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Fiat Chrysler Will Pay Tesla To Dodge Billions In Emissions Fines (theverge.com)

MDMurphy writes: While people have good and bad things to say about Tesla, one consistent thing has been that the cars emit zero emissions when operating. But in Europe, in exchange for cash, Tesla is merging its fleet with that of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA). The amount FCA is paying Tesla is presumably less than they would in fines if they were on their own. With this merging of the fleets, in Europe at least, a Tesla is no more clean than a diesel Fiat. "The Italian-American carmaker is behind on meeting the new standard, and the so-called open pool option available at the EU allows automakers to group their fleets together to meet the targets," reports Bloomberg. "Payments to Tesla, whose electric cars don't produce CO2 emissions, may amount to over 500 million euros, according to Jefferies."

Ars Technica reports on the strict new EU regulations: "From 2020, 95 percent of an automaker's new cars sold in the EU have to meet this target, with the remaining 5 percent falling under the law in 2021. And the penalties for failing are draconian: a $107 'excess emissions premium' per gram of CO2 over the target, for every single car registered in the EU that year. For some OEMs, this has the potential to be ruinous; if FCA's portfolio were the same in 2021 as it was in 2018, the automaker would have to pay some $3.12 billion, out of total net global profits of $4.1 billion."

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  1. Now you see the true power of the Tesla by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, with Tesla being the only automaker who can realistically deliver cars and charging stations for fleets around the globe needing to meet standards in this way, perhaps it starts to become clear just how incredibly valuable Tesla is becoming...

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    1. Re: Now you see the true power of the Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sure, the ridiculous regulations are keeping them in business with government interference in the marketplace instead of,them competing on their own merits.

      If the average car buyer was so concerned about CO2 emissions they would only buy electric or maybe hybrid. The fact that they,do not speaks volumes about what buyers want. So instead the government steps in, creates an artificial market in CO2 credits and hey guess what? The air has just as much new CO2 as before. Pollution levels unchanged but thank god some politicians got to virtue signal.

      If Tesla did not exist or the group pooling option didnt exist then we would see huge investment in electrics from all manufacturers. Instead we get wealth transfer to a dead company so a shitty poorly run polluting company can keep at it unchanged.

      Fucking ridiculous shit and you dumb asses applaud it and talk about short sellers while,the world burns.

    2. Re: Now you see the true power of the Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sometimes regulation is required if the market is making bad decisions for the safety of the public. Let me guess, you think the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act were terrible because if "the market" wanted clean air they would buy power from coal plants that voluntarily installed scrubbers? Or "the market" would move to places where industries were not dumping toxic shit into waterways?

      The EU decided they want less carbon output from transportation. And they adopted a market-based solution akin to cap and trade.

      So what is your problem again? FCA couldn't adopt to what the market desires - cleaner transport - so they are buying space from another company that creates zero emission vehicles.

      Don't be an idiot.

    3. Re: Now you see the true power of the Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Go eat some meat tainted with salmonella because it wasn't inspected by the FDA. Follow that with a side of botulism from improperly canned foods because they weren't inspected either.

      Then drive your Ford Pinto down the road and pray you don't get rear-ended because nobody recalled them for turning info fireballs.

      If you survive your day, you can go home to your asbestos-filled home (ignore that mild cough... it's surely nothing). Eat a nice dinner dinner with loads of FD&C #2 food coloring (not banned for causing cancer now, because regulations are bad). Wash it down with a Coca-Cola (now with more cocaine since those nasty regulations were eliminated).

      Take a shower in lead-tainted water. Put on your extremely flammable pajamas. Get your pregnant wife a glass of lead-tainted water to wash down the thalidomide she's taking to help with nausea.

      There's your unregulated paradise, bitch. Enjoy it.

    4. Re: Now you see the true power of the Tesla by Askmum · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1: the legislation in the EU is that the average pollution of the cars a car manufacturer sell can not be more than a certain level. In 2018 118,5 gram CO2 / km, in 2021 95 gram CO2 / km. I'm not going into a dicsussion if the law is ok or not, but it is a law. So the reduction will happen. This is all a matter of averages, a car manucaturer can still sell high-powered, high-polluting cars like a Lamborghini Aventador when they offset that pollution by selling eco-friendly cars like a e-up! (Lamborgini and VW belong to the same company, VAG).
      Since this is a matter of averages, the EU has allowed manufacturers to engage in pools to offset their pollution against a company that produces cars with less pollution. One example of this pool is Mazda and Toyota. Another is now FCA (Fiat/Chrysler), Alfa Romeo and Tesla. The alternative for FCA was either to pay hefty fines to the EU (going into the billions of euros) or stop selling those polluting cars alltogether (which in this case would be most likely Maseratis, Jeeps and Dodge RAMs). This way they can still sell those cars, pay less of a penalty, help a manufacturer that does do what the EU wants and have more money left to invest in their own portfolio to compy with legislation.

      2: In what way is Tesla not a succesful company.

      3: typical AC comment. You may not agree with the law (and I am no fan of the EU) but this is what it is.

  2. New ways for the poor to subsidize the rich. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    You pay more for your cheap Fiat so they can subsidize the far more expensive toys for their wealthier neighbors.
    Chumps. So the electricity pumps carbon into the sky far away instead of a tail pipe. NIMBY!
    Best of all the Tesla driver not only gets to look down their elite noses at those peasants and their ugly little cars, they can feel superior over them because they are diving eco-friendly vehicles - unlike those uncouth peasants that subsidies their lifestyles.

  3. Re:So what in the world was accomplished? by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " So what in the world was accomplished? "

    Two things actually:

    1) We got to see corporate lobbying in action. They effectively got themselves a loophole that would let them reduce their fines by 70% or whatever.

    2) Even so, an electric car company got a big cash infusion paid for by a big polluter; helping increase the competitiveness of Tesla at the expense of Fiat.

    It's effectively subsidizing electric car research, development and production, paid for by fiat ... which really means it's paid for by the people who chose to buy chryslers and fiats.

    It also seems like this, at least, is precisely the desired outcome.

  4. Re:The point is where it shifts by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 0, Insightful

    What is also true is a bunch of that money is in fact shifting to Tesla, a company that not that long ago it was claimed was not viable.

    I think most reasonable people would understand a "viable" business to be one that is able to sustain itself in an undistorted market. This is actually yet another data point in the opposite direction.

  5. Other parts of the world by DrYak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You do know traditional car makers are also making coal powered cars now, right?

    You know that not every body lives in China, India or Austalia, right?
    ( ^- the part of the world that have such a horrible mix of power sources for their electrical networks, that it doesn't make any difference if the car burns fossil fuels locally itself, or if power stations burn fossils centrally to charge the car's battery)

    In most of the rest of the world, even countries where part of the electrical grid is still powered by burning fossils (hello USA !), the electrically-powered cars are still offsetting some of the emissions.

    And now if you take into account countries which rely more on cold-climate hydro (hello, lots of parts here around in Europe), complement their source with solar and wind (ditto), or even nuclear (still a lot less polluting than coal, despite all its associated drawbacks - hello France), there are lots of countries where electric vehicles are a lot less pollutting.
    By some historical chance, these countries also happen to be more densely populated, meaning that even models with less range than Tesla's are actually useful.

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