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Scammers Are Buying Thousands Of Fake 5-Star Amazon Reviews -- on Facebook (thehustle.co)

Why are there so many five-star reviews for an iPhone charger on Amazon with a voltage irregularity that can cause permanent damage? "It's sad to imagine how many shoppers spotted this $13.99 charger pack on Amazon's first-page results and fell for the thousands of positive reviews and the algorithmically-generated endorsement from a platform that people trust more than religion," reports The Hustle.

A spot-check confirmed that "10 of the 22 first-page results on Amazon for 'iPhone charger' were products with thousands of 5-star reviews, all unverified and posted within a few days of each other," and they've now investigated "the underbelly of Amazon's fake-review economy" and "how such a product, peddled by a ragtag troupe of e-commerce scammers, managed to game one of the world's premier technology companies." The fake Amazon review economy is a thriving market, ripe with underground forums, "How To Game The Rankings!" tutorials, and websites with names like (now-defunct) "amazonverifiedreviews.com." But the favored hunting grounds for sellers on the prowl is Amazon's fellow tech behemoth, Facebook. In a recent two-week period, I identified more than 150 private Facebook groups where sellers openly exchange free products (and, in many cases, commissions) for 5-star reviews, sans disclosures. A sampling of 20 groups I analyzed collectively have more than 200,000 members. These groups seem to be in the midst of an online Gold Rush: Most are less than a year old, and in the past 30 days have attracted more than 50,000 new users... One stay-at-home mom from Kentucky told me she makes $200-300 per month leaving positive reviews for things like sleep masks, light bulbs, and AV cables...

Fake reviews have been an issue for Amazon since its inception, but the problem appears to have intensified in 2015, when Amazon.com began to court Chinese sellers. The decision has led to a flood of new products -- a 33% increase, by some accounts -- sold by hundreds of thousands of new sellers. Rooted in manufacturing hubs like Guangzhou and Shenzhen, they use Amazon's fulfillment program, FBA, to send large shipments of electronic goods directly to Amazon warehouses in the US. This rapid influx has spawned thousands of indistinguishable goods (chargers, cables, batteries, etc.). And it has prompted sellers to game the system. "It's a lot harder to sell on Amazon than it was 2 or 3 years ago," says Fahim Naim, an ex-Amazon manager who now runs an e-commerce consulting firm. "So a lot of sellers are trying to find shortcuts." Steve Lee, a Los Angeles-based vendor, is among them: "You have to play the game to sell now," he says. "And that game is cheating and breaking the law...."

The article points out that this is illegal. "Endorsements are required to be truthful," Mary Engel, Associate Director of the Federal Trade Commission's Division of Advertising Practices, tells the site. "If a reviewer has received something of value in exchange for their opinion, they need to clearly disclose that in the review." But instead, the review-watching site "ReviewMeta" analyzed 203 million Amazon reviews and found 11.3% (22.8 million) were untrustworthy -- while another site estimates the fake-review percentage is 30%. (Amazon's own estimate? "Less than 1%") ReviewMeta also spotted more than 2 million "unverified" reviews just in March of 2019 -- 99.6% of which were five-star. "They're almost all for these off-brand, cheap electronic products: Phone chargers, headphones, cables. Generic things that are super cheap to manufacture, have good margins, and get a ton of searches."

Though Amazon has sued over 1,000 fake-review sites to date, "Their way of handling it is reactive, not proactive," says the founder of ReviewMeta. "Amazon is a $900B company with thousands of brilliant engineers. I majored in construction management. It seems like they should be able to figure this one out."

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  1. One Purchase, One Review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is this so hard?

    1. Re: One Purchase, One Review by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Plenty of the blame is on Amazon. I have had reviews rejected because they pointed out that other reviews were obviously fake (a dozen 5-star reviews all one sentence long, and all with the the same grammatical mistake). So the real review is deleted and the dozen fakes stay up.

      If Gmail can detect 99% of spam, why can't Amazon detect obviously fake reviews?

    2. Re: One Purchase, One Review by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      They just buy it from themselves, eat Amazon's cut, and nothing ships.

      Currently, fake reviews cost the processing fee of one order, plus writing costs.

    3. Re: One Purchase, One Review by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      why can't Amazon detect obviously fake reviews?

      Because fake reviews are usually positive, five stars. It tends to make people purchase more (because most people don't know or care much about fake reviews).
      And I'd like to remind you that Amazon first objective is to sell, not to ensure reviews and comments are safely true.

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  2. You need to understand the reviews by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Books or goods, you need to actually read some reviews, ideally some good ones and some bad ones. Just looking at the rating gives you almost nothing.

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    1. Re:You need to understand the reviews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Books or goods, you need to actually read some reviews, ideally some good ones and some bad ones. Just looking at the rating gives you almost nothing.

      How often do you bother to read the reviews on a one-star product?

      Do you sort by worst reviews, or best?

      There aren't many 1-star products up there. Most of the stuff on Amazon is 4+ stars. A bad product will have a 3+ star review. To get something lower than that, the maker/seller of the product has to work at it.

      Why?

      People are too nice. I can't tell you how many times I've seen reviews that are this: "Just got it today! It came so fast! 5 stars!!" Or some people's standards are just low.

      I read the three star and lower reviews. Why? Because you'll find the people who used it. They'll pick apart all the flaws. And it's a great place to find out the longevity of a product. A lot of that Chinese made shit will work great for a few weeks or months and then crap out. Spending a few dollars more can get you a product that lasts.

      And lastly, I once knew an author's friend. When her buddie's book came out, she was telling everyone, "Go up and give positive reviews!"
      "Do I get a free copy of the book to review it?"
      "Nope. Just buy it."
      "Sorry, no."

      Or here's one, I hired a HVAC contractor months ago. They said if I signed this form stating I'd give them a reivrew on Yelp or Google, they'd send me a $5 gift card to Starbucks. So I signed it and didn't give a 5 star review and just stated the facts: I paid $98 for a sales pitch.

    2. Re: You need to understand the reviews by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      It's because in a world where people review each other (airbnb especially), it's not worth risking retaliation in order to leave a bad review. So you see 5 star reviews that say things like, "I especially enjoyed the mold in the bathtub, nice touch!"

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    3. Re:You need to understand the reviews by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Do you sort by worst reviews, or best?

      The best reviews to read are those giving two and three stars. They are usually written by reasonable people unhappy about the product for legitimate reasons.

      Ignore the five-stars. Those are often fake.

      Ignore the one-stars. Those are usually idiots in a rage because the package was lost or damaged.

    4. Re:You need to understand the reviews by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Pretty much matches my experience. However even the one-star ones can be interesting, for example, they can tell you that you need a specific skill or really read the manual in order to use the product right. Same for the 5 star ones. So what you do is you browse reviews until you have a picture of what the product actually is. If there is a lot of fake glowing reviews, that can tell you something all by itself.

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  3. Not unexpected by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's why I ignore most high reviews and carefully read bad reviews; people don't usually pay for those. If any of the bad reviews look like legitimate issues that I care about, I move on to the next choice.

    1. Re:Not unexpected by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am surprised at how many reviews there are for "just got the product, it looks great!" They've taken no time to try out the product, see if it works, see how durable it is, they're just in a big hurry to post a review and boost their ego, social media score, etc.

    2. Re: Not unexpected by Solandri · · Score: 2

      The economics still favor negative reviews being more likely to be genuine. Most products have dozens if not hundreds of competitors. Someone trying to hype up their product pays for one fake review, and gets one fake positive review impression per buyer. Someone trying to bring down their competitors' products needs to pay for dozens or hundreds of fake negative reviews to generate a single fake negative review impression per buyer.

      Also, if you actually read reviews (instead of just glancing at the scores), the negative reviews usually mention specific issues. You can judge for yourself whether they're something that won't affect you, or you can address on your own, or if they're likely to be fake based on other reviews or things you know. e.g. One negative flashlight review I read said it got too hot to touch when used with lithium batteries, when the manufacturer clearly stated in the product description that it was not designed to be used with lithium batteries.

    3. Re:Not unexpected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fake reviewers are not stupid and naive as you assume.

      It is not all 4/5-stars: they also write "false negative" reviews that have minor meaningless nits but are gushing nonetheless.

      It's pretty obvious when you see 1-star reviews that are still positive.

      There is a podcast I heard about this, where fake reviewers have to write a variety of N-star reviews, but they all are "positive" content. It's interesting the words they choose.

  4. Seller told me to take review down by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I bought an item from a Chinese seller on Amazon last year. The item was defective. Amazon quickly issued a refund. Then a few days later I got a email from the seller offering me another refund. I told him I already got a refund from Amazon. Then the seller curtly told me to take down the bad review.

    1. Re:Seller told me to take review down by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Does a defective item deserve a bad review though? If the product is inherently defective then maybe yes. But often things break in shipping and are no fault of the manufacturer. I'd say service is a more important factor here. But if people are in a rush to waste time giving a review (because they're angry?) the review won't be good. I'd rather know how long the product was used before the person gave a review.

      I try to avoid buying stuff online anyway, and the pointlessness of the reviews is part of the reason. If I can't hold and look at an item in person, and the online reviews are worthless, then I won't buy it online. I find better information about some products by going to the support site and see what questions are being asked.

      And on Amazon, the reviews are dumb and pointless. Why would someone waste their time reviewing pencils? So many reviews like that makes me think they're just feeding some egos or treating the review system as a game.

    2. Re:Seller told me to take review down by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      There's no chance to accumulate knowledge of defects unless as many as possible report the defects. If 75% are dying in shipment, then there's a reason not to buy it.

      A big game going on is to take returns, and having not tested an item at all, resell it as new. A HUGE secondary market for returns games the system because no one audits this. The vendors don't want to see products ever again, so out-they-go, UNMARKED as to their returned status. Only a few of them have the integrity to test returns, then either remanufacture/refurbish or destroy returned products. It's just not cost-efficient for them to devolve products or re-use parts. What happens? A low-ranking reseller puts them back onto the market, perhaps through a different distribution mechanism.

      So, like other answers here, READ THE BAD REVIEWS FIRST. Yes, some people are idiots and reject products for clearly insane reasons, but until we complain, no one knows.

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  5. I had sellers gang up on me in the past by Ecuador · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How I miss the good ol' days when most products were from Amazon so reviews were genuine and you could just trust them...
    Anyway, I was a top-500 reviewer on the UK site, mainly focusing on products I know a lot about, e.g. telescopes, as reviews on technical items by people who are clueless are dangerous (the worse telescope can get a 5* review if the user manages to sort of get a glimpse of the moon with it). At some point (a couple of years ago) I noticed there were some really suspicious looking binoculars as top sellers, including multiple listings of the same tiny "30x60 night vision" binoculars that were obviously neither 30x60 nor night vision, so I took it upon myself to get and review the 3 top ones - for one of them I even signed up to a "review club" that gave them to you for free in exchange of a review. They were actually worse than I expected (e.g. one 10x50 had the body of a 50mm binocular, but just 19mm effective aperture prisms!) - you can see a blog writeup here if you are curious - so I had to leave very detailed, technical, with picture proof, but scathing reviews. Since I was a top-500 user the reviews started from the first page, but then the disappeared. I was getting mass downvoted, so I dropped in reviewer rank and the reviews themselves were not visible in the first pages. A person contacted me through my blog and send me screenshots of facebook discussions with a seller who had a big FB group with people getting stuff for reviews, who was asking for all their groupies to downvote my reviews, calling me various names. A seller (the same or not, I don't remember) also wrote me and told me I was reported to Amazon for malicious slander and they wrote comments under my reviews that I was an unscrupulous competitor, owner of "Agena Astro". That last one is sort of funny, as Agena Astro is a huge and very respected US astronomical retailer which I, sadly, do not own :) (or have any relation to).
    Anyway, I contacted Amazon, sent them all that stuff including images of the whistleblower, they did jack. Not even restore my reviews or reviewer ranking, never mind punishing those organized sellers & reviewers. I mean Amazon has GREAT support if you are a customer in general (they have helped me even with badly behaving manufacturers - call me Samsung), but I was kind of appalled at how they did not care about this thing going on.

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    1. Re:I had sellers gang up on me in the past by rainer_d · · Score: 2

      Bad reviews don't sell stuff. Good review sell stuff.

      No wonder Amazon does jack shit about stuff like that.

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    2. Re:I had sellers gang up on me in the past by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2

      Buyers aren't the customer anymore at Amazon, they're the product. The customers are the billion state sanctioned frauds operating out of China.

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  6. Not as easy as it sounds by AlejandroTejadaC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    After reading this article, I visited Amazon, signed in with my own account and tried to left a review for an article that I bought in a local store. SURPRISE! Amazon do not let me write a review for an article that I own and use everyday. How it's possible that thousands of people could left fake reviews without being spotted and stopped by Amazon, in the same way that they stopped me today from writing a review?