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Privately-Funded Moon Mission Will Try Again. 'Lunar Library' May Be On The Moon (space.com)

NASA administrator Jim Bridenstine has congratulated the team which sent the first privately-funded mission into lunar orbit -- even though it crashed into the surface of the moon. Its final photo was taken Thursday just 7.5 kilometers above the surface of the moon.

But Space.com reports that's not the end of the story: On Saturday Morris Kahn, the billionaire businessman, pilanthropist and SpaceIL president, confirmed that the SpaceIL team is meeting this weekend to begin planning the Beresheet 2.0 mission. "In light of all the support I've got from all over the world, and the wonderful messages of support and encouragement and excitement, I've decided that we're going to actually build a new halalit -- a new spacecraft," Kahn said in a video statement posted on Twitter by SpaceIL. "We're going to put it on the moon, and we're going to complete the mission."

The team behind Beresheet knew all along that the mission's design included risks. In order to keep the spacecraft small enough to piggyback with another spacecraft on a Falcon 9 rocket, the engineering team had to design the craft without any backup systems. Nevertheless, before its ultimate failure, the spacecraft withstood multiple glitches while in Earth orbit and during the early stages of landing.... NASA knows as well as anyone just how difficult spaceflight can be. The moon's surface is littered with dozens of expired spacecraft, and although many ended their missions smoothly, several made unplanned crash landings, including NASA's own Surveyor 2 and 4 missions during the 1960s.

Somewhere in the spacecraft's wreckage are 25 data disks backing up crucial human knowledge that were meant to last one billion years. The group behind the disk notes that "airplane black boxes survive stronger impacts, and our disc is less breakable... It was probably thrown a few kilometers away -- a 30 million page frisbee on the moon."

They're now assembling a team of crash experts, engineers, "and even a treasure hunter or two... to figure out what might remain, and then track it down." Their preliminary response from several experts: their Lunar Library "is definitely on the Moon, and it is also likely to be intact...."

"We have either installed the first library on the moon, or we installed the first archaeological ruins of early human attempts to build a library on the moon..."

37 comments

  1. Would using the Rust programming language help wit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Space is one of the harshest and most demanding environments to write software for. Reliability becomes a very real concern.

    Would using a modern programming language like Rust help ensure that the reliability of these space vehicles and space devices is maximized?

    For those who don't know about it, because it is pretty cutting edge tech, Rust is a new programming language that is 'Empowering everyone to build reliable and efficient software.'

  2. Just keep your fucking kitschy trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    off my fucking moon.

    1. Re: Just keep your fucking kitschy trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes keep it far far away ... In mice

  3. Privately funded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Too embarrassed to continue talking about Israel's Moon lander and Israeli Moon project, they switch to privately funded as the term du jour.

    1. Re: Privately funded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought everyone knew that bears sheet in the woods, not on the Moon. Live and learn... AE911Truth Org

    2. Re:Privately funded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oi vey. shut it down!

  4. Danger of taking selfie while driving by jordan314 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Spacecraft takes selfie while driving, crashes into moon

    1. Re:Danger of taking selfie while driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last hardware state recorded by the lander was STATE_DEEP.

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  6. clues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wonder if they'll figure out we became extinct through religious supported overpopulation.

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  8. no backup systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what is this amateur hour

    1. Re:no backup systems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they explicitly said so when they were at first saying "privately funded" but not while it was "Israel's"; now it's amateur again.

  9. Any population needed badly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The future belongs to those that show up, not those that choose to take no part in the future through offspring.

    If only religious people are having babies anymore (which they are) the future is highly religious all over the world, and over-population is no longer the problem - all major nations are facing a crisis of birth rates below the replacement rate.

    1. Re:Any population needed badly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All religions do eugenics on their adherents to breed supporters of the administration. This results in a subhuman breed which is unfit for the real environment of nature. All religions go extinct because of this.

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  11. Re: APK Hosts File Engine 3.0++ for Linux/BSD... a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  12. Hmmm .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have either installed the first library on the moon, or we installed the first archaeological ruins of early human attempts to build a library on the moon...

    You know, sometimes I wonder just how many planets and moons throughout the universe are scattered with the remains of civilizations which almost made it and then got wiped out, or wiped themselves out.

    Throw away our silly belief we're the only planet which has ever evolved sentient life, and I'm betting there's simply a vast amount of dead civilizations out there.

    We ain't that special, and life is just a chemical reaction from common elements. Other species have surely fucked up the odd landing on other planets in their solar system.

  13. Credit where credit is due by Doctor+Device · · Score: 2

    "We have either installed the first library on the moon, or we installed the first archaeological ruins of early human attempts to build a library on the moon..."

    having a sense of humor about your failures bodes well for future successes, I feel.

    --
    -It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
  14. Re: Would using the Rust programming language help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol?

  15. microscope by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

    So, all you need to retrieve the data is a simple optical microscope and an advanced space program.

    1. Re:microscope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. And realistically the tech side of knowledge these disks contain may not be all that important. Although there is no reason why one can't get to the moon with (for example) medical knowledge not being as advanced, or... math, or physics.

      But the *history*, and pictures of the Earth as it is now, discussions of species in the wild, copies of languages spoken, of peoples and their culture. If we have a "fall", sometimes such falls come with "great purges", book burnings, shunning knowledge, censorship of the past, on and on.

      The history, the snapshot of us as we are now, the pictures and videos.. those would indeed be interesting to some future civilization.

    2. Re:microscope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, all you need to retrieve the data is a simple optical microscope and an advanced space program.

      50 years from now all you may need is a Space Uber.

  16. So far the moon has... by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 2

    A flag, 4 robots, a frisbee/library and 20 bags of poo. Am I missing anything?

    1. Re:So far the moon has... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2

      Three very neat electric cars.

    2. Re:So far the moon has... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A flag, 4 robots, a frisbee/library and 20 bags of poo. Am I missing anything?

      Yes...

      An alien city...
      Alien spacecrafts...
      A face...
      Various Alien civiliazations...
      Pie...
      Cheese..

      its actually quite crowded up there

  17. Why did the landing engine fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This mission cost millions of dollars (I'm afraid I don't know the actual cost off the top of my head), yet was completely ruined by the landing engine failing to fire, or to provide sufficient power to land the lander properly. How ridiculous is that?
    For the want of a nail, a shoe was lost.
    For the want of a shoe, a horse was lost.
    For the want of a horse, the battle was lost.

    Has any explanation been given as to why or how the engine failed?

    Why wasn't the lander transmitting live video, which would have been really helpful, to possibly find out why the engine failed?

    1. Re:Why did the landing engine fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I've heard the engine wasn't the problem. The IMU (Inertial Measurement Unit) had some kind of failure at a critical point in the landing procedure and by the time they got it back up and running (slowed by communications issues) they had gone past the point of no return. To be fair IMU failures have killed A LOT of spacecraft (Ariane 5, Proton M, etc).

    2. Re: Why did the landing engine fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The control system failed. The engine itself was fine. It is a quite 'simple'(as far as that goes in space travel) thruster so there is not a lot that can go wrong with it. They managed to reboot the control system with it's imu and it started performing the soft landing, but the speed was too high and it could not slow down enough for a soft touchdown.

      Still, the mission cost only around 100M$. For this you can't expect the absolute reliability of much more expensive space missions (that also sometimes fail). In my country they just spent 200M$ on a failed public transportation ticket app. And this app was a complete failure, with nothing delivered.

  18. Re: Would using the Rust programming language help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is literally the worst shitpost i have ever seen

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  20. Re: APK Hosts File Engine 3.0++ for Linux/BSD... a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  21. Good luck reading it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Can you read a thirty year old floppy? Without a drive? Could you decode a .zip file without the spec? or a .jpg?
    It's hard enough reading the Domesday book, and that's written in our alphabet only a thousand years ago.

  22. $100m by coofercat · · Score: 1

    Apparently It "only" costed $100m, and they're getting a bit of honorary money from the lunar X prize. It feels like they could almost crowd-fund a second go at it.

    1. Re: $100m by santa2 · · Score: 1

      having a sense of humor about your failures bodes well for future successes, I feel. https://audacity.onl/ https://findmyiphone.onl/ https://origin.onl/

  23. Re:APK Hosts File Engine 3.0++ for Linux/BSD... ap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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