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InterNIC to face competition.
Andrew Dvorak writes "This article on News.com states that five companies (both in the US and outside the US) will be designated to manage internet domains along with InterNIC. This will apparently end the InterNIC's oligopoly."
I can see the fights ensuing now for 'prime' internet names.
means sharing power between a limited number of companies. Internic was a _monopoly_.
The new arrangement will be an oligopoly, unless there is some free-enterprise mechanism for upstart competitors to displace the status quo.
Any dispute policy would be better than Internic's current policy of puting domain names "on hold" the moment a dispute arises. But even Internic doesn't always follow its own policy. Just imagine, if I told Internic that I trademarked "Microsoft" in 1971 and wanted "microsoft.com", would they really put microsoft.com on hold until the dispute is settled? Heck no. Internic only stomps on the little guy. And when they're gone, I'll shed no tears. Good riddance.
I fully agree. I thought the same thing when I saw it. Not that there is anything wrong with it.
Oh, goody, I can have my domain names slammed just like my long distance service. Who am I registered with today? Do I get to know before I get the bill?
Every sales doink will be contacting me about the advantages of _their_ registration service. Another reason to turn off the telephone during dinner hour. What to do about the spam?
Yes. At least I can see the sanity of only seeing hot-wild-sex.com and teenfuck.com instead of teenfuck.xxx, teenfuck.wild, teenfuck.crazy teenfuck.pedophiles, teenfuck.scientology, etc. Please don't break DNS any more than it is.
I can't stand NSI. They take too long to process requests, they *lost* my PGP key, which is putting me through a lot of crap to get control of my records back. When you talk to someone who works there they are NOT helpful at all. One person I talked to (and had to wait a long time on hold, long distance to get) didn't even know what PGP is, and told me she couldn't help. It's crap. I'm going with someone else. I'm willing to pay MORE to go with someone else that will give me proper service.
Joe Applegrower should simply register applegrower.com as his domian. And if his name was Joe Apple, then why not joe-apple.com, or joeapple.com, or ja.com, or a thousand other combinations.
This is all old news. Internic stated a while ago about the change. They were contracted by the government to develope a way to have many companies run the top level domains. Also, there will be 5 new top levels. This can be found at internic's site, http://rs.internic.net
Your (.tm) idea (besides already clashing with Turkmenistan) still fails to solve the problem of "two companies, different businesses, same name". There has to be a free-for-all buffer zone and the TLD seems the best place to put it.
Not a single time have I ever seen NSI actually do a change right the first time. It's like dealing with a bunch of trained monkeys. I dread having to deal with them, because it always requires fighting with them to get them to do what I'm paying them too much money for.
I think you're going to be really hard pressed to find people who are not large ISPs that have good feelings towards NSI.
They're still arguing about who has the authority to add new names to the root.
Let me see my Domain takes less than 10K worth of server space in the database, at $35.00 per year that is a cost of .35 cents per byte. Good grief.. talk about ripping people blind, and stuffing the bill directly up someones rear. they claim administrative costs, I claim that the administration doenst need another Fararri. They claim that it costs money to maintain the database, I ask exactly how many man hours does it take to supervise a gob of perl scripts?
I'd gladly pay the overpriced $10.00 per domain per year, that's a 5 dollar profit per domain per year times 20 gagillion addresses. Only problem I see this "breaking up of NSI to cause fees to go up. or cause DNS to become a huge mess.
>Sorting server domains by content reminds me
>of what Intel's little plan is... to have
>"internet commerce security" sort people by CPU.
I don't think it's quite the same context.
Sorting people and content are two entirely
separate issues.
>Plus, what's to prevent someone from registering
>whitehouse.com and putting some sort of "adult"
>content on it?
Why not? People can do that now and it's a mess.
>Will NIC's be put in charge of censoring servers?
By the way, it wouldn't be censorship. It
would be a ratings service, similar to Hollywood's
MPAA system. Censorship would be the act of
making the material impossible to view.
-Anonymous Newbie Coward
Various people have tried to set up systems or rules for adding new top-level domains, and most of them have had problems coming up with any kind of reasonable set of rules and finding people to run the thing and so on. But the plan du jour is TINC. Seems to work well operationally speaking (I have my name servers using them for the root), but of course the policy is the hard part.
Another horror story:
When I tried to registered my first domain, I ran into a brick wall because I could not find _anywhere_ on the page that listed all the necessary steps. I ended up learning what to do from the numerous error messages. So, after I thought I did everything right, I waited. and waited. And waited some more. *a little fuzzy here* at some point, nothing had happened by the time it said something would happen, so I mailed a furious letter. And then I tried to call, I waited on hold long distance at an off-peak time for 20 minutes! I called the next day and waited 10 minutes and decided that phone support was useless. Shortly afterward, I had registered another name (and did everything right the first time) and it had gotten active before I even got a status reply for the first one. Shortly afterward, an internic humanoid mailed me and said that there was a problem with the name servers I specified (she had to tell me, the sh*t automated system apparently didn't have a clue), and that she had fixed it so that it pointed to the ones I had made with my secondly registered name. They ARE a monopoly and I want a piece of whatever class action lawsuit they deserve.
So you're saying it will cost more money. The $35/year NSI tax for the domain plus a fee to the registrar itself.. if NSI is one of the registrars I'm sure they will cut you a deal and register your domain for much less than the closest competitor registrar can right? ;-)
You can always register your domain with Tonga's Tonic domain registration services, even though it is very expensive. Having a .to extension could be kind of cool.
I like the idea described above, and it would have some possible positive aspects for both individual industries (.farm, .steel, or .auto), and for non commercial users if the extra top level domains helped keep banners and other pollution to a minimum on non commercial sites.
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Mike List
Competition in this area is a good idea. If there can be unlimited TLD's, there would also be more flexibility in what they could do. For example, if I owned the .web TLD, I could say "Sites registered with .web are not allowed to have adult-oriented content. If you have a web site that has no adult content and would like to ensure that your site won't be rejected by monitoring software, get a .web domain."
.xxx, I could say "All monitoring software will block your .xxx domain, so if you have an adult-oriented site, you don't need to worry about it being seen by minors"
Or vice versa, If I owned
etc, etc etc.
Why does the DNS need a solution? What's broken about it? More people want names? More people want stocks too...they just have to buy them from the people who already own them!
Maybe I just feel this way because I've always been both clever enough and quick enough to get the names I've wanted (five times).
I *hate* those bastards at NSI. I will pay a premium to *anyone* else just so I know that my money is not going to those people.
This grows out of having (successfully) fought a domain-name claim brought on bogus grounds of trademark infringement (thank you, NSI, for setting up a policy so spineless as to give trademark holders special rights they don't enjoy under the actual law). It also grows out of my annoyance at paying $50 (now $35, thanks to a class acction suit successfully challenging the "infrastructure" fee as a non-approved tax) each year for each of the 20 domain names I administer just so they can maintain a record in a database. Finally, it grows out of the incredible aggravation I experience every time I have to deal with an actual human being (term used loosely) who works for NSI. "We're NSI. We don't care. We don't have to."
Prime selling points for me in choosing a new registrar:
* Will they assert that they will not transfer or otherwise screw with my use of the domain unless an appropriate legal entity (like a court) finds that there actually *is* some possibility that some bozo with a similar trademark has a valid claim?
* Will they charge a reasonable fee (like, a buck, maybe) to maintain a single record in a database for a year?
This has been a *long* time coming.
Yeah, I type too fast.. lesson is: think before you type!
:)
I mean it will end the InterNIC's monopoly and thus create an oligopoly!
Sorry
Andrew Dvorak
Your proposed solution will do everything you say, but I fear that doing so will make the namespace as cloudy as the "alt.*" news hierarchy is today.
There is some inherent value associated with order, that you lose when you opt for chaos.
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In a word, yes.
The AC that previously replied to you hit the nail on the head, but I will add that I do think we should have more topical (as opposed to geographical) TLD's than we have now... I.E., ".xxx" for smut, ".nom" for personal homepages, ad nauseum. And as a policy, owners of Trademarks should only be allowed to protect their tradmarks under commercial domains. I think this is a better option than a free-for-all on TLD's.
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I wonder if the guy who reported this is somehow related to John Dvorak of ZD?
Technically, I don't believe you're supposed to have names with a leading numeral. (3com.com would seem to be an exception.) Or maybe it's just you're not allowed to have names that are _all_ numerals... The existing RFCs already address this problem, anyway.
Hmmm... I like this idea. I have name servers... maybe I'll try to implement it.
;) could still reference them as domain.top.tld.ci-n.com... a little unwieldy, but it'd work...
I could probably set things up so that anyone who was using my name servers could access the domains by their real names - domain.top, or whatever... and those peons who didn't see the light
Of course, if it caught on, my name servers (and my poor 33.6 line) would be swamped in short order... would have to figure out some way to distribute the load...
Posted by DonR:
IPv6 won't change anything relevant to domain name regisration, with the possible exception of NSI/whoever not being ready for IPv6 nameservers in their database.
Posted by DonR:
The worst part about this monopoly is not that Internic has complete control over the common tlds, but that they can affoard to be lazy. I have not been able to register domain names for the last two weeks (I do domain registration for a large ISP. I have about 200 domains pending) because Internic is broken. Their mail servers are lagged, taking at least 36hrs for a automatic reply, and I have not been able to get them to pick up their phones for the last two weeks. This is seriously impacting my work. It'd be one thing if Internic came out and said "Yes, we're broken", but instead we have to rely on services such as news.com to confirm our suspicisions. And explaining the whole mess to irate customers who are losing money because they don't have a domain name isn't all that much fun either.
This wouldn't be the first time that the Internet opted to govern itself rather than let the government/for-profit corporations do it.
I wonder how much backing this would get by the big-wig universities and backbone providers...? How hard would it be to utilize a "public" domain service like this?
This is a really good idea.
Create new TLD for each country just for owners of trademarks or registered companies/organizations. The TM office in each country will be responsible for letting owners use domains called after their registered TMs, or reasonables short forms... We'll have names such as microsoft.corp.us-tm and windows98.os.tm (once we decide what constitutes an international trademark).
Attaching the domain names to TMs will ensure their uniqueness, will make the TM TLDs more prestigious than others, and leave the rest of the TLDs free for poorer, less commercial or less organized, who don't make such a fuss about owenership of TLDs anyhow.
I'm all for it!
Is it just me, or does news.com's intrusive "Do you want to know more" links in the middle of the article seem strangely reminicent of the ones in the media clips in Starship Troopers? Just a thought...
I have an idea. How about if our wonderful little Open Source community creates a free domain service. I personally do *NOT* want to see domain names in the hands of five companies each trying to squeeze as much capital out of people as possible. Domain names are NOT "real estate" like news.com so stupid stated, they're just a damned alias for an ip# and directory. I see no problem with the Open Source community setting up a domain database. Fsck, if it divided the internet into the Microsoft and Open Source internet because of it, I would be happy. I'm tired of dealing with ignods all day who have no clue what so ever what the hell this network is made of, and how it's structured. They just try to pull every particle of gold dust out of it and leave it to rot. Fscking M$hit, I should write an article. I'd like to see domain handling in the hands of a more open party who would be willing to impliment the proposed top level domains, or do something totaly different. I'm just babbling on, so let me state this: I hate the idea and all the problems that WILL come up if domain registration gets into the hands of these companies.
I'm as mimsy as the next borogove but your mome raths are completely outgrabe.
It seems like I've been hearing about new domain restries for years now. What ever happened to all of these .WEB, .ART, .XXX, .whatever top-level that have been talked about so many times before?
i read something about this befor, but not taking place till 2005. if it happens sooner all the better, cause internic still hasnt registered my domain, been almost a mounth. im about to go to some one else that internic lisens to and have my domain registered that way :(. Hopefuly with this, everthing will change, to next day turnaround, it should be, the computers should process correctly filled out forms, and only incorrectly filled out ones should be reviewed by a human to make out wtf the person ment to put :).
oh whell, wont be soon enuf for me.
-magister-
..anybody can explain whether it will make any difference?
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How are they planning to coordinate these five companies?
Sounds like they'll still need one central server...
Yeah, but your "solution" would break the distinction between IPs and domain names, which is only enforced by -- you guessed it -- the registrar. If I had an IP address 123.69.42.37, under your scheme, I could register "123.69.42.38" as a domain name for it, and no TCP/IP program would know better...
Sorting server domains by content reminds me of what Intel's little plan is... to have "internet commerce security" sort people by CPU.
Now, I am aware of virtual domains... but not everyone wants to waste money on registering 4 or 5 different domains just because their server will host 4 or 5 different internet pages/services.
Plus, what's to prevent someone from registering whitehouse.com and putting some sort of "adult" content on it? Will NIC's be put in charge of censoring servers?
it's good to see at least a few people avoid zdnet here at /.
The first time I noticed that "Do you want to know more..." I started laughing out loud, because I had seen Starship Troopers pretty recently.
This was the subject of a New York Times article on January 22, which I submitted here at that time.
NSI is doing everything in their power to keep control while having what is in effect mock competition. This is the same position the RBOCs took when the Telecom Act passed two years ago. Remember "colocation"? Hahahahahahah.
This is a significant test of ICANN's ability to develop and maintain an equitable system. They *have* to deal with NSI firmly now, or they will lose their grip. Whether we like it or not, domain names have become a commodity as well as an operational issue for the net. This puts ICANN in the position of being a mini-SEC.
So, in this first round, look carefully at the details, because that is where NSI will exercise its influence.
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Bill Gates Is My Evil Twin.
"Monopoly" means the ability to prices and availability through market power. "Oligopoly" means the ability to do so in conjunction with only a few other competitors. What we have now is government-sanctioned monopoly. What we want is competition. What NSI probably wants is oligopoly.
Certainly their recent moves to buddy up with Netscape, Yahoo and American Express show they are moving to consolidate their "branding" leadership on domain name registration.
I don't trust them much at all. Their service record is abysmal. I've only registered a couple of domains and they managed to mess them up. Their bills always arrive promptly, of course.
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Bill Gates Is My Evil Twin.
Oligopoly is a valid word, thus defeating any spell checker. Unfortunately there is not yet (nor will there ever likely be) a context/meaning checker.
... Then the hot prize would be the 'no extension' domains... http://microsoft/ http://computers/ http://software/ etc.
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... Then the hot prize would be the 'no extension' domains... http://microsoft/ http://computers/ http://software/ etc.
It's been long overdue that the InterNIC get some help. I dont see this as bad but as good. As in the past it has taken days and sometimes weeks to change info on any of the 50 domains handled here. Always met with nothing but hassles and excuses the InterNIC needs some help.
Dont see this as a bad thing...see it as a good thing.
They should implement a domain vote system whereby current domain owners can vote for top level additions.
.web and .xxx would get added, and it would make it that much easier to filter out the unwanted spam.
Say if 1024 unique sub-domains get reserved (one per nic) for a tld inside a set period of time, they should add the tld.
things like
Your idea of opneing every possible TLD will not fly. The trademark industry is a huge hurdle in all this as they feel there should be LESS TLDs so there are less trademarks to protect and acquire...
That might work, but what if Joe Applegrower got apple.com before Apple Computers did? I highly doubt Apple would stand for not having that prime domain and thus a lawsuit would be filed
Granted, the new arrangement will just be 4-5 more huge corporations that don't care, but I am still very glad to see it taken out of their hands. They are truly a monolithic piece of shit.