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ryuzaki0
on from the stuff-to-read dept.
Sircus writes "The BBC have now joined USA Today in having a story on Winbloze refund day. Best quote - 'Linux users are mostly anti-Windows'. Mostly? Find more at
this page "
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Yes, _mostly_
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Anonymous Coward
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Believe it or not, not everyone who loves Linux and uses it is a frickin' Linux Nazi.
And more importantly, although I use Linux as my Primary, I still wouldn't wish it on the masses. Windows and the MacOS were made for those folks. That's one of the reaons why I like sites like this: they don't pontificate 24/7.
Not that Rob does, but these message boards are too stuffed with bloated jerks.
ciao
Please no more Refund day posts!
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Anonymous Coward
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Bored...
Linux users are most anti-Windows
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Anonymous Coward
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Actually, the bbc article quote says "Linux users are most anti-Windows." This is Brittish for "Linux users are way anti-Windows." Knew that year in England would pay off eventually...
Rob not everyone Hate microsoft or windows
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Anonymous Coward
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I dont useally deal with either, I dont like windows so i dont use microsoft products. I dont have any sort of hatetred of bill gates, ect....
Not just Linux
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Anonymous Coward
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Of course, the issue isn't a Linux issue -- it's a Windows issue. Yet the press, and the protest organizers, seem to have done their best to characterize the protests as having to do with Linux alone. This actually hurts the effort, since it's perceived as having been spawned by a bunch of weirdos who use a strange, unfathomable OS. But for some reason, many of the organizers -- especially the ones in the Bay Area -- fail to see any benefit in involving users of alternative COMMERCIAL OSes. It's a shame.
I'm working in LA, and am about to venture out to try and find the event in Irvine, CA. We'll see if there are any users of Be, NetWare, etc. there.
--Brett Glass
the BBC
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Anonymous Coward
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Not impressed at all with PBS? Newshour? Frontline?
-- Jason Eric Pierce
Linux users are most anti-Windows
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Anonymous Coward
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Sounds more like Bill and Ted than English slang.
Linux is for people who hate microsoft, FreeBSD is
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Anonymous Coward
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...for people who love Unix
Linux is for people who hate microsoft, FreeBSD is
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Anonymous Coward
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That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Do you really believe that people will switch to another OS just because they don't like the company? People who switch from Windows to Linux do so because they want to do better. They want more versatility, more configurability, more power. You think my mostly PC-illiterate family is going to want to learn Linux just because Word crashes every 10 minutes? I hear my uncle call Bill Gates every name in the book, but he has yet to ask me to come over and install Red Hat for him.
When are we get some updates?
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Anonymous Coward
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So where are the wirelessly connected wearable computer folks with cameras when you need them?
Not mostly I'd say, just quiet
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Anonymous Coward
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As with anything, the bulk of watchers, and users, are mostly the silent multitude.
I think a lot of people using Linux are probably like me. I'm not a voice in the linux community, I lose linux some at work and to dink around in at home. Mostly at home though I use win 95 or nt 4. I use them because they are very easy, some applications or games I use/play don't work under linux. Setting up games that do work under linux is a pain in the ass. Just getting sound to work for your soundcard under linux is a pain. You have to do things in it which you simply should not have to do.
Im not anti microsoft or anti a particular OS. I use what works. Sure, in a perfect world your OS would be free like linux, set it self up for all your hardware automatically and be easy to use like win95, robust and crash free like linux, and all commercial programs and games would mainly be made for that OS. But that is not the way things are so i use both (or all three, blah etc)
Dave
you're misinterpreting "most" in this context
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Anonymous Coward
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This is a British idiom--translate it as "Linux users are extremely anti-Windows."
Linux is for people who hate microsoft, FreeBSD is
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Anonymous Coward
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First off the Denile of service statement gives linux a bad name. Your saying alot of people install linux to "hack", as the modern media defines it. First off there are tons of D.O.S proggies for Windows. Secondly the area linux is growing by leaps and bounds is in server market shares. Which has nothing to do with looking kewl it has to do with saving hard earned cash and better performance. Mirc scripts are alot more common and "cooler" in irc channels then Bitch-X. I joinded the linux movement because it was a better/cheaper platform not cooler.
Stetson
Yes, _mostly_
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Anonymous Coward
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I've got to say that i believe that there is no one superior OS. I'd use linux if i could have all the software i need for it, but the fact is, there isn't and there probably won't be a Photoshop port to linux for a long time. And before you reply, no, the gimp is not as good as photoshop. It has good functions, and good power, but the interface isn't great and it's no PS. Hell, I should be on a Mac to use Photoshop to its best abilities. On the OS note, Bill Gates isn't evil - he is merely maximizing his lead by any means available. I can't say that if I was in his position I would not do some of the same things. I doubt any of you could, either. Regardless of how badly his operating system works *some* of the time, it is user friendly, it is what the plebian masses are used to, and he's a very smart man - albeit a ruthless one. Would the "linux nazis" here posit a future in which linux has taken Bill Gate's place as the new OS nazi? Who's to say he wouldn't squash a new OS coming out because it was better, eh? Anyway, that's just my two bits.
Heh.. On one hand, it's good that today is President's Day.. Try to get a few Presidents in your pocket (a.k.a. Dollars, if you're confused)
Unfortunately, many news organizations are in hibernation mode today. It's supposed to be a holiday (although I have school, pleh..), so we won't see much coverage until tomorrow.. Oh well.
It makes me irate that Microsoft has said that they would not help people get their money back. I'm pretty glad that I'm not going to one of their offices to try and get money back (heh.. I don't qualify -- always built my own systems..) I'd probably get really @#$%ing angry and start yelling and screaming or something.
Anyway, I guess I'll just have to keep my eyes open for a stray news report here or there..
Today is the perfect day to do this!!!
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Mike+Hicks
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Heh.. I hope you're right!
EULA clearly says it's the OEM's responsibility
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Mike+Hicks
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Yes, that's true. However, I believe that the people that are going to MS for refunds are doing so because they can't get anywhere with the OEMs..
Maybe, just maybe, MS will listen to these people, take their names and the vendors that sold the computers, then communicate with the vendors about refunding them, who will in turn refund the consumers. It's unlikely, but that's probably the only way that people will get their money back..
I certainly hope that MS will help organize a way for consumers to return Windows and get a refund (e.g. set up a channel for MS to communicate with OEMs to handle this), but I definitely have doubts.
I just got back from the Foster City, Calif. site. I'd guess there we're about 100 people all told.
By the time I arrived, the press conference on the 4th floor of the attached parking structure was breaking up. Folks were being herded down to the front entrance, where we gathered across the street. It seemed like there was a fair amount of press. I saw local CBS and ABC affiliates, and many, many more folks taking pictures. There was one police car parked outside the building entrance, and another skulking up in the parking structure, with lots of building security milling about.
Most folks were wearing VAResearch t-shirts, with some Free-BSD, MKLinux and me in my BeOS shirt (which drew some mild jeers;). Lots of protest signs, and both plastic and stuffed Tuxs' were in prominent display.
Bottom line? No one appeared to be walking out with a refund check. Imagine that. A Microsoft "official" referred potential refundees to hie thee back to the OEM to honor the EULA.
Back to square one? Who knows...
I want to die peacefully in my sleep as my grandfather did...
Yeah, but no one on Slashdot actually listens to Katz's drivel. Given the reaction every time he posts something, I'm not sure why Rob keeps him around...
WINE is not for 3D games
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Trepidity
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Umm, no it doesn't. Half-life looks like crap (if you can even get it to run at all) without hardware 3D acceleration. Until WINE can support some hardware acceleration in the games it's running, it won't be able to run 3D games playably.
...but these message boards are too stuffed with bloated jerks.
I'm a jerk, yes, but I'm usually described as "wiry":)
As far as OSes, Linux is my primary OS as well, but there's tons of good ones. All I ask for is a more level playing field out there, fair play and more adherence to open standards; I want to see the curbing of the excesses of one particular OS vendor (I'll give ya 98 guesses, or even 5.0^H^H^H2000, if ya want). If this makes me a "Linux Nazi" (ooh, yer a millimeter away from playin' the H Card, ain't ya?), so be it. The "M$ SUX" people may be the loudest on/., but they're probably a very small 3L337 minority.
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=8^
EULA clearly says it's the OEM's responsibility
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timur
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Unless you purchased a shrink-wrapped copy of Windows from a reseller like CompUSA (i.e. a copy WITHOUT a computer), MS has no involvement in the refund. The EULA clearly says to contact the OEM for a refund. Once you get a refund from the OEM, what goes one between that OEM and MS is anyone's guess. Based on the reluctance of OEM's to provide refunds, my guess is that the OEM's won't be able to get a refund from MS. In other words, the OEM is eating the cost.
-- Timur "too sexy for my code" Tabi, timur@tabi.org, http://www.tabi.org
It's good to see that the BBC is not completely clueless and oblivious to everything's that's going on in the world, even if the have to steal other agencies' news.
Well, maybe one day I'll save up and buy an TV, and get a TV licence after all...
-- I'm out of my tree just now but please feel free to leave a banana.
That's one of the reaons why I like sites like this: they don't pontificate 24/7 erm, I read ars technica, and there is definitely as much pontification from them as anywhere else. Actually, maybe more because, as far as I can tell, they are taken in by "market speak" more often then the average/. article. They also are quite irrational about Macs.
-- When in danger or in doubt, run in circles scream and shout.
When are we get some updates?
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daviddennis
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I'm about to leave for Irvine with my MiniDV camcorder - I'll have some pictures up when the event's over and I've had a bite to eat down there, probably around 4-5 PST.
Note that most of the action is on the West Coast - it's only 10:41 here, and the Irvine event is for noon.
D
When are we get some updates?
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smallworld1
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It's almost 1:30 or 10:30 pst. When are we going to get some updates about how the refund demonstration has gone. I'm in Michigan so I'm not anywhere near a protest site.
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Believe it or not, not everyone who loves Linux and uses it is a frickin' Linux Nazi.
And more importantly, although I use Linux as my Primary, I still wouldn't wish it on the masses. Windows and the MacOS were made for those folks. That's one of the reaons why I like sites like this: they don't pontificate 24/7.
Not that Rob does, but these message boards are too stuffed with bloated jerks.
ciao
Bored...
Actually, the bbc article quote says "Linux users are most anti-Windows." This is Brittish for "Linux users are way anti-Windows." Knew that year in England would pay off eventually...
I dont useally deal with either, I dont like windows so i dont use microsoft products. I dont have any sort of hatetred of bill gates, ect....
Of course, the issue isn't a Linux issue -- it's a Windows issue. Yet the press, and the protest organizers, seem to have done their best to characterize the protests as having to do with Linux alone. This actually hurts the effort, since it's perceived as having been spawned by a bunch of weirdos who use a strange, unfathomable OS. But for some reason, many of the organizers -- especially the ones in the Bay Area -- fail to see any benefit in involving users of alternative COMMERCIAL OSes. It's a shame.
I'm working in LA, and am about to venture out to try and find the event in Irvine, CA. We'll see if there are any users of Be, NetWare, etc. there.
--Brett Glass
Not impressed at all with PBS? Newshour? Frontline?
--
Jason Eric Pierce
Sounds more like Bill and Ted than English slang.
...for people who love Unix
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Do you really believe that people will switch to another OS just because they don't like the company? People who switch from Windows to Linux do so because they want to do better. They want more versatility, more configurability, more power. You think my mostly PC-illiterate family is going to want to learn Linux just because Word crashes every 10 minutes? I hear my uncle call Bill Gates every name in the book, but he has yet to ask me to come over and install Red Hat for him.
So where are the wirelessly connected wearable computer folks with cameras when you need them?
As with anything, the bulk of watchers,
and users, are mostly the silent multitude.
I think a lot of people using Linux are probably
like me. I'm not a voice in the linux
community, I lose linux some at work
and to dink around in at home. Mostly
at home though I use win 95 or nt 4.
I use them because they are very easy, some
applications or games I use/play don't work
under linux. Setting up games that do work
under linux is a pain in the ass.
Just getting sound to work for your soundcard
under linux is a pain. You have to do things
in it which you simply should not have to
do.
Im not anti microsoft or anti a particular
OS. I use what works. Sure, in a perfect
world your OS would be free like linux,
set it self up for all your hardware
automatically and be easy to use like
win95, robust and crash free like linux,
and all commercial programs and games
would mainly be made for that OS. But
that is not the way things are so i use
both (or all three, blah etc)
Dave
This is a British idiom--translate it as "Linux users are extremely anti-Windows."
First off the Denile of service statement gives linux a bad name. Your saying alot of people install linux to "hack", as the modern media defines it. First off there are tons of D.O.S proggies for Windows. Secondly the area linux is growing by leaps and bounds is in server market shares. Which has nothing to do with looking kewl it has to do with saving hard earned cash and better performance. Mirc scripts are alot more common and "cooler" in irc channels then Bitch-X. I joinded the linux movement because it was a better/cheaper platform not cooler.
Stetson
I've got to say that i believe that there is no one superior OS. I'd use linux if i could have all the software i need for it, but the fact is, there isn't and there probably won't be a Photoshop port to linux for a long time. And before you reply, no, the gimp is not as good as photoshop. It has good functions, and good power, but the interface isn't great and it's no PS. Hell, I should be on a Mac to use Photoshop to its best abilities. On the OS note, Bill Gates isn't evil - he is merely maximizing his lead by any means available. I can't say that if I was in his position I would not do some of the same things. I doubt any of you could, either. Regardless of how badly his operating system works *some* of the time, it is user friendly, it is what the plebian masses are used to, and he's a very smart man - albeit a ruthless one. Would the "linux nazis" here posit a future in which linux has taken Bill Gate's place as the new OS nazi? Who's to say he wouldn't squash a new OS coming out because it was better, eh? Anyway, that's just my two bits.
Heh.. On one hand, it's good that today is President's Day.. Try to get a few Presidents in your pocket (a.k.a. Dollars, if you're confused)
Unfortunately, many news organizations are in hibernation mode today. It's supposed to be a holiday (although I have school, pleh..), so we won't see much coverage until tomorrow.. Oh well.
It makes me irate that Microsoft has said that they would not help people get their money back. I'm pretty glad that I'm not going to one of their offices to try and get money back (heh.. I don't qualify -- always built my own systems..) I'd probably get really @#$%ing angry and start yelling and screaming or something.
Anyway, I guess I'll just have to keep my eyes open for a stray news report here or there..
Heh.. I hope you're right!
Yes, that's true. However, I believe that the people that are going to MS for refunds are doing so because they can't get anywhere with the OEMs..
Maybe, just maybe, MS will listen to these people, take their names and the vendors that sold the computers, then communicate with the vendors about refunding them, who will in turn refund the consumers. It's unlikely, but that's probably the only way that people will get their money back..
I certainly hope that MS will help organize a way for consumers to return Windows and get a refund (e.g. set up a channel for MS to communicate with OEMs to handle this), but I definitely have doubts.
Anyway.. We'll see what happens.
Ha! I just had to say I thought that was funny.. dunno why, but I did.. ;-)
By the time I arrived, the press conference on the 4th floor of the attached parking structure was breaking up. Folks were being herded down to the front entrance, where we gathered across the street. It seemed like there was a fair amount of press. I saw local CBS and ABC affiliates, and many, many more folks taking pictures. There was one police car parked outside the building entrance, and another skulking up in the parking structure, with lots of building security milling about.
Most folks were wearing VAResearch t-shirts, with some Free-BSD, MKLinux and me in my BeOS shirt (which drew some mild jeers ;). Lots of protest signs, and both plastic and stuffed Tuxs' were in prominent display.
Bottom line? No one appeared to be walking out with a refund check. Imagine that. A Microsoft "official" referred potential refundees to hie thee back to the OEM to honor the EULA.
Back to square one? Who knows...
I want to die peacefully in my sleep as my grandfather did...
Yeah, but no one on Slashdot actually listens to Katz's drivel. Given the reaction every time he posts something, I'm not sure why Rob keeps him around...
Umm, no it doesn't. Half-life looks like crap (if you can even get it to run at all) without hardware 3D acceleration. Until WINE can support some hardware acceleration in the games it's running, it won't be able to run 3D games playably.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
I'm a jerk, yes, but I'm usually described as "wiry" :)
As far as OSes, Linux is my primary OS as well, but there's tons of good ones. All I ask for is a more level playing field out there, fair play and more adherence to open standards; I want to see the curbing of the excesses of one particular OS vendor (I'll give ya 98 guesses, or even 5.0^H^H^H2000, if ya want). If this makes me a "Linux Nazi" (ooh, yer a millimeter away from playin' the H Card, ain't ya?), so be it. The "M$ SUX" people may be the loudest on /., but they're probably a very small 3L337 minority.
--
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=8^
Unless you purchased a shrink-wrapped copy of Windows from a reseller like CompUSA (i.e. a copy WITHOUT a computer), MS has no involvement in the refund. The EULA clearly says to contact the OEM for a refund. Once you get a refund from the OEM, what goes one between that OEM and MS is anyone's guess. Based on the reluctance of OEM's to provide refunds, my guess is that the OEM's won't be able to get a refund from MS. In other words, the OEM is eating the cost.
--
Timur "too sexy for my code" Tabi, timur@tabi.org, http://www.tabi.org
Read that as you wish :)
hany
It's good to see that the BBC is not completely clueless and oblivious to everything's that's going on in the world, even if the have to steal other agencies' news.
Well, maybe one day I'll save up and buy an TV, and get a TV licence after all...
I'm out of my tree just now but please feel free to leave a banana.
That's one of the reaons why I like sites like this: they don't pontificate 24/7 erm, I read ars technica, and there is definitely as much pontification from them as anywhere else. Actually, maybe more because, as far as I can tell, they are taken in by "market speak" more often then the average /. article. They also are quite irrational about Macs.
When in danger or in doubt, run in circles scream and shout.
Yeah until I can find some half-life binaries for Linux =^}
"Here's 50 bucks, take this in case I get drunk and call you a bitch later." - Ricky (Vince Vaughn)Made (2001)
All I can say is, thank God more OEMs are giving us the option of using Linux instead, without the Microsoft Tax.
Finding God in a Dog
I'm about to leave for Irvine with my MiniDV camcorder - I'll have some pictures up when the event's over and I've had a bite to eat down there, probably around 4-5 PST.
Note that most of the action is on the West Coast - it's only 10:41 here, and the Irvine event is for noon.
D
It's almost 1:30 or 10:30 pst. When are we going to get some updates about how the refund demonstration has gone. I'm in Michigan so I'm not anywhere near a protest site.