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SAP ports R/3 to Linux
Another big product coming to Linux. According to a report from News.com, SAP will
port R/3 to Linux. We're getting close to World Domination :)
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With BizTone, Oracle APPLTOP, and, now, this (not to mention WinBlowz 2K (W2K?) is this the final nail in the coffin of NT?
Should be an interesting week/month.
I vote that we stop using the phrase of World Domination with Linux. To me that goes against everything that Linux stands for and seems to embody more of the mindset that MS is in. My alternatives... 'World Enlightenment' or 'World Liberation'
"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will..."
-Yoda
My US$.02
Well, I dont want to be picky or anything like that but I just want to make clear that R/3 *is* already ported to Linux for a few months. They will *ship* it in the third quarter of '99.
For the lucky ones who are going to the german CeBit Fair: You will be able to see R/3 running on Linux there...
robat
One of the big ones is microsoft..
I just read last week ago in some rags that Linux will never get SAP. You know that these gartner group analysts are really starting to piss me off with their "statistics" and "probabilities". Ever since 1996-97-98 one these dude will always come out and say: Linux ...never...(make it in the entreprise, get entreprise apps, serious support). Well i say BULLCRAP. It is time we fight back fire with fire. Hey Taco, H, S and the gang: how about a Naysayer Timeline where we'll document all the junk Jesse Berst, John Soat, Gartner et al have been predicting and been proven wrong. I am willing to donate time and $$ for that (since I do not have a site yet) say Naysaysers.net or Rebuttal.net.
Any takers contact me at sfdiop01@stratos.net.
Finally i get that off my chest
IT is not done by reading trade rags
OK, I know/have known that SAP is big, but what is it?
I could *swear* this story has been run before...
title says it all
Someone did get access I believe.
Why not? if it doesn't run stuff all night long
you might as well reboot for hacking. It is one
way to keep an employee happy, and happy employees
don't demand as much money as unhappy ones do.
This whole World Domination thing is getting a bit boring
Relax, it's a joke (i.e. not to be taken seriously). See another thread above about migrating to World Enlightenment (now that you can take seriously).
but I won't even think about using it for writing Java apps and some other stuff that I do.
You are part of the problem, not the solution. Why won't you use it to code java? If you aren't happy about something, then it is time to start demanding Linux ports for what you want to use instead of succumbing to the almighty M$ monopoly. I've used Linux to write many Java frontends for databases. Granted, I can't move to 2 yet, but that time will come soon. Why? Because enough people starting demanding that Sun provide better support for java on Linux. Change very rarely happens overnight. I'd rather put up with some limitations now (and there are fewer and fewer everyday) than sell out to Bill Gates.
Can your system do anything with these processors other than find them?
Will SAP also offer support for their product on Linux? I know some of the other BIG s/w vendors have ported their stuff but do not offer official support. This kind of S/W is USELESS without official support!
josv@osp.nl (still waiting for password)
From what I read, if you're making less than $100,000 a year as a SAP implementor, you're getting screwed.
As I heard, SAP has a NT level version which is good(not NT) for medium and small companies. Also, SAP is doing something with edu and org users(heard in NPR). Otherwise, all I have heard is running SAP in real big servers. My point is that, SAP customers may be finding better value for money when it is Linux than NT(Ultra high stablilty, less admin overhead and higher throughput in Linux)
I think you have to be involved in Linux for about three minutes before you realize that "World Domination" is a joke. I believe it was the author of "Desert Peach" who said, "Anyone who takes this seriously, deserves to." I think that applies here.
If we go around using phrases like "World Enlightenment" or "Global Paradigm Shift", we'll start taking ourselves too seriously and that will be the end of all things good in Linux.
Besides, people who are really seriously intent on World Domination never explicitly say so--in fact, they usually talk about "enlightenment" and "liberation". I think openly saying "World Domination" is a useful check against anyone seriously attempting it.
Do you think the USA would continue to be the outrageous bully that it is today if we had, as Michael Moore suggested, changed our country's name to "The Big One" and made Queen's "We Will Rock You" our national anthem? Probably not, because we wouldn't take ourselves so seriously that we'd think we have the moral right to bomb anyone who looks at us cross-eyed into the stone age.
"World domination--fast!"
Linux runs on many more processors than NT, that's not the problem. Support for common peripherals is good, others are not - try finding support for the 3D hardware acceleration in my Matrox Mystique - sorry Charlie.
If u upgraded to a REAL video card (Millennium or G-100/200) you'd find the support you need.
/. , Thanks CDR. TACO...by the way, who do we see to nominate you for Admiral?)
Name me one other kernel that runs on as many varieties of hardware as LINUX (okay, FreeBSD!) AND, if your hardware isn't supported (and you're not a total dweeb script kiddie) YOU HAVE THE SOURCE AND ACCESS TO AT LEAST 2 MILLION HACKERS WHO ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP (61 thousand of them here at
I have come to the awful conclusion that as a PhD candidate for engineering, it might be prudent for me to do a MCSE. With my qualification, I will probably have to justify strategic technical decisions as a part of my job. It will not do to know squat about the market leading operating system when I have to justify my decisions not to use it for a number of things. As a Linux proponent, I can hardly say that "I decided not to use NT for this project because I personally have no idea what it is".
Much better if I can claim that I know it thoroughly and it does not cut it.
Hopefully by the time I am finished, as many people are laughing off NT that I can comfortably do so as well without additional exposure to it.
...so where is the vaunted Red Pepper and the MicroFocus COBOL I'm always hearing about?
As a SAP implementor for almost 2 years I think I'm qualified to make some clarifications. SAP stands for 'System Application (something or other)' :) Hey, its not important as no ones cares anymore...
Anyhoo the SAP language is ABAP/4 which is a kind of like BASIC and SQL merged together inside a hideous editor. The entire system is run via ABAP and thousands and thousands (8600+) tables.
And installations take years to complete and some like Coke's are known as 'Project Eternal'.
Basically, anyone who puts SAP in spent millions, will continue to spend millions and will be forever in their craw.. mohahahaaaa...
From http://www.neclab.com/corpinfo/pr/980323.html
"NEC Achieves World Record TPC-C Results on 8 CPU-based Express5800 Intel Architecture Windows NT Server
Seattle, WA (March 23, 1998) - NEC Corporation today announced world record tpmC results on the industry acknowledged TPC-C benchmark with its Express5800 Intel Architecture-based server running the Microsoft Windows NT Server, Enterprise Edition 4.0 operating system. These benchmarks featured Microsoft SQL Server, Enterprise EditionTM; 6.5 database management system with NEC's Express5800 8-CPU symmetrical multiprocessor (SMP) server. The system achieved audited results of 16,216.10 tpmC measuring TPC-CTM; throughput for the 8-CPU server."
> I do think that those people who use that other OS might not get the joke...
What other OS?
BY DEFINITION YES!!!
/.
otherwise it is not an 'official' release of SAP.
BTW as was pointed out the port was done long ago and there was already an extensive thread on
(you moron)
;-)
Different words, same meaning.
World Domination (or whatever you prefer to call it) is bad no matter who has it. Linux world domination would be just as bad as MS world domination.
I guess power really does corrupt...?
i don't disagree with you or anything, but i kinda think they are both after slightly different markets. for example, you can't buy sap r/3 off the shelf like you would quicken. also, an sap r/3 implementation costs many many times more than quicken/quickbooks. hey, i guess i am disagreeing with you - sorry.
aladdin1
Did anyone else check out the neighboring link to http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q 216/6/41.asp (Article ID: Q216641)?
The information in this article applies to:
Microsoft Windows 95
Microsoft Windows 95 OEM SR vers 2,2.1,2.5
Microsoft Windows 98
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I wonder if this was discovered during Y2K testing?
if you knew what SAP was, you'd know a SAP admin is very unlikely to ever touch the underlying OS.
That is so gay sounding it's not even funny.
I think the "World Domination" is slightly tongue-in-cheek and not to be taken literally. The fact that some of the "non-enlightened" take it seriously only hightens the humour.
Besides, who really thinks a computer OS is going to bring "enlightenment" to the world. Ego's great but this is a little stupid.
I'm not sure how the two compare, but R/3 lives on top of Oracle, so what's good for one is good for the other.
I imagine this announcement implies that Oracle are going to be bringing their Linux version up to sync with the other platforms--otherwise I doubt SAP would be working on the port. This is very good news for Linux, indeed.
slashdot broke my sig
Linuxs marketplace is going (from where I'm looking anyway) going to be in replacing stuff up to NT server levels, but something which is going to require say a million transactions a day on SAP/Oracle/Informix, well thats at least three or four years away, and at that stage the big servers will probably need to run more, and the whole cycle starts again.
IBM have already announced RS/6000s (43P and another model?) with Linux installed. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the entire RS/6000 line is available with Linux. I also recall reading that they are working on their own IBM distro. There have also been hints that there is an AS/400 port in progress, EWS AFAIK, but I'm sure it will make it onto some production boxes somehow. Once Linux breaks into the AS/400 world, it's only a matter of time before it starts inheriting some very heavy-duty enterprise-level features.
Go back and read some of the /. articles on this stuff and I think you'll see that there is a great potential for some serious enhancement in the near future. IBM have an interest in Linux' development path now, and where IBM goes, Linux will follow.
slashdot broke my sig
I had also thought - that something like SAP would need the big hardware and that companies would always pay a little extra for the benefits of things like hot-swappable RAID drives and fault-tolerant systems, and that these would almost certainly remain proprietary, and that the proprietary Unixii would stick around to support that vendor-specific hardware. Since SAP implementations are multi-million-dollar and this is where an hour of downtime is a loss of a million dollars of productivity for a company, I had through that a few extra hundreds of thousands on hardware might make sense.
Perhaps we're turning the corner via personnel? I would consider sysadminning a SAP implementation on Linux, but never on NT. Could it be that enough people agree at this point that NT implentations are getting impossible to staff correctly? Are you all refusing to work with NT and telling headhunters that up front? If not, why not? If Linux domination of the server continues at this rate, having NT on your resume could ACTUALLY BE A FAUX PAS! "Oh, you're an MCSE type? Sorry, we don't need any of those!"
Oh man, it is to laugh.
Not to mention NT hits the wall long before 14 cpu's. What is it 8? Or is it 4?
Posted by Rojareyn:
First things first:
WAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Okay, now that that's out of my system:
SAP creates a software product called R/3 which is called an Enterprise Resource Package (ERP). This package lets a small-to-medium sized business keeps track of various aspects of their business, such as Sales and Distribution, Human Resources, Production Planning, and Materials Management. It is customizable through it's programming language which is called ABAP (it's sorta similar to COBOL with some SQL-like syntax thrown in for good measure). The R/3 DB layout is highly structured.
R/3 (the client-server version) and R/2 (the older Mainframe version) are in use around the world. Volkswagon, Coca Cola, and IBM currently use it. A lot of businesses --- including a few of my companies clients --- install R/3 to get around their Y2K problems.
Just FYI: I attended an SAP class and spoke briefly with the instructor about Linux. He told me that SAP currently uses Linux internally and there is a Linux version of both the R/3 software and the SAPGUI client. It is VERY nice to see them actually market it!
You have NO idea how hyper I am right now at this piece of news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers!
Yeah, Linux will never get anywhere near big hardware.
/proc/cpuinfo ... ENABLED
http://www.linux.org.uk/diary/yow.html
bash# cat
cpu : TI UltraSparc II (BlackBird)
fpu : UltraSparc II integrated FPU
promlib : Version 3 Revision 2
prom : 3.2.16
type : sun4u
ncpus probed : 14
ncpus active : 14
Cpu0Bogo : 494.79
Cpu1Bogo : 494.79
Cpu4Bogo : 494.79
Cpu5Bogo : 494.79
Cpu6Bogo : 494.79
Cpu7Bogo : 494.79
Cpu8Bogo : 494.79
Cpu9Bogo : 494.79
Cpu10Bogo : 494.79
Cpu11Bogo : 494.79
Cpu12Bogo : 494.79
Cpu13Bogo : 494.79
Cpu14Bogo : 494.79
Cpu15Bogo : 494.79
MMU Type : Spitfire
State:
CPU0: online
CPU1: online
CPU4: online
CPU5: online
CPU6: online
CPU7: online
CPU8: online
CPU9: online
CPU10: online
CPU11: online
CPU12: online
CPU13: online
CPU14: online
CPU15: online
bash# dmesg
PROMLIB: Sun IEEE Boot Prom 3.2.16 1998/06/08 16:58
Linux version 2.1.130 (root@ultrapenguin) (gcc driver version 2.7.2 snapshot 970621 executing gcc version 2.7.2) #3 SMP Mon Dec 7 21:58:03 PST 1998
ARCH: SUN4U
Ethernet address: 08:00:20:9a:71:d5
Found CPU 0 (node=f006f708,mid=0)
Found CPU 1 (node=f006fac8,mid=1)
Found CPU 2 (node=f014f6e4,mid=4)
Found CPU 3 (node=f014faa4,mid=5)
Found CPU 4 (node=f01bf6e4,mid=6)
Found CPU 5 (node=f01bfaa4,mid=7)
Found CPU 6 (node=f022f6e4,mid=8)
Found CPU 7 (node=f022faa4,mid=9)
Found CPU 8 (node=f029f6e4,mid=10)
Found CPU 9 (node=f029faa4,mid=11)
Found CPU 10 (node=f030f6e4,mid=12)
Found CPU 11 (node=f030faa4,mid=13)
Found CPU 12 (node=f037f6e4,mid=14)
Found CPU 13 (node=f037faa4,mid=15)
Found 14 CPU prom device tree node(s).
CENTRAL: Detected 8 slot Enterprise system. cfreg[9e]
FHC(board 0): Version[1] PartID[fa0] Manuf[3e] (CENTRAL)
FHC(board 0): Version[1] PartID[fa0] Manuf[3e] (JTAG Master)
FHC(board 2): Version[1] PartID[fa0] Manuf[3e]
FHC(board 3): Version[1] PartID[fa0] Manuf[3e]
FHC(board 4): Version[1] PartID[fa0] Manuf[3e]
FHC(board 5): Version[1] PartID[fa0] Manuf[3e]
FHC(board 6): Version[1] PartID[fa0] Manuf[3e]
FHC(board 7): Version[1] PartID[fa0] Manuf[3e]
FHC(board 1): Version[1] PartID[fa0] Manuf[3e]
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Memory: 2059720k available (1600k kernel code, 23528k data, 184k init) [fffff80000000000,fffff8007fd1c000]
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
Entering UltraSMPenguin Mode...
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Calibrating delay loop... 494.80 BogoMIPS
Total of 14 processors activated (6927.16 BogoMIPS).
PCI: Probing for controllers.
PCI: No PCI bus detected
IOMMU(SBUS): IMPL[0] VERS[0] SYSIO mapped at fffff9c600000000
IOMMU: Streaming Buffer IMPL[0] REV[0]
sbus0: Clock 25.0 MHz
dma0: HME DVMA gate array=20
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.1
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
NET4: Unix domain sockets 1.0 for Linux NET4.0.
NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP
Starting kswapd v 1.5=20
Sparc Zilog8530 serial driver version 1.34
tty00 at 0xf0902004 (irq = 12,339) is a Zilog8530
tty01 at 0xf0902000 (irq = 12,339) is a Zilog8530
tty02 at 0xf0904004 (irq = 12,339) is a Zilog8530
tty03 at 0xf0904000 (irq = 12,339) is a Zilog8530
keyboard: not present
Console: ttyS0 (Zilog8530)
Sun Mouse-Systems mouse driver version 1.00
RAM disk driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size
esp0: IRQ 7,db SCSI ID 7 Clk 40MHz CCF=8 TOut 167 NCR53C9XF(espfast)
ESP: Total of 1 ESP hosts found, 1 actually in use.
qpti0: IRQ 7,d3 SCSI ID 7 (Firmware 1.25 96/10/15) [Ultra Wide, using single ended interface]
QPTI: Total of 1 PTI Qlogic/ISP hosts found, 1 actually in use.
scsi0 : Sparc ESP366-HME
scsi1 : PTI Qlogic,ISP SBUS SCSI irq 7,d3 regs at fffff9c720010000
scsi : 2 hosts.
Vendor: EXABYTE Model: EXB-8505SMBANSH2 Rev: 0098
Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi tape st0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 5, lun 0
Vendor: TOSHIBA Model: XM5701TASUN12XCD Rev: 2395
Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0
Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST34501WCSUN4.2G Rev: 0558
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST34501WCSUN4.2G Rev: 0558
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi disk sdb at scsi1, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST34501WCSUN4.2G Rev: 0558
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi disk sdc at scsi1, channel 0, id 2, lun 0
Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST34501WCSUN4.2G Rev: 0558
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi disk sdd at scsi1, channel 0, id 3, lun 0
Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST34501WCSUN4.2G Rev: 0558
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi disk sde at scsi1, channel 0, id 8, lun 0
Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST34501WCSUN4.2G Rev: 0558
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi disk sdf at scsi1, channel 0, id 9, lun 0
Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST34501WCSUN4.2G Rev: 0558
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi disk sdg at scsi1, channel 0, id 10, lun 0
Vendor: SEAGATE Model: ST34501WCSUN4.2G Rev: 0558
Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi disk sdh at scsi1, channel 0, id 11, lun 0
scsi : detected 1 SCSI tape 1 SCSI cdrom 8 SCSI disks total.
esp0: target 6 asynchronous
Uniform CDROM driver Revision: 2.50
SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 8385121 [4094 MB] [4.1 GB]
SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 8385121 [4094 MB] [4.1 GB]
SCSI device sdc: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 8385121 [4094 MB] [4.1 GB]
SCSI device sdd: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 8385121 [4094 MB] [4.1 GB]
SCSI device sde: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 8385121 [4094 MB] [4.1 GB]
SCSI device sdf: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 8385121 [4094 MB] [4.1 GB]
SCSI device sdg: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 8385121 [4094 MB] [4.1 GB]
SCSI device sdh: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 8385121 [4094 MB] [4.1 GB]
sunhme.c:v1.2 10/Oct/96 David S. Miller (davem@caipfs.rutgers.edu)
eth0: HAPPY MEAL (SBUS) 10/100baseT Ethernet 08:00:20:9a:71:d5=20
Partition check:
sda: sda1 sda2 sda3
sdb: sdb1 sdb3 sdb4 sdb5 sdb6 sdb7 sdb8
sdc: sdc1 sdc3 sdc4 sdc5 sdc6 sdc7 sdc8
sdd: sdd1 sdd2 sdd3 sdd7
sde: sde1 sde3 sde4 sde5 sde6 sde7 sde8
sdf: sdf1 sdf3 sdf4 sdf5 sdf6 sdf7 sdf8
sdg: sdg1 sdg3 sdg4 sdg5 sdg6 sdg7 sdg8
sdh: sdh1 sdh2 sdh3 sdh7
VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
This is not my machine. This is a cpuinfo trap from Alan Cox's diary pages, hence the URL (follow it). This machine is running, this is not a bootup log captured via serial console. This machine works. Things run. Things run fast.
Straight from http://194.117.157.10/diary/dec-1998.shtml, December 8th,
"Dave Miller has been pushing forward the boundaries of Linux SMP. He posted this wonderful bootup log to the kernel list."
I doubt that. Last time I looked the number were something like: IBM ($13B), MS ($8B), Oracle ($4). I blieve that would put SAP at fourth place (at best). This was close to a year ago. MS should have grown by 30-40%. I have not a clue how things
are doing for IBM.
Cheers,
/jarek
Hmmm,
I'm going to get flamed to death for this, but here goes. This whole World Domination thing is getting a bit boring. I'm extremely pro-linux, but lets be honest, there are certain things that it will never be able to do in the short to medium term.
A couple of people made comments last week about Scott McNealys comment on out engineering Solaris on Sparc. Lets be honest here folks, who is going to get access to E10000 to get a Linux system up and running on it? Its not going to happen. Linux is an excellent OS for an awful lot of stuff, its my OS of choice for a lot of the non work related development stuff I do, but I won't even think about using it for writing Java apps and some other stuff that I do.
Linuxs marketplace is going (from where I'm looking anyway) going to be in replacing stuff up to NT server levels, but something which is going to require say a million transactions a day on SAP/Oracle/Informix, well thats at least three or four years away, and at that stage the big servers will probably need to run more, and the whole cycle starts again.
I've only heard of Oracle on Linux being deployed on a semi-large scale in one place, is there anywhere else that people know of?
Linux does have the potential to become an extremely potent and influential force in computers, and I'm looking forward to seeing this happen, but its not the world domination end folks. The major thing that I'm looking forward to dealing with over the next couple of years is the people that have been involved with the entire paradigm shift that we are seeing at the moment, this is where Linuxs influence is fast becoming evident. As has been pointed out before we are the managers (I know its a horrible word) of the future, but people who aren't working in a commercial env at the moment don't seem to see that not everyone wants, or has the abilty to, use Linux.
anyway back to work,
l8r,
egnarts
I've got to be dreaming.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
this is so cool, now we can implement on a stable platform - worry more about the re-engineering and the implementation than the os constraints - maybe i won't have to use windoze at work anymore - i guess that would be wishful thinking. wish me luck.
icq 11041108 GB/AT$ d++$ s: a C++ UL+@ P+ L++ E W+ N+ o K w O M V PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP t++ 5 X+ R- tv- b+++ DI++ D G+ e+++ h
this is not meant to be sarcastic, but the documentation which came with my "applixware office solutions" for linux seems to be win95 documentation. i wonder what applix uses?
anyway, i think the filters which ship with star office 5.0 and applixware office (4.4.1 - i think) ship the filters (with minor formatting problems - english version)
icq 11041108 GB/AT$ d++$ s: a C++ UL+@ P+ L++ E W+ N+ o K w O M V PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP t++ 5 X+ R- tv- b+++ DI++ D G+ e+++ h
sap r/3, oracle financials (not to be confused with oracle 8i the database) as well as baan and peoplesoft are all erp (enterprise resource planning) software solutions. they essentially capture information about the company - as long as a process is developed to capture that information - and present it in report format. the implementation includes process mapping and re-design. they all contain modules to enable an enterprise to manage almost all aspects of its operations - accounting, supply chain management, human resources, reporting....
until something else comes along, the erp solutions are considered the be all end all ultimate information packages.
icq 11041108 GB/AT$ d++$ s: a C++ UL+@ P+ L++ E W+ N+ o K w O M V PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP t++ 5 X+ R- tv- b+++ DI++ D G+ e+++ h
"World Domination" is a joke. It is specifically aimed at MS, tongue in cheek.
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A few things--
/. before) that it's the stability and scalability which is creating demand for a Linux port.
1. For those who wanted to know, SAP is this HUGE client/server package (millions of lines of code built over like 20 years) which many big businesses use to run their entire organization. SAP is a german company (I think they're still debating what "SAP": stands for) which oversees all kinds of aspects of a big business-- inventory, shipping, ordering, financial stuff, billing, payroll etc. It's kinda the big monster that runs the whole show. Because running a company (like say, a manufacturing plant, or MicroSoft or Avid) is so complicated, having a good internal system can save a company millions per year.
Installing SAP for a client usually takes several months (if not more) and involves a team of consultants who custom-install SAP through the SAP scripting language, which if memory serves, is called OB-OP or something like that. OB-OP programmers generally make a ton of money per/hour to write and test code for a particular company's installation.
2. The fact that SAP is being offered for Linux says a lot about Linux's technical merits (rather than the fact that it's free). To people who install SAP, the cost of an OS is NOTHING-- a typical installation can be tens of millions of dollars so linux's price isn't an issue-- my guess is (and this has been discussed on
Congrats!
W
PS-- the info above is to the best of my knowlege. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong about something.
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Linux just appeared on a lot new radar screens.
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Anywho, I think SAP is No.2, but I could be mistaken.
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"Oh, bother," said Pooh, as he hid Piglet's mangled corpse.
That said, we must not feel victorious, but must remain vigilant. The wolves are upon us; endless attempts to abuse GNU/Linux for commercial advantage are appearing at a crushing rate. But armed with the GPL and my C comiler, I think we can beat them back. <grin>
--jon. Postel is dead. May we all mourn his, and our, loss.
WOOHOO!
here's to job security...
Does anyone know whether PeopleSoft supports Linux or any other Unix?
I'm all for something like this, though I wouldn't want it to be Linux-specific. The main reasons these "analysts" are able to make a living with bogus predictions is that the public never remembers what they predicted last time around.
I vaguely remember a Gartner study in the early '90s that predicted ~50% penetration of the desktop market for NT in 1995.