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ESR Wants to Retire
hexix writes "ESR
wants to
retire from his job, and he is looking for someone to take over."
Eric says the stress of being away from home, having too
little quiet time, and the community's reaction to him is
burning him out.
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But, is anyone ready to take on the responsibilities ESR has? I think he's saying, "If you want my job then come take it."; if not then let me do it the best way I can.
I may not agree with everything he says or does but I find I agree more than not. We can debate his decisions without personally impuning him.
As for ESR, I've got a word or two for you. We need someone with your experience - just don't expect us to follow blindly - we are peers not subjects. Whether or not something is Open Source or not will be decided by logical and informed debate - not by one person.
Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
I use to support a lot of what Mr. Raymond was doing, providing guidance to corporations on how to get into this groovy 'open source' stuff that was totally happening. The NPL, whose final status as a free software license, can be at least partially attributed to him (were others very involved? I can't remember). I am looking forward, in a big way, to Netscape 5.
As time has passed, however, he has felt the need to engage in more self-promoting behavior to keep his position, until he was doing as much self-promotion as actual work. I think the new Apple license is the final thing that made him lose acceptance with a lot of free software and open source advocates.
In my opinion -- and it's apparently an opinion shared by many here -- the APSL is a marketing hijink and a joke. Although Mr. Raymond supports it as Open Source (which is his right), it is very clearly not free software, since among other things it can't be used in other code, even personal changes are controlled by a central corporation, etc.
I certainly have questions about whether the job Mr. Raymond has been doing needed filled -- I use proprietary software, and I'd rather know I was using proprietary software than thinking it was free -- but more importantly, I think that if the job is going to be filled, the applicant needs to avoid being used as a marketing tool.
I'm afraid that I think that's what has become of Mr. Raymond -- a company can apparently now manage to compromise the community from which Mr. Raymond hails, with his support and belief that it is helping the community.
Here's to your ideals, Mr. Raymond, and I'm sorry we live in a world where they are compromised.
--Matthew
What I really don't want to see is a public relations committee without a figurehead. (The last thing this community needs is another committee.) I personally hope that Mr. Raymond makes a comeback, but until then, God help the poor media as it tries to understand the leanings and dynamics of today's code hackers.
I hereby nominate Cmdr Taco as spokesman. He doesn't have enough to do. No, wait. Perhaps then Jon Kat-- Oh, I can't even finish that joke. Alas. Goodbye, Mr. Raymond.
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(sourceCode == freeSpeech)
I am not a big believer in ad hominem discussions. The merit of a position stands and falls on its own validity, not on who says it. I preface my comment with this statement, because in general I work very hard in my postings to stick to the ideas not the people behind them. But since Mr. Raymond laid down the ad hominem gauntlet in this latest letter, I have no choice to respond in kind.
/.) dare to attack his positions, then he's going to take his toys and go home.
It is true, that people relate to people more than to abstract ideas. So any political or philosophical position needs a spokesperson to have it spread and be accepted in a broader forum.
Anyone who takes on that role, must be prepared for all the aspects that go with "spokespersonhood". A good part of that is being criticized, fairly or not, not just for what you say, but how you say it and what you do. It's part of the territory. Those who are being "represented" can justifiably hold their leaders to a higher standard. For if you are going to speak in MY name (especially if I didn't choose you to do so), then you damn well better be equal or better than me, in every way. A leader should be a source of inspiration, someone people look up to, not someone who shames us by their words or actions.
Unfortunately, many, if not all leaders, become totally identified in their own minds with their ideas. They take attacks on their positions as personal attacks. It is very hard to avoid this egotistical disease.
In fact, in the world of free software, the ONLY leader who so far has managed to avoid this, and given his nature probably always will, is Linus Torvald. Nick Peterley compared him to Tom Bombadil - a man over whom the ring of power has no influence. What an apt description. Linus is in fact a holy man, an exceptional human being whose ego is just the right size.
Eric Raymond, however, isn't. It is clear from this latest diatribe that the fact that many people strongly disagreed with calling the Apple APSL as open source, got his goat. He took the attack on Apple as a personal attack on himself. I read alot of the discussions. There were lots of strong opinions, but very little that can be characterized as ad hominem attacks on Raymond as such. His reaction in this letter can only be characterized as pitiful for a man who wants to be a leader.
In this "response", Mr. Raymond has resorted to the cheapest of demagoguery. The sad part is that so many people fell into his trap. Basically, what Raymond is saying in his letter is I am a god and anybody who criticizes me is a worthless ingrate. Instead of responding to the merit of the arguments against his positions, Mr. Raymond resorts to threats and insults to silence those who disagree with him. In a fit of pique worthy of a four year old, he says that if those worthless little ingrates (presumably on
Quite frankly, I am willing to bet anyone on this list that Raymond isn't going home so fast. It is quite clear from his letter that he enjoys the "face time" (what an ugly expression) with such "luminaries" as Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos, and all the other "perks". Well good for him. But that shouldn't stop anyone from standing up and speaking the truth when the truth needs to be said, even if that truth is uncomfortable for a man who just exposed himself to the world as being egotistical, childish and unworthy of leading an intellectual revolution as important as the free software movement.
Remember all those /. articles you've read that had quotes from ESR? Their easy to remember because they almost always mention that Eric wrote "Cathedral and the Bazaar". Nearly everyone knows who wrote that paper.
And yet he didn't list being able to write as one of his qualifications. Even so he's already (26 comments so far), getting flamed for that list. Despite forgetting that you should be able to write too, he still gets flamed!
Fat chance finding anyone to replace him! It's hard enough to find a great coder, let alone one willing to work for free. And then ask that he be good at speaking in front of large audiences! Hehe. Suuuuuuure. No problem. Oh, and can he be creative and write really well too?
Don't think that he needs to be replaced? That's what I thought too. But we all know that just because you make a great product doesn't necessarily result in winning the game. And up until ESR retirement I'd just taken it for granted all those quotes and speaches. Now too late I understand the need. Hopefully enough of the people that flamed him before will too.
This kind of excrement is worth refuting...
Open Source and Free Software has come to a point where mainstream press would have noticed it. It is vital that people get in there and provide facts and refute all the FUD out there.
The Micro$hafts of the world have a large number of spin doctors that there entire job is to help solidify their position. Free Software/Open Source? Only the self-propelled, self-proclaimed, arrogant guys are willing to step forward. Thus ESR climbed to the top. I hope another as self-assured as he rises to the top.
Gordon
Slashdot Longhairs flame ESR for trying to make a point. I can see it now. Amazing that the guy has feelings. You'd almost think he was human or something.
I mean is it really to much to ask that makers of software and people doing a service to the open source community not be flamed at every turn or even thanked once in ahwile? is there so little respect that we can't atleast recognize another for their achievments and actions?
At what point does the ego take a back seat and we try to work toghether? why should an idea be a reason to totally discredit a person? I have an idea. instead of flaming try to make your points of disagreement known and if you don't have any points to say don't say anything you'll help your self in the end by showing your intelligence is above that of a 12 year old who just got a new computer.
"We want to take over the world, but we don't want to do it tomorrow, it's OK if it's next week"-- Linus Torvalds
First, let me say: when you hitch the trailer to the tractor, it's the kingpin that takes the stress.
Second: who asked ESR to promote the open-source community and concept? Well, some people expressed an interest, and he stepped up to the plate. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE FUCKING POINT! You see a need, you fill it! Hello?!? Isn't that what every reactionary "corporations suck, free software rules" author here espouses -- solving problems?
I dunno. Here I was thinking that the people who were really into free software believed that if you don't like something, do it better instead of whining. So why is it I hear nothing but whining from people who don't like what ESR is doing, instead of seeing some fuckin' action?
Foul language? Crude expressions? Yes -- there's a reason, I'm pissed at the hypocrites who stand around badmouthing ESR without doing a damn thing to improve the situation themselves.
Flames to garrett@memesis.org, slashdot can do without your 2-bit opinion of me.
Nothing worth doing is worth doing today.
I'm here today when companies like Creative Labs are just now waking up to to Linux, through the help of those TLAs you disdain. There are still a large number of mfgrs out there that aren't convinced that Linux is worth their time, and they won't be until it is more 'mainstream'.
One point that's worth remembering is that most of us are more directly exposed to ESR's self-promotion and general promotion of OSS than the people he actually targets. That's because his targets are busy reading generic trade rags such as the Wall Street Journal and are getting bombarded by far more marketing from a wider set of angles than most of us. In contrast, the average hacker gets his news from finely tuned websites and Usenet groups with appropriately configured killfiles, filters, etc..
A great many people I know in the open/free/whatever software world try to isolate themselves from the general marketing thrash 'out there', carefully filtering what they're presented with using kill files, spam blockers, staying away from TV, etc. As a result, ESR represents a much larger blip on our radar screen than the radar screens of corporations at-large. This is a natural side effect of the hackers' desire to control the relevance of information in their lives.
The result is that ESR appears as a tireless self promoter, and the hacker community ends up proving that it's not so tireless in its ability to put up with this seemingly non-hacker behavior. That's why I believe ESR comes across so strongly to everyone in the hacker community -- he's cranked the wattage so the suits can see him at all, but he's overpowering our receivers as he does it because we haven't learned when to tune him out.
Don't let ESRs high-wattage broadcasts regarding OSS overpower you. Just because you're not immersed in Microsoftia all the time doesn't mean the suits he's trying to sway aren't.
--Joe--
Program Intellivision!
So when all hardware goes proprietary, and Linux will only work on old hardware, and the world demands that you live and work in it, what will you do? If you don't shape the world to your ideals, the world will shape you to it's ideals.
If the Linux "community" keeps silent, and lets the world go to hell, and everything becomes proprietary and corporations own everything but the equivalent of some hobbyists commodore64s in their basement, what will we do? If we stand silent and watch the world degenerate, what good will Linux be? If we silently give consent to information being as hidden as possible, what good will Linux be?
As Eisenhower said, "People who value their priveleges above their principles soon lose both." If we just sit the corner and do our own thing, what will we do when the hardware that we are running fails, and their are no open replacements? What will we do when everything is proprietary, and corporations own the world?
People have civic responsibility, even if they don't like to admit it. No one should have what they do belittled because "it was their duty". I'd never be ungrateful to Linus and claim that he did no more than his duty. But where would he be if he never started Linux? And if *BSD was never written?
If we don't try to leave the world a better place than we found it, we're pretty much guaranteed to leave it a worse place. Of course, given a fiarly large lifespan, like thirty or fourty years, we'll probably get to live in a good portion of the decay that we didn't prevent. If we make nothing good, what will we do when we look for good things? When the rivers are going to overflow their banks, we must shore them up, or we will drown. The corporate rivers are poised to overflow their banks. Shall we sit by minding our own business and be drowned in them?
They laughed at Einstein. They laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. -- C. Sagan
It's hard to understand WHY people in this community are so bent on getting corporations to embrace oss, if you forgot that some of use don't want to live in a world with:
-hardware released with proprietary windoze-only drivers, and no available specs
-NT servers that we can all go to work and pull our hair out over, because that's what the boss bought
-near-monopoly in the os market from a certain empire
-winmodems
wait, that's where we live right now! Except because of the efforts of people like esr, businesses are moving the other way. Sure, free software will get better regardless, but some of us would like to also use it at WORK. And sooner, rather than later. Ok, so ESR hasn't improved linux *lately* (he did code a lot - more than most of us) but his job now, as he calls it, is important in its own way. So what if he promotes himself? Don't forget that he was instrumental in Netscape's freeing of the code.
And if you, for whatever reason, genuinely don't care whether or not companies embrace linux, please respect the fact that some of us do. Raymond isn't trying to pervert 'the cause', and, though I don't know him, I would guess that his goal is not to boost his ego.
Guys, he's one of us.
Vidi, Vici, Veni
This equality of enterprise is bigger than any one individual. This movement is moving on, and like any tempest that ravages the land, it will eventually disipate into a thousand other things, but will have left its indellible mark. These marks will mostly be things that people did, like write an operating system, or herald a cause, or start a foundation, or bring a community together via a website.
We the supporters of the open source community need heroes, and we need these heroes to help carry the message to the masses. I feel like it is to our benefit to have as many heroes in the public eye as the public will have. For this I hope that as ESR redefines his role in this community we will be capable of supporting new people who can carry our message to the masses. Just like the kernel is now too big for Linus, ESR is telling us that the soapbox is too big for the current crew. From one perspective, this presents a unique and interesting problem that some of us will find inviting, and will want to attack. At risk of drawing too many parrallels with kernel development, we should be concerned that we don't present too many interfaces that won't stand the test of time. Having trusted focal points for the press and others will ensure credibility. So while ESR says that he would leave the stage I would hope that there would be a happy medium.
bnf
p.s. Anyone here realize that Microsoft's Stock has reached an inflection point, signalling that the rate of increase has stopped growing. This is generally caused by a stock reaching its market cap or by an encroaching competitor gaining market share. They know what's happening, and we've begun to see the FUD roll out with finer craftsmanship. This is the time when we should stand strong as a community and intelligently communicate our messages.
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I think ESR's note itself is an interesting comment on why he is such a controversial figure. It's a very smooth piece of writing, and it's clear from a lot of these Slashdot posts that many people haven't fully groked his piece.
You'll note that nothing he wrote makes it look particularly likely that he's going to retire anytime soon. Indeed, it seems like one of his main points is that the job he's doing is one that requires some pretty hard-to-find qualifications. And, you'll notice what his punch-line is: if you can't do it, then stop being such a mean-spiritied critic.
And this brings it back to why ESR is so controversial: he's very slick. He wants to reprimand his critics, and he does so, while slicking past most of his audience that much of his point is to reprimand his critics (Bruce, are you listening?)
Personally, I don't mind ESR too much, and I don't take him too seriously. I think he has been filling a useful function, and I think, despite his protestations, that he probably likes the self-aggrandizement that goes along with it. But that's par for the course and I for one am not complaining.
But I don't think of what he says as gospel, and I understand why he makes some people nervous.