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Latitude/Longitude of IPs
FigWig sent us something goofy to play with if you need
some data to help aim the ICBMs you have leftover in your
basement from the last major holiday.
This site allows you to
get the latitude/longitude of
any IP address.
xtraceroute is pretty cool, but a bitch to get up and running. Slick, though, once it runs
Too lazy to log in right now,
sKroz
Use DNS LOC Records. They specify exactly where
an IP Address is located. For example:
LOC 32 07 41.6 N 117 16 48.8 W 100m
- Dan Anderson
Ref: RFC 1876 and
http://www.kei.com/homepages/ckd/dns-loc/
Hell, I sometimes wonder if a good lawyer couldn't make a "denial of service" argument and sue Rob? By posting links, he knows that x thousands of eyeballs will flock almost instantly...
Hell, don't give those lawyers any ideas of what they could do us!
Except that most ISP's register all their nets to one postal address, even though the addresses may be in use anywhere in the world, or at least in anywhere in whatever country they're located.
On another note, xtraceroute could do a lot better if it used a list of regexp's matching specific locations based on hostnames. There's only a few really huge backbone networks, and most of them use a fairly uniform set of rules for naming routers etc., and the list of major interconnection points is fairly short.
Besides, DNS refresh rates can be set at will, and DNS servers can be dynamically updated.
As for being behind a corporate firewall, DNS LOC records will work just fine for anyone behind the firewall, and from the outside you'll probably only see the firewall, and will get the LOC record for that if there is one. If some weirdos use a firewall that doesn't proxy or masquerade, then DNS LOC records will work just fine from the outside too.
Well this a new services this has been around well since cello existed :). it its neat though
This could be a big help for some of us if it really worked. Help me remember where the hell I was.
Cheers.
AC #7133925
Maybe those lawyers could even resist CmdrTaco from mentioning sites on slashdot, as it might be interpreted as a "call for DoS-attack" :-)
this thing is _ancient_, I'm surprised to see it
on slashdot suddenly.
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Posted by HolyMackeralAndy:
/. or maybe we should call it 'smash dot'.
Posted by Zyca:
:)
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You don't do that, you simply open the weapon bay and start firing that Avanger 30mm gattling cannon with Depeleted Uranium shells...
No need to wait for the network admin to recover the site from "smash dot" effect...
Well, with some investigation, and the help of a few other System Administrators, I got his exact location, and narrowed down the suspects to a single computer lab, which told let me figure out who it was (one of the ex-boyfriends of a girl I was dating frequented that computer lab, and he was a nut).
But, during this process, I the tricks I used to track him were some of these IP to Longitude and Lattitude things, and found them wildly inaccurate. It gave me his position as a networking center, and he was actually on the oppisite end of the state. The networking center held the ownership for this IP block, and therefore was the position of the IP address that was returned. But infact, this center was NOT his location, because the internal network was elabraote enough that he was actually in a related facility on the other end of the state that I tracked him to.
It wasn't the IP to Longitude and Lattitude thing that helped, it was more network tools, routing information, and mostly good System Administrators willing to help that did the job.
BTW, for what it's worth, HotMail was no help what-so-ever either. They canceled his account, and he quickly just got another through them, and kept sending stuff.
i'm sure there are legal problems with doing that.
evil lawyers.
You can't expect those to be absolutely perfect. Theoretically you could trace my IP right down to the side of the bedroom in the on-campus apartment I'm in right now, but just try tracing someone in Australia with one of these things; the best that site will give you is the country (it'll list Canberra as the city, no matter what city the computer is actually in).
These things are tools, but they can't be expected to be particularly reliable, especially outside of the US. If I'm not mistaken, though, that's NSI's fault, not the program's, so there isn't much that can be done.
Adra is that you?
Let's say that /. doesn't do the mirroring, but instead /. allows me (and anyone else) to easily post a URL where we've mirrored a site. Something like "I've mirrored site X -- It'll be mirrored until ". Then anyone who wants to take on the legal responisbility for themselves could act as a mirror. /. would only provide the links.
/. be liable for anything?
This can be done manually right now, but what if it were built into the software. Would
I think I suggested this to them a month ago or so, and said suggestion was promptly ignored.
Or maybe I am just imagining that I suggested it to them.
Just set up a Squid server to act like The Anonymizer does. Call it http://effect.slashdot.org/ or something. Have a bunch of people volunteer to run this Squid setup, and use round-robin DNS to have effect.slashdot.org point to all of them. Then have the external links in Slashdot stories point to http://effect.slashdot.org/http://tiny.wimpy.site/ instead of directly to http://tiny.wimpy.site/.
Guess I'm safe from ICBM's!
:-)
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People getting sued for stuff like that is one problem.
People not doing stuff like that for fear of being sued is another, and much larger problem.
I wonder what would happen if a large group of people just stood up and said no. "No, I will not put a disclaimer in my sources", "No, I will not hesitate to do them a favour by mirroring their site", "No, I won't live in constant fear of legal action!"
Yes, I am naïve.
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Fuck the system? Nah, you might catch something.
Well - try this against
anyting in net 44! These are
amateur radio packet stations,
which might be VERY mobile.
So that is 1/256 of the net
where the concept is bogus.
And anyone that is behind a
corporate firewall is another
place where the IP addresses
have no bearing to location.
Not a practical idea in most
cases.
Have you compiled your kernel today??
I haven't been to it yet [/. remember? :-)] but im assuming that it uses a cgi app of some sort to obtain the information. If this is true then without the author giving you the associated information a mirror would not do anything. You would need the author to give you the cgi and (im assuming) some sort of database.
Stan "Myconid" Brinkerhoff
SB.
RIPE - http://www.ripe.net/ - contains all European (And others, sometimes) IP addresses, and shuold have a postal address associated with them. This should mean that you can trace any IP address down to a pretty fine location, assuming it's entered properly in RIPE, of course.
As for RFCs or drafts regarding IP location, I can't immediately find one... Although there is/was going to be a world wide database of IP/AS details, much along the lines of what RIPE can do. Can't get through to the IETF site to find the details, though.
Ah... I see. Domain location, rather than IP location. Thanks.
Which gives me another thought... Should Slashdot provide a RFC database? With Rob's coding skills, we could end up with a very valuable resource here.
True... My own IP address comes out as being in London's West End, a place I could only wish to live.
The problem is usually that dialup IP pools and the like aren't easily reconcilable with RIPE's level of accuracy. Nor would anyone particularly like to have their home address easily available to everyone...
I would love to put up a database of RFCs, but I just don't know where to find them all... Could somebody help me out with that? I'll post a link to the database as soon as it's completed.
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Even 127.0.0.1? Or 10.x.x.x? Or 192.168.x.x? Or whatever that other range of free for internal use addresses is? :-)
already slashdotted... eeeergh..
-- adraken
you bet it is
-- adraken
cello will be gone for a couple of days anyway... heh... damnit, people get off it, i want to try.. :P
-- adraken
Unless you look for some stupid AOLer, you will get at best coordinates of my proxy server. There are miriads of those, allowing external access. And not all of them use CGI variable to show originating IP.
AtW,
http://www.investigatio.com
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Are you certain you mean "I'm sure" and not "I think"?
Google is doing just fine caching everything, as are all the ISPs who use Squid proxies.
And, for that matter, companies such as the one I work for who use Squid proxies internally.
If I remember right, IPv6 will be able to be traced back to location like this, but without the extensive tables of information either on IP or DNS info.
Hasn't this information been around in the form of LOC records for quite a while?
Location via internic.net lookups? Somewhat simplistic a solution, no?
sighhh... it'd be nice if programs like xtraceroute could work without having to use massive IP location tables. For some reason I can't help but feel like a James Bond villian when I see my network hops neatly displayed on a map of the earth }:-)
I hear there's an RFC in the works that will help with this (or is it part of IPv6?)
iSKUNK!
> As for RFCs or drafts regarding IP location, I can't immediately find one...
RFC 1876, the LOC resource record.
Well, then you use a GPS and send the updates to the DNS server to update the server... ;-P
Excellent suggestion! Rob, other /. admins reading this? Anybody want to volunteer to incorporate this into the slashdot codebase? points to self: "Not it!" (I would but I have a busy course load this quarter.
Give an infinite number of monkeys infinite bandwidth and they'll eventually take themselves seriously and write /
Next on Rob's list of things to do should be automatic mirroring of sites linked from Slashdot...
Give an infinite number of monkeys infinite bandwidth and they'll eventually take themselves seriously and write /
If thats the same site I'm thinking of, I used to play with it constantly... though it's not really any more informative than going to the place's web site and clicking on "Contact".
So back to aiming ICBMs, who can tell me how to get the L/L of my favorite cell phone user
Regards,
Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
it's been sitting there without the admins even remembering it was there.
Will we ever see it again?
Regards,
Terrorists can attack freedom, but only Congress can destroy it.
I think I have your site bookmarked. Isn't it "http://localhost"?
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RIPE has pretty much all of the RFC's in text format, as far as I can see, at ftp.ripe.net/rfc/. The file rfc-retrieval.txt contains a list of mirrors which probably are closer to you.
needlejaw@angst:~$
I'd be more usefull to find out in what country or even city that IP is located
I'd really be impressed if they could give you the lat/lon of CDPD devices. It would make my job a heck of a lot easier.