Seriously, mere rejection isn't enough, apparently there is a need to actively abuse men.
The creeps? Sure. They were supposed to learn this stuff years ago, but refused to then and still refuse now.
Like all living things, people do not grow except in response to pressure of some kind. The relatively gentle pressures of the schoolyard are sufficient for most, but some people dig in their heels, and then sterner measures must be taken.
Since when is "society has a legitimate right and need to expect a certain level of functionality from its members, and you don't measure up" mental gymnastics?
Pretending like you weren't bullied for a good reason I see?
No, actually. The reason for my ostracism wasn't exactly the same as yours, but it was close enough for most purposes. I also faced some bullying -even fair targets can be treated unfairly- but really, most of it what happened to me was as fair for me as it was for you.
The process of coming to understand this was extremely unpleasant. Having been in your position, I don't envy you. But there was no other way I was ever going to learn. Just like there's no other way for you. You've had years to prove it, like I did.
Just like creeps need to be put in their place so nerds and geeks need to understand that their social inadequacy is not acceptable in the real world.
Still no. I was basically one of Those Geeks, just as you are. I need to be clear about this: the geek community was founded by the unfairly targeted, and only co-opted for abuse by the fair targets later. Most of us are just fine, even though some of us are not. But the ones who aren't are the ones who ruin everything for everybody.
They need to learn to interact normally with people just like everyone else.
There is no "just like": society can withstand quite a large range of social interaction and function. This is perhaps one of the hardest lessons I had to learn, as, I suspect, it is for you: that just because my behavior and interactions were unacceptable doesn't mean that there's only one acceptable way to behave or interact. But there are boundaries.
The bar is low, but it exists, and it is necessary. Only once I understood all three parts of that sentence could I even begin to improve things, by improving myself. And so it is, I suspect, for you as well.
Everything you say is true as far as it goes, but I'm not sure it's useful. The incels start hearing it and tune out. If you want to get through to them in any sense, you have to use something they won't just ignore right away.
I always preferred the term "bitter unfuckables" to "incels" for that reason, but using their own chosen name is a good way to delay the argument, offering more opportunity to hit the right nerves.
Not remotely. There are indeed plenty of nerds who are unfairly bullied. The community formed around them.
But in the process, we forgot something important: bullying and fair ostracism aren't the same thing. To be fair, we weren't the only ones who forgot this. It was a time when everyone had. But it makes little difference in the end: we wound up letting people into our midst that we shouldn't have, and they ruined it for everyone just as they ruined everything else they'd been part of. And now, if we're to salvage the geek community at all, there's little choice but to put them back where they belong, which is outside. Because that is the only way they will ever learn.
It's more that geeks have become sick and tired of Those Geeks. You know the type: the ones who weren't bullied for being different so much as ostracized for being creepy, and ran to the all-ostracism-is-evil crowd to escape the social pressure to grow that they so desperately needed? They've abused our generosity long enough, and it's time to put them back on the outside where they always belonged.
I tend to define it a little differently, though in practice I'm not sure how much difference it makes. Incels: creepy men who refuse to accept that their inability to get a date is all their fault.
Not really. I'm really more of an opportunist than anything else; I don't go out of my way to find them, I just snipe when the chance crosses my path. I also don't have to go out of my way to find them, given their increasing crises for the relevance that they don't deserve and aren't ready for.
Truth be told, I don't think almost anyone on either side spends any actual money for their side. Slacktivism wins in the end.
But it does go to show how ridiculous and impotent the incels' efforts are. They can't sink a movie even when they sink its reviews. They really should forget this ridiculous nonsense and just grow the fuck up already. Then people might actually want them around for once.
Carbon storage. Even if you remove the carbon from the atmosphere it has to go somewhere. Turn the old coal mines into coal vaults, and you solve that problem at least partially.
Maybe the people shouting "white males not welcome" are ruining it for everybody?
They certainly do, when they show up. I haven't seen them around these parts, though.
People say there's no such thing as "reverse discrimination," but when you attempt to enforce inclusivity by excluding certain groups, you're a hypocrite.
I agree completely. The current sociological lexicon is peppered with self-serving bullshit from people seeking a license to treat their personally-disfavored groups like crap without consequence.
Very little of that plays into why nobody wants you around, though. You're just a jerk.
Typical creep behavior. You get told you're ruining things for everybody, and so the nice things you abused are being taken away, and what do you do? Whine about somehow being "the real victim" despite being the only ones who did anything wrong, and vow to continue ruining things for everybody.
This is why nobody wants you around. And really, this is why sites shouldn't be taking these features away, just banning the creeps (or better yet, shadowbanning them) and wiping out their votes/posts/other work. Not because of "free speech", but because it is a better approximation of the ostracism that these people need in order to grow as people.
Brie Larson? Misandrist? I suppose it's possible, but this would be the first I've heard of it. I've known a couple of actual misandrists, and I can't say I've seen any similarities to Brie Larson.
I admit to not being an aficionado of Captain Marvel, but I've also seen no indications of Carol Danvers being more of a Mary Sue than any other superhero. Heck; the original Mar-Vell seems to fit the trope more closely, which would make Danvers an improvement.
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You know, this is an example of a double standard, like active and encouraged abuse by women is somehow a good thing.
Abuse? Of course not. Rejection is not abuse. Not even en masse.
It's like ignoring a person is somehow bad or something.
When ignoring fails, one needs sterner measures.
The MenProvement or douchebag initiative was aimed specifically and only at men.
Sounds like they hit a nerve. Maybe you should listen harder.
Women are incapable of being jerks it would seem.
Certainly they are capable of being jerks. That does not absolve you of being creepy.
Seriously, mere rejection isn't enough, apparently there is a need to actively abuse men.
The creeps? Sure. They were supposed to learn this stuff years ago, but refused to then and still refuse now.
Like all living things, people do not grow except in response to pressure of some kind. The relatively gentle pressures of the schoolyard are sufficient for most, but some people dig in their heels, and then sterner measures must be taken.
Both of them. A hitman and his client are held in equal culpability for the homicide they commit together; so it should be with this.
Since when is "society has a legitimate right and need to expect a certain level of functionality from its members, and you don't measure up" mental gymnastics?
I doubt this guy is master of anything. Especially not his domain, but I digress.
Aww, mad to discover that even the geeks never really wanted you around, and only tolerated you out of misguided pity?
Eww, creepy.
This is why you can't get a date.
Pretending like you weren't bullied for a good reason I see?
No, actually. The reason for my ostracism wasn't exactly the same as yours, but it was close enough for most purposes. I also faced some bullying -even fair targets can be treated unfairly- but really, most of it what happened to me was as fair for me as it was for you.
The process of coming to understand this was extremely unpleasant. Having been in your position, I don't envy you. But there was no other way I was ever going to learn. Just like there's no other way for you. You've had years to prove it, like I did.
Just like creeps need to be put in their place so nerds and geeks need to understand that their social inadequacy is not acceptable in the real world.
Still no. I was basically one of Those Geeks, just as you are. I need to be clear about this: the geek community was founded by the unfairly targeted, and only co-opted for abuse by the fair targets later. Most of us are just fine, even though some of us are not. But the ones who aren't are the ones who ruin everything for everybody.
They need to learn to interact normally with people just like everyone else.
There is no "just like": society can withstand quite a large range of social interaction and function. This is perhaps one of the hardest lessons I had to learn, as, I suspect, it is for you: that just because my behavior and interactions were unacceptable doesn't mean that there's only one acceptable way to behave or interact. But there are boundaries.
The bar is low, but it exists, and it is necessary. Only once I understood all three parts of that sentence could I even begin to improve things, by improving myself. And so it is, I suspect, for you as well.
Everything you say is true as far as it goes, but I'm not sure it's useful. The incels start hearing it and tune out. If you want to get through to them in any sense, you have to use something they won't just ignore right away.
I always preferred the term "bitter unfuckables" to "incels" for that reason, but using their own chosen name is a good way to delay the argument, offering more opportunity to hit the right nerves.
Not remotely. There are indeed plenty of nerds who are unfairly bullied. The community formed around them.
But in the process, we forgot something important: bullying and fair ostracism aren't the same thing. To be fair, we weren't the only ones who forgot this. It was a time when everyone had. But it makes little difference in the end: we wound up letting people into our midst that we shouldn't have, and they ruined it for everyone just as they ruined everything else they'd been part of. And now, if we're to salvage the geek community at all, there's little choice but to put them back where they belong, which is outside. Because that is the only way they will ever learn.
They wanted to sink this movie because having the relevance and power to actually do that would make them feel like men.
It's more that geeks have become sick and tired of Those Geeks. You know the type: the ones who weren't bullied for being different so much as ostracized for being creepy, and ran to the all-ostracism-is-evil crowd to escape the social pressure to grow that they so desperately needed? They've abused our generosity long enough, and it's time to put them back on the outside where they always belonged.
I tend to define it a little differently, though in practice I'm not sure how much difference it makes. Incels: creepy men who refuse to accept that their inability to get a date is all their fault.
Not really. I'm really more of an opportunist than anything else; I don't go out of my way to find them, I just snipe when the chance crosses my path. I also don't have to go out of my way to find them, given their increasing crises for the relevance that they don't deserve and aren't ready for.
Not nerds: manchildren. There's a difference.
Truth be told, I don't think almost anyone on either side spends any actual money for their side. Slacktivism wins in the end.
But it does go to show how ridiculous and impotent the incels' efforts are. They can't sink a movie even when they sink its reviews. They really should forget this ridiculous nonsense and just grow the fuck up already. Then people might actually want them around for once.
This is why you can't get a date.
Carbon storage. Even if you remove the carbon from the atmosphere it has to go somewhere. Turn the old coal mines into coal vaults, and you solve that problem at least partially.
The hell of it is, I more or less agree on all this. It still does not constitute a license to be a jerk.
Maybe the people shouting "white males not welcome" are ruining it for everybody?
They certainly do, when they show up. I haven't seen them around these parts, though.
People say there's no such thing as "reverse discrimination," but when you attempt to enforce inclusivity by excluding certain groups, you're a hypocrite.
I agree completely. The current sociological lexicon is peppered with self-serving bullshit from people seeking a license to treat their personally-disfavored groups like crap without consequence.
Very little of that plays into why nobody wants you around, though. You're just a jerk.
Typical creep behavior. You get told you're ruining things for everybody, and so the nice things you abused are being taken away, and what do you do? Whine about somehow being "the real victim" despite being the only ones who did anything wrong, and vow to continue ruining things for everybody.
This is why nobody wants you around.
And really, this is why sites shouldn't be taking these features away, just banning the creeps (or better yet, shadowbanning them) and wiping out their votes/posts/other work. Not because of "free speech", but because it is a better approximation of the ostracism that these people need in order to grow as people.
Yet another nice thing that the creeps and trolls and other abusers have ruined for everybody. Why can't they just grow up?
Brie Larson? Misandrist? I suppose it's possible, but this would be the first I've heard of it. I've known a couple of actual misandrists, and I can't say I've seen any similarities to Brie Larson.
I admit to not being an aficionado of Captain Marvel, but I've also seen no indications of Carol Danvers being more of a Mary Sue than any other superhero. Heck; the original Mar-Vell seems to fit the trope more closely, which would make Danvers an improvement.
How lucky for me, then, that I've been happily married for longer than you've likely been alive. I don't need to get anyone else to sleep with me.
Also, um, "poetry"? Huh?
I mean, if you want
Poems written to mock you
Then I guess I could