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ryuzaki0
on from the come-one-come-all dept.
Blorgo wrote in with the
news that Pacific HiTech has announced the bundling of IBM's DB2 Universal Database with TurboLinux. IBM is just rolling in the news today. It also appears that the companies have also agreed to work on future editions of both work together more smoothly.
IBM releasing Visual Age Java for Linux
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Anonymous Coward
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From LinuxToday today, IBM has a plan to release VAJ on Linux. Java sure needs to get faster on Linux -- the latest Volano marks were pathetic. Then again, the fastest JVMs were from IBM, slightly slower that the (compiled) TowerJ marks (on Linux). IBM made Java on Windows speedy, I wonder what they can do with Linux, having the source code available...
Pacific Hi(on-drugs)Tech
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Anonymous Coward
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While sauntering through the microsoft software section of Best Denki's CompuTown, I noticed that Pacific HiTech's Linux distrbution was priced higher than *ALL* of the Microsoft operating system products. It was placed right there next to the Windows NT/98 for all creation to see, almost like someone was instructed to put it there. I mean the majority of the oddball brands where positioned else where. It was almost as if someone was sending a little "Use Microsfot or Else!" message to the browsing consumer.
Now, I don't know if some counter boy went fscking nutz, adding a few extra zeros onto the pricing gun or if Microsoft/Softbank has a secret-handshake deal with Best Dinke to make Linux look price uncompetitive and hard to use, but something was definetyly went really wrong somewhere in this particular corner of reality...
I do know that if you wandered down a floor, you can pick up 3 seperate magazines with Pacific HiTech's *LATEST* linux distrbution for less than the price of an obento and a beer (about $10 after the national 5% sales tax)
The Microsoft brand of fun and games have just begun over here and considering the wide, early deployment of FreeBSD, I believe Microsoft's back in kinda' up against the wall with respect to the Japanese market. 200.00yen for Win98... What kinda' crack is MS Japan smoking anyway? Oh well, not like the Japanese consumer isn't conditioned to getting it up the rear-end anyway. No wonder they're in a recession over here...
Re:Pacific Hi(on-drugs)Tech
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craigoda
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In the US TurboLinux 3.0.1 is USD 49. In Japan, it is about the same price for TurboLinux 3.0 Japanese.
There are other products, one is a server and the other is TurboLinux Pro that incorporates a commercial office suite. These are more expensive. There is more information on both Japanese products at http://www.turbolinux.com/products/in dex.html
Anyone know why IBM chose PHT?
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Paul+Crowley
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IBM's announcement makes it pretty clear that Pacific HiTech's TurboLinux is to be their distribution of choice for the near future, meaning most likely that when IBM ship Linux boxes, that's the distribution they'll run.
Does anyone know - or can anyone guess - why IBM would choose this relatively little-known distribution over more obvious candidates like Red Hat, SuSE, or Debian? --
TurboLinux/Japanese is the only distribution of Linux I've ever found that can advertise complete Japanese language support. The installation and management desktop for root (running Afterstep) is in Japanese. The package tool, turbopkg, is quite handy and can pull updated RPMs off of PHT's FTP server. I've given the CD (English version) to many people in my dorm (mostly Linux newbies) and all agree that it's easy to install -- after forcing most of them to try Slackware, Caldera, and RedHat.:)
Most importantly, it stays out of your face like Slackware, but it has a nice set of console-based tools to help you administer your system.
My brand-spanking-new copy of SuSE 6.1 includes DB2 (beta version), along with Sybase ASE (full version), Informix (developer license), and ADABAS-D (Personal Edition). It also has MySQL and PostgreSQL packages just to round things out...
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-- Oh, no! You have walked into the slavering fangs of a lurking grue!
Looking at the press release, it states that IBM will be optimising DB2 for "TurboLinux", not Linux, "TurboLinux". Is this an oversight, a typo, or is it the start of companies targetting specific distributions and the beginning of the fragmentation of the linux market.
It just means that it's free software bundled with proprietary software. Red Hat's inclusion of Metro X did no harm, and this won't either. As long as you only install DB2 once, you can still use the install disk on many machines.
Maybe they can add some good Java support as well.
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JohnnyCannuk
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IBM has really been pushing Java a solution as well for some time. I hope the combination of Linux, DB2 and Java (and Apache!) could make one kick as distibuted/internet computing platform. Maybe they can also help Java get a little faster. To hell with the nay sayers in the last 2 posts. This combined with the DX anouncement looks incredible for the future of non-MS solutions. I'm so excited I could....well I'm fairly excited.
-- Never by hatred has hatred been appeased, only by kindness - the Buddha
Why doesn't anyone post pricing when they make big announcements like this?
Where I work, we use some very large DB2 databases. It'd be nice to have some idea of what it would cost to put together a learning system at home - and if TurboLinux stays near the $200 price range, with DB2 added, that'd be a great deal.
I don't really expect that to be the case, but I'd love to see some sort of personal use license, or a developmental-use license, especially for this version.
IBM/TurboLinux/Database Devel....
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Accipiter
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I, for one, am happy to see IBM back Linux the way they have been. When a major corporation pushes something with full force, other companies are sure to take notice, and maybe follow suit.
For now, Linux poses only a marginal threat to Windows NT as the No. 1 software platform for the servers that run computer networks.
I would venture a guess that Linux poses a bit more than a MARGINAL threat. Maybe something along the lines of.....oh, I don't know.....DIRECT COMPETITION?
``It takes more than just an operating system to run a computing environment effectively,''
That's absolutely correct. With more and more companies (Like IBM) backing Linux, the valuable applications will be/are being developed, giving Linux more of an edge in the market.
``In the Linux space, the No. 1 prerequisite is database software, and IBM has the No. 1 position in the database market,''
So guess what? Hot Dog IBM meets Hot Rod Linux, and cranks out a Bad-Ass product that dominates the market, and convinces more people to try the alternative.
Sounds good to me.
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IBM is a good citizen in the Open Source world
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Jeffrey+Baker
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I really like the way IBM is contributing to Open Source software. Instead of trying to use the time of developers for free, IBM is actually contributing to many prjects in useful ways. They are doing this in places where they know that the open software is going to help their business.
One case is the Perl DBI driver for DB2. IBM is directly involved in developing DBD::DB2, they support it, and the code is free. They do this becuase they recognize that most want to mix and match web servers with databases, and Perl is a great way to talk to the database from Apache, IIS, or a CGI environment.
Also, IBM has contributed in significant ways to the Apache project, and they have a considerable presence in the java development community.
I say hooray for IBM, they are showing the world how Open Source software and proprietary software can interact simbiotically in a profitable business.
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From LinuxToday today, IBM has a plan to release VAJ on Linux. Java sure needs to get faster on Linux -- the latest Volano marks were pathetic. Then again, the fastest JVMs were from IBM, slightly slower that the (compiled) TowerJ marks (on Linux). IBM made Java on Windows speedy, I wonder what they can do with Linux, having the source code available...
While sauntering through the microsoft software section of Best Denki's CompuTown, I noticed that Pacific HiTech's Linux distrbution was priced higher than *ALL* of the Microsoft operating system products. It was placed right there next to the Windows NT/98 for all creation to see, almost like someone was instructed to put it there. I mean the majority of the oddball brands where positioned else where. It was almost as if someone was sending a little "Use Microsfot or Else!" message to the browsing consumer.
Now, I don't know if some counter boy went fscking nutz, adding a few extra zeros onto the pricing gun or if Microsoft/Softbank has a secret-handshake deal with Best Dinke to make Linux look price uncompetitive and hard to use, but something was definetyly went really wrong somewhere in this particular corner of reality...
I do know that if you wandered down a floor, you can pick up 3 seperate magazines with Pacific HiTech's *LATEST* linux distrbution for less than the price of an obento and a beer (about $10 after the national 5% sales tax)
The Microsoft brand of fun and games have just begun over here and considering the wide, early deployment of FreeBSD, I believe Microsoft's back in kinda' up against the wall with respect to the Japanese market. 200.00yen for Win98... What kinda' crack is MS Japan smoking anyway? Oh well, not like the Japanese consumer isn't conditioned to getting it up the rear-end anyway. No wonder they're in a recession over here...
IBM's announcement makes it pretty clear that Pacific HiTech's TurboLinux is to be their distribution of choice for the near future, meaning most likely that when IBM ship Linux boxes, that's the distribution they'll run.
Does anyone know - or can anyone guess - why IBM would choose this relatively little-known distribution over more obvious candidates like Red Hat, SuSE, or Debian?
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Has anyone actually tried this distro? They claim to have sold a Million (!!!) copies last year, which IIRC is more than RedHat.
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My brand-spanking-new copy of SuSE 6.1 includes DB2 (beta version), along with Sybase ASE (full version), Informix (developer license), and ADABAS-D (Personal Edition). It also has MySQL and PostgreSQL packages just to round things out...
--
Oh, no! You have walked into the slavering fangs of a lurking grue!
Looking at the press release, it states that IBM will be optimising DB2 for "TurboLinux", not Linux, "TurboLinux". Is this an oversight, a typo, or is it the start of companies targetting specific distributions and the beginning of the fragmentation of the linux market.
This *could* be very bad.
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It just means that it's free software bundled with proprietary software. Red Hat's inclusion of Metro X did no harm, and this won't either. As long as you only install DB2 once, you can still use the install disk on many machines.
IBM has really been pushing Java a solution as well for some time. I hope the combination of Linux, DB2 and Java (and Apache!) could make one kick as distibuted/internet computing platform. Maybe they can also help Java get a little faster. To hell with the nay sayers in the last 2 posts. This combined with the DX anouncement looks incredible for the future of non-MS solutions. I'm so excited I could....well I'm fairly excited.
Never by hatred has hatred been appeased, only by kindness - the Buddha
Why doesn't anyone post pricing when they make big announcements like this?
Where I work, we use some very large DB2 databases. It'd be nice to have some idea of what it would cost to put together a learning system at home - and if TurboLinux stays near the $200 price range, with DB2 added, that'd be a great deal.
I don't really expect that to be the case, but I'd love to see some sort of personal use license, or a developmental-use license, especially for this version.
For now, Linux poses only a marginal threat to Windows NT as the No. 1 software platform for the servers that run computer networks.
I would venture a guess that Linux poses a bit more than a MARGINAL threat. Maybe something along the lines of.....oh, I don't know.....DIRECT COMPETITION?
``It takes more than just an operating system to run a computing environment effectively,''
That's absolutely correct. With more and more companies (Like IBM) backing Linux, the valuable applications will be/are being developed, giving Linux more of an edge in the market.
``In the Linux space, the No. 1 prerequisite is database software, and IBM has the No. 1 position in the database market,''
So guess what? Hot Dog IBM meets Hot Rod Linux, and cranks out a Bad-Ass product that dominates the market, and convinces more people to try the alternative.
Sounds good to me.
-- Give him Head? Be a Beacon?
-- Give him Head? Be a Beacon? :P)
(If you can't figure out how to E-Mail me, Don't.
One case is the Perl DBI driver for DB2. IBM is directly involved in developing DBD::DB2, they support it, and the code is free. They do this becuase they recognize that most want to mix and match web servers with databases, and Perl is a great way to talk to the database from Apache, IIS, or a CGI environment.
Also, IBM has contributed in significant ways to the Apache project, and they have a considerable presence in the java development community.
I say hooray for IBM, they are showing the world how Open Source software and proprietary software can interact simbiotically in a profitable business.
-jwb