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RIAA Plans to Allow Portable MP3 Players

Bocephus writes "CNET news.com reports in this story that the RIAA, despite its Secure Digital Music Initiative project, will allow MP3 to continue to exist so that portables like the Rio or Nomad may play MP3s. However, MP3s ripped from new CDs will be unusable if downloaded from the Net. " Yeah, essentially the RIAA is saying that current players can still play ones, even the existing illegal ones, once specs from the recording industry has been made. I wonder how long it's going to take them to figure out that they lost.

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  1. Well within their rights by slim · · Score: 4
    I reckon they're well within their rights; they can distribute CDs with whatever copy protection they choose, and we should respect the licence under which they choose to distribute the music.


    In turn, we can choose not to buy their CDs, because we are not happy with the licence -- and instead listen to those artists who realise they no longer need major record labels in order to reach an audience, but who publish straight to the net.


    I'm looking forward to the day when alternative music radio DJs (i.e. the ones who aren't already part of the Sony/Warner/whatever hype machine) start discovering legal MP3s on the net, playing them on the radio, and paying the artists royalties.
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  2. Re:Are you sure they've lost? (Watermarking) by Vryl · · Score: 5

    I can defeat digimark entirely withing photoshop using digimark.

    The Tao Of Hacking Digimark

    1. filter/noise/median until the watermark is defeated. Actually, anything will do. Sometimes I do an add noise as well. Basically just defeat the water mark at this stage.

    2. Add a new watermark at the highest setting/lowest image quality

    3 superimpose over the top of the original, adjusting the opacity until you get a near perfect picture with no watermark


    simple really, with nealy indistinguishable results. picture looks great, no watermark, takes about 5 minutes, and a little bit of judgement.


  3. Re:Are you sure they've lost? (Watermarking) by Betcour · · Score: 4

    Problem is, you can't put a different watermark on every CD you produce. Since all CDs are perfect copy, they would all carry the same watermark. So what this watermark would be good for ? To know that a MP3 files has been ripped from a CD ? You already know that. Even if the watermark is different for every CD, there will be no link between the watermark and the CD buyer, so you can't use it to prevent piracy.

    To me watermarking is only good when selling music online, because you can put the name of the buyer in the watermark. But for CD it is really useless.

  4. Your time is gonna come... by Evro · · Score: 5
    I don't see how the RIAA is going to enforce their new stuff. If there is even one machine in the new crop of MP3 players that will allow the playback of non-RIAA-approved MP3s, their entire effort will fail. For example, I would expect whatever device I eventually buy to play all my current MP3s. Well, I still have all the programs I used to encode those (that were mine, anyway), so if the machine will read old files, it's going to have to read new files coded the same way.

    The only ace I can see up the RIAA's sleeve is Sony. They seem to be the only member who has the know-how to make anything decent. But who would buy something that doesn't work with existing MP3s? Especially knowing the type of people who use MP3 -- Slashdot types and other college students with fat pipes (Ethernet, of course, not crack pipes...) -- who seem to hate the RIAA and what it stands for. Even the casual MP3 listener will be infuriated when, after spending $150 on that new Sony MP3 player, he finds all his MP3s are useless because of the RIAA.

    The RIAA seems to thrive on making enemies. Personally, I don't think I'm ever going to give up CDs in favor of MP3s. I can still hear differences between the original CD and the MP3, even encoded at 192, sometimes even higher. I've downloaded plenty of songs, and the ones that I like I eventually buy. The ones I don't like get trashed, and the "ehh" ones linger around my HD for a while before eventually being tossed. I think MP3 is the ultimate try-before-you-buy for music.

    If the RIAA was REALLY worried about MP3, why don't they just lower the prices of CDs? If they cut the average price of a CD from $18 (or whatever fscking ridiculous price it is nowadays) to something like $8, there would be a huge buying spike. If they'd stop being so greedy they might be able to save themselves. But, of course, there's little chance of that happening in an organization comprised of such behemoths as Sony and Columbia (same company?) and the other record companies.

    And it'll be their downfall, I tell you.

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    Evan

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  5. Are you sure they've lost? (Watermarking) by Rayban · · Score: 5

    Hmm... I'm not totally sure that the RIAA has lost in this case. Watermarking CD's is a VERY effective way to superimpose information on top of a song without it being audible, and without compromising the information if the song is encoded into an MP3 or whatever.

    I tried playing around with various methods to defeat JPEG watermarking, but even stuff like embossing a picture doesn't get rid of it. The only way to beat it would be to go back to the FFT of the image and attempt to restore it.

    The audio watermarking is similar to this and won't be easy to defeat. Someone will have to write a program to actually go and remove the FFT components that they've stored the information in.

    If you have a chance, use Corel Photopaint to load a JPG and use the watermarking feature and take a look at the FFT of the image before and after. You can see the spectral components of the information fairly easily.

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  6. Copy Protection in this case: Impossible by Jerf · · Score: 5
    No one needs 100% copy protection. Most people are happy with 99%. For instance, the Playstation crack: You need to install a new chip into the Playstation, about as complicated as you can get. How many people actually do that? (Considering you're a Slashdot reader, the answer may well be "All my friends", but Sony is more worried about the general public, not a fringe group they can't stop anyhow).

    In the Playstation case, the difficulty is to crack a system. The difficulty that the RIAA faces here is that once a song is cracked, that song can be distributed endlessly, through already established channels. Moreover, there is a huge established demand for this. I really don't see how they can prevent the MP3 community from making illegal copies of music using already capable hardware. Since you can't mandate the replacement of the millions of CD players out there, what can you do?

    Finally, it is virtually certain that cracking these things will be a matter of running something through some program written by a cracker after ripping it with one of the millions of CD readers that can currently rip CDs.

    The cat is out of the bag, and they could only have what they want if they can go back in time and modify all the hardware. It's too late to implement a new hardware standard (years too late), and all software can be cracked, probably relatively easily. In fact, I bet there would a race of sorts amoung the ripper-programmers to see who could be the first to get the crack in.

  7. Non-technical people making technical decisions. by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 5
    Perhaps a slight flame, but this reminds me of the disaster recovery group at my own company. You have people who are completely non-technical trying to drive technical solutions. In this case, the RIAA wants all sorts of ridiculous things. What we see is the stuff that is halfway filtered after the technical people they consult say "that's impossible". I'm sure the raw and uncut demands going around inside the RIAA are even more amusing.


    I had to vent a little there, sorry. The point being that these 'solutions' are not being technically driven, and they are trying to fix something that, from the broad perspective, only they think is broken. But it is everyone else who they have to change to scratch their itch. The mindset seems to parallel with the people who want to censor the Internet.