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Where is the Oldest PC In Use?
the_tsi writes "Dell has a contest to find the oldest PC still in service at a small business. The winner gets $15K worth of new computers, and their old PC donated to the Computer Museum of America. " Cute idea actually.
I have played with Apple ][ emulators and they work great. Tarballs full of the old classic warez images are available just for looking. The only problem is playing games as they run hundreds of times faster than reasonable.
However, I would prefer the actual Apple box as they are solid pieces of equipment. If I had one, I knew it would last forever. The schematics are available and they have the basic TTL parts, so any repairs would be trivial by anyone with basic troubleshooting experience.
I have two SYM-1 (cousins of the Kim 1) single board 'personal' computers. Do they qualify if I write a little program on them (using the hex keypad, of course) to record sales at a lemonade stand? They are much older than those 'fancy' newer PCs that have ASCII keyboards and screens. I believe they date from about 1978. (one of them I bought complete, in the original carton, at a swapmeet a few years back for $10)
I'm not sure I would trade them for the big bux, though. They're as obsolete as they're ever going to get. (and still they're even upgradable- I believe there are unfilled sockets to add an additional 6K of RAM on both of them) The new hardware can only go down in value from this point on.
I've been meaning to hook them together and write some sort of deathmatch game to play between them. Maybe a Doom clone or something. They're probably not powerful enough (6502 with 2K of RAM) to run anything Quakelike.
Melbert
In the last day or so, I've received inquiries from someone using a Canon Cat (Early work processor) and from someone still using an Epson HC-40 (early portable CP/M machine.)
They contacted me because of my classic computer collection.
There are, however, still plenty of people out there using Altairs and Model 100's and GRiD's and all the other well-known and not-so-well-known personal computers, probably going all the way back to the very first.
Not everyone has succombed to the idea that if it isn't the latest and greatest computer hardware and software, it doesn't work. I drive a 1959 Land Rover; it still gets me where I want to go. Likewise, a lot of people still use computers that do what they need to do without the cost, complexity, and learning curve that newer machines represent.
Unfortunately, Dell is ignoring the fact that the IBM PC and its successors more than anything else to destroy the innovation, creativity, and variety that had existed previously in the computer industry. Very few desktop "PC's" are collectible; virtually none would be of interest to a museum of any quality or reputation.
If you really want to see older computers, come to the Vintage Computer Festival this fall.
Stupid people will be persecuted to the fullest extent allowed by law.
So, Dell is looking for the oldest PC still in service so it can be made into a museum exhibit (and thus *stop* being in service). This is like looking for the oldest tree alive so it can be chopped down and put on display.
But I'm sure the oldest PC won't be a PC-compatible. I see Apple ]['s, C64s, and Atari 800's still in use from time to time, and I'm sure even older machines are out there.
Must be a small business (400 employees.)
Must have proof of date-of-purchase of the computer.
I think this is going to be a tough one to pull a sting on. Just having to show proof of owning a business license for the same business since the late 1970's is going to eliminate most.
You don't really think anything other than an Altair or the like is going to win, right?
Jack
Posted by gtv:
of course the real reason Dell is doing this is to generate a list of small business customers that it can try to sell new equipment to. it would cost a lot more than $15K to generate such a list through other means.
just last week, i kid you not,
we finally shut down and got rid
of a slew of personal IRISes that date
back to before 1978 and some SGI NC
computers from back then too.. I
actually used one of those 2, 5, and 8Mhz
SGIs as a dumb terminal last year till
it caught fire while i was out of the
office one day (all the dust over the
years and a hard drive on its last leg
generating more heat than an overclocked
PII under a magnifying glass in the Sahara
finally did it in).
-Z
I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going.
I can't help thinking this is a bit of a double edged sword. Just think about it for a minute. You have a machine that's been running for over 20 years. It's not doing anything that's going to need to scale -- if it was, it would have done so long ago. It's not unreliable, or it would have been replaced by now. No, what we have here is a machine that's perfectly suited to the task in hand.
In comes Dell and replaces your trusty, fully working machine, with a shiny new PC running Windows bloatware, and takes away your old working one. The PC crashes every couple of weeks, and will be useless in a couple of years, and need replacing anyway.
Sure, you could replace Windows with Linux / FreeBSD / whatever, but the MTBF on modern PC components means the machine will probably break long before it manages another 20 years.
My advice: stick with your existing machine. It does all that you want already, so why change it?
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
Back at my old university in udine, Italy people are still whispering to each other about this wonderful computer locked away in some top secret research area that actually displays graphics and runs mosaic... The rest of course are surfing in flourescent green with lynx, on dumb terminals connected with sticky tape to some old vax.
What some might not realise is that a lot of old underfunded universities or indeed loads of old fashioned firms in not very IT minded areas of the world have crappy old systems. So I wouldn't be surprised if the winner was some company in the third world somewhere.
Which leads to the question of wether the gigantic amounts of old computer parts we're producing each time we upgrade wouldn't actually be *very* useful to people in other countries...
I implemented a phonebook on some early PDP computer a few years ago and it was lots of fun sitting in front of the DECwriter. It's surprising that that was only two or three years ago.
If you want to learn more about old computers (not just PCs, though the definition of PC is vague at best), there's plenty of resources out there;