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Mozilla M7 - Ready for the War
jonMC writes "Ok, not quite Netscape, it's Mozilla. M7 release notes are here. You can get the straight goodies from the ftp site. " The release notes also point out that the Full Circle enabled versions allow for error transmission errors back to Netscape - along with "improved crash analysis". Mozilla just keeps looking better.
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What bothers me is the several other articles which claim it's blindingly fast - on this machine it's quite the opposite.
Actually I think that most of the comments about speed are about the speed of HTML & CSS rendering (which is fast), not the speed of browser behaviour, which still is quite slow because of the lack of optimization.
And is there truly no way of setting up a proxy host? I've looked, and I can't find one.
I hear that this has been asked frequently on Mozilla newsgroups. So you'll propably find some answers by searching for it in Deja.com.
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This is the correct URL:
ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/m7/
> One thing that makes me irritated with both M$IE and Navigator is that they were designed for preemptive multitasking
My heart really bleeds and bleeds. When MacOS joins the 70's then all will be happy again.
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
I've had a few problems crashing while playing with the chrome, and once in the Debug frames page, but it's come a very, very long way from M3, at any rate. But overall this is the first apprunner I've run and thought of replacing NS4.6 with for my daily browsing (won't, of course, because right-click isn't enabled, tab-bing through links doesn't work just yet, and window.open isn't implemented yet).
So, so exciting.
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I'm one of those users who has switched to IE. I'm planning to give ns 5 a try though and I think a lot of other recently switched users are planning the same thing.
I think there's a good explanation for ie's bigger marketshare: at this moment it's the better browser. People may not like that because they don't like ms marketing FUD.
Everybody seems to be really enthousiastic about standards support. Most people don't seem to realize that those masses of ns/ie 3.x, 4.x users are not going to go away. In other words running a standards compliant site means excluding all but mozzilla users (unless you don't use the advanced stuff).
I haven't downloaded M7 yet (and I don't think I will). I took a look at M5 though and I think it was very ugly to look at (it worked pretty well though). People have been talking about the browser being so configurable and all but I think it should look cool by default (I'm too lazy to start editing all sorts of files just to change the look and feel). I hope people at netscape will pay attention to this (for example by getting some good graphics people to work on this issue). Right now just about everything is plain ugly: the icons suck, the proportions of buttons and everything suck. Messenger in particular is very ugly. Half of the success of IE is the result of the fact that ms has a better looking browser. Ns 3 was better then ie 3 but ie 3 just looked cooler. Ns 4 was plain ugly and ie 4 looked even more cooler. I think look and feel is a very important aspect of a program and ns should definately improve on this.
Enough with the negative stuff. I think ns 5 will be a very cool program and more importantly, I think there are a lot of people who are thinking the same. Peoples expectations about this browser are very high (standards compliant, small, fast, stable & loaded with cool features). I think people at netscape should be very careful with releasing the browser because the quality of the first release can make it or break it. I expect masses of people to download this thing as soon as its released. It will get lots of attention in the media. If marketed in the right way and if it really is a cool program, ns 5 will probably recover most of its marketshare in the first weeks and will blow away ie in the months after that.
However, I expect microsoft to launch a counter attack at about the same time. They have pretty smart marketing people and they must realize that ns 5 will be a threat to them. So I expect a vastly improved ie 6 round about the same time.
Jilles
I'm working on trying to recreate a bug in mozilla, seemingly only my homecomputer does this. It has been reported to bugzilla but they can't recreate it. I'm asking anybody who also has this problem to contact me with this build and basic system information. (build#/processor/motherboard/memory/internet connection speed/windows version/etc.)
On loading of a url frequently images (and sometimes the pages themselves) are not loading and giving the error. seems to be a timeout error
nsDocumentBindInfo::OnStopBinding: Load of URL 'http://someurl' failed
How exactly do the scroll bars not work. It was my understanding that they finally fixed the scroll bars for M7.?? If the scroll bars don't work in specific cases and you can recreate it on another win box I would suggest reporting it to bugzilla
Well accually it sorta is. Lets say I run command.com and then procede to change to the mozilla bin directory and type apprunner
that command.com (dos box) will start displaying the apprunner messages. seems like sorta a dos protected mode application to me. Or something of the sort. Nothing wrong with that, just kinda odd.
It's not just navigation. It has problems loading images as well. Anything with CSS on it seems to completely throw the browser into a funk. Even simple images don't load all the way. I have yet to see a transparent pixel image load up correctly on any of the test pages that I run. I'm waiting to post a bug report, though, until they fix all the CSS issues.
/very/ fast, the overall functionality still falls well short of what I need in a web browser.
So far, it's 'looking' very nice. However, even though the rendering speed is
*sigh*
Ah, but you must remember that this is still an alpha (or pre-alpha, even?) release. There is still a lot of debugging stuff in the code.
I guess that when those are removed and there is some optimization done, it will be much faster.
Also, at this point (I think) it doesn't do caching correctly, which of course lowers performance.
Wait a few Milestones, I'd say, and then see whether the speed has improved!
And as for the outlook of the browser, that is very much configurable by the new XUL standard. Check out MozillaZine's ChromeZone for more information.
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