Posted by
CowboyNeal
on from the bring-on-the-apps dept.
Code-Fu writes "NetWare is nowhere. That's the word from Lotus Development."
You can read the rest of the story here.
This involves Lotus bringing Domino to Linux, and will probably mean Linux being used in more business settings. I like it.
Re:Netware not app server
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IntlHarvester
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The reason anyone cares at all is that many Lotus cc:Mail shops run on NetWare. Since Lotus is (finally!) killing cc:Mail in favor of Domino, this puts NetWare shops in the position of possibly installing Windows NT, something they do not want to do. Hopefully they'll give the Linux option a run.
(cc:Mail sucks eggs, but until very recently had 30-40% of the corporate e-mail market.)
BTW, not only is this old news as far as the press is concerned (annouced in 1998), it's ancient news in the Lotus world. Domino for NetWare has been a undead product for years. Furthermore, Domino has been running on Solaris x86 for a long time, so Linux support is somewhat obvious. --
NetWare is really nothing special. NDS is what really rocks. And the deal with Novell lately is that they're porting NDS to everything else (NT, Solaris, Linux, & others). So really, aside from server-side java apps, NetWare is out of the application market. Yes, Oracle & some other cool apps run on NetWare, but they won't last. NetWare is a file/print server. Period. Anything else is a stretch. I bet the guys at Novell weren't all that surprised. They had their chance to make it great, but they worked on NDS instead (which was a very good move in my opinion).
It's too bad that Netware gets such a bad rap for it's lack of app server capabilities. NDS *rocks* for managing a large, multisite network for providing stuff like file and print, which, other than providing IP access for web browsing, is what 99.9% of corporate desktops use. I wouldn't dream of doing it with NT domains (ick) or NIS/YP (ick).
Besides, most Novell sites use Groupwise anyway, and probably wouldn't be interested in Notes or Domino or whatever it is (and does..)
I lambasted a Novell Sr. Coroporate Business strategist about their lack of Linux support (ie, put Netware file & print on Linux ala Caldera), and he told me that they will be releasing NDS 8 for linux this fall but they see the trend as embedded devices, not multipurpose OSs. In other words, you plug in a storage device, front-panel config basic info and do the rest in the NDS management application.
I think it's a stupid play, personally, but that's their line. I think they're just too proud to give up on Netware as *some* kind of App server.
When I think of Lotus, I think of...
by
ed_the_unready
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...the last company to abandon disk-based copy protection, which did virtually nothing to hinder illegal copying but routinely punished paying customers, ...asinine 'look-and-feel' lawsuits against VIP, Paperback and ultimately Borland. The first two were driven from the market, QuattroPro operated under a legal cloud for years while Windows and Excel took the market. Lotus had the gall to complement Microsoft during the trial, for using macro translators instead of direct menu and macro compatibility, ...OS/2 ports that were so horrid and dysfunctional as to beggar the imagination, ...IBM's OS/2 support drying up and disappearing almost to the day that they acquired Lotus. No more Visualizer clients for OS/2 DB/2, the new DB/2 client became Approach...for Windows95. WTF?
Lotus has an extensive history for being far more trouble than they're worth. Leave them to be the bottom feeders in the Microsoft owned market they vigorously helped create. ---------------------
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The reason anyone cares at all is that many Lotus cc:Mail shops run on NetWare. Since Lotus is (finally!) killing cc:Mail in favor of Domino, this puts NetWare shops in the position of possibly installing Windows NT, something they do not want to do. Hopefully they'll give the Linux option a run.
(cc:Mail sucks eggs, but until very recently had 30-40% of the corporate e-mail market.)
BTW, not only is this old news as far as the press is concerned (annouced in 1998), it's ancient news in the Lotus world. Domino for NetWare has been a undead product for years. Furthermore, Domino has been running on Solaris x86 for a long time, so Linux support is somewhat obvious.
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It's too bad that Netware gets such a bad rap for it's lack of app server capabilities. NDS *rocks* for managing a large, multisite network for providing stuff like file and print, which, other than providing IP access for web browsing, is what 99.9% of corporate desktops use. I wouldn't dream of doing it with NT domains (ick) or NIS/YP (ick).
Besides, most Novell sites use Groupwise anyway, and probably wouldn't be interested in Notes or Domino or whatever it is (and does..)
I lambasted a Novell Sr. Coroporate Business strategist about their lack of Linux support (ie, put Netware file & print on Linux ala Caldera), and he told me that they will be releasing NDS 8 for linux this fall but they see the trend as embedded devices, not multipurpose OSs. In other words, you plug in a storage device, front-panel config basic info and do the rest in the NDS management application.
I think it's a stupid play, personally, but that's their line. I think they're just too proud to give up on Netware as *some* kind of App server.
...the last company to abandon disk-based copy protection, which did virtually nothing to hinder illegal copying but routinely punished paying customers,
...asinine 'look-and-feel' lawsuits against VIP, Paperback and ultimately Borland. The first two were driven from the market, QuattroPro operated under a legal cloud for years while Windows and Excel took the market. Lotus had the gall to complement Microsoft during the trial, for using macro translators instead of direct menu and macro compatibility,
...OS/2 ports that were so horrid and dysfunctional as to beggar the imagination,
...IBM's OS/2 support drying up and disappearing almost to the day that they acquired Lotus. No more Visualizer clients for OS/2 DB/2, the new DB/2 client became Approach...for Windows95. WTF?
Lotus has an extensive history for being far more trouble than they're worth. Leave them to be the bottom feeders in the Microsoft owned market they vigorously helped create.
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