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Enlightenment now KDE compliant
teraflop user writes "The Enlightenment window manager now works with KDE, along with a load of other window managers. If you want to run the same window manager under Gnome and KDE, you now have several choices, including E, Blackbox and WindowMaker.
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"...adding esoteric stuff or eye-candy that a power user would find useful."
This is not the definition of a power user. Instead, they are interested in tools, lots of tools, at both low and medium levels. They are also interested in fiddling with settings.
"Ask a gnome fan why he prefers gnome to kde and you would hear stuff about enlightenment themes."
Enlightenment is not a part of Gnome. This is like saying you prefer the L.A. freeways over the Bay Area freeways because you drive a Ferrari. A non sequitur.
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The diffrence between a "window manager" and a "Desktop environment" is that the "desktop environment" includes a window manager, as well as a bunch of other applications that use the same widget styles.
I use KDE, but it has some real annoying bugs. I'm using 1.1, tell me if they're fixed in 1.2. When you have the phone connectivity I have, you don't download the latest and greatest every day, and frankly you also get tired of watching your software versions like a hawk anyhow. But I digress...
Session management: you can't save your session whenever you like, only when you quit. There is no option NOT to save your session when you do quit. Not like session management in any desktop environment, whether win (explorer windows), CDE, gnome, or kde has ever been anything more than a joke anyhow, so I never really use it and would like to keep it off.
Desktop pager: It constantly loses all but the first two desktops. The remaining two lose their names.
Panel: No usable web browser button on the panel. Something like CDE's sdtwebclient would be nice, which uses netscape -remote, or some similar voodoo with hotjava.
Tooltips: Those damn useless tooltips for those equally useless desktop folders pop up unbidden and over any foreground window when the mouse just grazes one, and don't go AWAY unless you "swat" them away with the mouse. Major annoyance, and I can't seem to disable them.
General dumbness: The CD player applet from the panel really amazes me. Click it, it launches. Click play, it plays the CD. Okay, nice. Now click it again, and it launches a NEW instance. Close the rogue instance and it stops the playback. DUH. If there's ever a use for KUniqueApp, this one is *it*.
Help in most apps: the content usually isn't too great, but also, clicking help several times launches multiple instances. Should only be one help instance per app (with an option to clone off the help window)
The notepad app: triple-click doesn't work. Triple click (and sometimes quadruple click) are nice features that work across many text editors including notepad on win and emacs on *nix. Minor annoyance, but enough to really irk me (since i copy and paste lines all the time). The toolbar buttons are also really miniscule.
Bug reporting: it's arcane and bureacratic, relying on specially formatted emails. Some bugs have remained open for over a year now. So I just gripe here instead.
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
Does this mean that the information from gnome hints will actually interact with those from kde hints? I mean, if you're running gnome with enlightenment and need the gnome hints (say for gnome pager) but instead of gmc you want to run kfm (which needs kde hints) would it work?
PS. Even though I've programmed gnome stuff before I've never even TOUCHED window manager stuff so if I don't know what I'm talking about......be nice....
Why should E support KDE? It works well on its own. And if you feel more confortable with a desktop environment around your window manager, the GNOME should certainly be enough.
Here is a suggestion:
No, this is not only a flamebait (I am fully aware of the usual flamewars between GNOME and KDE). I am thinking about this seriously. Currently, several companies are reluctant about developing for GNOME because of the GNU GPL (this is the same for KDE, although the problems with the license are different). If GNOME was released under a BSD license, I am sure that these companies would not be reluctant anymore. And then the number of good applications would increase.
Before you object about the fact that these applications would be closed-source, I must say that they do not have to be. But the developers and their bosses would be able to choose, and thus they will not be reluctant to at least look at GNOME and start coding something. And if some very good applications are released under a closed-source license, it will probably not take long before someone implements an open-source equivalent.
Currently, the licenses on GNOME and KDE are only encouraging the fragmentation of the Linux desktop.
you have the *ability* to make it look like a nintendo console.
you also have the ability to make your desktop look like Mac, windows, amiga, SGI, startrek, WindowMaker, or whatever else you want...
If E looks like nintendo, that's because you set it up that way.
Some at one point in the brilliant future in which Open Source rules totally, you'll have the choice of OS (Linux, Sun, BSD, etc.), the choice of GUI (KDE, Gnome, etc.) and the choice of winmanagers.
It sure beats trying to pass freedom as the ability to change fonts, colours and wallpaper!
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I found easily mappable keys and the fast Eterms have kept me an enlightened user for many moons. I hope the good work continues as I see nice enhancements with each compile. E has come a long way since I first tried it in its snazzy version a few years ago. It was one of the reasons why I found Linux inspiring.
KDE is not for newbies and Gnome is not for power users. Both are great for either group. Currently, Gnome is "prettier" but this will change with KDE2.0. At the user level, there's just not much difference. Underneath they have differing architectures which will appeal to different developers. Someone from the KDE group (can't remember who) said that the real power of Gnome and KDE is NOT their interface, but that they are development platforms in disguise. ps. Not all Gnome libs are LGPL. There are a couple that are plain GPL.
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The default window manager is kwm. To use another window manager, you will need to do a tiny bit of work on your .xinitrc.
Take a look at the KDE manuals as well as the specific window manager's manuals. These should give you the clues you need.
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Ok, Windowmaker is the official window manager of the GNUstep project. Does it just use the obj-C libs by default or is GNUstep(the enviroment) running underneth it? Is GNUstep an enviroment like KDE and GNOME? If so Do you run Windowmaker on top of GNUstep on top of KDE/GNOME when you use it with them?
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I think I should point out to people who are trying out 0.15 with KDE that the 0.16 release is what will be KDE compliant. We're approaching a feature-freeze right now - and like always I won't give a release date because I usually bite myself in the ass, but I can at least say the feature set has slowed down to allow for bugfixes for 0.16 release
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