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German Law Firm claims Linux Trademark
Andreas Spengler writes "Apparently
a german lawfirm has filed a claim with the
german patent office for the trademark Linux
in Germany.
It's still unknown what their goal is.
" The article is in German, as one would expect. Babelfish the article.
"As can be read in today's Heise Newsticker, we are currently registering a trademark for the name Linux at the German Patent Office in Munich. That is correct. The articel has lead to high tides and now we are partly alleged of having the intention to steal the trademark or gain advantages in any way out of this step.
We certainly realize that we cannot claim the trademark Linux, because it represents the community. If at all, it is the right of Linus Torvalds to claim the trademark. Furthermore, we realize, that we, even if we succeeded, wouldn't make many friends in the Linux community.
We have however heard rumors about another company exactly trying to do this. First we couldn't believe that the trademark Linux wasn't registered in Germany. Meeting our lawyer, we however realized it was in fact true. Without much thinking we simply applied for the trademark to ensure that noone with commercial intention does before us.
We of Channel One are friends of the Linux movement and we are far from making profit from it that we don't earn ourselves. In fact we are currently working on our own Linux distribution targeted at the Office User that we want to distribute next year to further increase the number of Linux users. Our self-written intranet-software Intraware also runs on Linux.
On the domain linux.channel-one.de we will publish a comic series with the Linux penguin as a protagonist shortly, to provide some entertainment to the Linux community. And as you can see on our homepage www.channel-one.de, we are also helping to enlarge the Linux community by other means."
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I hope that I did a readable translation (the other way is easier, i.e. English->German).
Sebastian
It's a sad thing that not all humans can succeed and excel in ways that inspire us. For every Linus, there are a thousand bottom feeders looking to get an easy ride. I'm afraid Linus will eventually be forced to assume active ownership of the name.. until this matter is cleared once and for all in all territories. I hope all the bullshit won't end up distracting him too much!
"Linux" soon no longer free?
The Hamburg patent lawyers Hauck, Graalfs, Wehnert have claimed the word "Linux" at the German patent office. This was acknowledged today by an employee of the 'Sozietat' upon a request from C'T. The German 'Markenblatt' (Listing of brand names) also lists the trademark. In edition number 36, published on 9.9.1999 (page 9919), Linux is listed under the document reference 399 36 517,6 in the category software.
Which aims trademark owner Roy Boldt has with the registration is unclear. The managing director of a Hamburg System House and the management consultation operation ChannelOne was unreachable by telephone today despite several attempts. Whether it concerns a new case of brand name snatching or perhaps an unselfish act, such as the one from an Austrian Linux trademark owner, remains unsure for the time being.
However Boldt cannot be sure of the name "Linux" just yet. According to US laws the trademarks have been property of Linux father Linus Torvalds since 1997. However, Torvalds had to take the matter to court to claim the rights for himself.
For now, the outcome of a comparable law case in Germany would be uncertain. According to information from the German patent office, trademark law is confined to the respective state borders. How things proceed in this country remains to be seen in the next weeks. On 9.12.99 the period for objections to the protection of the word "Linux" ends. Until then, everyone can make claim for a "relative obstacle to this word protection". The patent office is already prepared for such a case. The form designated "W7202" and meant for possible contenders has already been given a place on the Internet.
Disclaimer: I'm no lawyer, so I apologise for possible flaws in the technical terms.
Michiel
... is someone that can post the translation on their website, providing a direct link. Perhaps Slashdot could create some kind of special area for this?
Also a solution similar to this would allow some that speaks German or someone that has translated babelfish to english can post their finished translation.
Isn't it amazing that the internet has few language bounds? (A bit off topic, but this is important)
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..which filed the Linux trade mark is
www.channel-one.de
They have an email address info@channel-one.de
and apparently feedback@channel-one.de ( I found
the latter using a search engine).
Their web pages look relatively Linux friendly and
reasonable. So it might be worth to find out _why_
they trademarked Linux (only stupid or unfriendly?).
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"Linux" soon no longer free?
The Hamburg patent lawyers Hauck, Graalfs, Wehnert have registered the trademark "Linux" with the German patent office.
This was acknowledged today by a member of the law firm following an inquiry by c't. The trademark protection is also reported by the publication "Deutsches Markenblatt". Linux is listed in issue #36 from 9.9.1999 (page 9919) under the document reference 399 36 517,6 in the software category.
It is unclear for what reasons the trademark owner Roy Boldt registered the trademark. The CEO of the German management consulting company ChannelOne was not available for comment despite several attempts to reach him by telephone.
It is unclear at this time if this is a new case of trademark grabbing, or if Boldt wants to act unselfishly like an Austrian holder of a Linux trademark (Note of translator: the Austrian guy handed the trademark over to Linus).
However, Boldt can't be sure of the trademark rights of "Linux" just yet. According to US law, the trademark is owned by Linux-Father Linus Torvalds, who had to go to court to get the rights.
At this time, the outcome of a comparable case in Germany would be uncertain. According to the German patent office, trademark law ends at the respective country's borders.
The next couple of weeks will show how the saga continues. The period to file objections against the trademark registration of the word "Linux" runs until December 9, 1999. Up to that date everybody can claim a so-called "relatives Schutzhindernis" (Translator's note: basically, claiming prior use). The patent office is prepared to these claims. The form "W7202" to use for claiming objections is already available online.
From a babelfish translation:
" In number 36 of 9.9.1999 (page 9919) Linux under the document reference 399 36 517,6 in the category software is listed."
Well, I think the significance of this is pretty obvious...
On the first line, we start with 36. 3+6 is nine, and 9*4 is 36. Then you have 2 nines, followed by a 1, and 3 more nines. That makes 5 nines...1 less than 4 nines! The second line is even more interesting. The first digit is '3' while the last is '6'...36 again! With another 36 in the middle! There are a total of 10 nines in the whole thing, and 1+0=1. The number of beginnings, unity, the antichrist, and cream cheese. Add all the digits in both lines, and you get 132. 1+3+2=6, which when you turn it upside-down looks kind of like a nine. You know what this means, don't you??!
Absolutely nothing.
No, trademark law is certainly NOT international, although it's important to note that what happens in one country can affect what happens in another.
Trademark ownership in the USA does not imply trademark ownership in Germany. But it will be important to the case of the trademarking firm to demonstrate the use of their trademark in Germany (and in the USA). They can do neither, so unless the German trademark application process is extremely liberal, this can be easily opposed.
You may be thinking of copyright. Copyright is internationalized by the Berne Convention, a treaty which nearly all countries have signed. (The USA was one of the last holdouts, before anybody gets on a high horse.)
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Please stay calm first.
At the moment it's a little bit difficult with Trademark in's Germany. There's for example a Trademark on Y2K and on Webspace.
It's silly and obviously for money-grabbing. They even tried to auction the rights for Y2K on ebay.de. But in the last weeks, some people tried to register things like WWW or FvG(the initials of a german lawyer who is know to bring you to court if you don't follow trademark laws(for example the use of Triton referring to the Motherboard-Chipset or the Name Explorer (Microsoft signed a contract to use this name in Germany))).
So it's probably, that someone's registering linux before somebody evil can do this, if it's at all possible to register it. At the moment the trademark isn't registered yet, there's only a request for it.
Stay calm,
Keef
sorry for my english...
http://pericles. ipaustralia.gov.au/atmoss/falcon.application_start
This whole thing raises a question in my mind though. I thought Linux International was supposed to be protecting these trade marks. Why don't they just rock though all nations and just buy the trade mark now?
It would save some time later...
PS: There appears to be someone squatting on linuxinternational.net and linuxinternational.com
I'm not sure what scares me more, that page or that I'm replying from inside it.
To the best of my knowledge trademarks and copyrights are *not* international. I know that patents are not. (I think that there is a commitee that meets evry other year or so to make them international, but they always end up arguing and quitting without any result)
You have to apply for trademarks, patents, etc in each country where you do business. Should someone else clain your trademark before you, you could be out of luck unless you have some kind of legal precedent. For example, say soemone registered the trademark coca-cola in their country. A couple of years later, the coca-cola company decides that they want to start selling coke in that country. So they Sue, and point out that they hold the trademark in every other country in the world. End of discussion.
The problem with this is that the Coca-cola co. would have the money to bring proper legal power to bear in case the country in question gets all uppity. To the best of my knowledge, Linux does not.
Sig:
Barbeque is a noun. Not a verb.
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" Linux " soon no longer freely?
Those Hamburg patent lawyers Hauck, Graalfs, Wehnert let protect the word label " Linux " with the German patent office. This acknowledged today a coworker of the partnership on request of c't. also the German label page specifies the trademark protection. In number 36 of 9.9.1999 (page 9919) Linux under the document reference 399 36 517,6 in the category software is listed.
Which aims at trademark owner Roy Boldt with the log-on, is unclear. The managing director Hamburg system houses and the management consultation of the ChannelOne was by telephone not attainable today despite several attempts. Whether it concerns a new case of Markengrabbing, or whether Boldt wants to concern unselfishly like a Austrian Linux trademark owner , remains for the time being in the dark.
However Boldt of the label cannot be safe " Linux " yet. After US right the trademarks are situated since 1997 with Linux father Linus Torvalds. Torvalds had itself the rights however only before court firstrides.
The output of a comparable law case in Germany would be meanwhile uncertain. After information of the German patent office the trademark law at the respective state borders ends. How it continues here to country will only show up, in the next weeks. To 9.12.99 the contradiction period runs against word label " Linux ". Up to then everyone can make a " relative protection obstacle in such a way specified " valid. The patent office is already prepared for such a case. The form " W7202 " designated for any objections has already a fixed workstation in the Internet.
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