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Microsoft Plays Linux Games at Work

squistle writes I am one of the support technicians for Loki Entertainment Software. This afternoon I received a message on my voicemail to call "Nick"--name changed to protect the victim--who was having trouble starting CivCTP for Linux on his Pentium III RedHat 6.0 system. More Below...

When I called him back, he thanked me for my quick response and said that he was new to Linux and wasn't sure if he'd installed the game right. He then said, "This machine is going to used for... well, I'm a Microsoft employee and my group is doing a usability study on Linux."

As it turned out, he had unpacked the tarball (I had to explain what a tarball was) on the CD by double-clicking its package icon in gmc and then double-clicking the install icon that came up. He had absolutely no idea where the game had been installed, and didn't know how to search for it.

At this point I pointed out to him that CivCTP came with a graphical install script, conveniently labeled "install" and placed in the same directory as the tarball. And in fact, in that same directory was a text file labeled "README" that explained how to run the install program.

I had him pull up a terminal window and run `sh install` (since he had a 4.5 GB drive containing only a fresh install of RH6, he wasn't too concerned with finding his previous installation just yet), and as the graphical install smoothly copied the files into their proper place, we chatted amiably.

Me: "So what kind of system are you using for this?"
Him: "It's a... [pause to read label on the case] HP Vectra."
Me: "Umm, what processor does it use?"
Him: "It's a Pentium III, uh... 450 MHz?"
Me: "Yes, PIIIs do come in 450 MHz."

Eventually, the installation finished. I encouraged him to grab the patch from our website, and he thanked me and hung up.

Ordinarily, I am very respectful to newbies. I don't even laugh at them behind their backs--especially if they have been looking through man pages and reference books trying to figure things out. This time I almost peed my pants.

Then the big question dawned on me:

What does it mean when Big Bill gives brand new P-III 450's running Linux to game-playing newbies who don't read reference books, manuals, How-To's or README's for a usability study?

Can you say "viable desktop environment?"

Note from RM: Yes, we verified the story. All parties are real.

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  1. Former microserf by Shoeboy · · Score: 5

    I used work as a contractor on the microsoft campus in redmond. There are a lot of linux boxen there. The interesting thing is that almost all of them are on the desks of contractors. The deal is that those who are depending on MS stock for their retirement refuse to even think about linux, but a lot of the contractors out there are hedging their bets. There were (best guess) around 12 linux boxen in MS building 11 alone. Which is a lot considering the location.
    --Shoeboy

  2. Bigger deal than we realize by the_tsi · · Score: 5

    As charming and witty as those first couple of posts are, this is a BIG deal. (Okay, everyone else will say this, too.)

    While all the gnome, redhat, etc people involved can pat themselves on the back, this does point out some things that are really small that *NEED* to be done... off the top of my head I can think of:

    1. Autorun.
    2. a dummy-fied RPM/DEB/any other kind of package installer/viewer/uninstaller that can be used cross-distribution and cross-version with similar functionality to the dreaded "add/remove programs" control panel
    3. less jargon. :) (While "tarball" is a great term for geeks to use, it certainly isn't an intuitive word. For that matter, neither are many of the other things unixfolk take for granted. "grep" comes to mind real quick.)

    We're getting there. While things may be in a state now where linux+gnome/kde+icewm/enlightenemnt/* may be "mom friendly". It's certainly not friendly to someone who's going to be installing hundreds of programs cluelessly every day -- like your average computer using teenager.

    -Chris

    1. Re:Bigger deal than we realize by coaxial · · Score: 5

      DON'T YOU DARE DUMBDOWN THE TERMINOLOGY!
      Those are the words, new users have to learn it. Whenever you start something new, there's a learning curve. New terminology is part of it. UNIX is designed by a fundamentally different philosophy. If you want the M$-suck way, then stick with M$. (I really hate the concept behind fvwm95. The best way I've heard it described is as "methadone for windows users".)

      Hell, even if you replaced "tarball" with "thingy" and "keyboard" with "doodad" you'd still have people saying "Ehhhh! That's too hard! `Thingy?' Why don't you just speak English!". ("tarball" is a perfect word. It's a ball of files and it ends in ".tar" what's so wrong with that?)

      I've said it many times before (and people don't like it), but I don't think "Linux For The Masses" is a good idea. Does the person thinks "me too!" is being insightful really need (or should even have) a UNIX box sitting in their home? One of the major things that makes Linux great is the community, and the fact that the community as a whole doesn't just whine and complain, but is actually useful. Why is this? There's an entrance fee to be paid to get into the community, and you pay it by critticaly thinking. The Unwashed would do nothing but drown out the original community members with, "This is too hard!" (Don't believe me? Right now there's a Visa radio commercial running talking about online shopping that says, "Clicking is hard work." (And no, the don't say it in jest.)) These are the people I'm talking about. Give them a dreamcast-esqe device with email, a web browser, and a wordprocessor that's they all they need and really want. (I'm distinguishing between the "ignorant" and those that don't even try. It's the second group I don't think Linux should be marketed to.)

      Personally I think the the people that spout that are either
      1. Those that believe that Linux is the Be All and End All of OSs (Do you really need to be running Linux on your PalmPilot? I mean PalmOS doesn't seem that bad. (The need for an Free RTOS for embeded systems is different issue. Which I can see the need for. Personaly I'd like to see a comprable Free alternative in every important software catagory.))
      2. People parrotting the zealots
      3. Those motivated solely by the All-Mighty-Dollar. Linux is hip right now, and thus you can market it to the ignorant masses
      4. The good intentioned, but misguided.



      5. People ask now, "Yeah but can my mom use it?", but a more question would be, "Yeah but does my mom need this?" (You don't see particle accelerators being sold at Sears now do you?)
        </rant>

        This is probably going to get moderated down as "flamebait" because it's a rant (and I don't deny that there's a viable reason for moderating it down), but Mr. Moderator, before you hit "Moderate" just think about what I'm saying. Which is basically this, "Linux is more OS than most people can handle. Sure they need something, just not this."
    2. Re:Bigger deal than we realize by the_tsi · · Score: 5

      I love the cars and computers comparison, because this is where it comes in. :)

      I don't CARE what the difference is between 10W30 and 10W40 motor oil is. I don't care what my "CV joint" is. I don't have to know the difference between shocks and struts to drive my car. I never want to have to do more than put gas and windshield wiper fluid in my car in order to drive it. When I use my car, I want to get in, turn the key and go somewhere. Yes, I *do* have to know about the steering wheel, turn signal, gas and break pedals, but I don't have to know anything technical about the vehicle to use it properly.

      That's how computers *HAVE* to be. Slashdotters and geeks in general have to get over this elitist view that newbies (and the general public) must learn how to do X, Y, and Z just to get their brand spanking new Linux install to a usable level and then do A, B, and C to get Whizz-Bang New Game(tm) working. Linux CAN fulfil this role, much better than Windows (or BeOS at this point). From a technical point, it's better than MacOS, so us geeks like it, but that has to be the target for a UI. Not just a GUI... the ENTIRE USER INTERFACE. Macs don't have ejects on the floppy drives for a purpose; it simplifies things. Yeah, us PC geeks get pissed off when we can't get our disk out when we want to, but that's life.

      In order to win in the Real World, you have to cater to the masses -- NOT MAKE THE MASSES CATER TO YOU. Granted, many companies have made the public bend over backwards in the past (utilities come to mind real fast), but if it isn't easy to use, do what users need, or doesn't work, then they will move on to something else.

      --
      Here's the back-on-topic part:

      Linux MAY be more than Mom needs right now, but she certainly doesn't need $400 worth of Microsoft OS and programs just to email Junior, surf the web, and type up her resume. As in the Dvorak article yesterday, when PCs get to be sub-$300 items, the OS and basic set of utilities and programs better clock in at free or darn close or it will completely screw the vendor. If we want Linux to be on there instead of WindowsCE, we better get a UI For Dummies on there. And fast.

      -Chris

  3. Hello People!! You don't get it! by memoryhole · · Score: 5

    FUD? Rigging results? Please. Microsoft may make common practice of that, but that is NOT what's going on here.

    According to the fellow in question, they were performing a "useability" study. That means just that: useability. How easy is Linux for people who are not already accustomed to it to use?

    So, why are they having people do studies on Linux? It's competition, and anyone who wants to compete will take a gander at the competition.

    Why are they using "newbies"? Think about this. What good would it be to do a "useability" study on WordPerfect 3.1 using people who have already memorized all the fkey combos, or who know to look for fkey combos? NONE! Why? These people have already adjusted to the environment, and so any reports they have on how "useable" that environment are are SKEWED. People who don't know to read the manual, and don't know much about linux (or even computers, for that matter) are PERFECT for a true "usability" study. They allow a clearer look at how obvious and easy it is to do what you want to do. The question of useability attempts to answer the question: what do I have to learn in order to use this? Do you have to learn to install software in at least 5-6 steps (gunzip, untar, cd, ./configure, make, make install)? Or are things as easy as clicking a single icon? Do you have to run applications within a terminal, calling them up by exact capitalization, or do you get a big friendly icon automatically? When something goes wrong, how easy is it to fix? How easy is it to get help? This is useable to people who don't already know all the proper commands, aka. born-and-bred Windows users who might want to stop using Windows for some reason. Microsoft wants to know "how easy is it to switch"? Do they have to worry?

    In this case, the answer is a resounding NO. Linux is complicated. Many if not most applications are distributed primarily in source-code format, which requires compiling, which requires installation of all the development libraries and toolkits, which requires keeping up with the most recent versions of these same libraries, which involves visiting ftp sites, which involves knowing about ftp-commands....and if not that, it requires discovery of rpm and it's man page, which requires discovery of man pages (not exactly the first thing that comes to mind when presented with a command prompt for most people), or it requires the discovery of gnorpm (not advertized as much as it is), which requires knowing why you need to be root for some things, but don't want to be for most things. Even just typing "help" provides you with a bewildering list of commands and a fairly cryptic set of symbols describing their use - BUT NOT WHAT THEY DO! (please, is anyone so deluded as to argue that any os that provides "trap [arg] [signal_spec ...] or tr" when you type "help" is immediately useable?) Is the "/usr/bin" directory the first, most obvious place to look for a new game you just installed?

    Suffice to say, to use Linux pretty much at all, you need to know A LOT about how it works, how computers work, how unixes work - some mixture thereof - to get ANYWHERE.

    And why would they want to find out how "useable" Linux is from someone who already knows all about how to use and configure it? They don't. Because that information would be WRONG. At least, it would be in all areas that they care about.

    Yes, it's funny. No, I don't know why. But it's newbies because that's the only kind of "useable" that counts for the mass market. "Useable" means "really fricking obvious" in the mass market. What's obvious to you and me is quite often nowhere near obvious to anyone else. Microsoft may be all about FUD, but that's not what it's doing here...at least, not yet.

  4. using clueless newbies for usability is correct! by garyrich · · Score: 5

    It's exactly what I would do if I were them and it has nothing to do with FUD. Indeed: "a clueless newbie is the typical Microsoft customer". From MICROS~1's point of view that's just a fact. Their $$ spends just as well as that of a "guru" customer. What do you think they are going to do?

    In this one example they seem to be looking at
    games. A game that can't be installed easily by a 10 year old with 6 months experience pointing and clicking on things is not a market threat to them. That's all they care about. The fact that it's "obvious" to you or me or anyone else how to install it does not matter. That's not the target market.

    Put it this way: Have you ever been asked to do QA on or write docs for code that you've written? For real end users I mean here, not man pages or READMEs or comments in the Makefile. I have and I've seen the results of these attempts many times. IT DOES NOT WORK. you are too close to it. You don't know to explain the parts that the end user will find confusing because it's not confusing to you. You don't know to test a part of the program in a way you didn't think of because... well you didn't think of it.

    Same goes for usability. You bring in the intelligent but ignorant. If they can't make it work it doesn't work - because they are the customers. After your ignorant pawn has done this
    for a while they lose their usefullness because they also know it too well and are too close to it. And LO! a tech support rep is created! Been there, done that. Eventually the smart ones understand it too well and become terrible tech support reps because they can't explain it to the end user in tiny words that they understand.

    MICROS~1, and any other company that actually delivers products to "normal people", understands this early on or they go out of business. This is often a blind spot for OSS advocates but ICROS~1 has always understood it quite well. Technology, Quality, Stability - these may be their blind spot but this isn't.

    garyr

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    -- your Web browser is Ronald Reagan
  5. If there was one thing I could tell MS... by sinator · · Score: 5

    If there was one thing I could tell MS for their feasibility studies:

    Use tcp_wrappers. The security benefits of tcp_wrappers have been proven by Wietse Venema; the rest comes only from my own meandering experience.

    Run /sbin/lilo -U before you replace one linux distribution with another. It helps get rid of the LI... freeze in your MBR.

    If you're going to be paranoid and deny telnet and ftp in favor of SSH, don't send your mail passwords plaintext with POP3.

    Maybe Linux will take over the desktop, maybe it won't. Maybe InstallShield for tarballs will be created; maybe it won't. Either way, your Mindcraft scores are half chance -- and so are everyone else's.

    Be kind to your root partition. You'll miss it when it's gone.

    If you don't know which direction your favorite window manager will go, don't worry. A lot of the greatest programmers I know had no idea what they were doing at version 2.2 ... or even at 4.0.

    Each day, activate a compiler flag that warns you.

    Do not read Slate Magazine -- It will only make you feel ugly.

    Accept certain truths as inevitable: USB support is dodgy, "stable" kernels will crash, and you too will lose your CHANGELOG -- at which point you will fantasize that when you were at version 2.2.x, USB suited your purposes, kernels never crashed, and people read their source code.

    Read your source code. Source code is a form of nostalgia... it lets you pick it up, parse through the comments, and audit it to make better code in the future.

    But trust me on the tcp_wrappers.

    /* thanks to Baz Luhrmann */

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    Three Step Plan:
    1. Take over the world.
    2. Get a lot of cookies.
    3. Eat the cookies.
  6. Re:Figures. by thekla · · Score: 5
    You make a very fine point about the concept of an intuitive interface. Microsoft is trying to persuade everyone in the world that just because many people are mildly familiar with their interface, this makes it intuitive.

    My father has spent some 20 years working with computers, most of them in a DOS environment. Recently he had to adapt to win95 and I was trying to teach him the basics. Now my father can issue 'arcane' commands like copy and mkdir and fdisk, and he has even mastered wildcards and such. He can program, and he can compile his own programs. Yet, it took him some thirty minutes to grasp the idea that "when I drag a file on another directory, the file is not moved, not copied, instead just a shortcut is created" After some frustration, he realized it'd be quicker to do it through the prompt, and he never used windows eplorer again since. Then I had to explain about shortcuts on the menus and desktop.. which eventually led to the question "can't I just add the damn directory to the $PATH??" Great fun!

    Intuitive interface is an interface that provides you with an easy-to-grasp expectation as to what will happen when you do some action, and that fullfils that expectation. Well, I never really understood how that applies to Microsoft's interface. It harldy ever manages to do what I expect to happen.

    It is natural with users of an interface to get comfortable with it over time. But intuitiveness does not refer to that. It refers to making users comfortable with the interface without prior experience and habitual familiarity with it.

    Nick Moraitakis

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