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NASA/MIT Can Successfully Grow Human Tissue
mathowie writes "[MIT] scientists use a NASA-developed device in a first step towards tissue engineering. The cell constructs are less than 1/5-inch across, but represent a significant step in developing replacement parts for damaged organs.
Need a heart? No problem! You say you're short one kidney? Heck we can get one for you! With technology like this, I really should take up smoking, if I ever need a lung, someone can grow one for me. " I have someone close to me who has a weak heart - advancements like this will make a huge difference in the future.
And maybe someday this technology will allow men in the US to replace what was taken from them at birth. One way or another, gross atrocities tend to correct themselves eventually. (Though I'd hope by the time that this line of research becomes that advanced, circumcision would be a thing of the past.)
In case you're not aware, you can correct some of the damage without advanced biotech: just do a web search on "foreskin restoration" or get a book called _The_Joy_of_Uncircumcising_.
So maybe what hemos said isn't perfectly accurate... What matters is that this is a pretty big step in the right direction... For now it immediately means regrown thumbs, new skin for burn victims and most likely other neato things that a medical science oriented person would be able to cheer about. But its a damn good start. Its a fresh area for someone to innovate in. Cool Things Will Be Done.
///jeff
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no you weren't, dipshit.
Natural Breast Augmentation.
Yeah, it's obvious you didn't even try, 'cause YOU DIDN'T MAKE IT!!!!!
That's what I'll say when you get in a car accident. You did it to yourself, gettin in that car, you knew the risks, buh-bye.
How cool is that? Imagine being bale to go days without annoying urination...drink all night and never 'break the seal'...I'm delerious. Of course, You'd probably look a bit pregnant if you went with say, a 2 gallon bladder, but hey it's your body.
Blar.
I've been interning this past year with a bunch of grad students and professors who do just this: Tissue Engineering. I'd have to say that Tissue Engineering is a not that new, contrary to what the article says. Both Organogenesis and American Tissue Sciences (two companies who deal in Skin & other Tissue engineering) have created layers of epidermal skin for use with burn patients. Skin is an organ, complete with its own tissue layers.
The article might just be hyping up some new technique or method in Tissue engineering. The "first step" has already been taken and tissue engineering is already a reality.
Now, artificial organs like hearts, lungs, kidneys will definately be harder to synthetically create from cells than skin. There are many obstacles toward creating these synethic organs. The cells must properly differentiate into the functional groups of each organ. The scaffold the cells are seeded on will need to mimic the structure of the natural organ, including spaces for capillaries for blood flow, microtubules for the various secretions, excretions, and inputted fluids. In order to create an artificial kidney, you would need to structurally induce a flow from ingoing blood and allow outgoing blood an outlet.
There's also the problem of seeding the scaffold with cells. You can't seed every bit of the scaffold with cells and the cells won't necessarily move on their own. In fact, cells really don't like to attach to most synthetic scaffolds. You need to coat it with a protein like collagen or fibronectin, which are extracellular proteins within the body.
Overall, Tissue Engineering will soon provide humans the ability to replace dead organs..or create new organs from partial organs. Skin is already in production while other organs are more complex, and will probably not be seen for perhaps 5-10 years.
Howard
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This new breakthrough may saves some lives - The lives of young children in Latin America, Africa and Asia who are being kidnapped for their organs - and all in all, it is A Good Thing (TM).
If you don't know what I am talking about, every year, thousands (some says tens of thousands !) of young children are being kidnapped, and the only reason they are being kidnapped is because the children have organs that somebody else wants - like kidneys, hearts, liver, - and those organs ends up in the dying bodies of rich people.
If you ever wonder why your rich (and sick) uncle suddenly become so healthy, after a trip to Latin America (or Africa, or Asia), then you may don't have to wonder anymore.
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
What about livers? As far as I understand it (of course, I Am Not A Doctor) in many cases if a part of a liver is damaged, it can regenerate itself. In this case, if you had enough tissue, gave it enough nutrients, etc, wouldn't you actually get a full liver in the end, without a lot of manual wiring, so to speak?
Probably other organs wouldn't be so easy.
Still hope for all us alcoholics out there yet.
Oh, good, so perhaps, soon, getting knocked out in a dark alley, and waking up in a tub full of icewater and stiches on one's side will be a thing of the past....
mark (B-{)}
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Be afraid. Be very afraid.
I don't know a lot about tissue regeneration, but my sister used to work for a company called Genzyme, first doing tissue repair, and then cartilage repair. Is this a lot different then this?
Here's a link to Genzyme's tissue repair page. This by any means is a very interesting subject, but I think the Genzyme has been doing this for at least 5 years now.
If I remember correctly this Boston branch used to be a company called BioSurface that was an MIT company at one point until they got bought out by Genzyme.
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"Everybody knows the moon's made of cheese," Wallace.
Yeah, this is what i heard about progenitor/stem cells in rat tissue being converted-man the immuno guys were agog there for a few! But I'm unclear as to whether this article is refering to the same thing. Are we talking about actual human tissue culture here? With M$ +MIT involved, who knows? Somebody tell me, cuz while not completely dim, this sounds like a pretty high, wide, heavy claim, if that's what's being made. But if so, maybe i _will_ get it all done! Hellooo immortality!
if you have ever seen it... you know what i'm talking about... if not, don't see it (unless it's on MS3K), cuz it's not worth it. (I know, not quite the same as growing your own tissue... but still...
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AngryMob dun said:
In some cases, yes...in most cases of genetic diseases an organ transplant will do exactly Jack and Shite, because most genetic diseases are from complex inborn errors of metabolism. (To tie onto another thread here, the infant euthanasia one--I seriously doubt organ-growing clinics are going to help kids with fatal degenerative brain diseases like Tay-Sach's or ALD (adrenoleukodystrophy--the "Lorenzo's Oil" disease) or chromosomal disorders like inversions and trisomies/monosomies, because even WITH organ-growing clinics it's going to be a long time, if ever, before we can grow a baby a new brain [and you could seriously argue that in that case you're not so much giving a dying child a new brain as giving a new intelligence a donated body, if one sees the essence of "what makes me, me" as centered in the brain]...and in the case of most of your really bad genetically-based brain diseases (like most of your brain degenerative diseases that do not involve the actual chromosomes fucking up in replicating themselves) you will have to repeat the process every so often because the brain gets destroyed by toxic byproducts the body can't remove because of a farged-up metabolism. This is also true in most cases of muscular dystrophy [you are either going to have to do a transplant of ALL the muscles in someone's body, or replace ALL the mitochondria in their body [a really surprising number of forms of muscular dystrophy are inherited NOT by one's chromosomal genes but are actually genetic diseases of one's mitochondria--a "Parasite Eve" sort of situation would not mutate one so much as probably leave one unable to move and probably brain damaged to boot].)
For that matter, let's take the example you noted above--diabetes. (I happen to have a personal interest in the genetics of diabetes and other disorders of glucose metabolism. I happen to be from a family of which I am one of maybe four or five people in a large extended kindred who does not yet have something wonky going on with my glucose metabolism [hypoglycemia or diabetes]; in my family it's also been shown that hypoglycemia and diabetes are related, and we've actually been asked to join in genetic studies because we're a glucose-metabolism-disorder cluster.) There are two main types of diabetes mellitus ("sugar diabetes"--there is another kind of diabetes, diabetes insipidus, which is due to inappropriate secretion of diuretic hormones from one's pituitary gland and is not related at all other than being yet another endocrine disorder; both are named diabetes because a major symptom of both is one has to pee a lot :)--type 1, which usually hits from birth to one's twenties, and type 2 which hits from about the late 20's onward and is associated with obesity.
There is a lot of evidence to point to the fact that diabetes in general is inherited, and that certain populations [Native Americans and, if memory serves, Australian Aboriginals as well] have a much higher susceptibility to Type II diabetes because they essentially don't have the ability to handle refined sugars and carbohydrates as well as Europeans [it's the same reason Asians and some other folks have a high incidence of lactose intolerance--it's also been experimentally proven European diet is to blame at least among Pima peoples in the US Southwest, who have an unusually high incidence of Type II diabetes but tend NOT to have the problems when eating a traditional diet]. Type I diabetes tends to occur at roughly the same rate everywhere except in certain kindreds.
Type I diabetes is now pretty well known to be an autoimmune disorder in which somehow the body is tricked into destroying its own Islet cells; most research is pointing to viral infections being the main trigger, and several genes for Type I diabetes have been found. I honestly don't know what use a pancreas transplant would do long-term (there are the beginnings of clinical trials being done with Islet cell transplants); you might also have to replace their bone marrow to fix the underlying autoimmune disorder. (As an aside--some scientists now think something similar may also happen with Crohn's disease [a severe form of colitis that is sometimes associated with colon cancer] and with multiple sclerosis--since certain types of immune-system regulators DO relieve symptoms of the diseases. There are some clinical trials also being done in this vein with people in Type I diabetes "clusters" in an attempt to keep them from ever developing diabetes.)
Just as a minor aside--Type I diabetes used to be called "juvenile diabetes" but it does not just occur in juveniles--20- and 30-year-old people (and sometimes older) have spontaneously developed Type I diabetes. With this kind you have to take insulin shots--diet and/or "diabetes pills" will NOT control it, and if it is not controlled you WILL get desperately sick. The really bad kind of Type I where one has a devil of a time controlling blood glucose is sometimes known as "brittle diabetes". (My grandmother died of complications of late-onset Type I diabetes, so I know all too well that it ain't just kids who get it.) You could also prolly call this "Bret Michaels Disease" if one wants a nice celebrity spokesperson (Bret Michaels, formerly of the band Poison and now a movie director, has Type I diabetes and did a lot of spokespersoning for the American Diabetes Association in the 80's). :)
Type II diabetes is generally caused because one's body produces insulin normally but somehow one's body stops reacting to it normally. [The underlying mechanisms of this are still being figured out; in some cases it's a kind of autoimmune disorder where the body develops antibodies to insulin, in others there are other mechanisms.] A lot of times Type II diabetes can be controlled by diet or by losing weight [obesity is a MAJOR risk factor for Type II]; for those who can't, there are "diabetes pills" that basically help the body's own insulin work better. In cases where they get bad enough to require insulin, sometimes they have to receive massive doses. An organ transplant or "grow-your-own" probably would NOT work here (except, again, for those rare kinds of Type II where the body has antibodies to insulin) because it's more of a metabolic disorder that is still not entirely well understood.
There might be another type of diabetes yet-- in many cases that seem to fall between Type I and Type II diabetes, it's almost as if the Islet cells "burn out"--people tend to either become hypoglycemic, will go straight to diabetes, or will be hypoglycemic for some years before converting to full-blown diabetes (which may or may not be insulin-dependant). (This happens to be the particular variant that runs in my family, and may actually be some weird form of Type I diabetes.) I also don't know how an organ transplant or "grow-your-own" would help here; if it's like Type I you'd prolly need a bone marrow transplant too, and if it's due to some funky metabolic disorder that causes one's Islet cells to essentially be the equivalent of tiny insulin-producing Replicants there might be no cure other than constantly replacing them and carrying candies around [because it might be an underlying metabolic disorder].
Needless to say, though, "pancreas on a Petri dish" is not going to be a cure for diabetes anytime soon. :P
-Windigo The Feral (NYAR!)
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Something I don't think they made clear in the article is that most of the work that is being done nowadays is with undifferentiated progenitor/stem cells. In the article it sounds as if you are taking heart muscle cells or skin cells or whatever and getting them to position themselves in a static scaffold. This is what the very early work in the late 80s was, as proof of concept. The current work is done with some sort precursor to the cell type that you are interested in and an interactive, biodegradable scaffolding. A cell knows what it is and what it needs to turn into by its environment. The local chemical and protein signals for the tissue type you want are embedded in the scaffolding matrix, the cells adhere to them and decide "A-hah! I'm in the heart and need to be a cardiac cell". The scaffolding is usually made of the same material as resorbable sutures, the tissue eventually eats it after its own extracellular matrix has made it supperfluous.
The cells are refered to as either progenitor cells or stem cells take your pick. There is currently a debate over what makes a cell 'really' a stem cell or not that resembles the discussions of what *really* makes something GPL or not.
These cells do _not_ have to come from fetal tissue. Fetal tissue can be used and it can be argued that using it is better, but it's not necessary. Dr M. Vacanti of the University of Massachusetts is doing work with attempts at regrafting together severed rat spinal chords using progenitor nerve cells harvested from a nerve in the rat's own body.
The blood supply issue is also a matter of signalling. There are chemical calls that cells put out to request that blood vessels grow into their area and provide more food. This usually doesn't happen in tissue engineering because A. you didn't start out with blood vessel cells in the first place and B. you want the cells to grow so you've been feeding them all they can eat anyway. What's usually needed is to artificially add the appropriate signals. Remember the work on the anti-cancer proteins angiostatin and endostatin? D etangling these signals is being worked on.
There are some hospitals that are already looking forward to the time when these techniques are hammered out and publicly availavble by collecting undifferentiated cells from the placenta of newborns and freezing them for the day when the person they belong to may need replacement tissues. Then you get the 'fetal' cell advantage without having another baby get killed for it. If you're having a kid soon, you might ask if the local hospital does this.
As a side note about the start up smoking 'cause it can be replaced idea: Do you *really* want to have to have someone crack you open, rip out your lungs, replace them with custom constructs, and then bill you for all that? And you thought replacing your car's catalytic converter was an expensive inconvenience!
As an avid smoker, you have no right to ANY treatment. In fact, you should have to pay through your TEETH for a new lung. You did it to yourself, bud.
tech - "Hello this is the MS tech support line"
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..er uh..I mean if your organs just stop for no reason all you have to do is try rebooting..then go ahead and reinstall them when that doesn't work"
caller - "yes...hello..uh my MS-MIT kidney just stopped working...I need help"
tech - "Uh..that's impossible sir...our MS-MIT Kidneys are the state of the art and don't just stop working...you must have other third-party organs that are not on the Organ compatibility list..or your sys-admin is incompetent"
caller - "Look..I just need some help... how do I get it restarted"
tech - "Okay lets see.. we need you to first replace all of your other organs with MS_MIT Organs.. make sure to look for the Windows logo on the box
caller (shouting with disbelief) "YOU MEAN I HAVE TO REPLACE ALL OF MY ORGANS WITH MICRSOFT ORGANS..."
tech - "Yes sir..We only support Bodies with all Microsoft organs...then you will have to re-install the kidney.. don't worry this is all very standard.. In the future when
caller - "gurrgle....gasp.." THUD
A doctor brings a large jar into a leather working shop and says, "These are foreskins that I have collected. Could you make something out of them?" The leatherman says "yes, come back in a week." A week goes by, and the doctor goes back to the shop. Inside, the leather worker hands the doctor a small coin purse. The doctor is incredulous! "I gave you that whole jar of forskins and all you can give me is a small coin purse?" The leather worker replies, "Yes, but if you rub it, it becomes a suitcase"
A process called "Rapid Prototyping" has a similar application. It works like this: A laser sketches a design, layer by layer on an epoxy solution, and the solution solidifies when the laser hits it. Layer by layer the object is made. You can check out http://nasarp.msfc.nasa.gov/ for NASA's rapid prototyping division. Well usually making artificial bones is a long evolving process, and requires weeks if not months of measuring and careful manufacturing.
With rapid prototyping one could have a program with a catalog or different bones with a selections of sizes. With even current x-ray and stereo photography have a computer render a bone and then having it rapid prototyped can be knocked down to under a weeks worth of work.
Bort
"...working with Dr. Gordana Vunjak-Novakovic and other colleagues at MIT..."
If the woman would visit her home country Yugoslavia in spring her technology could of fallen on her head.
Not unless I want to be somebody else's bitch the rest of my life. Genetics is an interesting field, that was my original career path when I started college many years ago, and I now have a minor in biology and a degree in computer science. The reason I got out of genetics is that alot of the 'research' in genetics is nothing more than a massive data collection effort so that you can add to some greedy companies already huge patent base. With computer science, a good idea can make you a millionaire, with genetic research a good idea might get you a raise if you're lucky, hey, and then you can bend over and do it all over again. The problem with field of genetics from the perspective of a researcher/creative thinker such as myself, is the same problem I have with being a hardware engineer, the field is very interesting, but the amount of startup capital that it takes to start your own company is huge, which means that you will work for someone else the rest of your life and never get paid what you are truly worth. Programmers, on the other hand, have very little startup capital, should they choose to form their own bussiness, and an extremely cheap method of distribution, the internet. So, I like the idea of being a programmer, perhaps, when I'm done making my millions, I'll foray into genetic research, and your son can work for me.
Tissue engineering from stem cells is indeed the Big Kahouna for a lot of researchers and biotech companies. This was a large part of the impetus for cloning technology and drove the search for the recent discovery of Embryonic Stem Cells (ES Cells). The ES cell is the mother of all other types of cells, first differentiating into e.g a Neural Stem Cell which then differentiates into the different types of nerve cell.
There are obstacles before we can have organs and tissue on demand.Part One of The Big Problem is working out the chemical cues and genetic programming that tells a stem cell to differentiate into a specific tissue type. Part Two of The Big Problem is once you've worked out how generate specific tissue types, how do you assemble them into complete, solid, complex organs? Skin is a flat sheet, and the artificial kidney is basically lab grown cells in a jar and doesn't try to duplicate the internal structure of a real kidney. The bladder mentioned above is the most interesting in that it replicates the three dimensional struture of a real organ, but it's pretty simple too. It's basically a balloon with just two types of cell, one lining the inside, the other the outside. (The researchers used a biodegradble polymer to create a scaffold mesh to grow the cells on). Something like a liver has complicated 3d structure with many different types of cells. To crack this question involves a lot of research into embryological development - after all these structures do get bult in the womb. Embryological research throws up a lot controversy. But tissue/organ replacement is why scientists are interested in cloning and embryo research - they're not just making curiosities like Dolly for the sake of it. And this is why it's important to craft legislation regarding cloning and embryonic experimentaion in such a way that you don't stop legitimate research into giving people new kidneys or lungs while trying to stop idiots like Richard Seed from cloning humans.
"Just once, I'd like to meet an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets." -- The Brigadier, Dr. Who
Not unless I want to be somebody else's bitch the rest of my life. Genetics is an interesting field, that was my original career path when I started college many years ago, and I now have a minor in biology and a degree in computer science. The reason I got out of genetics is that alot of the 'research' in genetics is nothing more than a massive data collection effort so that you can add to some greedy companies already huge patent base. With computer science, a good idea can make you a millionaire, with genetic research a good idea might get you a raise if you're lucky, hey, and then you can bend over and do it all over again. The problem with field of genetics from the perspective of a researcher/creative thinker such as myself, is the same problem I have with being a hardware engineer, the field is very interesting, but the amount of startup capital that it takes to start your own company is huge, which means that you will work for someone else the rest of your life and never get paid what you are truly worth. Programmers, on the other hand, have very little startup capital, should they choose to form their own bussiness, and an extremely cheap method of distribution, the internet. So, I like the idea of being a programmer, perhaps, when I'm done making my millions, I'll have enough capital to start my own biotech company, and your son can work for me.
Exactly, although I would also say that doing what he loves is important, he's just going to have to decide if he can handle not being extremely rich. For me, I get my juice from my music (I have a music degree). I originally started out in bio/chemistry, switched to music with the idea that my music would somehow change the world. (I never really was allowed to explore music and many other things as a child because I had very controlling parents, so I spent alot my college career making up for what I missed in childhood). By the time I was finished with my music degree, I realized that if I left school with just my music degree and a bio. minor, I would spend the rest of my life being treated like crap, and serving up burgers, so I chose my next degree from a purely practical standpoint, which degree do I enjoy, that's science/technology related, that I have the most room for opportunity/growth. From that standpoint, it was a choice between chemistry and computers. I finally decided that cs was the way to go, don't get me wrong, for the big picture and in the long run, I think biotech has huge potential, but right now, from my perspective, it's cs all the way. I think that if all I was doing was one degree, then maybe I would choose a different area of science(although I'm find that doubtful the more i work with computers, the more I enjoy it), but as it is I get my juice from music, and I enjoy computers enough that I could be happy programming the rest of my life.
"tip" -- Get it?
Don't get me wrong: I am all for it too!
I just meant organ replacement may become outer
space "killer app", as well as NASA's best chance
of finding funds for a future space station...
The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
I realize you're all techie nerds, and are therefore legally required to support the space program (and don't get me wrong, I love science and the promise that technology holds), but I would just like to interject a couple of points into your backslapping: a)people are starving. When confronted with such immediate human suffering, you have to choose you're own response. Prehaps you think the most helpful thing would be to provide for thier theoretical future; they probably disagree. Remember 11 million children die from starvation and easily curable diseases every year. b)almost all the technology developed by the space program (all that is potentially profitable, to be more exact) is spun off at little or no cost to the private sector. As a taxpayer subjected to near constant free market rhetoric, I object.
Heck, it's a short step to growing whole blood ... tons of uses (and not for just vampires:) Lab blood would be safer since there is no chance of contracting AIDS or other pathogens. Also one of the key factors in the aging process is that old, worn-out blood doesn't scavenge the poisons from the cells as well as younger blood .. osmosis differentials. Very cool!
To everyone who's constantly dissing the space program as a waste of money, I say this:
"The Bioreactor was developed by NASA to simulate the weightless environment of space"
Space flight isn't just a luxury; it's a necessity. People who can't see that may need other means of persuasion; this is one of the better ones.
well not avid...only on weekends...but my prediction that buy the time I get lung cancer, I'll be able to have new lungs grafted in is looking pretty damn good! Of course, once this technology is available, everyone in this F^&%ing country will decide it is their RIGHT to have this procedure done. What's this mean? My health insurance will go up up UP! All the drunks and *cough* smokers are usually poor, which means I'll be susidising their expensive treatments. Did you know that most HMOs will pay for the AIDS cocktail but not for other STD treatments? Hmmm...doesn't make sense to me. How about the HMOs pay for the F$^&%ng CONDOMS!
Ok, I'm done now.
Blar.
'cuz if I "accidentially" cut my finger off, or blow my kneecaps off, or hacksaw my friends there is always a cure
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People think the Internet is going to change the world, that just because you have a computer and a phone line you can rule the world... hah. The Internet is nothing compared to biotech. Think of the Jurassic Park example. Computers may let you create the convincing illusion of dinosaurs, but one day biotech is going to create real dinosaurs, or at least beasts that look like them.
I for one look forward to a longer, healthier life as a result of things like this. Unless they kill us all first.
"The deep-fried Mars bar is a symptom of a wider crisis." -- Nutritionist Ann Ralph, on the Scottish diet
I wish I was joking. But it's real. If you have the patience to sort through the flamewars, read alt.circumcision. They use neonatal foreskins to make skin grafts.
This is a tissue culture that grows in a mold.
This doesn't let us grow organs from scratch.
You have to have some differentiated cells in order to seed the culture. If you don't have a liver/kidney/... to begin with, you have nothing to work with.
You'd still have to piece an organ together, one tissue at a time. Just think of how many components are in the heart: valves, neural wiring (building a pacemaker from scratch'll be easy), and a nightmare of a vascular network...
What this does let us do is build individual components from scratch. Hole in your heart? This could make a patch for it (provided you're still alive). But certainly nothing more complex.
Is it anyone else out there worried by the proximity of this announcement with the one yesterday that MIT and MS were forming new educational joint venture?
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Sure, lots and lots of people 'dis' the space program as a waste of money. I mean, what possible practical purpose could it serve to send a couple of white guys to the moon? If NASA made commercials promoting their research, the way that plastic does, people might be aware that the space program has given us more than Tang and the "one small step..." quote. But instead, NASA has an image, for the most part, about being somewhat unconcerned with "real world" issues -- when they get paid attention to, it's for the large objects that they put into the sky or, more often, the malfunctioning of those large objects.
"Gee, Lois, seems to me that if they're spending billions in taxpayer money to put this thing in space, they oughta make sure the damn thing works."
So NASA gets perceived as being this giant sucking sound in the national budget, sales of freeze-dried "Astronaut ice cream" at the Air and Space Museum remain fairly constant, and most people don't see the long-term benefits of their research, or don't notice it when they do see them.
Ahh, civilization...
Hmmm.
Just a little thought:
In this world, most of the people in power (read: presidents, senators, Members or Parliament and so on and so forth) are actually old and male.
These people are also narrow-minded and intellectually challenged. Which is why funds for NASA and space exploration in general have been slooooooowly going down the drain for the past 20+ years.
Now that there is a (slim) hope of being able to grow brand new organs in outer space, do you think the same old and intellectually challenged people realize that, far from wasting taxpayer's money, space exploration is actually our best hope for the future? Do you think they'll start properly funding NASA?
Imagine this: a zero-gravity "organ factory" in a Lagrange point not far from earth, with new and improved space shuttles taking back its "output" to Earth, for the benefit of aging, drooling and filthy rich white male. Sounds like something straight out of William Gibson. Hey, we won't go to Mars -- just to the orbiting hospital.
Remember: you read it first on Slashdot. =)
The right to offend is far more important than the right not to be offended. (Rowan Atkinson)
Actually, the opposite is true. The genetic causes of many diseases are well-understood, but therapy is difficult. For example, it's well-understood how diabetes works - and has been for decades. But curing diabetes has proven impossible so far, because you can't do 'gene therapy' - restore gene copy in an entire tissue/organ. Regrowing organs externally alleviates this difficulty, since you don't have to worry about good delivery vectors or efficient transfection of your adenovirus or any other such bullshit - you just fix a few cells, grow the organ, and swap it in. Organ growth is the elixir of life. It WILL change the world - heart too old? grow a new one with long telomeres. Cancerous lung? Grow a new lung from a healthy lung cell and take the old one out completely. Immortality is just down the road. SA
growing human organs as replacements has been a target of Medical Science for a long time, first with things like transplants, up to seeding organ onto living organisms, like that mouse with ear on its back. The ethos seems to have moved from prevention is the best medicine, to replacement is the best treatment (not that that is necessarily a bad thing, it just may lead to complacency and the feeling that any indulgence is O.K. simply because you can replace it later). What's more interesting is that it was NASA that developed this technology, not a Medical Research centre or university, where this has been a goal for a while...
If you could trade what you know about computers
for an equal knowledge of genetics, would you?
Wouldn't it be cool to work on new organs.
My son is working a new "creature". It's all
imaginary now, but, he could live to actually
make it happen.
There are two great things about being able to grow tissue: first, it will alleviate the lack of organ (and tissue) donorship; no more looong waitinglists (during which some people die for a lack of an organ) and no black market for organs. Second, by growing tissue from your own cells, there is no problem with rejection -- it's your own cells.
The problem lies with all those conditions where the organ defect is due to gentical factors. If you have a bad heart due to a genetic disease, the newly grown heart will tend to be susceptible to the same disease that destroyed the old one. Thus, the cells used to make an organ must be genetically altered to remove the condition. The problem is that many genetically transmitted diseases are complex and we have no idea how to repair that damage.
Disclaimer: I'm certainly no expert, take this comment for what it is...
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
Best for my son to go for the low overhead first.
Thanks
How is staying alive not a right? (We are talking about living in a free, democratic society, right?)
Yes HMOs will pay for other STD treatments--you've gotta have a pretty shitty HMO if it won't pay for penicillin. And you know, what they do pay for condoms, too.
The government pays for all these poor people you're complaining about, not the insurance companies, so if your health insurance is charging you higher rates claiming it's because of all these poor people, they're full of shit and they just want any reason to increase you premiums. And trust me, the government doesn't pay much anyway, they won't be raising your taxes, they'll just cut their payments to doctors, since it's easier to deal with a few pissed off people than an entire country of pissed off people.
I say, if you don't want your health insurance to go up, don't do shit that'll kill you (at least, faster than you're already dying.) When you consider anti-HIV cocktails cost roughly $5000 a month, don't you think it's rather irresponsible to say, "Fuck, I don't need a condom, they've got AIDS drugs if I get sick"?
Why is it greedy to want to be compensated for your hard work?
Many of todays doctors have gone through a LOT of shit to get where they are. Getting 4 hours of sleep a night for months on ent while they finish their residencies and all. After doing that much work, they should get well paid, it's not greed it's fairness.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
And, yes, maybe the first beneficiaries of a fully developed technology will be the rich and powerful, but just as a few videophiles need to buy a few hundred thousand HDTV units before mere mortals like me can afford one, that's business for you (and let's not forget that one way or another, every thing is a business venture, even grown organs).
I, and millions, yes, millions, of people would love to have a brand new pancreas so we could throw away the needles and insulin to treat diabetes. New livers, new kidneys, new stomachs ... there are real people with real disease that could benefit from grown organs. Sure, there are people who destroyed their livers or lungs by drinking or smoking, but do we not treat lung cancer just because it is largely self-induced? No.
So, despite the cost, despite the cynicism, despite whatever, let's encourage this kind of research and see what we can come up with.
Admittedly, the reimbursement process in health care is absurd. First off, insurance companies and the government don't pay doctors very much, considering. In California, MediCal (Medicaid) pays I think around $18 for a thirty minute visit, and most private insurance companies don't pay much more than that. HMOs pay around $10 A MONTH, no matter how many times a patient comes to visit. I think plumbers and mechanics make more money than that, and they don't have to go to school for six years and have huge debts to repay.
But still, I don't think there are any starving doctors out there. I know you doctors worked hard to get where you are, but if you have to miss your yearly European vacation every so often and can't afford to buy a new Mercedes now that the money isn't as freely flowing, forgive me if I fail to empathize. Don't get me wrong, I know there are lots and lots of doctors who aren't extravagant and are working hard to make ends meet, but what I'm trying to say is that the few ruin it for the many. These few are the ones who steal billions of dollars a year from Medicare and from private insurance companies, ordering unnecessary tests and procedures (sometimes without performing them) and making up diagnoses and visit dates to pad their pockets. These are the people who help drive up health care costs.
I've been growing human tissue by myself for years now.... :)
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