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Ikonos 1-Meter Resolution Earth Images from Space

Attack Pirate writes "Colorado based Space Imaging will release their first 1-meter resolution pictures from space in a press release here. The images are from their brand new Ikonos spacecraft and they'll be available for purchase. I've had a peek at some sub-sampled stuff and am very impressed with the quality. You can see ... well, just wait until 11:30 PM Mountain time and see for yourself. Backup sites are newswire.spaceimaging.com and www.businesswire.com (click on "Today's Photo Wire"). " I'm going to be tracking a lot of people's movements with this now.

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  1. Hrmmm ... looks like TerraServer pics by |DaBuzz| · · Score: 2

    Well, I've only been able to see ONE pic and it was on Businesswire.com ... these don't look any more detailed than pictures I download all the time from Terraserver.com.

    I'll check again in a few days after their server recovers ... hopefully the businesswire photo is a poor representation of the detail level.

    1. Re:Hrmmm ... looks like TerraServer pics by |DaBuzz| · · Score: 2

      Old pics yes, but they are also at 1-meter in a lot of places. (my city included)

      So is the big draw to this new service the fact that they have "new" pictures and not necessarily detailed ones?

    2. Re:Hrmmm ... looks like TerraServer pics by |DaBuzz| · · Score: 2

      Ahh, aerial VS satellite ... good point.

      I still don't see any "Enemy of the State" implementations just yet.

  2. It's still a one-meter resolution by KeithT · · Score: 2

    Although Ikonos has the sharpest photographic resolution of any commercial satellite, it still can't resolve an image less than 1 meter square. This puts its images in the same class of the USGS aerial photographs, such as those available at terraserver.com. Although buildings and roads are recognizable, and trucks and buses can be distinguished from cars, the resolution is simply too large to detect, let alone recognize, people. So, privacy advocates need not worry much; Big Brother is still very nearsighted.

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  3. 1984? by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 2

    Kind of scary that they'll be selling the pictures. If it's pictures of cities, and populated areas, I'd be worried that people could track movements of others [not that anyone would care about mine, but it's the thought of it all]

    Not much that you can do to stop it though, seeing as how you're allowed to take pictures of wahtever you want [unless someone decides to copyright that] ;)

    Just my .02

  4. Technology overcomes paranoia by rde · · Score: 3

    Given how the US government banjaxed GPS so that it doesn't work as well for the rest of the planet, it's good to see tech like this get through. "But supposing the Despot of the Week get's hold of the images?" I can hear the whines starting already.
    As for the 1984 fears: I think they're unjustified. People's privacy is much more at risk from street cameras and bosses monitoring their email than from an eye in the sky. I don't know how much you'd have to pay Ikonos to track someone for ten minutes, but I imagen it'd be more than your average PI would be willing to pay. And the governments of the world have no need for private satellites; they've mostly got their own.

  5. ... by Signal+11 · · Score: 2
    Hey look at grid 0E2FCC08 everybody! It's Rob - and he's being photogenic in his underwear! *g*



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    1. Re:... by jabber · · Score: 2

      And my house, right there... Looks like the chimney needs cleaning again!

      I'm really looking forward to going home now, and mowing obscene messages into my lawn.
      "Heeeeeere's jabber!" Ha!

      Everyone can now log in and see if I'm going bald yet. Great...

      Ok, I'll be the first to say it... Imagine a beowulf cluster of those puppies.. Like a huge disembodied compound eye, floating around in space.

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  6. He makes a good point by FreeUser · · Score: 2

    Privacy protection in the United States is extremely third world when compared to that afforded citizens of most other developed countries. Companies routinely SELL one another comprehensive data about us, including our likes, dislikes, interests, and purchasing patterns.

    Other countries (such as Germany for example) have very strict laws regulating just how personal information may be used, and severely curtailing the dissemination of the aforsaid information. This sort of regulation, protecting the privacy of the individual, is not only appropriate, it is desperately needed here in the United States and elsewhere. To imply that a satelite snooping into your back yard or through the skylight of your house (or through the roof, if they've got infrared) is the same as glancing across the street at someone entering a grocery store from a public walkway is disingenuous at best. To then argue that therefor any additional or modernized regulations to protect personal privacy is pointless is itself absurd.

    The technology which has been developed in the last fifteen or twenty years to allow people to invade one another's privacy would have been unbelievable even a generation ago. Unfortunately legislation to protect our private lives from the prying eyes of corporations, government, or simply rude, snoopy people has not changed significantly in that time. Public apathy, coupled with an appetite for gossip and snooping, and powerful lobbies (broadcasters and direct mail marketers to name two) have helped insure that our privacy has been wittled down to almost nothing. If a satelite taking pictures of some topless sunbathers in the privacy of their own back yard will elicit public interest in this issue, then by all means start taking some pictures!

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  7. On resolution (and a link to TerraServer by ChrisDolan · · Score: 2

    Many have commented on the 1-m resolution of this spacecraft. This does not mean that each pixel is one meter. In fact, for best results, you usually want 2-3 pixels per resolution element. The reason is the the Nyquist frequency (the fastest you can distinguish details) is a factor of two off from your sampling frequency.

    What this means is that if you have 1-m resolution with 0.5-m pixels, it is just a good quality as 0.5-m resolution with 0.5-m pixels. The reason is that if your resolution matches your pixel density too closely, then the fact that pixels are discrete (or quantized, you might say) becomes very relevent and the image does not look smooth.

    Also, I'd link to post a link to the TerraServer web page which has older pictures covering a LOT of the United States.

    Forgive me for promoting a Microsoft page! :-)

  8. Paranoia Control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3
    Wow...the story's just a few minutes old and already the Slashdot Black Helicopter Conspiracy Theory Brigade is on it like flies on crap.

    Let's disspel a few myths about satellite reconnaissance, like the absurd notion of motion tracking. Firstly, these satellites don't use video cameras, but high resolution linear CCD's, not entirely unlike those found in a desktop scanner. Just as your scanner needs to translate the CCD along the length of the page to produce a 2D image, it's the motion of a satellite along its orbit that produces a 2D image from a 1D sensor. And again like the scanner, it's inherently inappropriate for capturing objects in motion. Secondly, any such satellite has a very fixed path dictated by the altitude and inclination of its orbit (in this case, low orbit for maximum detail and high inclination, nearly polar, for widest coverage) and the rotation of the Earth...as such, the "revisit time" for a satellite to cover any given point more than once is measured in days to weeks. There are minor exceptions, such as some satellites which may point off-nadir on subsequent orbits, but with fuel being a most critical and finite resource, this is a seldom-invoked luxury. But even in this special case, revisit time is still well in excess of an hour, and thus of no use in real-time tracking.

    Or this notion of watches, newspapers and license plates being read from orbit. Urban legends, the lot. There are upper limits to the ground resolution possible with satellite imaging...limits to the purity and accuracy of the optics, bandwidth limitations in simply extracting data from a high-resolution CCD and transmitting it elsewhere (ever seen your scanner overflow and 'back up' at high resolutions? Can't do that with a satellite), and of course the atmospheric limitations...not just the wobbles from refraction, but very simple things like haze and clouds...air simply isn't all that clear. The theoretical and ultimate limit is estimated to be about 15mm...still totally inadequate for even the license plate story. What's more, it apparently simply hasn't occurred to some people that license plates aren't installed on the top surfaces of cars, but on vertical surfaces at the front and/or rear. If we go all out and assume such absurd high resolution is possible anyway, acquiring such images would require an extreme off-nadir angle, which would put the target several hundred or thousand miles more distant. Not only do more distant objects subtend a smaller angle on the sensor (covering fewer pixels), but now there's those several hundred miles of extra atmospheric haze and distortion to contend with. It's simply not an option. Such stories are most likely bastardizations (and still overly optimistic) of what's possible with aerial reconnaissance from planes, in which nadir angle, distance, and atmospheric phenomenon are less an issue.

    Then there's the simple fact that it takes a considerable amount of time and manual intervention to process and prepare this data for distribution...it's not like there's a pipe coming out of the satellite and straight to the web. The amount of data in these images is simply enormous, and it requires inordinate work and time to acquire, process, convert and archive all this information. Even the "freshest" images may be weeks to months old. Nobody is going to see whether you're home right now using this technology. Nobody is reading your license plate. Nobody is tracking your location. Life isn't an intriguing and action-packed episode of the X-Files. Get over it.

  9. Re:Better than 1 meter res by pbkg · · Score: 2

    The one metre is when taking the pictures on an angle, ala to the sides, but when facing straight down the performance is much better. Also at the sides of the image the distortion due to a number of factors, lens distortion, refraction..., means that the accuracy at the corners is less than that of the middle. The error function is a spherical one.

  10. Rights to use pictures taken without permission by WillAffleck · · Score: 2

    Not true. Many states outlaw the commercial sale of pictures of individuals without their consent, as do many countries. It doesn't matter if it's in space or on the ground - it's still illegal. Not that it's easy to prosecute.

    You could always put a sign on the top of your car and your house stating:

    "You do not have my permission to photograph me. Should you do so without a proper court order, you hereby agree to pay me $1 billion per picture per person who sees said picture, per viewing minute.
    Signed ... (your signature)"

    Of course, they'll probably repro your signature and do a reverse trace on your car and house to get your credit info and suck your bank account dry and take out a loan on your house, but it's the thought that counts ....

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  11. No more conspiracy theories! by Fastolfe · · Score: 3

    Jesus I wish Slashdot authors would stop feeding everyone's paranoia.

    1-meter resolution is *hardly* anything to get worked up about. They *might* be able to tell if your car is parked in front of your house or not. 1-meter resolution is insufficient to detect the very *presence* of a person, much less that person's identity.

    There are also few legal issues to worry about. It's generally held that anything out in the open/public is fair game as far as photography is concerned. If you wish privacy, take your activities in private.

    These images are also *very* static. You aren't going to be able to track the movements of *anything*. Assuming the camera takes a picture of the same geographical reason a second time, the time between the first image and the second will be months if not years. There aren't evil people sitting in bunkers everywhere watching live video coverage of you getting up in the morning and driving to work. Who the fuck cares about your boring life? Get over it. There is no privacy concern and no conspiracies going on here.

  12. Legal to photograph Area 51 Nevada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2
    IIRC, after much wrangling, the US and USSR agreed that no one owns space. This let both nations happily spy on each other from satellites for decades. Now the tech is cheap where small companies can afford to do this. What would the law say if this satellite was used to snap photos of the US-denied-to-exist facility near Groom Lake at the Nevada Test Site.

    Or better yet, ticket illegally parked vehicles from space! LAPD sat records show your vehicle parked in a handicapped zone at 12:34pm, 10/12/99. Next thing you know, DMV will require license plate numbers on the tops of vehicles.

  13. I wonder if ... by |DaBuzz| · · Score: 3

    ... their camera is getting a good picture of their web server going up in flames under the enormous geek induced load these pics are causing.

    If anyone can get in and mirror a few, please let me know.

  14. Better than 1 meter res by Don+Negro · · Score: 2

    At least one of the planes at the end of the circular terminal is a McDonnell Douglas DC9. The engines on a DC9 aren't longer than 2 or 3 meters, yet they seem to be between 4 and 6 pixels in length.

    It must be like DSL, where they gaurantee [sp] a certain minimum performance, and then routinely deliver in excess of it.

    Don Negro

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  15. A private company selling 1-meter res pix isn't ne by aheitner · · Score: 3

    When Reagan sold off the LANDSAT program to the private sector, a company named something like EEOS (I honestly don't remember) bought the thing, then started selling the images back to the public. The last LANDSAT that worked (one was lost) was something like IV, and it had (among other equipment) a 1-meter res imager in a couple of bands.

    LANDSAT VII (Launched or about to be launched) should be back in the public domain, and will provide similar res images in a great many more bands (200+ iirc).

    Amazing how you can apply what you learning in Geoscience!