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Anonymous Coward writes "Girl Geeks Launch Picosatellite
Artemis, a team of
Girl Geeks at
the Santa Clara University have designed and built a pico-satellite. An
EE Times article
says the Santa Clara women spent
over 5000 hours designing and building the satellite. Ham radio operators
will be able to tune in and listen to the telemetry from the satellite
to be launched from Vandenburg Air Force Base in Lompoc, California.
The girls took the name of their team from Artemis, the Greek hunter
godesss of the moon."
ASU also has a satellite getting launched at Vandenburg AFB. You can check out the website at http://www.eas.asu.edu/~nasasg/a susat/asusat1.html. It's got lots of info on the design and stuff. The ground control software is written in Java and the development platform for that is Linux. Pretty cool project.
Anyway, the idea of the project is to eventually produce arrays of these mini-sats, all communicating w/ one another and mission control.
I hate to say it... but sounds like (no--don't say it) a perfect application (someone stop me!) for a (Noooooooo!) Beowulf Cluster!
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I also go to SCU, but would disagree that these chicks "party every weekend." From what I understand they think they partied, but couldn't if they tried. I agree there are tons smarter at SCU--did anyone ever stop to think about what is really invovled in building a little fucking box that beeps shit? The ME stuff is trivial, and the EE stuff is even easier. So they put a board in space...big deal? Just because it's in space makes it better than another circuit that does the same shit? Give me a break.
I know I am going to try out the cross-band ham repeater. The launch schedule is located here.
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I find your remark to be quite trite and vengeful, first of all EE is not easier than ME i know from experence and from what most professors would judge as tough. EE is difficult you would know if you had any real classes in EE. Unless you happen to be Tim from one of my classes which i doubt you are. And if you haven't had any upper division classes in EE then I suggest you keep your mouth shut unless you want to lose some teeth. Yes conceptually EE is easier than string theory or relativity but the level of detail and taking into account all of the physical variables is where the difficulties come in. Personally I am in EE for the money, I want to eventually become fluent in string theory but i have to do this to have a stable career. one last thing only the ignorant belittle things in which they don't understand or are not interested in...Give the girls some credit they did get it sent up...
Hmmm...
I'm not sure this is a myth. Seems like there are those that do computers for money, and those that do computers as a way of life. Or more. For some people, computers are more important than life. Or air. Or food. Or anything.
I'll submit to you that the 20-odd grad students you know that don't go home and immediately fire up a computer are not serious hackers.
They are the "for the money" type, not the "way of life" type.
Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
yours truly,
A boy who likes girls
You must spend a lot of time sulking, considering the staggering number of accomplishments made by all-male teams
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How dare you suggest that these women are NOT real engineers? How would you like it if someone told you that you shouldn't go into any technical field, but should instead stay home and take care of the children? Women (and men) can make anything of their lives that they want to. If I feel I have the skill and desire to become an engineer, it doesn't matter if I'm male or female, I should be allowed to at least attempt it. If I would rather be a homemaker, I can do that as well. The point is that no one should be forced into a role they don't want. Besides, how is it that letting women become engineers means "man... denied the opportunity for achievement and mastery"?!!!
According to the "team player" link on the SCREEM, there's at least one guy on the team. Here's the bio they provide:
DUNCAN LAURIE is the God of Computer Engineering. He is responsible for the flight code of the three picosatellites, along with interns, Erik Jonsson and Robbie Schingler. Duncan likes to go days without sleeping. Erik doesn't like frogs or slurpees, Robbie likes frogs, and Duncan's pet snake eats frogs.
Looks like the women can't live without us just yet!
You sure that it was a paint chip? I thought it was Armstrong's golf ball.
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He could have been referred to as a "guest girl geek", sort of like after a "guest diva", like Elton John. Remember the show "Divas Live!".
PLEASE TRY AGAIN.
Hey, let's not forget that women are also the "mothers" of the world. Unlike men, women can't have totally wild lives, else they would be called "sluts". Women also like to demonstrate they have diversity. Just think what you'd be like if you're mother never insisted you taking interests in things outside of computing/hacking/electronic so you could get some "culture".
Why should this suprise any one some of the best engineers are female even though I am male...
I must applaud their choice of acronyms: "The Santa Clara Remote Extreme Environment Mechanism (SCREEM)".
Werd.
how about more ham news?
"The things we wizards have to put up with."--Jethro Bodine
Since when was 'woman' a different sex to 'girl'?
:P
And don't be offensive to us pigs, either
~Tim
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There were women working on sats since the voyager days. So the team that built this one is all female. Big deal. Most of us already knew that women were good at math and science.
I know normal satelites and space craft regularlly get struck by crap left in space that's in earth orbit. I think an 8inch long satelite is cool, but take a piece of metal moving at a nice clip and the bastard is toast.
it's a step up from "smart chicks" I suppose, but what do I know, I'm just a pig, a sexist one at that...
(Just to clarify, the parent comment to this is a followup to someone else's, not an original.)
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Otherwise: I noted that one of the goals was to 'encourage women to persue engineering'. Initial thought: "oh no, someone thinks there have to be more females in Engineering". Second thought: better that they encourage women to take part in engineering, than that they tell engineers to make their profession more female-friendly.
As a general point on this 'equal opportunity' discrimination lark, I'd *much* prefer things to be this way round - rather than arbitrarily imposing ideas like 'must be 50-50 male/female', it should be acknowleged that guys & gals are attracted to different things differently.
So, that said, good on them for getting there with the satellite!
Next thought: I'm still searching for a one-liner purpose for the "mission". It seems to have a circular purpose that it goes up there, broadcasting the website (URL? Content?) so that radio amateurs can go visit it. When they get there, check the 'mission' link, they get something that looks to be saying "we put this here so you'd find it"... erm...
Oh yeah. If it's a team of only "girl geeks", what's someone with a name of Duncan being involved in the computer engineering side?
~Tim
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It's not Duncan Laurie, it's Laurie Duncan. Sheesh. What an idiot.
Even as a white male, I take offense to this. The reason is that you use the nature of God for your sexist, racist rant. God is not a republican, democrat, independant, or libitarian. God is God.
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The fact that you used him as a reason for your own shortcomings is appaling.
Sure, I even posted a sexist comment on this, but more as just a jab. I did not intend to discourage women engineers, nor did I bring the name of God into it.
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While the above post is pure hyperbole (and pretty damn good hyperbole at that), the funniness of it is somewhat diminished by the fact that there are actually people who think this way. Anyway, good job on a provocative post .. let's see how many people take the bait.
what a bollocks. Many of your breadwinners in trenches are wasting their time posting to Slashdot while at the same time, the real trenches are the continuing 24 hour care of screaming children (+ cooking, washing, cleaning etc.). This labour (and its considerable cost if it were to be expressed in terms of money) is simply not factored in your trenches attitude.
Sucks to be him?
I dunno, spending lots of time outnumbered by smart, geeky women sounds kind of fun. But then I've always worked well with women, and have had several women managers and co-workers.
I think it's great that's it was a multidisplinary team. On my two Aerospace engineering class projects ( 4 person business turboprop and experimental solar sail), it was all Aerospace undergrads, we fudged the EE and CS stuff. No women on our teams either, if I recall, you would have had to combine the classes of 88, 89 and 90 to get six women Aerospace undergrads.
George
For their senior project, these kids launched a freakin' satellite.
Much as I hate hardware (stupid evil sound card of doom sound cards, especially, at the moment), I'm pretty impressed.
"So, what'd you do last weekend?"
"Oh, we put our satellite, that we built because we wanted to, into orbit. You?"
I for one have always preferred the ease of Pico over vi when it comes to simple text editing. I am thrilled to discover that my chosen text editor now has satellite capability as well.
"Prejudice is wrong; you should hate everyone the same."
Oh.. the men programmer thing is hardly worth reacting to... the first computer programmer in history was a woman.. just can't come up with her name of the top of my head..
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness.
--Sheikh Abd-Al-Kadir, 1587
At that point, everyone can have their own personal communications satellite, c/o artemis, and, add in some lenses and a ccd, and everyone can have their own personal intelligence satellite.
Now my heart pines. Wanted: geek girl who is building a 500-foot Gerald Bull rail gun.
-T
And then you get men that not only work a full day (and it's lunchtime for me, that's why I'm posting), and then spend all their time t home doing the cooking, cleaning, child caring, etc while the wife sits on her ass in front of her computer.
Geralizations and assumptions do nothing more than make you look stupid. And as for the above statement, that is the EXACT situation I'm in most of the time, so kiss off.
I don't think discussions about how reporting is done are off topic. It does make a difference whether you pick a condescending term to describe the six grown up, educated, female scientists.
I prefer the Gnotepad+ satellite. Sure, it may require an X Launch delivery system, which is resource intensive and reuires more modern hardware, but it sure is pretty, what with all the colored fonts and italics and all.
George
To all the chauvanist, patronizing, male bastards: grow up
To all the reactionary, defensive, humorless female bastards: get a life
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Why is the fact that women are the chief architects of this exercise any more significant that if men did it; from a gender equality perspective, doesn't focusing on the gender aspect of this accomplishment do more to pale the achievement than it does to highlight it?
I've worked on many embedded system software projects. It's a matter of economics as to what hardware and operating system (if any) are used. Most of the projects that used to be designed for single board computers are now done on rack mount PCs with standard operating systems. These are low volume (less than 100 units) systems. Linux is starting to catch on because it is free, reliable and includes source code, software development tools and networking. Memory and processing power are cheap, custom hardware and software are expensive. I could write my own OS kernel, device drivers and IP stack in assembly language or C, but it would be a huge waste of time and money.
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Where is Robimbo's moral outrage on the "sexual differentiation" in this article? I guess he is only against "sexual differentiation" when it elicits an emotion in his soft liberal head.
What I meant about "sucks to be him" was the attention to the "six female" students. There's this one fella that doesn't get any attention/credit to the project, just the rest of his team.
There are many (that is, isn't not uncommon) student run projects developing, designing, building, and even managing small scale spacecraft/space instrument projects. Check out the Space Grant College and specifically, the Colorado Space Grant Consortium. There have been an increasing number of females involved here, I might add.
And I do not get too upset with general accomplishments of an all male team, but rather get upset at what are specifically advertised as an all particular-gender team. That is, I expect women to be able to do as much as any man would do. Making a big deal out a women doing something tells me that you didn't think they could accomplish the task. It's this mentality I dislike. Apologies, I realize my comment was a little vague.
Again, I'm glad to see this work. I can't wait until this level of work occurs in high schools. There are some high schools that are beginning to be involved in these projects, so there's encouragement.
~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
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"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
Richard von Weizs
I think that using commercial off-the-shelf stuff says something about the rapid adoption of technology into mainstream (though I still would have thought a radiation hardened CPU would be better). Basically, anything which is considered cutting edge will probably be commonplace in another 7-10 years.
... design your own hamster cloning project with cells grown on the local school satellite .... :-(
I can see 2050 high school projects now
When we start talking about the good ol' days of Linux hacking, then its time to quit mainstream and find something new to do.
LL
Comparatively speaking, programming is really goddamn easy. That's why I (a guy, by the way, not that it matters to anybody with a brain) went into programming instead of hardware engineering: I work hard, but working that hard isn't my idea of fun.
I don't understand this comparative statement. If you're good at it and enjoy it, practically anything is easy. I do both hardware and software design for a living (embedded systems) and as such you find days where the hardware just flys by and days where you are scratching your head trying to figure out why the software just ain't working, and then later on it reverses...
It's all relative to what you like and what you're good at.
Comparatively speaking, programming is really goddamn easy. That's why I (a guy, by the way, not that it matters to anybody with a brain) went into programming instead of hardware engineering: I work hard, but working that hard isn't my idea of fun.
I don't understand this comparative statement. If you're good at it and enjoy it, practically anything is easy. I do both hardware and software design for a living (embedded systems) and as such you find days where the hardware just flys by and days where you are scratching your head trying to figure out why the software just ain't working, and then later on it reverses...
It's all relative to what you like and what you're good at.
Many of your breadwinners in trenches are wasting their time posting to Slashdot while at the same time, the real trenches are the continuing 24 hour care of screaming children (+ cooking, washing, cleaning etc.). This labour (and its considerable cost if it were to be expressed in terms of money) is simply not factored in your trenches attitude.
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Amen! and I'm a men!
As I said to my wife the other night... it's a team effort... she gets kind of upset (ninth month pregnant, etc.) and starts sorrowing about how she can't work and she feels useless and everything, but it's a team effort. She keeps the house and makes it a home, and I enable us to have the house. She feeds me and keeps me healthy, and I use that to keep us fed and sheltered.
She can 'tolerate' our three year old where I find myself getting angry when he's not doing what he is supposed to. She diffuses an arguement between a 3 year old and a 23 year old before I make an ass of myself. Somehow she manages to keep a good demeanor on almost no sleep and makes sacrifices for the family. I get my sleep because of it, and can work hard to bring home extra money to help the family.
The world will never be 100% equality, because men and women are different. Different strengths, different abilities (physically speaking), different ways of looking at things to solve problems.
So no, your 5'4" 98lb woman will never be a fireman (er.. person), but it's not sexist... she can't physically do the work. Simiarly a man will never be a true mother, nor have the abilities to become one (freakish medical science apart from this).
I lived in my house by myself for a few years... it was where I lived, but it wasn't quite a home... more a three-story computer lab. When she came into my life things changed...fast. And despite my dislike of having to squish things into smaller spaces, the house -- and myself -- are better for it. I now have a home and a family.
What's amazing is that people like this actually exist in our civilized society today. I'd bet the above wretched creature fits the following profile:
1) Listens to too much Rush Limbaugh
2) Is somewhat of a repeated failure, and blames it on women or immigrants
3) Has difficulty talking to women socially
4) Quite frustrated in his life and spends lots of time in self pity. He's also sensitive and likely to be hurt by these kinda charaterizations.
OTOH, notice his spelling and grammar. He's not a retard - it's ironic that he has a moderate intelligence but has stunted growth in some areas. Particularly odd is how he twists around the concepts of "freedom" and "choice" and makes strange leaps of logic marked by strong emotions.
And _I_ thought that the Artemis satellite would be a powerful smart space mine to protect the solar system from invaders.
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Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Why some much emphasis on the fact that they were female, when the technology is quite interesting on it's own?
Comparatively speaking, programming is really goddamn easy. That's why I (a guy, by the way, not that it matters to anybody with a brain) went into programming instead of hardware engineering.
I've found the exact opposite to be true. I started out designing embedded systems (both hardware & software), but found the hardware design so unchallenging & unrewarding that I gave it up to concentrate exclusively on software development, and I haven't looked back since.
Well, it's not like they're building a million of these things. Whether it fits in 8192 bytes or 128 Meg, doesn't really matter on a one-shot project being done for fun/experience.
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cool, cause im opposite of that...i don't have a head for hardware (i understand how it works, but i could never design an IC to save my life). Software, however, seems much easier and straight forward for me (its why i dig linux so much...such a programmer-oriented culture ^_^ )
"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix
actually, i think its a kinda bad idea thousands, if not tens of thousands of small pieces of metal flying in orbit at damn fast speeds. After they've been used up, i hope they are told to drop out of orbit and burn up on reentry, otherwise you got a buttload of new space garbage
"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix
Ah, Linda Lovelace. No wait, she was famous for polishing rockets, not programming and launching them. Perhaps you're thinking of overbloated-overspecced-defense-department-program ming-language-from-hell Lovelace? No wait, that's not it, either. Even the thought of C++ Lovelace troubles me too much. C Lovelace. Yes, that has a nice ring to it. I think if I ever have a daughter, I will name her C. C Sloppy. See Sloppy run. Run, Sloppy, run!
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The launch that takes OPAL up is the same launch taking ASUSAT up. There are three other birds going up at the same time too. JAWSAT - from Weber State University in Ogden UT has experiments from their school, Marshall Space Flight Center, and some Ham radio stuff too. This is the bus for the entire launch. Bolted to it are all the other satellites. (This is out of order, Falconsat is the last to leave I believe.) Once in orbit, Falconsat a satellite from the Air Force Academy will pop off the top of the stack. ASUSAT, OPAL, and OCS (Optical Calibration Sphere from the Air Force Research Labs) will all pop off the sides. Then JAWSAT will leave the launch vehicle last and float around up there for approx 40 years. The launch vehicle is a Minuteman II ballistic missile with a Pegasus fourth stage. It's nicknamed the Minotaur. WSU's Center for Aerospace Technology
The feministe agenda is a part of the big lie. Given the many superior capabilities of women, all I have to say is that when God made Eve at a helper measured to Adam, Adam must have been a giant of a man. The precidament in which you propose, correctly, that modern women face was in large part created by us men. We have let them down, not vice versa.
who is the stronger, in terms of capacity to do work required to maintain society, man or woman? Big Lie=Man. Women make babies, carry 20 lbs. of child on one arm and 20 lbs. of groceries on the other, manage the books of a household, and do it continuously 400 months straight on 4 ounces of food and 4 hours of sleep. This regime would kill a man. To man, a 4-minute mile, or a 4-hour marathon, is a test of physical "endurance."
whose brain is more efficient, prehaps even intelligent, in terms of ability to indentify information, gather it, organize it, store it and retrieve it? Big Lie=Man. Like myself now, men are constantly blasting off, focusing on this point or that point, while women listen, gather sort and organize information about everything else going on in the room. The recent /. article on AI was right on point on this, about how intelligence is in the timing differences of synapses. In term's of brain structure, men's neurons are organized in cubes, women's in tetrahedrons. The timing differences of these two shapes, and the smaller cellular packing, i.e. in terms of neuron timing, the faster neuron spacing, makes the brains of women "faster" than that of men, in that their brains respond to a higher frequency of information.
God did not write men out of the picture. He gave them higher capacity for physical impulse, and their "slower," i.e. the longer timing synchronicity of their brain structures, gives them an inclination to see a more distant horizon than women's brains can in general perceive.
On this point, God's law is real simple. When society organizes so as to be inefficient at its one overwhelmingly most important task, that of raising children in concord with natural law, the society is destroyed.
What geek women, who slave away for the usury of their trinkets, i.e. for "recognition" by a how-sexy-are-your-blue-jeans society: "the man," are going to find out is that their men, if women continue to use men for breeding or raising children, do not have the necessary physical endurance and the necessary mental capacity to change gears quickly, required for the efficient raising of children. The endless physical energy and mental speed changes required to raise a child, will soon enough destroy either the man or the child.
A few generations of dumbed down children, and children raised by physically and mentally exhausted men will be dumbed down, and natural law or God's law on inefficient raising of children kicks in: For want of children who understand natural law, society is destroyed.
On the way out fringes of feminism, the long range challenge for geek women, i.e. for the survival of "mankind" in space, is to figure out a way to steal from the seed of their fathers, i.e. to clone-breed women only, eliminating the inefficiency and imbalance, and vision distance or creativity, of men.
Their picosat, StenSat, has external solar cells for an extended mission and a FM voice (earth uplink/ sat downlink) transponder as well ( See, http://www.erols.com/hheidt ). You can find out about all the picosats that will be launched from Stanford's OPAL page at, http://ssdl.stanford.edu/opal/index.html
"The world will never be 100% equality, because men and women are different."
That's true to some extent, though I would say *people* are different. Some males may have a knack for nurturing and some females may do better as firefighters. There are 5'4" 98lb men, and 6'6" 250lb women, right?
People shouldn't be directed away from a profession due to their sex unless there is some objective reason it matters. If they're too short and weak to be a firefighter, fine, use that as the reason. To say *no* women can/should be firefighters, and *no* single men can/should be parents is what gets folks upset, there is no reason to use sex as the discriminating factor.
Let people find the direction that suits them without having statistical proof of unsuitability thrown in their face. We don't need strict roles for sexes, but rather job qualifications to determine if individuals, regardless of their demographics, are well enough suited to the task.
Heh, this should be moderated up as 'Fucking HILARIOUS'! This is the funniest post I've read here in 2 or 3 days!
Kintanon
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Here's a bit of advice from one Anonymous Coward to the next (you). Perhaps, you need something warm and human to cuddle with at night! Computers are so cold and pointy! Ouch!
what a bollocks. Many of your breadwinners in trenches are wasting their time posting to Slashdot while at the same time, the real trenches are the continuing 24 hour care of screaming children (+ cooking, washing, cleaning etc.). This labour (and its considerable cost if it were to be expressed in terms of money) is simply not factored in your trenches attitude.
Ok... I've thought quite a bit about this, and I just can't figure out. Could you please explain this to me, Who is forcing you to have children? I just don't see it...
Personally I work full time (I'm a tech, if it don't break I ain't busy) so that my GF can develop her webdesign/hosting business along with the female half of another couple, the male half of which also works full time. I would expect the same of her if I was working on a business idea that I thought could get off the ground and needed her to support us for a few months. I don't see anything wrong with this, and I STILL can't figure out who's forcing people to have children...
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Where did this come from?
This group was students. The article talked about juggling classes, part time jobs and this project. I saw no indication that these women were being supported by male breadwinners. (As students they may well be supported by parents, but that's irrelevant to your point and as likely to apply to male students).
There is probably a certain amount of truth in you r theory, but it's off-topic and not really a new development, other than the stuff done changing. It's mostly an upper/upper-middle class thing. In the past it's mostly been volunteer work etc. I don't any real change here.
Now women being breadwinners so men can 'do stuff' (code open source projects?), That would be more of a change.
thejeff
He's also sensitive and likely to be hurt by these kinda charaterizations.
. . . but will deny savagely that he's hurt, while accusing you of "persecuting" him.
notice his spelling and grammar. He's not a retard - it's ironic that he has a moderate intelligence but has stunted growth in some areas.
Honestly, I don't think I've ever run into a sincere right-wing nut who could generate that much output without screwing up the spelling and/or grammar. I'll still give better than even odds that it's a joke.
Particularly odd is how he twists around the concepts of "freedom" and "choice" and makes strange leaps of logic marked by strong emotions.
But those childish rhetorical word games are standard right-wing operating procedure. For example, the Christian Identity people claim that anybody who calls them "anti-semitic" is a liar and a fraud. Why? Because CI have retroactively defined themselves as the real Israelites -- so they can't be anti-semitic, because they call themselves semites! It's pathetic, because that's not how language works. A word may as well be presumed to "mean" what it is commonly accepted to mean, because that's how it will be interpreted anyway. Right wing nuts of all descriptions seem to have a strange obsession with the Word, especially in terms of the law but also elsewhere. They appear to believe that if you can invent a new definition for a word (or a new interpretation of a law) and "prove" the "correctness" of that definition or interpretation, that you have thereby changed the meaning and intent of the word or law itself. This is very strange. It's an essentially magical view of reality, a belief that all things are mutable and subjective, while the Immutable Word that describes these things is not altered. This is what conspiracy theories and Holocaust denial are about: Reality as Text, for which the theorist builds up an aesthetically and logically consistent interpretation (cf. the works of philosophers in Borges "Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius"). For all their hatred of current academic literary criticism, Pat Buchanan and Rush Limbaugh (and, even more so, their more extreme cousins) are among the foremost deconstructionist critics now active. It's just that their chosen text is history, not those things that we call novels. Nabokov may have sneered at paranoia as "banal" matter for a novel, but any coherent novel is a paranoid system by necessity: It's a world with a single unifying principle, or at most a small number of related ones. (Where does that leave Thomas Pynchon, anyway? How serious is he about Them? Pynchon's real-life ancestors, by the way, appear in Hawthorne's novel The House of the Seven Gables -- is it real, or . .
And then you get men that not only work a full day (and it's lunchtime for me, that's why I'm posting), and then spend all their time t home doing the cooking, cleaning, child caring, etc while the wife sits on her ass in front of her computer.
Geralizations and assumptions do nothing more than make you look stupid. And as for the above statement, that is the EXACT situation I'm in most of the time, so kiss off.
Luckily for me my GF loves to cook (she was going to be a chef but didn't like 12+ hour days) so I get GREAT meals, I do all the cleaning and work full time (more like play with 'puters all day). I love it, we have a great relationship. So it IS possible for it to work. Unless 1/2 of the couple is a jackass...
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Last year, I was walking through Benson Memorial Center(read: The Place That Shoves Surprisingly Decent Slop Down Our Throats), and I saw a sign inviting us to go check out the Picosatellite.
Unfortunately, I saw the sign a few days too late. I had missed a major golden geek opportunity.
Santa Clara actually does have a damn cool engineering program--I know, I go there. My kudos to these very ambitious students, and those faculty who (I assume) helped them get their project into orbit.
Yours Truly,
Dan Kaminsky
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010 Women are good at math
007 Women are used to breaking barriers
006 Many would argue that it takes a rocket scientist to understand men
005 Perhaps Rush Limbaugh is right and there are Feminazis - and they'll target him from space!
004 Actually, size does matter
003 Communication satellites: More Lifetime, less WWF
002 Better priorities: first cargo would be an array of women's toilets in space - if they can't get a reasonable number on Earth they'll get 'em in space!
001 Launch vehicles that look like giant breasts or vaginas finally get some real consideration.
000 Female piloted satellites won't get lost since they'll actually ask for directions (and listen to them) before making a manuever.
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It appears that these women weren't proud enough of their work, so they had to play the gender card. That's really sad. Women can be good at engineering, science, and math. They shouldn't have to lie about the team to get publicity though. I'm a female, and frankly I'm insulted that they would play the gender card like this. It gives women and engineers a bad name. Succeed on your talent and intelligence....not you gender. They're sad.
Where did they "play the gender card" in terms of the engineering they did? And what makes you believe they're not good enough to succeed?
You seem to think that acknowledging their gender somehow excludes competence. That's idiotic. Evaluate their work on its own merits, okay? What's so hard about that?
Quite frankly, our culture has a ubiquitous awareness of the fact that guys can do this stuff; if women are doing it too, a little PR is a fine thing. If there's no PR, people will claim that no women are doing engineering; if there is PR, people (like you) will try to use it against them . . . They're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Well, hey. I guess what they're doing is whatever they damn well want to do (primarily engineering), just as if they were free citizens instead of women. And they probably don't really give a damn what you think about it.
YOU FORGOT TO PRESS YOUR CAPS-LOCK KEY FIRST.
PLEASE TRY AGAIN.
That's a damn good one. I may just plagiarize it myself, given that Biff's name is Legion around these parts . . .
man i remember back in the day asking some amateur rocket people how hard it would be to get low earth orbit. damn this is fucking cool!
If you go to the site and check out the About Us... ...
you'll notice that all the programming was done by
yup you guessed it.
Men.
-- snip --
DUNCAN LAURIE is the God of Computer Engineering. He is responsible for the flight code of the three picosatellites, along with interns, Erik Jonsson and Robbie Schingler. Duncan likes to go days without sleeping. Erik doesn't like frogs or slurpees, Robbie likes frogs, and Duncan's pet snake eats frogs.
-- snip --
Most of the women I know prefer to be refered to as 'girls' (or 'grrrls'). It's a state of mind. Anyway, they don't need you to try to stand up for them.
Was the satellite painted pink and does it run Linux?
I don't think the guy in the group (Duncan Laurie, I believe) would appreciate either one...
Could this Pico sattellite possibly improve the performance of existing Sega Pico systems. I for one would love to be able to network such an amazing drawing/storybook-esque console gaming system!
Hope they're insulated. ;> P.S. I'm inclined to agree with the first poster. .. "Woman Geeks" is a lot better than, ugh, "Girl Geeks."
So it's an all female team? According to their home page they are a group of "six female undergraduate senior engineers". It's a little misleading, suggesting the team is made up of only these engineering students. The total number of students is seven. Look at the Team List. There is one guy: Duncan Laurie, self proffessed "God of Computer Engineering".
I'm all for women in engineering, there is plenty of room for more. However, let's be team players and all work together. I am discouraged whenever a same sex team accomplishes something.
Good luck to the group. I certainly had fun doing similar work in college.
~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
~afniv
"Man könnte froh sein, wenn die Luft so rein wäre wie das Bier"
Richard von Weizs
How does Duncan feel about being called a 'girl geek' I wonder?
I'm working with 3-4 other graduate students very closely and know at least 10-20 others very well. There's not a single one I know who, after a hard day's work of hacking, goes home and immediately fires up a computer. And grad students tend to be pretty serious hackers.
Everyone I know here has hobbies that have little or nothing to do with electronics. Volleyball, fishing, music, dancing, acting, you name it.
Society seems to view engineers as very one-dimensional people. I submit that engineers are some of the most well-rounded individuals around. They're just very dedicated to their work and thus seem to be completely immersed in it.
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no one should be forced into a role they don't want.
My point, as you'd have noticed if you had a brain, was that they are being forced into a role they don't want: That of engineer. That is a role they are simply not equipped to perform or enjoy, and in which they are not equipped by nature to be interested. If they'd been allowed to make their own choices instead of being coerced into this nonsense by feminazis and other liberals, they would never, ever have chosen to try to become cheap imitations of men. Free people will tend to make the best choices for themselves, assuming that they've been given a proper background in real moral values instead of cheap academic ideology. Since these girls made a grotesquely wrong choice, obviously they're either not free, or woefully ill-informed (which comes to the same thing, because freedom is worthless without the knowledge to use it wisely and morally).
What really breaks my heart is the thought of the poor girls trying to live this male life. The guilt, shame, and despair must be unbearable for them. I wish there were some way I could help them.
how is it that letting women become engineers means "man... denied the opportunity for achievement and mastery"?!!!
Several ways: First, these girls are filling classroom seats (and, later on, jobs) that should go to qualified people instead. Those qualified people, left out in the cold, are being denied their rightful opportunities. Second, the loss of those qualified people does irreparable harm to the economy, resulting in lost productivity and lost jobs. This causes even greater shrinkage in the job market, thus destroying yet more opportunities for achievement and mastery.
Hmmm If you think girl geeks, are ugly m'dear. you are looking in the wrong places.
there are always the noticibly hygenically challenged with any extreme...However there are many which dont fit the normal view of the "ugly nerd syndrome".
ok these things have a 9600 baud uplink/downlink and they are small and cheap. you could splatter them all over the sky and use them and tell 'iridium' and all that other crap to go fuck itself!
- "History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men" -- Blue Oyster Cult, 'Godzilla'
baaaarrrrrfffffff!!
These prefixes are horribly inflated. There is nowhere near a factor 1000 between nanosatellites and picosatellites. Won't be long before we get femtosatellites now.
-Lars
damn this is fucking cool!
absolutely! amen to that! fuck!
People shouldn't be directed away from a profession due to their sex unless there is some objective reason it matters. If they're too short and weak to be a firefighter, fine, use that as the reason. To say *no* women can/should be firefighters, and *no* single men can/should be parents is what gets folks upset, there is no reason to use sex as the discriminating factor.
I never ever meant to imply that men couldn't be caring parents and women firefighters. I was trying to make a point that there are a lot of (I'm gonna use the word stupid) politically-correct people out there who seem to think that it's their god-given right to equality, regardless of extenuating circumstances. I used the 5'1" 98lb firewoman as I believe there was actually a case like that here in Canada a while ago. I want a firefighter capable of carrying my sorry unconscious ass out of a fire, not helplessly trying to drag me out and having to call for help.
I agree with you completely that people should find work for themselves in whatever fields they desire. But if they don't get it because of some valid reason, don't wave the flag of discrimination.
I dunno; I guess I'm a bit touchy this subject, being a white male and all.
Does anybody know what's needed to put something into orbit? Say a small satelite with a small digital video camera with a transmitter that transmits the video image of the earth back to the ground? I'm talking something really small. Would it be possible for a hobbyist to do it?
I go to SCU, undergrad comp eng., and I have heard about this project. I think it's pretty cool. -There is no spoon-
> who is the stronger, in terms of capacity to do
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> work required to maintain society, man or woman?
> Big Lie=Man. Women make babies, carry 20 lbs. of
> child on one arm and 20 lbs. of groceries on the
> other, manage the books of a household, and do
> it continuously 400 months straight on 4 ounces
> of food and 4 hours of sleep. This regime would
> kill a man. To man, a 4-minute mile, or a 4-hour
> marathon, is a test of physical "endurance."
Silly exaggeration, that'd kill anyone. Dare I say society needs both sexes? I'm a guy. Since when was that a crime? That's beside the point, I know. The point is, which sex is stronger. I've known girls who are greatly smarter than me. And others who weren't. Same with physical strength, endurance, speed at learning. Some more, some less.
And since when is stronger better? Aren't we all geeks here?
> whose brain is more efficient, prehaps even
> intelligent, in terms of ability to indentify
> information, gather it, organize it, store it
> and retrieve it? Big Lie=Man. Like myself now,
> men are constantly blasting off, focusing on
> this point or that point, while women listen,
> gather sort and organize information about
> everything else going on in the room.
Oh, I'm a listener, just in a talkative mood right now. Maybe if I talk reasonably instead of in an insulted way, I can improve the reputation of guys as a whole? Worth a shot. There are women who think all guys are jerks, pigs. Maybe I can show them that's not so.
As for the "more intelligent" part, it used to be quite socially acceptable to talk about how a Hispanic or Asian brain was genetically incapable of matching the superior Caucasian intelligence. Of course now, we know how ridiculus that is. Now some women are using the same argument against guys. It'll blow over, I'm sure. If it doesn't, I'll manage to get a good job anyway, I'm sure.
> In term's of brain structure, men's neurons are
> organized in cubes, women's in tetrahedrons. The
> timing differences of these two shapes, and the
> smaller cellular packing, i.e. in terms of
> neuron timing, the faster neuron spacing, makes
> the brains of women "faster" than that of men,
> in that their brains respond to a higher
> frequency of information.
Pardon me while I sing along to "Alive and Kicking" on the radio - love that 1980's rock.
I know this is wild blue yonder off topic, but I have *got* to get that on cd... anyone know what group did that song?
Oh, yes - brain structure - yeah, I was reading in "Escalante" by Jay Mathews, (good book, btw) how it used to be very fashionable to talk about the inferior brain structures of Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians. Don't flame me, I know it's ridiculus. But back then, they scientifically "proved" how blacks, asians, and hispanics couldn't hope to keep up with a caucasian. They used that to excuse why the research labs and engineering classes were full of whites. Then Jaime Escalante taught advanced placement calculus to a bunch of inner-city hispanics. Anyone can be whatever they want to be, if they believe it and work hard for a long time.
> God did not write men out of the picture. He
> gave them higher capacity for physical impulse,
> and their "slower," i.e. the longer timing
> synchronicity of their brain structures, gives
> them an inclination to see a more distant
> horizon than women's brains can in general
> perceive.
Gee, if that was a compliment, I think I may have missed it... are you saying men are workhorses, good for physical strength and endurance?
> On the way out fringes of feminism, the long
> range challenge for geek women, i.e. for the
> survival of "mankind" in space, is to figure out
> a way to steal from the seed of their fathers,
> i.e. to clone-breed women only, eliminating the
> inefficiency and imbalance, and vision distance
> or creativity, of men.
Stealing sperm and raising women only? What are you going to do with the women who disagree with your methods?
To say nothing about what you'll do to the men.
Look, I won't deny any of that. I'm imbalanced, inefficient, imperfect. Comes with being human. I'm sure there are plenty of women who've locked their keys in their car, or slept through an alarm, or been late for a deadline. I don't like perfect people, they're arrogent, proud... just please, let everyone be human? Forgive people for not being perfect, okay? No man, and no woman could live up to the standards you list.
Who ever designed the embedded control system for this thing was obviously a novice. I couldn't believe my eyes when I looked at "Rev. 1" and saw them actually using a BASIC Stamp 2! The BS2 is a toy. It's designed to interpret a language called PBASIC (even worse than real Basic), and it's very slow. The BS2 doesn't even have interrupts or support for negative numbers.
Thank goodness someone with some knowledge got to them and put a 68HC11 microcontroller in "Rev. 2"! That's a real controller, with real features. (Yes, you can even get C compilers for it.)
A comment for the "Does it run Linux?" people:
Many embedded controllers do not run any operating system at all. On reset, they just jump to the program people load into their memory. You don't need an operating system for most embedded devices. If you need multitasking, you can use timer-based interrupt vectors yourself to run routines, or you can use a "realtime executive" (very small multitasker) on them. This is why I sometimes laugh when I hear CompSci-types designing an embedded device to run Linux. Why do you need it? Build a standalone program, and save money on memory and processing power.
So what is the 2 meter frequency they intend to use....and the callsign too.
I'm going to get my EME array and blast that girrrrrly thing out of orbit!!!!!!!!! (just kidding).
btw, why did the poster need to mention that the research was done by women? what has that got to do with it, or what was the point they were really trying to make? now we're going to have a men-vs-women flame war ... already someone's posted asking it the satellite was pink.
I thought it was quite strange that the discrimination was made in the article between the "skilled professionals" and the "six women", I hope this was due to poor grammar.
Notice how all the the girls have things they do in their "free time"; like hiking, dancing etc, while they guys apparantly don't? This is the fundamantal difference, one which I don't think will go away for quite a while - for many guys, computing/hacking/electronics etc IS what you do on your free time (and in school, at work, at night, while eating etc). Sure, there are exceptions (there always are) but this holds true for most... //Sasq (sasq@c64.org) [A.C. cause password forgotten :]
just looked it up.. Ada Lovelace.. I knew she had a language named after her.. pretty neat.. wouldn't mind that myself in a century or so :)
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness.
--Sheikh Abd-Al-Kadir, 1587
For some reason, I thought that post you responded to was a sexist guy, mainly because [s?]he started off by agreeing with the male-chauvinist-caricature troll that he was responding to. I could be wrong, but the general drift was one that I've heard more often from sexist guys than from anybody else. OTOH, there is a lunatic fringe at the edge of feminism just as there is at the edge of anything else, and they do make rather similar noises. So you may be right.
There's also this: "Like myself now, men are constantly blasting off," -- which could be taken as the poster claiming to be a man.
And then, [s?]he said this:
In term's of brain structure, men's neurons are organized in cubes, women's in tetrahedrons.
. . . so whoever it is, we don't seem to be dealing with a rational individual.
As for the "more intelligent" part, it used to be quite socially acceptable to talk about how a Hispanic or Asian brain was genetically incapable of matching the superior Caucasian intelligence. Of course now, we know how ridiculus that is. Now some women are using the same argument against guys.
Some, yeah. But a lot more guys (look at the rest of this discussion) have always used that argument against women, and many still do. I do agree with you that it's a load of shit any way you look at it.
Take care
Cool, I'd do at least half of 'em. Not that any of them would have to settle for the likes of me.
Hello everyone i am currently a student at santa clara university, I met some of the girls who worked on the satellite and i know some of the girls working on the new satellite the emerald and let me just tell you one thing, they aren't geeks!!!!!!!!!!! They party like muther fuckers every weekend and they are anything but nerds they are popular, and somewhat intelligent they have lots of help and not to mention a large group. see all of us at SCU have to do a senior design project for EE especially so they happen to pick the satelite project but in class i would rate them as average i know other girls who are much smarter than most of them combined, yet don't get half the recognition these satellite chicks get.
. . . by, yup, you guessed it, women.
Since you probably haven't got past 100-level courses in either field, I'll tell you a little secret that you don't know yet:
Comparatively speaking, programming is really goddamn easy. That's why I (a guy, by the way, not that it matters to anybody with a brain) went into programming instead of hardware engineering: I work hard, but working that hard isn't my idea of fun.
It helps to have that male breadwinner working at Micron or something so you can actually do stuff. This is definitely a phenomenum of the 21st century. Men winning the bread but instead of cleaning house, the women build stuff at home. They still depend on men for financial means but it's a progressive dependance.
They are women, just as capable as men. Why have an article on it like its an amazing feat? Its almost like saying "Ohh look at what the girls did! all by themselves isnt that special?" Its a great project and should have news coverage, but not because the team was all female. I think women make great scientist, I being married have witnessed my wifes ability to point out small details and plan out events with great accuracy.