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Miguel de Icaza Quits Day Job

Foaf writes "According to his activity log, Miguel of Gnome and Gnumeric fame is quitting his university job and moving to the US to provide 'kick-ass applications for users all around the globe.' " And, yes, now I can rest easy knowing that Miguel will be unfettered in his attempts to consume all of the world's coffee *grin*. Seriously, this is the continuation of a wonderful trend - more time developing Linux applications is good for everyone.

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  1. Working for Open Source Projects by Prince+Caspian · · Score: 3

    More proof that Open Source isn't necessarily taking paying jobs away from programmers. It seems more opportunities are opening up to make a living working with our favorite software.

    "Bugs are harder to cope with than features, because they are less well defined and less well designed."

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    "It may be remarked in passing that success is an ugly thing. Men are deceived by its false resemblences to merit."
  2. I wonder who the investor is? by Dacta · · Score: 3

    I wonder who the

    secret investor firm to invest in our supper-dupper free software company to develop free software and provide kick-ass applications for users all around the globe.
    is?

    Theory 1: Transmeta is actually not building a chip at all, but has a new, increadible Linux distribution which the need Miguel to work on the GUI for.

    Theory 2: Microsoft has seen the light and are going to open source Windows, and need Miguel to fix the bugs - after all, he has some experience with GNOME. *S*.

    That was a JOKE!

    But seriously, I do wonder who it is - I doubt Red Hat, because they tend to announce things like that. I suppose it is a company and not VC funding, though. Intel or Oracle, maybe?

    Also, what it Migel's company called?

    1. Re:I wonder who the investor is? by Federico+Mena-Quinte · · Score: 2

      You are absolutely right. The Windows and Mac GUIs have been in development, full time, for over 10 years now. This is why they are much more polished and functional than whatever we have now.

      GNOME is not doing anything revolutionary GUI-wise because it is not a research project. We do not have enough resources to embark into long-term research, and current GUI paradigms are well-known and work reasonably well. We are trying to give people freedom; when we have accomplished that, we can go on to research better user interfaces.

  3. Don't be proud by scumdamn · · Score: 2

    Just let me know if you need bus fare or anything, alright, Miguel? I don't want you walking home in the rain because you can't afford to take the bus. We all know how nobody can make money from writing free software, so you just do this until you're completely broke and then get a real job with a real company. We don't want you to end up watching Baywatch like all the other open source guys.
    </sarcasm>

  4. Gnome is not a Linux application... by Jon+Peterson · · Score: 4

    "Seriously, this is the continuation of a wonderful trend - more time developing Linux applications is good for everyone.
    "

    Gnome isn't a Linux app anymore than Netscape is, or MySql is or Apache is. It is an application that may or may not run on a number of platforms. Likewise KDE, or 98% of the other things you find on you linux box.

    You may argue that this is just semantics, and that any app that runs on Linux is 'a linux app', but that's misleading.

    However, as we see this more and more "Gnome, the linux desktop system" or "KDevelop, and IDE for Linux" it starts to look like people are thinking only in terms of Linux and its applications. This brings back the bad old days when OS's were judged on what apps were available, and apps were judged by what OS they ran on, or what OS they were native to (if they were later ported).

    Linux isn't the de-facto host system for all OS apps, whatever you may think.

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    1. Re:Gnome is not a Linux application... by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2
      a Linux app is an application that was devoloped on linux..

      ...even if it runs on other UNIX-compatible OSes?

      What's an application developed by folks running Linux, folks running FreeBSD, folks running Solaris, folks running NetBSD, folks running IRIX, ...?

      The last I knew gnome was a linux app

      Are you certain that every single line of code in GNOME was developed solely on Linux?

  5. Disturbing trend by uradu · · Score: 2

    I find it very disturbing when people feel they need to be in the US to write real code, or to get a real job in IT. This trend just pisses me off. Particularly Europeans tend to be starry-eyed about the US, and of these, particularly Germans--who can count the legions of programmers who left for the supposed "greener pastures." Yes, there may be shitloads of VC in the US, but then, I'm no fan of VC either.

    While it is said that countries don't matter anymore and that we live in a global economy, whom are they kidding? The US is sure to get the glory for any nugget of code they hatch, which certainly cannot be said for other places. Each "prominent" coder leaving his or her country for the US makes a little bit more cetain that IT in that country becomes that much less glamorous for the next generation.

    Ok, just some venting here.

    1. Re:Disturbing trend by vyesue · · Score: 2

      a. You are from the US, in which case I'm confused regarding why youre so upset that the IT profession is becoming less "glamorous" in other countries that you don't live in and aren't from

      b. You are from outside the US, in which case you are being quite hypocritical

    2. Re:Disturbing trend by Jefe · · Score: 2

      I agree. I'm happy and sad to see this move for Miguel.

      A while back I nominated MdI for Linux PR figurehead. (Not an ESR fan, sorry.) It was pointed out that however qualified he was for the job, he couldn't perform it fully from Mexico. So for this I'm glad. Hopefully he'll find time and inclination to represent.

      Practically speaking, it's obvious why this is a good move for MdI, but like uradu above, I'm a little sad to see it. Linux has been developed internationally from day one. No one doubts that it can be done.

      Diversity is healthy (ask an evolutionary biologist). Working in different cultural settings produces different work. I respect MdI's personal decision, but I hope we can take the long-view that there is value in developing talent in more places than one. (U.S. VCs, are you listening?)

    3. Re:Disturbing trend by JoeBuck · · Score: 2

      You write: U.S. VCs, are you listening?.

      I want to see more programmers get funding to do cool things where they live, rather than feeling they have to come to the US. But it's not up to U.S. VCs to provide funding for this. The problem is the risk-averse culture of those who have money in Europe, Mexico, and elsewhere. It's very difficult to get small high-tech companies started, though I know of a few that have managed to do it (in Belgium and Germany). Many of those are so afraid of looking odd that they try to pretend to be US companies.

      There are alternatives, like getting public funding, but often political factors outweigh technical merit (like making sure that each EU country gets its "fair share").

  6. Here's the full diary entry... by kip3f · · Score: 3
    October 25
    • OH MY GOD! I have not updated this page in ages. Crazy stuff.

      So many things have happened since the last time I wrote stuff:

      • My university is still packed with idiotic students. This time the striking students have decided what can be researched and what not, depending on whether it is helping "imperialists" or the "population of mexico". Someone described this as facist. The first time someone uses the word facist correctly.
      • I went to Boston and to Atlanta (for ALS). We got a secret investor firm to invest in our supper-dupper free software company to develop free software and provide kick-ass applications for users all around the globe.

        So, I am quitting my current job and moving to the US to pursue this new venture with my friend Nat. Exciting times.


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  7. It's "Open Source" Not "Linux" Software by danimal · · Score: 2
    Why must everyone assume that Open Source software like GNOME is Linux software. Yes, Linux is the dominate OS right now, but if people continue to code projects only for Linux it is going to hurt the entire scene in the long run. When I write software I make sure it can run on multiple Unicies, not just Linux. If you don't have access to a UNIX system other than Linux you can still write software that ports cleanly, it just takes a little effort.

    just my 01. ready to be moderated down.

  8. Here is the name of his new compagny by Khalid · · Score: 2

    Internation Gnome Support

    http://www.gnomesupport.com/

    The Company information says :

    International GNOME Support is a new company devoted to writing,extending and improving the GNOME software project. We are focusing on creating the next-generation productivity applications which will drive business in the future and the software infrastructure which is used to write these applications. We are committed to free software, and all our work is released to the world under the GPL or LGPL license.

  9. Yes, he'll be paid by aheitner · · Score: 3

    Read the above comment, or better yet, follow the link to his diary on gnome.org ... children, always always follow the link before replying to a story :)

    Now then, I have to say I disagree with you about duplicated efforts. In some sense, I feel there has to be a level of duplication. Not that there should be acrimony between competing projects -- interoperability and user choice at a fine-grained level should be the goal, which requires fairly close coordination in things like desktop environments (and is something I commend and encourage for the GNOME and KDE teams).

    As an example where duplication is good: GMC is a nice fairly traditional file manager. Doesn't break any new ground, but provides a familiar starting point to the user.

    But several developers wanted something more advanced. They wanted to seamlessly integrate networked and local filesystems at the conceptual level via a virtual file system, extending the way the Windows Explorer lets you browse samba shares on your network to include FTP and other file sharing methods. The result is the (still experimental) GNOME Explorer (for lack of a better name). It's an interesting project, but it would have been inappropriate to abandon earlier efforts half-complete in favor of the new one. If developers constantly did that, nothing would ever get finished :)

    In addition, different projects have quite different cultures and backgrounds. Calls for the GNOME and KDE teams to merge are just silly -- they don't reflect that the projects have different approaches to the same problem. I think that's disrespectful to the developers, especially coming from non-programmers (I find programmers experienced in large projects, or better directly involved in the projects in question, have clearer perspectives on the whole thing).

  10. Miguel's more than just Gnome and Gnumeric by Tet · · Score: 2
    Miguel of Gnome and Gnumeric fame

    While that's what he's been doing most of recently, in my book, he'll always be one of the gods that helped bring Linux to my beloved Sparc. He also worked on the MIPS port. Oh, and he did Midnight Commander, too, but I forgive him for that :-)

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  11. It's "Free Software" not "Open Source" by JoeBuck · · Score: 2

    ... since the GNOME people are working with the FSF, and the FSF loathes the term "Open Source". (Now I don't care if you want to say "Open Source", but you should know that it's not a universally accepted term).

    But yes, GNOME uses the FSF autoconf stuff, which, if used right, creates code that will run on any Unix-like system.

  12. Why shouldn't they move where they like? by timothy · · Score: 2

    And whyever they want to?

    The general financial climate of the US is more robust and vibrant than that of any European country (correction invited!) -- VC is more accepted and more available.

    The personal financial climate is also better in the U.S. Sure, there are odious Federal taxes, but they are lower (and therefore somewhat less odious than those in European countries Again, if any EuroCountries have lower taxes than the U.S. does, please correct me! Monaco, maybe?

    The overall cultural climate in America is also still more individualist than that of any European country I'm familiar with; I'm not trying to make a case for or against individualism here :) ! but it seems to resonate with programmers. The assertion in this paragraph's first sentence is broad beyond all reasonability, but I'm sticking with it, ok? There is plenty of pressure for social conformity, plenty of factors that im Endeffekt* offically stratify American society -- but the State is a slightly smaller actor than in European countries. Too large nonetheless, but smaller.

    So, I say WELCOME! ALOHA! WILKOMMEN!(Babelfish is not Finnish-friendly, and it seems to be giving me the wrong word for Spanish ...

    Cheers,

    timothy

    *(Ja?)

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  13. Moderated down... by cowboy+junkie · · Score: 2

    I think he should have been moderated down simply because he left his opening tag out...