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Nauru: Real life Kinakuta

23mcgee writes "Today's washington Post has a story about a small Island in the pacific named Nauru. After exhausting it single natural resource, geographically remote Nauru is reinventing itself as an offshore banking center that provides it's customers the means to hide their transactions -- an offshore haven similar to Kinakuta, the fictional data haven in a Slashdot favorite; Neil Stephenson's Cryptonomicon. "

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  1. Re:offshore confusion by georgeha · · Score: 4

    I've always been confused by hording dollars to offshore (or Swiss) accounts to avoid taxes, etc. How can it work. You're taxed on the money you make from your paycheck.

    I'm not an expert on offshore banking, but I'm pretty sure that if you're drawing a paycheck, you're probably not a candidate.

    However, if you have a large income strictly in cash (10s, 20, 50s, 100s), once you find a way to get that cash overseas, without federal knowledge (aka money laundering), you can then safely deposit in your offshore bank account.

    There are other situations I can imagine. I'll give your company this contract, at this price, but you have to sweeten the pot with a deposit in this foreign account, and for your own sake you better draw it out of a unaccountable fund (hush fund), maybe lots of petty cash withdrawals, some funky depreciation schedules, oddly priced sales of new equipment, etc.

    To use the Cryptonomicon example, a Taiwanese clone maker solds thousands of PC's with unlicensed MW software. All the profits were lost apparently (a good accountant can do this, I know a little of accounting practices, and it seems like fiction writing at times), but they could have ended up in an offshore bank.

    In short, if you're a working stiff pulling down a weekly or monthly salary, there isn't much advantage to an offshore bank. If you're a drug dealer/smuggler or high placed government or corporate official, you might have need of sucha thing.

    George

  2. Not Helpful To Us "Wage Slaves" by Christopher+B.+Brown · · Score: 4
    The "offshore account" isn't terribly helpful to those of us that are employed; the money that comes to us has ample causes to be disclosed to organizations like the Internal Revenue Service (US), Inland Revenue Service (UK), or Revenue Canada (guess?).

    Offshore accounts are useful in keeping transfers of funds hidden once that money is sitting offshore.

    This would be useful for:

    • Making payments for questionable activities such as sales/purchases of illegal substances
    • Making payments for "consulting services."
    Note that transferring funds to and fro between Transparent Jurisdictions like Canada or the US and Opaque Jurisdictions like Lichtenstein or Switzerland or ... is:
    • Significantly inconvenient.

      In order for the important transfers to remain secret, you'd need to have a whole pile of accounts, some to be used for the "Opaque Transactions," and others to be used for "Transfers To/From Canada."

      One account is most definitely not enough, and the action of shifting money is also not convenient.

    • You don't use one of the "Hidden Accounts" to pay off your MasterCard bill, as that would expose its existence to domestic authorities.

      Ditto for any other situations where you need to have money in Canada to spend on things.

    • Note that interest rates on deposits in these foreign places are not likely to be terribly high.

      The tax havens are "capital rich," which means that based on supply+demand, interest rates will be low to nonexistent.

      The net effect of this is that you don't actually make money off of having money in the tax haven; all you do is to avoid being taxed at home.

    The net result of all of this is that there's probably little point to opening "tax haven" accounts unless you've got at least a few million dollars kicking around, or unless someone who would find it worthwhile to move money to a tax haven owes you payment for significant services.

    The people that would thus care about this might be:

    • Athletes, models, and the likes,
    • The vieux rich,
    • Organized crime figures.
    --
    If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
  3. No its not... by Hobbex · · Score: 4

    This is not a data haven in the Kinakuta way at all, its simply a the same kind of anonymous offshore banking that has been done on small island countries for many years now. Nothing actually goes on in the country, but because it can register companies, operating under its flag can be used to overcome all sorts of regulations. Its really not to different from convenience flagging of boats to get around safety regulations. Or cheap domain names (like Nuine, Cocos, and Turkmenistan).

    In a way its a sad story how this country which overspent its natural resources is now forced to prostitute itself to Russian organized crime in order to fund its budget. Not that I am against offshore banking (I am in principle against taxes), but still...

    However, if the article mentions that the country has 190 million dollars in a fund left from its wealthier days. Maybe, if the leaders are willing to play "dirty" against the big guys, doing a Cryptonomicum wouldn't be such a bad idea. How much would putting a good pipe to the island (or a permanent sattelite link) cost?

    I am doubtful of the realism of Stephensons vision however. If an offshore datahaven were to succeed with causing an upheaval in the western economies, you can bet your ass America wouldn't think twice before the island had a carrier permanently docked in its harbour. Its funny how much influence that can have over a very small country, huh?

    I mean, just look what happens when anything threatens the American oil market...

    The true datahaven can't be located in some physical place. It has to be nowhere, and it has to be everywhere. It will not gain its security by mountain vaults but by crypography, and it won't secure its existance by oceans but by being dynamic, distributed, and smart. Lately I have seen a few projects in the open source world aspiring towards solutions in this direction (Freenet, the Eternity system) and they are much better news in this front than the existance of roque island states.

    -
    /. is like a steer's horns, a point here, a point there and a lot of bull in between.

  4. Re: money laundering by jsm2 · · Score: 3

    One simple way of laundering money is to get yourself one of these anonymous offshore bank accounts, then create a fictitious offshore company that hires you to perform expensive consulting work. You have really hired yourself, but it's hard to tell that's what has happened, and harder still to prove it. So you then submit work records and bills to the bogus company and get paid. Your income appears to be legitimate. Of course, this means you have to pay income tax on it, but at least you get to keep the rest, and you can pass an IRS audit with flying colors.

    Ahhhh (this used to be my life, a few years ago). I'm sure that Mendax would like to remind all slashdotters that this is an illustrative example only, and that it should not be tried at home.

    The phrase you can pass an IRS audit with flying colors is used here rhetorically -- actually, a half-competent auditor would tear you to shreds if you tried this "thin" scam on any significant tax liability. Real tax avoidance schemes are a lot more complicated and require [ahem] godlike genius consultants to design them (particularly if you want to have a chance of them being declared legal).

    Oh yeh, and people who "go to Vegas, buy a load of chips and then cash them in without gambling" get to learn a fair amount about both the IRS and the Secret Service before long. The casino companies have a troubled enough relationship with Lily Law without acting as willing accessories to avoidance or worse.

    If you're really interested, the locus classicus is "Secret Money" by Ingo Walter.

    jsm

  5. Tax Evasion for Dummies by mosch · · Score: 4

    This isn't designed to avoid the taxes on your paycheck. It's to avoid taxes on "other income".

    Example #1, let's say that you run a company worth $500,000,000. Now let's say you want to give yourself a "raise". You hire a "consultant" who happens to bill you to an account fron one of these offshore banks in the amount of $10,000,000. Your company sends the money for "work rendered" and wow, that's odd your company just sent those ten million dollars to YOUR secret account and you've just evaded taxes on $10,000,000.

    Example #2: you run a profitable "business" from traditional organized crime, or large-scale drug dealing, or assassinations or even working as $5,000/day call girl. Now you have a whole lot of money and if you legitimize it within the U.S. you'll end up with a lot of taxes on it. But what if this money gets deposited to your offshore account? Well, now suddenly there are no taxes involved. Neat, eh?

    As for the laws about foreign income, the IRS even admits it's basically honour system. There's no way to trace this so basically as long as said random rich person reports enough income to be credible, they can hide the rest without fear of the authorities find out. After all, there isn't a real difference in lifestyle between somebody who makes $100,000,000/year and somebody who makes $10,000,000/year, so you hide $90,000,000 and report that you make $10,000,000/year and meanwhile become worth billions without taxation difficulties.

  6. Use The Backhoe, Luke! by jsm2 · · Score: 3

    get a big international data cable strung out there .... keep all the data and money underwater, where a bunch of marines and helicopters can't just waltz in and get it

    "We can't get at the money or data, sir! It's all hidden underwater, at the other end of this big ... long ... fragile .... fibreoptic cable .... with the other end .... in New York ...ohhhh".

    jsm

  7. focus!@#$!# by werd+life · · Score: 3

    Hate to beat a dead horse, but anyway, one of the normal /. topic *is* money. And this story does have something loosely to do with money. Anyway, News for Nerds is a hell of a lot more than just the OSI-Seven Layer model. 'Sides it is nice to tie my /. addiction to something more connected to the real world than an mp3 playing router, and stories like this give me something I can bring up to people at the bar that might not be complete tech freaks. ya know.