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Towards Molecular Computing

pq writes "The NY Times has a progress report on molecular computers: the results are finally rolling in. This July, HP and UCLA reported molecular logic gates; now Yale and Rice are reporting the ability to cycle those gates on/off and HP is announcing conducting wires less than a dozen atoms across. Interesting review - to quote, `this should scare the pants off anyone working in silicon.' " Mmmm...nano.

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  1. Re:Great Time To Be Alive by Tau+Zero · · Score: 2
    "They were using silicon wafers for what?"
    200 years? You're a hopeless pessimist. Try 30, 50 at the outside. Hell, there are people today who don't know what to do with a phone with a dial on it.
    I guess the valley will have to come up with a new name.
    You're assuming that the valley would remain the center of the new technology, like the old. However, the Valley's fortunes grew as its offerings displaced those of other industries. It may be that the biomolecular revolution will be centered someplace else, like Austin or Minneapolis.

    If it does manage to remain the place to be, I'd suggest Assembler Alley, Polymer Pass (too chemical, maybe) or Nanogate Notch.
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  2. Imagining the problems... by Louziffer · · Score: 2

    I'm just pondering over the problems inherent in Quantum Computing.

    The role of a technician could change drastically. Instead of fixing problems, a tech would just sit and observe the system at every given moment so that it runs properly. If the tech stops observing for any length of time the system would go haywire.

    Then again... maybe it's not so different after all. :)

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  3. Re:Does size really matter? :) by Kintanon · · Score: 2

    Yes, smaller may be better for Place and Route, but what about the REALLY important stuff like - timing. (ok, the guy does P&R for a living, begin your rant). I'll argue that there are more time critical hardware designs than size critical hardware designs, but correct me if I'm wrong. Faster is better than smaller.


    For the most part Smaller IS Faster. If the gate only has to travel 10000th of the distance in the nano-processor as opposed to the Silicon one, then it can move 1000 times slower and still be 10 times faster. And if it moves at the same speed, then it's 10000 times faster. Distance, Time, and Speed are directly linked. Changing one can change the others.

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  4. Re:Timeline by tweek · · Score: 2

    Now the rub on THAT whole idea is:
    Will we have figured a way around population growth by that point in time? There IS something to be said for people dying by natural means. If things were to continue at that rate we would over poplate our galaxy. Of course I spose some people will still die in stupid ways...drunk driving/flying and the like. I don't know that I would WANT to live that long honestly. Of course I have severe moral issues with life extension in the first place. And futurist technology as a whole. That's for me to work out though. =)

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  5. Re:Molecules and Computing by Mr_Plow · · Score: 2

    No, not unless they use organic molecules to create actual replicating cells. Virus' require a complete and functioning cell with replicating DNA in order to do their deed. On another note, however, if there were replicating-cell computers, you would then have to worry about your monitor giving your computer cancer.
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  6. Re:Timeline by tweek · · Score: 2

    Well I'm 25 as well and that was my biggest question. Will I see it in my lifetime? Thank you for such a great response.
    A bit of definition if i may:
    by assembler do you mean mass production or just single unit fabrication?
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  7. Re:What does this mean for the CE's? by Tau+Zero · · Score: 2

    I've lived through some changes, and all I can tell you is it's hard to see very far ahead. But if I were you I'd try to get some coursework in neural networks, genetic algorithms and fuzzy logic.
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  8. Timeline by tweek · · Score: 2

    Could someone with a bit of information in this area provide what they see to be a reasonable timeline for nanotech? I have been doing alot of pondering on technology growth and futurism lately and wondering how much I'll see in my lifetime, especially considering how much I've ALREADY seen in my lifetime.
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    1. Re:Timeline by Saige · · Score: 3

      Could someone with a bit of information in this area provide what they see to be a reasonable timeline for nanotech? I have been doing alot of pondering on technology growth and futurism lately and wondering how much I'll see in my lifetime, especially considering how much I've ALREADY seen in my lifetime.

      All the estimates I've seen, and this is from many areas, including top researchers, is 20-30 years for the first assembler. And once one of those is built, things should explode in quick succession.

      They've said they will be very suprised if it is not here in 50 years.

      I know people have always liked to quote the predictions about how AI would be here by now, etc, etc. But this figure is arrived at from many different directions. The progression of how much material is used for memory, and the size of computer chips are two things that will hit the nanotech level around then. Convergence from chemistry, biology, and engineering/physics directions all point to about that area.

      I've seen more than enough to convince me that the odds are very good I'll see it in my lifetime. And I'm 25.
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    2. Re:Timeline by Saige · · Score: 2

      A bit of definition if i may:
      by assembler do you mean mass production or just single unit fabrication?


      By assembler I mean the device that has the ability to be programmed to build things at a nanotech level. Once one of these is created, it will be programmed to build a copy of itself. At this point, you can just supply the materials and the energy and wait a while and you've got all the assemblers you need. Then you've got all you need to experiment with and create products with.

      It doesn't matter how long it takes to build just one assembler by hand, as long as it can create a copy of it self in a small amount of time.
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  9. Re:First things first... by Tau+Zero · · Score: 2
    They won't have to assemble each gate. They are using self-assembly techniques, which work in ways similar to the ways that cells make proteins which fold themselves (sometimes with help) into the proper configurations, or DNA automatically pairs with complementary strands.

    When the techniques are refined sufficiently, it will be just about as easy as mixing the ingredients and stirring. This is where the claims of "dirt cheap" come from, and yes, they're quite serious about it.
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  10. Fascinating work... by slothbait · · Score: 2

    I'm a bit familiar with the research at Rice, and basically they are building gates by deforming nanotubes in certain ways to alter their electrical characteristics. They've been playing with it and playing with it until they can build structure which act like logic gates. The implications boggle the mind.

    I say its high time for nanotech logic to start ramping up, so this is very exciting. Silicon is only going to carry us so much further. Once you get down to a semiconductor gate that is 20 molecules across, the Physics get much more interesting, and electromigration starts eating your lunch.

    A very interesting field to follow...

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  11. Possibilities by Tau+Zero · · Score: 2
    While the capabilities available by driving smaller devices ever-faster are interesting, there is another side to the speed/power progression: as the devices get smaller, they need less and less power to do the same thing.

    I'm interested in the possibilities of these minuscule gates to run on the tiny bits of power from a glucose/oxygen fuel cell. With some molecular photodetectors, gates like these could be used to make an artificial retina and restore sight lost due to age, injury or disease; with the tiny size of the gates, they could be made smaller than the cells they replaced.

    Biomolecules don't seem to like heat very much, so really high-speed (and high-power) operation might not be the best use for these. But making up for it with massive parallelism, and taking hints (or outright copying) natural systems could lead us to a whole new world of technology that we might have trouble recognizing as computing. Still, I'm game for it!
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  12. Re:Crypto fans, be afraid... by PD · · Score: 2

    Faster computers make things more secure, not less. If I add one bit to my key, then to encrypt that key with just one more bit will hardly be noticeable. Encryption will go really fast.

    But, decrypting the key with one more bit will require twice as many attempts in a brute force search.

    See how that relationship works to make things more secure as computers get faster? Just make your keys longer. The only problem is remembering a passphrase long enough to make a long key.

  13. Feature size is not all that drives CPU tech. by slothbait · · Score: 2

    There are plenty of architectural improvements yet to be made in processor design. Once feature shrinking becomes even more difficult, clock speeds may begin to change more slowly, but chips will still improve in performance. More effor will be thrown into developing advanced architectural features around existing gate technology.

    And don't forget the software side of technology! As more and more software is written towards a multi-threaded architecture, the speed advantages presented by multi-processing and multi-threading architectures will become even greater.

    One development I am watching with rapt attention is the transition to Simultaneous Multi Threading Processors (SMT). This is still in the works, but processors such as the Alpha 21464 will be built around this design in the near future.

    SMT procs move some of the process table down on to the processor itself such that the processor can fill time while waiting for a cache miss to be serviced by task switching to a seperate thread. Further, SMT allows simultaneous dispatch of instructions from *multiple* instruction streams. This sort of architecture makes much more efficient use of parallelism in hardware than current superscalar processors. Further, executing on the same chip, the different threads can synchronize *in cache* which is far more efficient than hitting memory like current SMP systems are forced to do. Very exciting...

    There's no way a processor company would sell the same part for 10 years. If they can't shrink their gates any further, they'll just find new ways to exploit parallelism in hardware with more advanced architectures.

    --Lenny