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Checkpoint Porting Firewall-1 to Linux

booboo writes " Stuck with a firewall on NT? InformationWeek has the news that Checkpoint has announced plans to port their Firewall-1 and VPN-1 code to Linux (2.2 kernel) "

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  1. Ipchains != advanced routing. by Kaz+Kylheku · · Score: 2

    True, ipchains doesn't do those things you describe. It's not supposed to; but some of them are done by advanced routing. Advanced routing gives you a way to manage more than one routing table with different rules, and translation of netblocks is supported. I doubt that checkpoint can do more in the IP forwarding arena than ipchains + advanced routing.

    ``Antivirus'' at the firewall level is ridiculous to me. Good operating systems don't suffer from viruses anyway. ;) If you want to filter what external URL's your users access, the place for that is the proxy server, not IP routing.

    That leaves VPNs: bit out of my area. But aren't there IPsec solutions for Linux? Someone also wrote open source PPTP client and server software, so you can support the native Windows VPN mechanism.

  2. Ahem. by phil+reed · · Score: 2

    It almost embarrasses me to say it, but I suggested Linux to Checkpoint something like 3+ years ago, at an Interop show in Las Vegas. They could have provided a CD and a boot floppy, that would have put up a pre-configured minimal Linux system with all the loopholes closed. Boot from the floppy and install, and *poof* instant firewall.


    ...phil

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  3. Scary Firewall Sights by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 2

    Reminds me of a story. Ok first of all I'm all for 'big name' commercial products to be ported to Linux. There's plenty of reasons. And if they're not free ... well nobody forces you to use them.
    Anyway, I did some consulting for one big american media company who relies heavily on networking for its business. Like, the reliability of their network is a matter of life and death to them. More exactly, 1 hour without network could mean, what, a direct loss of $1 million, not counting the indirect loss from disgrunstled customers etc ...
    Aaaanyway ... I was to install a mail server there for a specific purpose ... So I ask the guy in charge of the firewall to open SMTP for me ... Aaaah ... It takes him hours to figure how to do it ... yeah, complicated manoeuver indeed. I look over his shoulder, and there's like, a hundred of useless rules in his setting. He could'nt even know what they were for.
    So what, he opens port 25. Great. He learnt something that day, port 25=SMTP. I set up my thingie, and shit, it does not work!
    What the fuck is wrong. After 30 min of struggling, I start to realize that the DNS server is not working. I inform the guy. "Oh but you never told me you needed the DNS!" AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH. So he turns on the DNS. I go back to the server. Still does not work! This time, I can't get incoming connections! Back to the guy. "Oh yeah I thought you just needed DNS." WTF???? Ok back to the machine. I CAN'T GO OUTSIDE!!!! I CAN'T OPEN OUTGOING SMTP SESSIONS!!!! AAAAHH!!!
    The guy had forbidden outgoing SMTP connections ... for 'SECURITY REASONS'!!!!!!!! AHAHHHHAHAHHAHA.
    I try to not LART him. The scariest part, of course, was the fact that despite his misplaced paranoia, there were probably dozens of REAL security threats wide open in his configuration.
    Bottom line: a GUI will not make a network administrator. And if a sysadmin is expensive, that's because there's a reason to it!

  4. whats the point ? by Zurk · · Score: 2

    when ipchains in the kernel can do it all and more ?

    1. Re:whats the point ? by dennisp · · Score: 2

      ipchains has no stateful inspection, good nat connection tracking, a variety of application proxies, vpn protocols, better rule tables, any kind of comparable speed in nat firewalling...

      Of course, the applications built upon netfilter in newer versions of Linux will be better, but it's going to be a while before it's even close to checkpoints product.

      It is, however, good enough for the home and small business applications.
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    2. Re:whats the point ? by jcostom · · Score: 2
      when ipchains in the kernel can do it all and more ?

      ipchains provides basic packet filtering and masquerading. It does NOT provide features like:

      VPN (IPsec compliant, site to site, AND client to firewall)
      Multimode NAT (hide, static, hide-pool)
      Integration with 3rd party stuff like antivirus, URL filtering, intrusion detection
      Integration with bandwidth management software

      ..and a bunch more.

      The bottom line? In the low-end firewall market, Check Point on NT is extremely popular. If we could provide users with the same functionality only costs less, and is more reliable, it won't lose.

      I personally knew about this port about 2 months ago, but was sworn to silence. :-)

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  5. Re:Will the Linux port include the Mossad backdoor by fidros · · Score: 2

    JERUSALEM CITY, ISRAEL - November 1, 1999 - The Mossad.
    The Mossad has announced today a surprising turn in the world of espionage: The Mossad has announced it will release the sources of the Mossad backdoor to Checkpoint's Firewall-1 and VPN-1 product together with other (yet unnamed) backdoors in other Israeli developed products under the GPL. The surprising move seems to be related to CultOfTheDeadCow releasing the source of it's BackOrifice remote management program under the GPL some time ago and to the recent initiative of the CIA to open a CIA sponsored start up for developing high tech espionage products.

    The Mossad spokesperson, Zach Lohem-zedek, commented that the major reasons behind this announcement were the dwindling budget of the Mossad in the current age of peace and success the Mossad have had in the past in utilizing Open Source tools such as Linux for it's day to day work.

    About the Mossad
    The Mossad is the Israeli counter intelligence agency (similar to the CIA in the US). It was funded in *T&^!@ by *^&&*! and 28&*Y(@!93^(. To contact the Mossad please pick up your phone and say, in a slow and calm voice: "Roger this is karma. The bat has swallowed the can, over" and hang up. You will be contacted shortly.

    (C) 1999 Mossad, Israel.

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  6. Europe's a country? by Pascal+Q.+Porcupine · · Score: 2
    I had no idea that Europe was a country. All this time I thought it was a continent (though IMO Europe is a subcontinent of Eurasia).

    (Just being silly.)
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  7. Pay Checkpoint for getting them to fix their bugs? by Morgaine · · Score: 2

    Alas, it's exactly that kind of sucker attitude among customers that has brought us to where we are today in the software world.

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  8. Enterprise Management by El+Volio · · Score: 2

    That's what ipchains is missing. Checkpoint is one of the few (only?) FW companies that understands what it is to have to manage 100+ firewalls, and their concept of a "management console" is outstanding. I won't lie and say there are no bugs in it, but hands down, nobody else comes close.

    Now that they're porting it to Linux, looks like I'll be throwing ipchains out the window for home use and in some small installations. We primarily run it on Solaris, but Linux will have its place as well, I believe.

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  9. sooner than I thought by earlytime · · Score: 2
    I was in a "checkpoint partners" meeting a month or so ago, and they said "shhh, don't ell anybody, but you can expect to hear some announcements re: fw-1 on linux in January." (ps, this is because they're dropping fw-1 on solaris86) I guess the work is going smoother than expected. This will have a huge affect for fw-1 resellers because until they release it, you're always getting hit with a OS license, in addition to hardware for the firewall. In the case of NT, you even have to pay for bigger hardware to acheive the same performance. With a linux version, the price of a 50 user firewall will drop down at least 10-20%.

    My big question is this:
    I'm pretty sure they're gonna have the firewall be a kernel module. What kind of license can they apply to it? I'm not sure that you can distribute kernel modules without some kind of GPL.
    -earl

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  10. PPTP by Kaz+Kylheku · · Score: 2

    Yes, I've read the paper by Schneier. IIRC, they claimed that the bug is in the Microsoft implementation of PPTP, not in PPTP itself. It's possible that the freeware implementations of it don't have the problem, though in what combinations with Windows clients or server I can't guess. In particular, I don't know whether the server implementation has to reproduce Microsoft's security bugs in order to be compatible with Windows clients.