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Judge Finds Major DNA Patent Invalid

cswiii writes "In what some Slashdot readers might consider a breath of fresh air, a judge in San Francisco ruled that a patent on DNA replication and analysis was questionably obtained and thus, invalid. An appeal has already been promised by the defendants. " Whew. There's some form of sanity left in the world I guess. Reversing the Taq DNA Polyemerase patent is a pretty major deal for genetic research - it makes PCR much easier to perform.

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  1. Re:PRC? by cave76 · · Score: 2


    They abbreviated it at PRC in the article too which is wierd. I would have expected a source like this to have gotten a simple abbreviation like this correct.

    Slightly more on topic now...
    It wasn't mentioned in the article, but Taq polymerase is a naturally occuring enzyme, which I would not expect to be patentable. However, many biotech companies have introduced modified Taq enzymes (eg that are less error prone, more efficient, etc) which I would expect to be patentable. The article does not mention if they were attempting to patent the naturally occuring or a modified form of the enzyme.

    Mike

  2. Taq DNA Polymerase was patented by Tim · · Score: 3
    "If I understand it well, the patent in question was about another mix that can survive the temperature, so you put it once and forget about it. So THAT patent was more of using something that already exist in nature (and not a new process)."

    The new "mix" you refer to was the discovery of Taq DNA polymerase. DNA polymerase is found in every living cell, and it serves to synthesize DNA from individual nucleotides (A,T,C,G). Hence, it is essential to PCR, which is basically just the repeated copying/synthesis of a DNA fragment.

    The original DNA polymerase used in PCR was not thermostable, meaning that it couldn't withstand high temperatures. Each PCR cycle requires a high-temperature step to separate the DNA strands, hence, early PCRs required the addition of new polymerase during each cycle. This was labor intensive and impractical.

    Taq DNA polymerase is extracted from thermus aquaticus, a bacteria originally found in thermal vents in Yellowstone. Because this bacteria lived in such incredibly hot conditions, its DNA polymerase was thermostable. Taq polymerase is still used today in the vast majority of the world's PCR reactions.

    Sooooo...the patent that you refer to was indeed the really evil insidious stupid kind of patent that we all despise--the patenting of discovered genes. I say good riddance to this patent. May the USPTO realize the error of its ways...

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  3. Misleading and erroneous article by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

    While this patent is quite probably illegitimate because of the method it was obtained, it is also quite clearly NOT a patent of genetic material, i.e. it is not a DNA patent as per the article headline.

    Regardless of what you think about the legitimacy of patenting of genetic codes, this has to do with processes and other technologies used to analyze and fabricate DNA, and nothing to do with the actual makeup of the codes.

    In addition the article makes the error of claiming that this will make DNA research easier. Quite incorrect. Patent laws ALREADY exempt research activities from any patent infringement claims.

    For some basic information on patent laws, this page is useful.

  4. Re:PRC? by say-tan · · Score: 2

    well, i think this case was related to the first use of taq polymerase in PCR, performed by kerry mullis (sp?). since then, many advances have been made in this procedures, and the corresponding new polymerases probably have gone through the patent process as well. one of the advances is not man-made but another bacterial enzymes (like taq, not from normal bacteria, but from archaebacteria) that have the ability to check back over the code and look for mistakes. since these enzymes are also from bacteria, they probably cannot be patented either.

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  5. Ruling reasoning could be applied to s/w patents by jkorty · · Score: 2
    From the article:
    ...which argued that scientists got the important patent in 1990 by misrepresenting their experiments and falsely claiming advances over previous discoveries.

    I love this phrasing! It applies to almost all software patents in existance today.

    Too bad the `falsely claiming advances' argument would have to be used to invalidate each software patent one-by-one, instead of en-masse, as they deserve to be.

  6. On Patents and Financials by EvlG · · Score: 2

    It seems like the recent comments on patents are mostly made by selfish individuals who don't understand the financial consequences behind research. Hopefully I can set the record straight.

    Companies, whether large or small, simply cannot afford to fund research without at least some assurance that profit will be made. This typically comes by selling products/services based on ideas that come from that research. However, the company has spent large sums of money generating these new products and services, and needs to protect its investment to keep competitors from stealing their research. This is why companies patent ideas found in their research.

    It's selfish and downright rediculous to expect companies to simply donate their research to the public domain. This removes all incentive for the corporation to conduct the research. This is akin to the desire often expressed by /.ers to have all software released for free. Why should a company spend time and money developing software only to give it away for free?

    The fact is, patents are a necessary evil. It gives business a reason to pursue research, since it is clear that universities and other government funded institutions (like the military and especially NASA) don't have enough money to do it themselves. Patents ensure that technology moves on.

    (Note that this doesn't mean that I support the idea of patenting genes. I think that the idea of having corporations own the very makeup of all human beings proposterous. Unfortunately, I do not have an answer to the obvious question that arises: without the possibility of patens, how do you encourage companies to conduct research?)

    1. Re:On Patents and Financials by jflynn · · Score: 2

      You know, I think we could do pretty well without businesses doing research. I like the idea of well funded basic research carried out by academic institutions, the way it used to be. The kind of research corporations like to support is in benefit of forumulas for floor wax that smell better, or ways to make cereal stay crunchy in milk rather than basic research. The only science and math that gets done these days is directly related to someone's bottom line. The pharmaceutical companies and some others are obvious exceptions, but most corporate research is very narrow and not terribly interesting to the public, who never would have imagined or missed flakes that stay crunchy in milk without advertising.

      Inventions are rarely the result of teamwork or huge projects, they come from individual inspiration, or careful observation. The kind of inventions many corporations do by pouring money and people on a problem are really discoveries, not inventions. Unfortunately since it takes a huge team of lawyers and the contents of a bank or two to get and defend a patent these days, individual inventors are no longer rewarded by patents, they are the domain of corporations.

      So for my money, corporations no more belong in the invention business than they do the health care support business. 'Twould be better if a public entity developed ideas and the corporations competed on the implementations. It was once a different world than it is now, and patents did have their purpose then, but I think it has now passed -- they interfere with the expansion of knowledge more than they encourage it.

    2. Re:On Patents and Financials by EvlG · · Score: 2

      You raise some good points, but one I think is key to the issue is: just what is the difference between 'discovery' and 'invention'?

      Genetic patents are discovery, I think we could all agree on that.

      Making something like ethernet is invention. I think we could all agree on that as well.

      But what chemical companies that play around in the labs all day long, experimenting with different compounds and energies and the like? There's elements of both things going on. They are discovering the way chemicals behave when mixed together, but they are creating things anew as well.

      The problem I see with patents is they too often allow one to patent a discovery, which is basically patenting knowledge.

      So what do we do about it?

    3. Re:On Patents and Financials by Hobbex · · Score: 3

      It's selfish and downright rediculous to expect companies to simply donate their research to the public domain.

      Fuck yeah, after Amazon spent all that time researching ways to make people more prone to shopping, it is only right that they should get a patent on the fantasticly novel and difficult to invent idea of storing peoples CCN on the server! How awefully selfish of us! And my god, if that guy had not had the patent incentive for spending the millions on research it took to come up with the idea of letting the computer use common sense to know what century it was, Y2K would really have been the end of the world!

      In theory patents are a difficult issue. I happen to be against them on idealogical grounds, as I believe in the freedom of thought and information above all else, and that laws trying to controll these freedoms are not only wrong but futile and dangerous. The way my life is heading now, it looks like I'm going to towards scientific research, and I promise that I will never take a patent, and I will think long and hard before taking a job with a company that wants to patent my discoverees. Research does not have to be based on corporate gain, but could be based on the ideas of the free software movement (which oviously works, and well) instead. BUT, that does not mean I don't recognize the value of patents in encouraging a lot of the research that has made technical progress move so damn fast this century. It is not an easy issue, and getting rid of patents all together would be a very difficult change for society.

      However, the way patents are practiced nowadays makes it much more simple. The stupidity of patent regristration agencies, here in the EU but mostly in the US, has made being anatagonistic towards patents so very rewarding. A lot of people don't even stop think about WHY patents are used (in order to even out DISADVANTAGE a company that makes new inventions has to others who copy them), but instead think of it as a right that inventors have, making invention a sort of lottery of being able to patent things that will be thought up by other people and used in the future. How much research time does B&N really gain by copying Amazons one-click-time thing? 17 years????? And does the McDonald-Douglas guy with the Y2K patent need to be protected from others who would want to implement an idea common in speech for many centuries (anyone who remembers life before this decade will remember history books refering to "the ninetees" and meaning the 1890s)?

      If patents really are a "a necessary evil" as you put it, then how come they are not used sparingly and only in fields where they are considered necessary? How come our legislaters are looking INCREASING patent times rather than decreasing them, although the current patent length is clearly enough make companies invent things? How come we are ready to let people take patents in every new field that comes along without stopping for one second to question if it is a good idea? How come we are letting people patent things that are nothing but ideas and bussiness models? How come we allow people patent mathematical techniques, the equivalent of Newton having patented integration or Euler having patented ways of drawing the paths of differential equations? How come we allowing patents so general they next to cover an entire field, let alone just one invention? I could go on...

      Patents may be able to do a lot of good for society in the short term, but the way they are praticed today they are doing a hell of a lot of bad instead. Defending the idea of patents has become as stupid as defending communism on with the defense that it would work if people were just noble and selfless. As programmers, we know when a routine is so full of holes, problems, exceptions, and spagetti code that the time has come to toss it out and rewrite it completely, even if it is a bit of an effort. That hour has struck for the patent system.

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    4. Re:On Patents and Financials by mikera · · Score: 2

      I'd have to disagree very strongly. There are *lots* of ways to reward innovation. If the patent system has survived this long, it's only because people aren't imaginative enough to think of something else. Nobody is suggesting that people should go unrewarded for their labours. The main problem is that the patent system is about the single worst solution to the problem.

      Some pretty trivial economics will tell you that any resource that can be duplicated at zero cost (i.e. ideas) must have a zero market price if your economy is going to be efficient. Companies should be free to take any idea, and then make money by competing on its implementation. That is as close to a perfect market as you can get.

      In this model, research itself benefits the public primarily, and should be paid for with public money. In practice this means a combination of funded university research and financial awards for people who create a product which is a proven commercial success. The costs of running this system would be trivial compared to the economic benefits of running a real free market in ideas. You can also save all the costs of running and enforcing the present patent nonsense.

      Lets face it, the only people who benefit from the patent system are lawyers and would-be monopolists. Individual inventors don't benefit much for certain. The whole thing needs a change, and the sooner the better.

  7. They probably deserve this patent. by LeonTrout · · Score: 3
    The process which the article is talking about (PCR - Polymerase Chain Reaction) is a significant advancement that has allowed the HGP to progress at amazing speed.

    In a nutshell, the process allows a small piece of DNA which was cut out of the genome to be amplified (replicated) repeatedly a few million times. This allows genetecists to examine the piece of DNA on a large scale, therby eliminating a lot of expensive equipment. By staggering the enzymes which are cutting the piece out, the genetic code can be read out directly for a lot of bases at once.

    While I believe that patenting of DNA sequences is something we have to come to grips with (and hopefully outlaw), this patent definitely does not fall into that category. If anything, this is a really really elegant hack which allows DNA to be examined by making lots of copies quickly and cheaply. This makes it possible for anyone to do the research. Essentially they are trying to open up the sequencing by coming up with an ingenius technique.

    I also really take offense to people who cheer or boo this decision without taking a look at content and only look at the subject heading! Read something carefully before spouting off an opinion and maybe you'll actually make sense.

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    1. Re:They probably deserve this patent. by The+Other+Dan · · Score: 2
      The process which the article is talking about (PCR - Polymerase Chain Reaction) is a significant advancement that has allowed the HGP to progress at amazing speed.

      To quible about things that don't really matter...

      I'm pretty sure that the HGP isn't using PCR based sequencing. Most genome projects use what is known as shotgun sequencing. In short, PCR requires DNA primers- a template (usually of 18-24 base pairs) of known sequence so that Taq (or another DNA polymerase) can begin DNA synthesis. This obviously requires knowledge of the sequence, and so inorder to sequence the genome this way, you have to sequence a little bit, design new primers, and repeat. The extreme delays in the Drosophila genome project have shown why this method doesn't work.

      The HGP uses shotgun sequencing, which basicly involves taking DNA, breaking it up into bits, sticking into a cosmid, and growing up a batch of culture (like E. coli) which contains this cosmid, harvesting the cosmid, and sequencing the insert. Then all of these inserts need to be pieced together- the hard part.

      Don't get me wrong- PCR is wonderful. I couldn't do my research without it. (Well, I could, but it would be way harder.) But the HGP isn't the be all and end all of biology, and it isn't using PCR.

  8. well... by MillMan · · Score: 5

    While this is great there decision wasn't one of "prior art" as much as it was:

    U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker on Tuesday upheld a challenge by
    Promega Corp., which argued that scientists got the important patent in
    1990 by misrepresenting their experiments and falsely claiming advances
    over previous discoveries.


    So it sounds to me like it was more for scientific technical reasons. It also sounds like there is another company that could come forward and gets patents like this one. What do you guys think? Same interpretation?

    If it is the way I think it is, there really hasn't been any breakthrough...

  9. Re:Too bad the concept still exists by NMerriam · · Score: 2

    The "idiotic" rate at which biotech companies are applying for patents is hardly such; these companies are just defending their interests as best they can

    I wasn't referring to legitimate biotech inventions (like medicines, engineered bacteria or non-obvious chemical processes) -- those are certainly worth the same as any other invention, and have a lot of expensive research behind them. That's why I said I'm at least relieved that this patent was a PROCESS.

    I was referring to the dubious and genric genome patents (that you talked about as well), and (in general) the patenting of naturally occuring substances. It just seems ridiculous to claim them as original works...

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  10. Gene Patenting isn't entirely evil by GMOL · · Score: 3

    I'd just like to comment on what I think is ignorance about geneomics. You have an idea for an invention, you spend tonnes of time an money developing it and you make something, and sell it to make a profit so that you can pay back all your staff so they can buy food and healthcare and all those wonderful things. It would really be unfair for anyone else to step in the middle, copy you work and claim it as theirs and make a profit when you did all the development, that's why a patent makes sense. You spend a tonne of mony researching a particular nucleic acid sequence, beg for funding from rich people and eventulay you have something that you can make some money off of because you've proven it to be safe and beneficial, and you patent your invention (yes it is an invention, even with natural sequences it requires a lot of work in order to determine what they do, you should really have patent rights if you discover the function/purpose of things so complex). Someone could copy your sequence with a pen and paper and claim it as theirs when you've given your sweat and blood finding it; it makes sense to patent such things becuase like all things, they cost time effort and money, those investments have to be so people can make a living just like any other product.

    1. Re:Gene Patenting isn't entirely evil by Animats · · Score: 2

      I'd argue that to patent a gene, you should have to invent it, not just read it out of some existing genome. Existing DNA should be viewed as public-domain prior art. Only de novo design, the creation of new forms of life, should be considered to meet the novelty test for patentability.

  11. No, really, it's all good!! by botulinux · · Score: 2

    You can see the actual ruling on this case at http://www.promega.com/taqlegal/991207/991207order .pdf in pdf format. What apparently happened was that some journal articles were published in 1976 and 1980 which characterized the enzyme Thermophile AQuaticus (TAQ) polymerase, which is at the heart of PCR. Apparently, the folks at Cetus found a "different" polymerase, or at least they thought so. It turns out that the "difference" was experimental error, and that TAQ polymerase was already known and characterized in the open literature, THUS, its application to DNA amplification was covered, or "anticipated". Then, according to the finding, Promega called Hoffmann-La Roche on this fact, and H-LR decided to ignore it. And it turns out, once again according to the finding, that the scientists involved give the appearance of trying to cover up this fact to save their a$$e$. (Now, that's a pretty strong claim!) It is clearly a reversal based on prior art, not some technicality, which is good news. Although, I do offer my condolences to Hoffmann-La Roche; a lot of hurtin' going on there. So, what you need to repeat this victory in the computer arena are copies of all the old DECUS material, and every other early computing group material, especially from Xerox, and then get Ralph Nader to do a class action suit against virtually all bogus "hi-tech" companies, listing every internet user as a plaintiff. Heck, all the CPM and apple groups probably had some sort of one-click apple networked transaction using hypercard going in the 80s. All you need is something that differs by only the protocol, and you've won (provided someone takes it to court). Now, I noticed that Hoffmann-La Roche might be in for some penalties in this case. I wonder if anyone knows what kind of penalties can be imposed? Can you really collect from a bunch of IPO's that are losing money? But allow me to expound (and expand) and get more to the point; the people who invented TAQ polymerase found a naturally occuring product and then found a use for it. Naturally occuring products don't come with any rules, so, this sort of invention really is an 'art' because it is 'artificially' imposed upon nature to accomplish some desired, but not neccesarily useful, thing. This is not the case with software combinations. The creators of un*x went to a lot of trouble so that commands could pipe into one another and be used in endless combinations. This same approach of interoperability was applied to TCP/IP and eventually to HTML. So, the inventors, by design, granted us the ability to connect all the commands on a system to one another. Thus, any combination of programs which are doing what their creators envisioned, and which are strung together with pipes and tees or shared memory is already covered by the inventions which went into the OS. To say that one specific set of commands should be pulled away from the public because some company thought of it first is ludicrous. It's like patenting a new end-game for chess. It's like patenting the use of a 1-4-5 chord progression to produce a "hip" attitude in a music recipient. (Am I preaching to the choir yet? :) There is no problem with getting copyrights to this stuff, it's done all the time. However, when you play within the rules set up by someone else, you can't patent your style of play. Can Michael Jordan patent a basketball move? No, he's playing by someone elses rules. But take image compression, as a counter example. If I develop a way to digitize a picture and then represent it with only 1/10000th of the original numbers representing digitized points, I have a) done something new and useful b) done something which doesn't require a computer. That's right!; long before computers, people were digitizing things and performing manual calculations on them, albeit small calculations. So, a patent should be granted in this because there were no rules and I created something by my art. Now, take your one-click shopping again. Linking databases via the internet all takes place within the rules set up by the originators of operating systems and internet protocols. What would this look like if the computers were eliminated. Well, it could be construed as someone looking through a catalog with one-phonecall shopping which links inventory and account legers and has automatic follow up phone calls to a shipping department and the customer. So, DONCHA SEE? This is nothing more than a mail order system with some book keeping, which has literally been around since cuneiform writing was developed by the ancient Sumerians. So, my $.03 is that if you can eliminate the computers and you still have a novel process which doesn't play by the rules, then you have a bona fide invention!

  12. Re:Too bad the concept still exists by fpepin · · Score: 3

    The process of the PCR (that's the right abbreviation) is a very patentable process. It's a mix of using bacterial enzymes (which was what the patent was about) and putting it into a thermocycler (it simply raises and drops the temperature over and over) with the segment of DNA and primers and an hour later you have billions of copies of sequence you're interested in.

    The idea of putting it all together is rather simple when you thing about it, but it's still a stroke of genius. That patent still holds if I remember well (but no money went to the inventor though). At the begininng, you had to put a new enzyme mix at each cycle because the heat would destroy it. If I understand it well, the patent in question was about another mix that can survive the temperature, so you put it once and forget about it. So THAT patent was more of using something that already exist in nature (and not a new process).

    Processes like that are and should be patentable because they are still brilliant inventions with a human mechanical side and they're the ones that helps the science go advance so fast these days.

  13. Today's ludicrous patent. by Paul+Crowley · · Score: 2

    Claim 1: a system whereby hilarity and/or despair is brought to a large group of people through the broadcast of the details of granted patents.

    Claim 2: a system as in Claim 1 whereby the details are provided in the form of a Uniform Resource Locator identifying the patent on an Internet accessible patent repository such as the IBM patent site.

    Claim 3: a system as in Claim 1 and/or Claim 2 whereby the method of broadcast is an article on a popular portal site such as Slashdot.

    Claim 4: a system as in Claims 1-3 whereby the patent applicants are obviously massively taking the piss.

    US5443036: Method of exercising a cat
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  14. Re:Sticking it to The Man by Tucan · · Score: 2

    And just becasue Promega has a patent on Taq polymerase, it doesn't mean you can't make your own. My lab has a freezer full of Taq that we made. It's pretty simple - clone the gene, express it in E. Coli, purify the proteins, heat-kill the unwanted proteins, and viola - hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Taq. As far as I know, as long as we don't try to sell it, this is perfectly legal.

    I'm fairly sure that this is incorrect, unless your lab or institution has a unique licensing agreement with Roche. Every unit of Taq comes with a limited license to use it for PCR in an "authorized thermocycler". Some companies (i.e. Visible Genetics) have been granted broader licenses for PCR. Perhaps your lab has this type of agreement? Or perhpas your lab has just been sticking it to The Man (Right on!). In either case, the patent has been invalidated so no harm, no foul.
    One step closer to hacking the genome at home!

  15. Re:Too bad the concept still exists by say-tan · · Score: 2

    i'm pretty sure kerry mullis did get some money from this...plus he won the nobel prize in chemistry for this discovery. i believe this is the actual patent that they are discussing (he worked with this company when he discovered it).

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  16. Too bad the concept still exists by NMerriam · · Score: 4

    unfortunately, the patent was ruled against only because of impropriety in the application/description (representing that it was more significant a change than it was from previous knowledge).

    The ruling I'd like very much to see is that genetic patents aren't enforcable/legitimate at all, due to the fact that they are merely discoveries.

    Of course, this patent dealt with a specific PROCESS, not a true genetic patent, so I can at least understand why that could/should be protected.

    Hopefully this will at least slow down the idiotic rate at which biotech patents are being applied for, as it tells the companies that sloppiness or misrepresentation in the application will invalidate the discovery. Since most of the genetic patents are being done through brute-force methods and applied for as fast as they can type the pages, this may inject a modicum of restraint...

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    1. Re:Too bad the concept still exists by athom · · Score: 2

      The "idiotic" rate at which biotech companies are applying for patents is hardly such; these companies are just defending their interests as best they can. Without legal guarantees of the exclusive rights to a product, there is hardly any incentive to pursue an incredibly expensive line of research (which will very likely yield no profitable results). Patent guessing is a delicate line to walk; precedents on what will be granted are constantly changing for various types of molecules. The best solution these companies have is to simply try to patent anything they can and then argue it later in court when it gets challenged. Otherwise, any me-too startup could, at relatively little expense compared to the original research effort, reverse engineer a product and significantly undersell the original manufacturer, thereby removing the incentive for anyone to do research at all. Since these corporations must [by law] protect their assets to the best of their ability, making the claims makes perfect sense. Restraint would do them, and their shareholders, no good.

      The recent attempts to patent things like the entire human genome are admittedly dubious, and the companies attempting such things have little expectation that such claims will hold up. However, depending on the review clerk which happens to process your claim, what you can get away with in a patent application varies quite widely, often making the effort worth it (at least until the inevitable court challenge). The flipside is that what flies in one application sometimes won't in another, despite obvious correlations.

      In the end, the best strategy is just to research what you think you can get a patent for, and then once you have something that somebody else hasn't before (whether or not it exists naturally), try to claim it and every possible derivative compound, process related to it, etc.

  17. Not an interesting decision by trance9 · · Score: 3

    I was hoping it would say that patents on DNA were illegal. But it didn't. It said these particular scientists used deception to try and patent something which they didn't invent.

    In fact, this is evidence of a disaster.

    The patent office obviously didn't do enough work to determine whether the proposed patent was credible--they just rubber stamped it, and left it for the courts to work out. Since the courts are incredibly expensive, that puts a challenge to a patent like this out of reach to the average person. It took a corporate adversary with a legal team to defeat it.

    Not something that you and me and your favorite free software development team will benefit from. Well... maybe now that VA and Red Hat are worth a gazillion dollars we can finally get some of those lawyers fighting for the right team :-)

  18. I patented the brain by Travoltus · · Score: 2


    God pays me $500 for every brain He passes out.

    Which should tell you something since I haven't made a dime in years......

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  19. PRC? by say-tan · · Score: 2

    just a technicality, but i'm sure you meant, PCR, polymerase chain reaction, and not PRC.

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    1. Re:PRC? by say-tan · · Score: 2

      i just noticed that the article was saying PRC as well. can't cnn get their information right?

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  20. inventor of PCR by sesquiped · · Score: 2

    I've seen a few people mention this, so I thought I'd clear it up.

    The person who invented PCR is Kary Mullis. He's written a book, _Dancing Naked in the Mind Field_, in which he talks about a whole bunch of stuff, mostly related to science. Interestingly, he writes about how the people he worked for at the time when he invented it (Cetus) took the rights for the reaction away from him and compensated him with significantly less that he thought he deserved (and probably did deserve).

    He also writes about hallucinogenic (sp?) drugs, poisonous spiders, current trends in pseudoscience, and a whole array of intersting topics. I'd reccomend this book to anyone who's ever read about science or had any thoughs on the subject. Yes, that means you. It's a great "mind opener."

  21. Re:It's PCR, not PRC. Get your facts right. by say-tan · · Score: 2

    it's cnn's fault, they messed it up in the story.

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