Uhg, I wouldn't say so. You're confusing "Familiar" with "User friendly". My brother finds it hard to use windows machines after so long on ubuntu (he's 13).
I'd say that windows is a bunch less user friendly for most tasks. For example, "All Programs" contains a bunch of brand names you may have forgotten, forget what they do, etc. This is rectified by GNOME's menus, which are so simple I could orgasm right now over their cute icons. Yeah....
It depends what we're aiming for. Striking a balance between windows-like and neutral easy-of-use is important; remember that windows is just a bunch of ideas of what makes a good GUI ripped off all kinds of sources.
Arthur: What does it say?
Maynard: It reads, 'Here may be found the last words of Joseph of Arimathea: "He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the Holy Grail in the Castle of Aaaaarrrgh"'.
[pause]
Arthur: What?
Maynard: '"...The Castle of Aaaaarrrgh"'.
[pause]
Bedevere: What is that?
Maynard: He must have died while carving it.
Lancelot: [incredulous] Oh, come on!
Maynard: Well that's what it says.
Arthur: Look, if he was dying, he wouldn't bother to carve 'Aaaaarrrgh'. He'd just say it!
Maynard: Well, that's what's carved in the rock.
Galahad: Perhaps he was dictating.
And the most important question is, how did he get access in the first time? The server was running Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (i386) and was fairly updated. The compromised could be caused by:
* An exploit unknown to the public.
* A user accessing this server from an already compromised host. The attacker could then sniff the the password.
Listen, we already have a bunch of stories on/. about the evils of DRM. On one of those stories, your comment would be redundant at best. Right now it's offtopic, stupid, attention-seeking _and_ redundant. Epic fail.
You hit the nail right on the head there, actually. We're working in the present day here, and if the U.S.A. were to start up a new colony and start selling off the land (N.B. this hasn't happened in Iraq - it is an occupation, the US government doesn't own the land) it would be illegal (and a war crime, I think). So your example rings entirely true, but perhaps not in the way you wanted.
Well, this is a political issue. From my understanding, the government is selling rights to use certain frequencies of electromagnetic waves - a hugely important part of physics and the universe we live in. A bunch of people object to this, that the US government has some kind of automatic ownership of anything that can generate a profit unless it sells it.
The jist is that a physics fundamental isn't something we can buy and sell.
Just expanding here. Disclaimer: I don't know perl.
for ($i=256; $i>xCCCCC; $i=$i+256) {... }
$i is set to 256, however the loop only iterates when $i is greater than xCCCCC (Which I assume is a hex notation of a number greater than 256). Hence, this condition returns false the first time it is tested and the loop body is never processed.
Well, we aren't saying they didn't try. The method of catching scammers is just completely futile. If they really felt like catching people who send these viruses, etc, they'd keep a constantly updating list on the msn server. That would find more "bad" links while keeping genuine links.
Wow, I'm replying to two of your ignorant comments.
Or in other words, people who quite rightly find installing things like codecs and then having to modify countless config files so the media player and the browser can use them either difficult or, quite rightly, a bloody ridiculous thing to have to do.
I've addressed codecs in my other post to you. Here's the jist again: open a media file, if you don't have the codec, it will install it. Firefox, and gstreamer-based media players, will automatically make use of the new codecs, no questions asked. This is a non-issue.
When Linux distros finally sort out the farce that is installing vendor provided graphics card drivers, software and codecs etc, then tools like Automatix won't be needed.
Under ubuntu: System > Administration > Restricted Drivers Manager. Enter your password when prompted. Mark the checkbox under the "enabled" column. Reboot when prompted. This is about a thousand times easier than trawling the web for a driver on windows, not to mention the often buggy installers (which I've had my fair share of)
Software? Add/remove programs and synaptic cover this in a way which is far more simple, centralised, consistant and user-friendly than Windows. Software management under most distros is about as good as it gets (e.g. yum, apt, etc). Codecs I've already covered.
You seem a little misled by these issues anyway. Stop by in your distro's IRC channel and they'll help you through it.
Before the Ubuntu team criticizes add-ons that make the system useful to many more people, they should get their own house in order.
You have to understand that development doesn't follow a simple step-by-step process, especially with as many developers / package maintainers as there are on your average distro. While addressing their own "house", the devs can also address other headaches, e.g. the hoards of people with broken systems due to automatix.
There is a net loss in using automatix. Upgrading is a huge pain, as so much stuff is broken / hacked together. Most things automatix was built for can now be done quickly in a none-hacky way. There is no real reason to use automatix, as the problem automatix addressed (lack of an easy way to make common customizations/installs) isn't there anymore.
1. The version of RealVNC is broken and possibly insecure.
You sure about that? I certainly used RealVNC before the feisty final release. Insecure? That'd be addressed in security updates.
2. The CDFS-src package is broken, and has been for months.
Can't comment, know nothing of it.
3. There does not seem to be any good and easy way to install a firewall. Red Hat seems to have a simple IPTABLES firewall installed as an option in the installation process, why can't Ubuntu do this?
iptables is also installed by default on ubuntu. You can also use firestarter to manage it in through a GUI, that's what I do:-)
And the reason Automatix exists? Because Linux is fucking hard to work with as a newbie, especially installing CODECS and making sure everything can find them, so someone came up with a GUI point'n'clicky tool.
Yep. But it isn't needed any more. You specifically mention codecs here. Open an MP3 on a fresh install of ubuntu. You'll get a dialog saying along the lines of "You're missing a codec required for playing this file. install it? [yes] [no]". It'll then install it automatically. Explain how this is "fucking hard".
The people I think who are trying to de-rail Automatix are the very same Loonix nutjobs who say everything should be done by CLI and if you can't do that, stick to Windows.
If that were true, gnu/linux wouldn't have come out of the CLI. Guess what? It did. I mostly use GUI stuff, but sometimes CLI is much faster and easier. It's a matter of preference. Either way, I don't fall into the criteria you mentioned to be a "loonix nutjob", and I still don't endorse Automatix. In short: it breaks things, and upgrades become a HUGE pain. Read the comments on this story for details.
What I was getting at is that, under normal usage, you won't have any need to have an explore. But on reflection, you're right. There's not all that much that can be done, tho. I suppose a future distro could "hack" round it, by putting things in/system (e.g./system/usr) and symlinking stuff on the / to that (/usr ->/system/usr), and then the default file manager wouldn't display any symlinked directories in/... But that's very hacky;-)
Yeah, linux is complex. Things like directory structure are mind-boggling to beginners, but with any luck (and the huge strides you mentioned) beginners won't see anything outside their home directory.
My personal opinion, after having used Linux quite a bit, is simply that Linux isn't ready for the desktop. While many apps have easy to install packages, a lot of apps don't. Particularly smaller, single-developer shareware kind of apps. Many of these require getting source and compiling, something my mother or grandmother won't be able to do.
Uhg, again, it depends on usage. I suspect your grandparents might have an email account, and order some products online. The bleeding-edge version of gcc won't be entirely necessary for this kind of use.
Finally, frankly, I don't find the UIs all that intuitive to use. I've used Gnome and KDE. I prefer KDE, but I have issues with both. It took me a while to figure out how to drag and drop gzip compressed files from KDE. I can't even remember how it works off the top of my head, I'd have to go do it again. But it definitely wasn't as intuitive as drag and drop from say WinZip to a folder in Windows.
I know you're just giving an example here, but in my experience this is a lot easier under linux than windows. Right click > Extract Here does it for me. You can also use file-roller, which is a bunch more intuitive than Winzip. Creating archives is super too. Select the files, right click > Create Archive. You can choose from a bunch of compression algorithms too...:)
Another issue is the community, which in many places is hostile to newbies. I've been insulted on more Linux support forums for asking question than I've ever been on Windows support forums. There are places to get good support for Linux, but there are a lot of really hostile ones too. Windows may have some hostile ones, but I just run into it far less frequently.
I'm frequently in #ubuntu on freenode, and that channel is one of the most patient and anti-elitist channels I idle in. You're right though, it varies a lot. Basic question-asking skills sidestep the whole "will-i-get-flamed" thoughts.
The fragmentation of Linux distros has nothing to do with it being slowly accepted as a mainstream OS; lack of specialized apps, shaky hardware support and the usual suspects are to blame for that. As well as the fact that for most people Windows and pirated Office Just Work(tm) (which they kinda do, come to think of it) so why change?
I thought you were looking at consumers? 99% of them don't use specialist apps. An awful lot of hardware is supported nowadays
But, you raise a good point. Until we shift the question to "Why use windows?" or "Why continue to use windows?" we can't really get migration going. Undoubtedly, Linux has a lot of advantages over windows, but most consumers are unaware of their importance because microsoft push the idea that the stuff windows is good at is the most important stuff (for example, semi-transparent fuzzy windows). You get people more willing to reboot whenever they modify something hugely trivial than can be bothered to get beryl working.
By all means, correct me if I'm wrong, but the clauses can be in separate tenses.
"didn't" would imply that he didn't need it then, but does now. "don't" implies he didn't need it then, and doesn't need it now. It's a little awkward, but it isn't the glaring grammatical error you make it out to be.
Not to mention painfully slow. It is by far the slowest app I run. It takes over 10 seconds to close after I hit close. Start up times are equally huge, and in use, the app is very slow.
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Woh woh woh. A Neutral Milk Hotel fan on /.? It's not as if the Apples are any better known, by the way.
If you're interested: http://stormx.no-ip.org/nmh
(Yeah, totally OT, meh. What more can be said on these stories that hasn't been said before?)
Uhg, I wouldn't say so. You're confusing "Familiar" with "User friendly". My brother finds it hard to use windows machines after so long on ubuntu (he's 13).
I'd say that windows is a bunch less user friendly for most tasks. For example, "All Programs" contains a bunch of brand names you may have forgotten, forget what they do, etc. This is rectified by GNOME's menus, which are so simple I could orgasm right now over their cute icons. Yeah....
It depends what we're aiming for. Striking a balance between windows-like and neutral easy-of-use is important; remember that windows is just a bunch of ideas of what makes a good GUI ripped off all kinds of sources.
Arthur: What does it say?
Maynard: It reads, 'Here may be found the last words of Joseph of Arimathea: "He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the Holy Grail in the Castle of Aaaaarrrgh"'.
[pause]
Arthur: What?
Maynard: '"...The Castle of Aaaaarrrgh"'.
[pause]
Bedevere: What is that?
Maynard: He must have died while carving it.
Lancelot: [incredulous] Oh, come on!
Maynard: Well that's what it says.
Arthur: Look, if he was dying, he wouldn't bother to carve 'Aaaaarrrgh'. He'd just say it!
Maynard: Well, that's what's carved in the rock.
Galahad: Perhaps he was dictating.
Listen, we already have a bunch of stories on /. about the evils of DRM. On one of those stories, your comment would be redundant at best. Right now it's offtopic, stupid, attention-seeking _and_ redundant. Epic fail.
You hit the nail right on the head there, actually. We're working in the present day here, and if the U.S.A. were to start up a new colony and start selling off the land (N.B. this hasn't happened in Iraq - it is an occupation, the US government doesn't own the land) it would be illegal (and a war crime, I think). So your example rings entirely true, but perhaps not in the way you wanted.
Well, this is a political issue. From my understanding, the government is selling rights to use certain frequencies of electromagnetic waves - a hugely important part of physics and the universe we live in. A bunch of people object to this, that the US government has some kind of automatic ownership of anything that can generate a profit unless it sells it.
:)
The jist is that a physics fundamental isn't something we can buy and sell.
Do correct me if I'm wrong
Not doubting, but do you have a citation on that? I've never come across that before.
13. ???
14. PROFIT!
- Torrent - 50%
- Azureus - 34%
- BitTornado - 3%
- BitTorrent / Mainline - 3%
- BitComet - 2%
- ABC - 2%
- Transmission - 1%
- BitLord - 1%
- Tomato Torrent - 1%
- rtorrent - 1%
Everything else was below 1%Is there any compelling reason _not_ to use apache?! o.O
Well, we aren't saying they didn't try. The method of catching scammers is just completely futile. If they really felt like catching people who send these viruses, etc, they'd keep a constantly updating list on the msn server. That would find more "bad" links while keeping genuine links.
This has been known about for years. Here's a digg posting from over a year ago...
Software? Add/remove programs and synaptic cover this in a way which is far more simple, centralised, consistant and user-friendly than Windows. Software management under most distros is about as good as it gets (e.g. yum, apt, etc). Codecs I've already covered.
You seem a little misled by these issues anyway. Stop by in your distro's IRC channel and they'll help you through it.
There is a net loss in using automatix. Upgrading is a huge pain, as so much stuff is broken / hacked together. Most things automatix was built for can now be done quickly in a none-hacky way. There is no real reason to use automatix, as the problem automatix addressed (lack of an easy way to make common customizations/installs) isn't there anymore. You sure about that? I certainly used RealVNC before the feisty final release. Insecure? That'd be addressed in security updates. Can't comment, know nothing of it. iptables is also installed by default on ubuntu. You can also use firestarter to manage it in through a GUI, that's what I do
What I was getting at is that, under normal usage, you won't have any need to have an explore. But on reflection, you're right. There's not all that much that can be done, tho. I suppose a future distro could "hack" round it, by putting things in /system (e.g. /system/usr) and symlinking stuff on the / to that (/usr -> /system/usr), and then the default file manager wouldn't display any symlinked directories in /... But that's very hacky ;-)
But, you raise a good point. Until we shift the question to "Why use windows?" or "Why continue to use windows?" we can't really get migration going. Undoubtedly, Linux has a lot of advantages over windows, but most consumers are unaware of their importance because microsoft push the idea that the stuff windows is good at is the most important stuff (for example, semi-transparent fuzzy windows). You get people more willing to reboot whenever they modify something hugely trivial than can be bothered to get beryl working.
By all means, correct me if I'm wrong, but the clauses can be in separate tenses.
"didn't" would imply that he didn't need it then, but does now. "don't" implies he didn't need it then, and doesn't need it now. It's a little awkward, but it isn't the glaring grammatical error you make it out to be.
Not to mention painfully slow. It is by far the slowest app I run. It takes over 10 seconds to close after I hit close. Start up times are equally huge, and in use, the app is very slow.
I'm so sorry.