I agree completely, I have been very critical of Macs in the past but I recently switched from OpenBSD on my desktop (switched from linux to that in 2003) and don't know why I didn't switch when OS X came out. I see it at work as well, I work at a CS department and Macs are *very* popular, and some of the other science departments are completely dominated by Macs.
Your right singularity is an interesting project that could have very positive effects on OS research. Even re-writing a kernel in Cyclone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_programming_language) and other interesting changes... I have always wondered if a co-operative multitasking system for processes in kernel space would be a huge improvement. JNode on the other hand is a bad joke, throw away the MMU so we can't safely run any C/C++ or FORTRAN code? Billions of lines of code flushed down the toilet to what end ?
Your right iscsi does perform acceptably for a lot of uses but I feel I should point out that your results probably are a reflection of linux cacheing and read ahead performance, most gig-e gear now seems to do wire speed which is great but gig-e might not cut it. FC still provides considerably more bandwidth and lower latency. 10GBe will improve that but I read a benchmark of 10GBe HBAs (which I apologize but I can't find) that showed the maximum performance that could be got out of the operating system and HBA at 2.5Gb/s which is no where near advertised and lower than FC. Too me this isn't really surprising TCP/IP imposes quite a bit of overhead e.g. run bonnie++ on an NFS share over IB without any of the cute RDMA stuff and watch the machine spend 30% of its time in kernel.
>The only thing I could possibly need to plug into my Macbook is a webcam, or DVD burner, which it already has built in!
The macbook air doesn't have a DVD burner, a macbook or macbook pro arn't in the same class as an X300, being 2 or more pounds heavier and dimensionally are substantially larger.
Carrying a USB hub plus all the other crap the MBA lacks around would suck I like one laptop I can just grab and carry around like a book (and is durable enough to care around like that, no matter what people say I dont think apple build quality/design is very good: I have seen to many powerbooks with completely busted hinges and LCDs with screwed up screens from pressure on them etc)
In my opinion all of the MBA vs X300 comments so far have missed the most crucial missing feature from the MBA, the complete lack of any reasonable way of networking the damn thing, a laptop in 2008 without gigabit Ethernet is just criminal. Personally what I want out of a laptop is something portable thats easy to haul around: however when I get to either of my desks at home or work I want to be able to plug it in and sync it with real machines at a rate somewhere faster than molasses and that isn't going to be over wifi.
Hardware wise its hard to argue that the MBA is even comparable, the X300 packs a higher resolution screen, a dvd burner, a ton of wireless connectivity options on top of just wifi and bluetooth, you can change the battery yourself (easily) and if its like my X60 even plug an extended battery into the ultra base connector on the bottom for long flights. Having OS X might be nice I admit but I could use that at home and not have to endure the torture of an apple portable.
The amusing thing is that both times the summary and resulting discussion has been completely silly (people read the papers right?:) rather then discussing whats a very interesting class of security problems.
The first submission lead people to believe that it was some kind of vulnerability in OpenBSD when its really a whole class of security problem affecting any kind of process that attempts to trap the system calls of another for the purposes policy verification.
The second summary completely munged the technical details. perhaps the third one will be charmed?
Give it time. Ten years ago copying CDs was technically out of reach for most, CD burners were just starting to become affordable (and included with OEM machines) and the software really truly sucked. Most machines include dual layer burners now, and the software is here but still fairly unrefined (e.g. click->boom its ripped write it where?) DVDs are a little different because we are are unlikely to see Dell include point and click software to copy a DVD: because it can't be a disk to disk copy like a CD for technical reasons (the hidden keys) and processing power still hasn't caught up yet: trans-coding still takes way way to long (the old "its all about convenience stupid":).
The only thing mysql has going for it is that PHP integrates so nicely with it and for many web apps thats great but for anything else there are far better choices.
They dont need to ask you where your going or what your doing, when they can just follow you from camera to camera until they have that information if they wish. The "when you get there" bit was a nice little addition but if they can follow to your destination thats sort of irrelevant anyway isnt it? Man going to a bar at lunch, teen aged girl going to a planned parenthood clinic, they might not be drinking on the job or getting an abortion but the video would certainly make a case that such a thing was occurring. They may not have been infact doing either things but either one could be used to drag someones character threw the mud, couple that with the fact that people have a tendency to believe anything they see on a television screen and the large body of evidence that suggests that people are easily swayed by deficiencies in the quality of the recorded video or the manner in which it was captured to incorrectly make judgments about a persons guilt or innocence (see the research into recorded police interviews with suspects presented to juries) you have a recipe for perpetuating gross injustices.
You implicitly assume that the police will never abuse the technology or that the information it collects will never be released but your just wrong, we already have plenty of contradictory experience google "police officer stalking" or "ez-pass infidelity" just for some examples off the top of my head. Your analogy to a police officer on the street is flawed, technology fundamentally changes things. There is no society on earth that can afford to have a four or more police officers on every street corner 24 hours a day 365 days a year, but they can put cameras on every street corner and they can add image recognition software to track a person from camera to camera, they can add facial recognition, and they can store the data forever because disk space only gets cheaper. Twenty years down the road a promising new political canidate that promises to change things for the better will have his or her political career destroyed because of some past indiscretion that would have gone unnoticed 40 years in the past, (from a video leaked of course by the opposing politicians to the press).
My argument isnt about a slippery slope in my view its a 1000 meter tumble off the side of a cliff, we have technologies are of little useful value for there stated purpose but are ripe for abuse in a million unintended ways.
Tell me where the free market exists for telecom in North America exactly?
The problem is the last mile for more than a century now the market has been completely broken. The telecoms should never have been allowed to own the last mile in the first place, no more than any other corporation should be able to buy the street in front of your house! Having the city or municipality own the last mile and charge any number of competing companies who wish to offer services across said lines (be they optical fiber,co-axil or plain old copper) the cost to maintain said lines. build new ones and perhaps make a small profit as well (an incentive to keep investing in it as a profit center). Yes poorer municipalities will have crummy infrastructure like they generally have less well maintained streets but this isnt really a change from the situation now... the telcos don't invest any money in the infrastructure of these communities right now anyway (say the city of Detroit).
Why on earth did this get modded insightful ? Its it hasn't the least to do with the environment its just another whiner from the mid west. Another xenophobic lou dobbs inspired, those dirty foriegners are taking our jobs rant.
So I am going to get even further off topic..
Perhaps I can offer some insight as to why the companies are going out of business or packing up shop. I lived in the rust belt for 7 years but thankfully have escaped. The problem with the mid west is: the work force. They all think they are entitled to make 2 or 3 times as much as the average North American worker (who also posses more formal education) earns to do menial labor. It seems to be ingrained in the culture. Their mom and dad worked for Chrysler so its communicated to the next generation "I don't need good grades I can get stupidly drunk every weekend and scrape my way though high school or community college because they will get me in at the plant!". Worst yet they somehow they can manage to have this cognitive dissonance thing going on where they think that even know they make 3x as much in their organized labor job that they are somehow looking out for the man on the street and want to remind everyone how many other jobs each auto job supports (usually by spouting whatever made up number the union tells them (and the number inexplicably triples every year). Good riddance the faster they clods drag the big three down and the other auto makers take over (incidentally selling cars that are better for the environment) the better the world will be.
I find it humorous that aficionados of apple laptops think 5 pounds is "light"! A thinkpad X60 with the same processor only weighs 3 something pounds, there is the toughbook Y/W-series, fujitsu, sony most of them have better battery life too (almost 6 hours with the standard battery on an X60) (core solo on the Y series touchbooks can run for more than 11 hours )
Its still not as fast as the Atlon64 the GP pointed out The mini also has a laptop hard drive and a horrible graphics chipset which uses system memory its a bad deal for its asking price.
>Most college kids don't have the money to spend on something anyway so it doesn't affect the business model much now, but if they keep this attitude as they grow older and replace the people willing to pay, then there will be a problem.
Yes but most college kids have a lot of free time to hunt for the music they want on P2P networks and torrents they have time to deal with the spyware/malware, bad files poor quality rips etc as they get older have children get jobs they have less time for this, and are for more likely to choose convenience over price as they do with many other things...
Why does itunes work ? Why do people pay $3 for a cup of coffee from starbucks they are one and the same.
>Apple literally wrote the book on UI and to claim otherwise is simply >ignorant. The Apple Human Interface Guidelines have been the de facto standard >for years.
Those guidelines are two decades old, designed for an era when personal computers were cooperatively multitasking or in the case of apple when only one application could be run at at time. All updates to these have had a distinctively tacked on feel e.g. multi-switcher and the like.
Apple trails microsoft, gnome and kde in UI design and has for a long time, a single monolithic toolbar does not make sense when you can have many windows open at a time its counter intutative and silly.
The taskbar is far superior for managing multiple running applications versus say the multi-switcher of the OS9 days, and while the dock was surely an improvement with OS X and it is a lot more elegant than the taskbar its fundamentally flawed because it mixes metaphors, running application instances with assorted other crap.
And oh god the desktop metaphor! let it die already! again its from the era when you could really only use one application at a time... How often do you actually see the desktop when your using a modern computer and operating system ? (Well if your not an apple user) The start menu is again a better idea let the user navigate the file system hierarchy (or sadly a part of it anyway) with a single button click and mouse motions no matter if they have an application consuming almost all the screen or not.
Expose that was an example of a good innovation from apple recently but if you take off the dogmatic apple does everthing UI right glasses you will see there are not many! Don't get me wrong I think windows UI sucks bad (system notification area, the have to click through eighty menus to configure anything) but I do think apples is worse, it might be familiar but that does not make it better.
Windows vista and OS X are just more of the same tired old WIMP crap we have seen for 20+ years, don't keep touting them as innovative. You spend to much time doing chores that the os should do for you.
>The fact remains that the GPL'd code should never have been in the BSD repository without >permission, and when called on it the BSD folks
When the fact that the code had been committed was brought to light it was removed. And our "panties are in a knot" because of the way this was handled: without any tact at all. Do me a favor next time your in public and I don't know say: you can't find your pen and there is someone with a pen that looks remarkably like yours. Instead of I dont know politely asking "hey is that my pen" SCREAM AS LOUD AS YOU CAN ABOUT THAT PERSON BEING A THIEF, what kind of reaction do you think that would provoke ? In the real world you would likely get punched in the face or fitted for a straight jacket. But said behavior is perfectly acceptable when your behind a keyboard?
>Michael offered a means to resolve the situation in a manner that would benefit the BSD project.
I like your drugs can I have some? I read absolutely no sincerity into anyones motivations in that camp, I get the distinct impression that they were waiting, hoping marcus would make a mistake so they could torpedo the driver and behold.
>And *none* of the discussion thus far explains how the BSD people thought they could implement >the driver using the GPL'd code as a jumping-off point without turning it into a derivative work.
Come on your definition of derivation is so broad now it would make the linux kernel subject to the APSL because some developers of drivers there looked at darwin. Marcus intention was never to copy any of the GPL code, he was trying to write a driver for hardware with no specs (please dont post the link to that stupid wiki again there is not enough information there to write a driver) the only information about the hardware was a driver subject to the GPL.
Bullshit, you would not have, your project is terrified of lawyers thats was the whole reason for the Chinese wall.
But you decided to lynch another open source developer in public because you could get away with it.
>It's interresting that people seem to think _I_ have to apologize, as the OpenBSD developers
You don't owe an apology to the OpenBSD developers you owe an apology to *ONE* OpenBSD developer Marcus Glocker. You called him a thief in public smeared his name without doing him the courtesy of contacting him about the problem. I hope if you ever make a mistake in public the aggrieved party is a lot more understanding.
Sigh the driver does work in OpenBSD but not well. Damien who works on the IPW driver in OpenBSD but which IIRC is also used by Net, Free and OpenSolaris! has been trying to get documentation so he can write a proper OPEN SOURCE driver i.e. From: http://damien.bergamini.free.fr/ipw/ "I've started to work on a driver for Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG network adapters, as found in recent Centrino(TM) laptops. Needless to say, this driver won't require any binary-only user-space daemon to operate, contrary to the Linux driver provided by Intel®. Such daemons that must execute as root and have complete access to the hardware are unacceptable for this project."
They are also asking people who use ANY OPEN SOURCE OPERATING SYSTEM to complain so perhaps intel will change their policy regarding firmware licensing, right now a few of the sell out commercial linux distros can distribute the firmware because they have signed restricitve agreements, however the terms are completly unacceptable to many.
To commemorate 10 years of OpenBSD the project is also selling an Audio CD with all the release songs from 3.0
through 4.0, also has some cool extras including a bonus track and a 11cm silver-on-clear die-cut wireframe Puffy sticker, for $15.
OpenBSD Audio CD
Slashdot Mirror
I agree completely, I have been very critical of Macs in the past but I recently switched from OpenBSD on my desktop (switched from linux to that in 2003) and don't know why I didn't switch when OS X came out. I see it at work as well, I work at a CS department and Macs are *very* popular, and some of the other science departments are completely dominated by Macs.
Your right singularity is an interesting project that could have very positive effects on OS research. Even re-writing a kernel in Cyclone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_programming_language) and other interesting changes ... I have always wondered if a co-operative multitasking system for processes in kernel space would be a huge improvement. JNode on the other hand is a bad joke, throw away the MMU so we can't safely run any C/C++ or FORTRAN code? Billions of lines of code flushed down the toilet to what end ?
Your right iscsi does perform acceptably for a lot of uses but I feel I should point out that your results probably are a reflection of linux cacheing and read ahead performance, most gig-e gear now seems to do wire speed which is great but gig-e might not cut it. FC still provides considerably more bandwidth and lower latency. 10GBe will improve that but I read a benchmark of 10GBe HBAs (which I apologize but I can't find) that showed the maximum performance that could be got out of the operating system and HBA at 2.5Gb/s which is no where near advertised and lower than FC. Too me this isn't really surprising TCP/IP imposes quite a bit of overhead e.g. run bonnie++ on an NFS share over IB without any of the cute RDMA stuff and watch the machine spend 30% of its time in kernel.
>The only thing I could possibly need to plug into my Macbook is a webcam, or DVD burner, which it already has built in! The macbook air doesn't have a DVD burner, a macbook or macbook pro arn't in the same class as an X300, being 2 or more pounds heavier and dimensionally are substantially larger. Carrying a USB hub plus all the other crap the MBA lacks around would suck I like one laptop I can just grab and carry around like a book (and is durable enough to care around like that, no matter what people say I dont think apple build quality/design is very good: I have seen to many powerbooks with completely busted hinges and LCDs with screwed up screens from pressure on them etc) In my opinion all of the MBA vs X300 comments so far have missed the most crucial missing feature from the MBA, the complete lack of any reasonable way of networking the damn thing, a laptop in 2008 without gigabit Ethernet is just criminal. Personally what I want out of a laptop is something portable thats easy to haul around: however when I get to either of my desks at home or work I want to be able to plug it in and sync it with real machines at a rate somewhere faster than molasses and that isn't going to be over wifi. Hardware wise its hard to argue that the MBA is even comparable, the X300 packs a higher resolution screen, a dvd burner, a ton of wireless connectivity options on top of just wifi and bluetooth, you can change the battery yourself (easily) and if its like my X60 even plug an extended battery into the ultra base connector on the bottom for long flights. Having OS X might be nice I admit but I could use that at home and not have to endure the torture of an apple portable.
Yes this is why I did not say for instance "a whole new class" ;)
Your correct sir, its a dupe.
:) rather then discussing whats a very interesting class of security problems.
The amusing thing is that both times the summary and resulting discussion has been completely silly (people read the papers right?
The first submission lead people to believe that it was some kind of vulnerability in OpenBSD when its really a whole class of security problem affecting any kind of process that attempts to trap the system calls of another for the purposes policy verification.
The second summary completely munged the technical details. perhaps the third one will be charmed?
Give it time. Ten years ago copying CDs was technically out of reach for most, CD burners were just starting to become affordable (and included with OEM machines) and the software really truly sucked. Most machines include dual layer burners now, and the software is here but still fairly unrefined (e.g. click->boom its ripped write it where?) DVDs are a little different because we are are unlikely to see Dell include point and click software to copy a DVD: because it can't be a disk to disk copy like a CD for technical reasons (the hidden keys) and processing power still hasn't caught up yet: trans-coding still takes way way to long (the old "its all about convenience stupid" :).
No you idiot the files reyk contributed were never dual licensed.
What have you been smoking ? Lots and lots of people have complained about MySQL for a long time,
i cle.php/3519116
e.g.: http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html
Here is someone who likes mysql trying to explain why automagically inserting default values for
columns that are supposed to have the constraint NOT NULL is a good idea versus the insert failing:
http://www.databasejournal.com/features/mysql/art
The only thing mysql has going for it is that PHP integrates so nicely with it and for many web apps
thats great but for anything else there are far better choices.
They dont need to ask you where your going or what your doing, when they can just follow you from camera to camera until they have that information if they wish. The "when you get there" bit was a nice little addition but if they can follow to your destination thats sort of irrelevant anyway isnt it? Man going to a bar at lunch, teen aged girl going to a planned parenthood clinic, they might not be drinking on the job or getting an abortion but the video would certainly make a case that such a thing was occurring. They may not have been infact doing either things but either one could be used to drag someones character threw the mud, couple that with the fact that people have a tendency to believe anything they see on a television screen and the large body of evidence that suggests that people are easily swayed by deficiencies in the quality of the recorded video or the manner in which it was captured to incorrectly make judgments about a persons guilt or innocence (see the research into recorded police interviews with suspects presented to juries) you have a recipe for perpetuating gross injustices. You implicitly assume that the police will never abuse the technology or that the information it collects will never be released but your just wrong, we already have plenty of contradictory experience google "police officer stalking" or "ez-pass infidelity" just for some examples off the top of my head. Your analogy to a police officer on the street is flawed, technology fundamentally changes things. There is no society on earth that can afford to have a four or more police officers on every street corner 24 hours a day 365 days a year, but they can put cameras on every street corner and they can add image recognition software to track a person from camera to camera, they can add facial recognition, and they can store the data forever because disk space only gets cheaper. Twenty years down the road a promising new political canidate that promises to change things for the better will have his or her political career destroyed because of some past indiscretion that would have gone unnoticed 40 years in the past, (from a video leaked of course by the opposing politicians to the press). My argument isnt about a slippery slope in my view its a 1000 meter tumble off the side of a cliff, we have technologies are of little useful value for there stated purpose but are ripe for abuse in a million unintended ways.
Tell me where the free market exists for telecom in North America exactly?
The problem is the last mile for more than a century now the market has been completely broken. The telecoms should never have been allowed to own the last mile in the first place, no more than any other corporation should be able to buy the street in front of your house! Having the city or municipality own the last mile and charge any number of competing companies who wish to offer services across said lines (be they optical fiber,co-axil or plain old copper) the cost to maintain said lines. build new ones and perhaps make a small profit as well (an incentive to keep investing in it as a profit center). Yes poorer municipalities will have crummy infrastructure like they generally have less well maintained streets but this isnt really a change from the situation now... the telcos don't invest any money in the infrastructure of these communities right now anyway (say the city of Detroit).
Why on earth did this get modded insightful ?
Its it hasn't the least to do with the environment its just another whiner from the mid west.
Another xenophobic lou dobbs inspired, those dirty foriegners are taking our jobs rant.
So I am going to get even further off topic..
Perhaps I can offer some insight as to why the companies are going out of business or packing up shop. I lived in the rust belt for 7 years but thankfully have escaped. The problem with the mid west is: the work force. They all think they are entitled to make 2 or 3 times as much as the average North American worker (who also posses more formal education) earns to do menial labor. It seems to be ingrained in the culture. Their mom and dad worked for Chrysler so its communicated to the next generation "I don't need good grades I can get stupidly drunk every weekend and scrape my way though high school or community college because they will get me in at the plant!". Worst yet they somehow they can manage to have this cognitive dissonance thing going on where they think that even know they make 3x as much in their organized labor job that they are somehow looking out for the man on the street and want to remind everyone how many other jobs each auto job supports (usually by spouting whatever made up number the union tells them (and the number inexplicably triples every year). Good riddance the faster they clods drag the big three down and the other auto makers take over (incidentally selling cars that are better for the environment) the better the world will be.
I find it humorous that aficionados of apple laptops think 5 pounds is "light"! A thinkpad X60 with the same processor only weighs 3 something pounds,
there is the toughbook Y/W-series, fujitsu, sony most of them have better battery life too (almost 6 hours with the standard battery on an X60) (core solo on the Y series touchbooks can run for more than 11 hours )
Its still not as fast as the Atlon64 the GP pointed out
The mini also has a laptop hard drive and a horrible graphics chipset which uses system memory its a bad deal for its asking price.
>Most college kids don't have the money to spend on something anyway so it doesn't affect the business model much now, but if they keep this attitude as they grow older and replace the people willing to pay, then there will be a problem.
Yes but most college kids have a lot of free time to hunt for the music they want on P2P networks and torrents they have time to deal with the spyware/malware, bad files poor quality rips etc as they get older have children get jobs they have less time for this, and are for more likely to choose convenience over price as they do with many other things...
Why does itunes work ? Why do people pay $3 for a cup of coffee from starbucks they are one and the same.
Sadly he inst even as smart as wiggum...
Wiggum: Once a man is in your house anything you do to him is nice and legal...
Homer: Hey flanders come here
Wiggum: Ahh you cant invite him
Probably not word for word I haven't seen that episode in a while. "Cape fear"
Router: here
laptop: Hey can I come in?
Router: sure here is a name tag welcome in...
>Apple literally wrote the book on UI and to claim otherwise is simply >ignorant. The Apple Human Interface Guidelines have been the de facto standard >for years.
Those guidelines are two decades old, designed for an era when personal computers were cooperatively multitasking or in the case of apple when only one application could be run at at time. All updates to these have had a distinctively tacked on feel e.g. multi-switcher and the like.
Apple trails microsoft, gnome and kde in UI design and has for a long time, a single monolithic toolbar does not make sense when you can have many windows open at a time its counter intutative and silly.
The taskbar is far superior for managing multiple running applications versus say the multi-switcher of the OS9 days, and while the dock was surely an improvement with OS X and it is a lot more elegant than the taskbar its fundamentally flawed because it mixes metaphors, running application instances with assorted other crap.
And oh god the desktop metaphor! let it die already! again its from the era when you could really only use one application at a time... How often do you actually see the desktop when your using a modern computer and operating system ? (Well if your not an apple user) The start menu is again a better idea let the user navigate the file system hierarchy (or sadly a part of it anyway) with a single button click and mouse motions no matter if they have an application consuming almost all the screen or not.
Expose that was an example of a good innovation from apple recently but if you take off the dogmatic apple does everthing UI right glasses you will see there are not many! Don't get me wrong I think windows UI sucks bad (system notification area, the have to click through eighty menus to configure anything) but I do think apples is worse, it might be familiar but that does not make it better.
Windows vista and OS X are just more of the same tired old WIMP crap we have seen for 20+ years, don't keep touting them as innovative. You spend to much time doing chores that the os should do for you.
Exactly this is why I never worry about the DRM nonsense either its the same clowns behind ACPI...
>The fact remains that the GPL'd code should never have been in the BSD repository without >permission, and when called on it the BSD folks
When the fact that the code had been committed was brought to light it was removed. And our "panties are in a knot" because of the way this was handled: without any tact at all. Do me a favor next time your in public and I don't know say: you can't find your pen and there is someone with a pen that looks remarkably like yours. Instead of I dont know politely asking "hey is that my pen" SCREAM AS LOUD AS YOU CAN ABOUT THAT PERSON BEING A THIEF, what kind of reaction do you think that would provoke ? In the real world you would likely get punched in the face or fitted for a straight jacket. But said behavior is perfectly acceptable when your behind a keyboard?
>Michael offered a means to resolve the situation in a manner that would benefit the BSD project.
I like your drugs can I have some? I read absolutely no sincerity into anyones motivations in that camp, I get the distinct impression that they were waiting, hoping marcus would make a mistake so they could torpedo the driver and behold.
>And *none* of the discussion thus far explains how the BSD people thought they could implement >the driver using the GPL'd code as a jumping-off point without turning it into a derivative work.
Come on your definition of derivation is so broad now it would make the linux kernel subject to the APSL because some developers of drivers there looked at darwin. Marcus intention was never to copy any of the GPL code, he was trying to write a driver for hardware with no specs (please dont post the link to that stupid wiki again there is not enough information there to write a driver) the only information about the hardware was a driver subject to the GPL.
Bullshit, you would not have, your project is terrified of lawyers thats was the whole reason for the Chinese wall. But you decided to lynch another open source developer in public because you could get away with it.
>This is not a matter of GPL vs. BSD. It is a simple matter of breach of copyright. Everything else is bullshit.
And how would have this been handled if it had been IBM ?
>They _are_. Actually, these seem to be the _only_ facts that are relevant to the discussion in the first place.
/ pci/Attic/if_bcw_pci.c
It hasn't been relevant for more than two days now
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev
>It's interresting that people seem to think _I_ have to apologize, as the OpenBSD developers
You don't owe an apology to the OpenBSD developers you owe an apology to *ONE* OpenBSD developer Marcus Glocker. You called him a thief in public smeared his name without doing him the courtesy of contacting him about the problem. I hope if you ever make a mistake in public the aggrieved party is a lot more understanding.
It's a laptop not a purse.
Sigh the driver does work in OpenBSD but not well. Damien who works on the IPW driver in OpenBSD but which IIRC is also used by Net, Free and OpenSolaris! has been trying to get documentation so he can write a proper OPEN SOURCE driver
i.e.
From: http://damien.bergamini.free.fr/ipw/
"I've started to work on a driver for Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG network adapters, as found in recent Centrino(TM) laptops. Needless to say, this driver won't require any binary-only user-space daemon to operate, contrary to the Linux driver provided by Intel®. Such daemons that must execute as root and have complete access to the hardware are unacceptable for this project."
They are also asking people who use ANY OPEN SOURCE OPERATING SYSTEM to complain so perhaps intel will change their policy regarding firmware licensing, right now a few of the sell out commercial linux distros can distribute the firmware because they have signed restricitve agreements, however the terms are completly unacceptable to many.
To commemorate 10 years of OpenBSD the project is also selling an Audio CD with all the release songs from 3.0 through 4.0, also has some cool extras including a bonus track and a 11cm silver-on-clear die-cut wireframe Puffy sticker, for $15. OpenBSD Audio CD