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Michigan Man Charged for Using Free WiFi

Nichole writes "Sam Peterson II was charged with unauthorized use of computer access for using a coffee shop's free WiFi. He is facing a 5 year felony charge and a $10,000 fine but apparently got off lucky and received only a $400 fine and 40 hours of community service because he was a first time offender. 'it seems few in the village of Sparta, Mich., were aware that using an unsecured Wi-Fi connection without the owner's permission--a practice known as piggybacking--was a felony. Each day around lunch time, Sam Peterson would drive to the Union Street Cafe, park his car and--without actually entering the coffee shop--check his e-mail and surf the Net. His ritual raised the suspicions of Police Chief Andrew Milanowski, who approached him and asked what he was doing. Peterson, probably not realizing that his actions constituted a crime, freely admitted what he was doing ... [the officer] didn't immediately cite or arrest Peterson, mostly because he wasn't certain a crime had been committed.'"

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  1. Here We Go by pete-classic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let the "This is SPARTA!" jokes begin.

    -Peter

    1. Re:Here We Go by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Lay down your laptop and WiFi card."
      "Come and get them!"

    2. Re:Here We Go by protolith · · Score: 1

      You Want out Wi-Fi Enabled Lap Tops ? Molon labe (Come and Take Them) !

    3. Re:Here We Go by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tonight we surf in Hell!

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    4. Re:Here We Go by Elusive_Cure · · Score: 1

      I Live in the original SPARTA you insensible clod!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    5. Re:Here We Go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at the drive-in was better.

      obscure?

    6. Re:Here We Go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live there. O.-. Never thought i'd see the name on the intarweb or anything. I've gone to that cafe once or twice. Never used their network though. Need a laptop, bah.

    7. Re:Here We Go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cop was suspicious because he was surfing outdoors. When the cop came up to question him, the man said, "then I will surf in the shade"

    8. Re:Here We Go by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 4, Funny
      I just came in here for the Sparta jokes, and so far have been really disappointed. So here goes.

      "Our WiFi access will blot out the Sun!"
      "So we will surf in the shade!"

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    9. Re:Here We Go by Eudial · · Score: 1

      Forgot the oblig.

      "Our lawsuits will blot out the sun!" -- "Then we will surf in the shade."

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    10. Re:Here We Go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tonight we surf in Jail! There, fixed.
    11. Re:Here We Go by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make any sense. Is the WiFi attacking the web surfers?

    12. Re:Here We Go by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

      When I loaded this page, it did not format properly, and there was a Sun advertisement blotting out your comment.

      Big Irony, huh?

    13. Re:Here We Go by h2g2bob · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sorry, but Big Iron-y is IBM...

    14. Re:Here We Go by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't try to understand strained humor written by somebody with just 5 hours of sleep. It will just hurt your brain.

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    15. Re:Here We Go by Shai-kun · · Score: 1

      Man, that gave me an awesome mental image of surfer dudes on fire...

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    16. Re:Here We Go by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 1

      Did you think I did not mean to make a reference to mainframes?

  2. So using this logic.... by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...people who can sit outside a baseball stadium or concert from some vantage point and watch the game/performance for free are also commiting a felony.

    1. Re:So using this logic.... by joebok · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, not at all - no computers are involved in analog baseball. However, if you were watching somebody play Head to HEad Madden '07 on their PSP on the bus, then they could cart your ass off to jail.

    2. Re:So using this logic.... by raydobbs · · Score: 1

      According to the Baseball franchise, this puts you NEXT on the wall for execution

    3. Re:So using this logic.... by Goaway · · Score: 0, Troll

      No, "this logic" is the letter of the law, which says that what happened here was illegal, and what you suggest isn't.

      You're welcome.

    4. Re:So using this logic.... by paeanblack · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...people who can sit outside a baseball stadium or concert from some vantage point and watch the game/performance for free are also commiting a felony.

      That analogy holds right up to the point you send your first packet to their network. After that, you are no longer a passive spectator...you are playing in a completely different ballgame, with completely different rules.

      When you ask yourself "am I allowed to use this network?", "I don't know" does not equal "yes". The onus is upon you to verify that you are not trespassing before proceeding. In this particular case, it doesn't initially appear that any malice was involved. $400+40hrs sounds a little steep, but not in the realm of the unreasonable.

    5. Re:So using this logic.... by Mockylock · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's also like a company dropping money on the ground in front of their store and arresting anyone who picks it up.

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    6. Re:So using this logic.... by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...people who can sit outside a baseball stadium or concert from some vantage point and watch the game/performance for free are also commiting a felony.

      No. In your example, there's no computer involved.

      Really, there are two contradictory laws at stake, here.

      1) According to the FCC, it's perfectly legal to receive ANY BROADCAST TRANSMISSION. I can set up a radio receiver and pick up whatever happens to be in the air. This includes wifi broadcasts, which are really nothing more than a cordless phone combined with a MODEM.

      2) But, it's also illegal in most areas to "access computers or computer networks without permission". They stand in contradiction to each other. The part that's odd here is that the WIFI spot announces itself as unencrypted, sort of like a welcome sign. How did this guy not have permission to access the network?

      I personally think that wireless networks, even those that are being broadcast in unlicensed spectrums (like wifi) should be illegal to access if the "digital doorknob" is locked. If you have to enter in a password or decryption key, even a weak one like WEP, it's illegal to access. But, if it's open/unencrypted, then you should be free to act with impunity.

      This is how we interpret things more physically. AFAIK here in California, if you approach my house and the front door is closed such that you have to turn the doorknob to enter it, it's illegal to enter without a specific invitation. (EG: "Come on in" sign, me hollering for you to, whatever) But if the door is open, you can enter with impunity - having the door open can be considered an invitation to enter.

      (IANAL, etc)

      So why would wireless networks be any different? Don't want people accessing your network? Put up a password/encryption key. Otherwise, your door is open, and people can (and probably will) enter.

      PS: More than once, I've trolled middle-class neighborhoods for a hotspot in a pinch. It seems that the best neighborhoods are the straight-up middle class ones - lower classes don't tend to have high-speed connections, upper classes tend to hire tech weenies to set up their networks, and they usually secure them. But the guys in the middle buy their Linksys routers at Best Buy, take them home, plug them in, they work, and they stop there.

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    7. Re:So using this logic.... by MrNaz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh well that makes the totally unreasonable nature of what happened OK then. I'm glad that I'll only ever be arrested for things that are illegal so as long as I'm not a terrorist criminal pirate general bad guy I'll be fine. I'm also glad I can trust the government to keep the letter of the law such that it only makes bad stuff illegal.

      I like it here in your little fantasy world. I'd stay, except I'm not a total bloody retard.

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    8. Re:So using this logic.... by fumblebruschi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In fact the Chicago Cubs sued their neighbors for precisely that reason. There are buildings near Wrigley Field where you can sit on the roof and see the field (I believe Wrigley is the only ballpark where that's possible) and the Chicago Tribune, which owns the Cubs, has tried for years to get the city to force their neighbors to take down the seats on their roofs. No success yet.

    9. Re:So using this logic.... by Nezer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1) According to the FCC, it's perfectly legal to receive ANY BROADCAST TRANSMISSION. I can set up a radio receiver and pick up whatever happens to be in the air. This includes wifi broadcasts, which are really nothing more than a cordless phone combined with a MODEM.


      While it might be legal to receive any broadcast transmission, it would be difficult to check email and surf the web without transmitting something.

      This application of the law is, of course, ridiculous. The EFF or someone should really step-in and do something.

      Personally, I would have fought tooth and nail over this law had it been me. I *might* could be persuaded into agreeing that it is wrong (morally though not legally) to sit outside someones house and mooch their unsecured wifi but this is a public business that, presumably, advertises (or at least provides) this service to the public in order to increase business.
    10. Re:So using this logic.... by susano_otter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When you ask yourself "am I allowed to use this network?", "I don't know" does not equal "yes". The onus is upon you to verify that you are not trespassing before proceeding.

      What about when my very first act is to ask the network administrator if I'm allowed to use his network, and he says "yes"? Is it okay then? What if my NIC asks his router if I'm allowed to use his network, and his router says "yes"? Is it okay then?
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    11. Re:So using this logic.... by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't a better analogy be the guy who use my water spicket to wash his car?

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    12. Re:So using this logic.... by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

      I can set up a radio receiver and pick up whatever happens to be in the air

      Not according to , where it says:

      "In the United States, the general guidelines to follow when using a radio scanner are that it is illegal to: listen in on cellular and cordless phone calls".

      That generally used to be the case with some limits ( such as profiting from intercepted communications ) but the ECPA of 1986, backed by the cell phone industry, made it illegal to intercept communications intended to be private and also made it illegal to sell equipment capable of picking up certain frequencies.

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    13. Re:So using this logic.... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I personally think that wireless networks, even those that are being broadcast in unlicensed spectrums (like wifi) should be illegal to access if the "digital doorknob" is locked. If you have to enter in a password or decryption key, even a weak one like WEP, it's illegal to access. But, if it's open/unencrypted, then you should be free to act with impunity.

      I'd say that a network that is unsecured and broadcasting its SSID is essentially an invitation to join that network. An unsecured network that is not broadcasting an SSID is like a house with the door closed but not locked -- you don't have permission to enter, even though it is still trivial to do so. A secured network, even if the security is weak, is like a locked door. It might only take a single kick to knock it in, but that's still B&E.

      The problem though is that the default setting of wireless routers is unsecured and SSID broadcast enabled, and of course like with everything few people ever change the defaults. It makes it easy for anyone to set up a network -- turn on the router, click "Find network" on the PC, done -- but the result is we have tons of unsecured, open networks whose owners may not want to be open but don't know how to say that in wireless protocol terms.

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    14. Re:So using this logic.... by Sparr0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I bear that onus by asking the router "Can I use your network?", to which it replies "Sure, here's your IP, and you can use this IP as a Gateway". That doesnt sound like "I don't know" to me, it sounds more like "Yes".

      I know we all love analogies around here, and most of them are pretty off the wall, so let me see if I can come up with a more direct correlation to all the parts of the "crime" here.

      Your front yard has a water fountain sitting next to the sidewalk. You pay for the water. The fountain only works by use of a key. But you have a machine sitting next to the fountain that produces a key for anyone who presses a button labelled "Press here to request access to water fountain". Am I committing a crime by pressing the button and then drinking the water?

    15. Re:So using this logic.... by iamacat · · Score: 1

      We are entering a new legal ground here then. Instead of being guided by fences and "private property" signs we have to walk around with GPS receivers to make sure we are not stepping on someone's private land. In my area, there is Free municipal WiFi. So why should I automatically avoid unencrypted access points when it's trivial to secure ones someone wants to keep private?

    16. Re:So using this logic.... by future+assassin · · Score: 1

      Actually almost. Back in the late 80's in Kamloops BC the city didn't like the idea of people who lived near the airport watching the airshow from their roof tops for free. So they had a big crack down on those people and I believe (can't remember that far back) there was a fine for this also.

      Also the city cracked down on people watching the air show from the surrounding mountains. Kamloops is located in a valley where to rivers meet with some pretty high mountains around the city. The airport is at the end of the city and clearly visible from south and north sides of the mountains/valley. So the city also cracked down on any people going up the mountains to watch the show. They would black off access to the roads leading to the lookout spots.

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    17. Re:So using this logic.... by gorfie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But where were the no tresspassing signs? Taking this analogy one step further, can someone get in trouble for crossing through a private (yet clearly unsecured) field if it isn't marked as "private" / "no tresspassing"? It should be up to the owners to secure their property or at least mark it such that others know it is restricted/private.

    18. Re:So using this logic.... by thousandinone · · Score: 1

      Aren't most network authentications permission based? And don't a number of wireless cards automatically connect if they find only one wireless network and it is not secured? If they don't want anonymous access, don't want anonymous access. If anonymous access is allowed, then anyone accessing it DOES have permission as far as the network is concerned. It's not a matter of leaving your doors open and still expecting people not to enter your home. Authentication is permission based. It's the equivalent of giving someone a key to your house, never telling them they don't want you in there, and then suddenly getting pissed when they actually use that key.

    19. Re:So using this logic.... by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Apperently you are.

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    20. Re:So using this logic.... by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't a better analogy be the guy who use my water spicket to wash his car?


      Sure, if you have a few people standing on your corner shouting "free car wash" to everyone who drives by.

    21. Re:So using this logic.... by Sciros · · Score: 1

      Hah! If $400+40 hours sounds a little steep, considering that he was facing 5 YEARS and a $10,000 fine. He got off 'easy' as a first-time offender.

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    22. Re:So using this logic.... by ProfanityHead · · Score: 1

      Worst logic ever.

    23. Re:So using this logic.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "I'm glad that I'll only ever be arrested for things that are illegal so as long as I'm not a terrorist criminal pirate general bad guy I'll be fine. I'm also glad I can trust the government to keep the letter of the law such that it only makes bad stuff illegal."

      Hear hear!!

      Man..this sucks...neither he nor the operator of the coffee shop knew they were committing a crime, it sounds like the owner of the open wifi didn't care to press any charges, and YET, this guy while getting off 'easy' is now a convicted FELON!! So much for the rest of his life as far as getting jobs, owning a firearm, or possibly even voting.

      On another note....I wonder what other states have laws like this??

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    24. Re:So using this logic.... by flyingfsck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly, 'DHCP == Asking for and receiving Permission' in my book and I think that when you go and lay out the protocol to a judge he would concur.

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    25. Re:So using this logic.... by VWJedi · · Score: 1

      the Chicago Tribune, which owns the Cubs, has tried for years to get the city to force their neighbors to take down the seats on their roofs. No success yet.

      I don't think the Cubs (or the Tribune) is arguing that people should not watch Cubs games which are in plain view from their own property (or if they are, that is a foolish argument). What they are trying to stop is the property owners from charging to watch the Cubs game from their roof. In a MAFIAA-style argument, these people are "stealing the Tribune's Intellectual Property and reselling it". They would that the people paying to sit on the roof might be lost ticket sales for the Cubs (assuming the game is not sold out).

      Even if this argument holds water, you've got a couple big problems enforcing it:
      1. I doubt there is any paper trail to show that money changed hands (all cash, no receipts), so it's likely that the only proof would be testimony from the seller and the buyer.
      2. The property owner can charge $50 / person "cover charge" for their "party" which just happens to be adjacent to the roof where there happen to be some seats set up...
    26. Re:So using this logic.... by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      Your NIC didn't ask the router for permission. It asked it for a number.

      Opening an unlocked door is still trespassing.

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    27. Re:So using this logic.... by bluekanoodle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, a better analogy would if you hooked up your hose to the water spigot, and left it spraying out into the middle of the street. In this case anyone could come by and use the water that you are "broadcasting" into the street to wash their car.

    28. Re:So using this logic.... by szark · · Score: 1, Informative

      Not exactly. The team's owners had no problems with people watching from the rooftops. But the rooftop owners started charging admission for people to gain access to the rooftop seats. That's what they had a problem with. I believe they currently have a profit-sharing agreement, where the rooftop owners have to pay a portion of their ticket sales to the ballpark/team.

    29. Re:So using this logic.... by jc42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That analogy holds right up to the point you send your first packet to their network. After that, you are no longer a passive spectator ... When you ask yourself "am I allowed to use this network?", "I don't know" does not equal "yes".

      Actually, if our legal system were rational, there would be a trivial answer: As soon as that packet is either accepted (and forwarded) or rejected (and bounced) by the AP, you'd know. If the packet was accepted, then the AP has in fact allowed you to use it. And it didn't do this by accident. It was explicitly programmed to behave that way. Or, more likely, the software has config setting saying whether to accept or reject packets from unregistered devices, and the AP's owner has set this to "accept". You should be able to tell the court "My packets were accepted and delivered; it's clear that I was in fact allowed to use the AP."

      The tired old road analogy might help: If you're driving along, pass through an intersection, and continue on the road on the other side, how do you know if it's legal for you to drive there? Pretty much everywhere in the world, the same rule applies: If there's some sort of "no entry" or "private road" sign, then you probably shouldn't drive there. If there's no such sign restricting access, then you are allowed to drive there. Any court would interpret the lack of an explicit sign to mean that the public is permitted to use the road. The fact that someone (maybe the town, maybe a private owner) owns the road is irrelevant; you won't be arrested for driving on a road without signs that tell you the rules. We all understand that, without this rule, our road system would be unusable.

      But someone else pointed out the magic word that makes this case an exception: "computer". We seem to be in a phase where, the instant a computer gets involved, all social and legal precedent goes out the window, and everything must be relearned from scratch. Any attempt to explain the precedent gets a "But that's different" reply, with no coherent explanation of what the difference is or why it matters. The mere presence of a computer invalidates everything you ever knew, and you have to fight all the old fights all over again.

      But in a few centuries, it'll probably settle down, and computers (like roads, cars, etc.) will just be tools that are treated like all other tools.

      We can hope that freedom of speech, communication, expression, whatever survive the relearning process ...

      (I do wonder what the court would say if the defendant here were to file an "entrapment" suit against the store owner. After all, there are a lot of open-access APs around. How is one to know while traveling whether any given AP is legally usable? This decision potentially makes it rather risky to just be a traveler in Michigan, especially now that cars are starting to come with onboard networks and comm equipment. It's just a matter of time until someone is arrested while driving along I-94 because their car used a local AP to talk to the factory or download a map. ;-)

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    30. Re:So using this logic.... by dillon_rinker · · Score: 1

      To extend your analogy...

      There's a well-trodden path through the field.

      Fences are available for free.

      The neighbor's field is fenced off.

      The property owner has told many other people that they can walk across the field for free.

      It is common for people to let others walk across their property.

      The property owner sees you walking across her field every day for a year but never tells you "HEY! GET OFF MY LAND!"

      You're not walking, you're driving, and the car manufacturer provides a navigation system that says it's OK to drive across this field. (Buy a new laptop from Dell. It will automatically connect to any unsecured wireless network in range.)

    31. Re:So using this logic.... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "When you ask yourself "am I allowed to use this network?", "I don't know" does not equal "yes". The onus is upon you to verify that you are not trespassing before proceeding."

      I dunno...I think the onus should be on the owner of the open wifi, since it is broadcasting its signal to anyone with a laptop to receive it!.

      I've seen lots of signs on private property "Posted, No Tresspassing", and "Posted, No Hunting or Fishing". I should think the same thing would be more applicable to open wifi's.

      Besides, hooking up to an open wifi, hurts no one. It isn't like anyone out there with an ISP connection is paying per bit transmitted...you pay a flat fee for your 'unlimited' usage. Where is the loss?

      I supposed for a case of someone running a huge P2P app. it might affect the wifi owners bandwidth to his customers, in which case I'd say you could go after the offending party with more of a denial of service charge, but, this guy in the story plainly wasn't affecting anything by just checking email and light websurfing.

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    32. Re:So using this logic.... by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      I asked for an IP. What I got was an IP, *PLUS* the router volunteered to give me a gateway and dns server to use to access the internet. That sounds like permission to me.

    33. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When there are so many options for free WiFi (many cities offer free WiFi, if not by the city, by a non-profit co-op, not to mention many shopping malls, airports, etc.), at this time a "I don't know" has to equal a "yes". Free WiFi is just too common.

      If I went in to use a shop's restroom, and it was unlocked and visible to the public, I would assume it would be OK to use and I wouldn't be arrested for trespassing. That's just how the retail world works right now, at least where I am from.

    34. Re:So using this logic.... by furball · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What if my NIC asks his router if I'm allowed to use his network, and his router says "yes"? Is it okay then?


      This is true if and only if his router speaks for him. Legally, since you can't transfer power of attorney to an inanimate object, this is legally dubious. It makes perfect sense that his router speaks for him if you are not a lawyer, not trained as one, and have basically no knowledge of the law.
    35. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "'DHCP == Asking for and receiving Permission' in my book and I think that when you go and lay out the protocol to a judge he would concur."

      That's because you're a moron, and no a judge wouldn't, and in fact, when it's happened, hasn't.

      Stop being stupid.

    36. Re:So using this logic.... by Roxton · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because a hardware handshake is the same thing as a contractual meeting of minds between hardware owners. You know, bad sophistry is bad enough. Convenient bad sophistry is the worst possible kind.

    37. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I asked for an IP. What I got was an IP, *PLUS* the router volunteered to give me a gateway and dns server to use to access the internet. That sounds like permission to me.

      I turned a doorknob. What I got was a turned doorknob, *PLUS* the door volunteered to give me an entry to use to access the house. That sounds like permission to me.

    38. Re:So using this logic.... by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      I really hate these pathetic attempts at poor logic / analogy. Anyone with half a brain should be capable of realising machines going through a form of handshaking protocol is not the same as the owners of said machines exchanging greetings.

      To use the tired old house analogy (it's tired because people continue to be incapable of understanding the bloody obvious and so it keeps coming up), if someone's front door is unlocked, the act of the handle turning when I try it and the door subsequently opening does not represent me being given permission to trespass.

      If your very first act was indeed to go into the coffeeshop and ask the owner if you were allowed, then of course it would be alright. Logging on to the network directly is a different thing.

      The basic concept that owners of anything absolve other parties of all guilt if security measures are not taken is the simplest form of denying personal responsibility and accountability. It's bullshit, it's illogical, it's pathetic.

    39. Re:So using this logic.... by bahwi · · Score: 1

      Kind of like if my car asks if it can run through the garage door of your garage? The wall does not say "no" and in fact the driveway provides a clear path. Computers do as they are supposed to, it is up to the human element to make sure. Is this trespassing? If the car turns onto it and nothing stops it then a yes has been receives, and the driveway provides a clear path so clearly a "yes" has been given.

    40. Re:So using this logic.... by stedo · · Score: 1

      Well, one difference here is that the person sitting outside a baseball stadium isn't detracting anything from those who paid to get in, whereas the guy on the wifi outside the coffee shop is using up some proportion of the coffee shop's bandwidth, and reducing the bandwidth available to the coffee shop's paying customers.

    41. Re:So using this logic.... by shark72 · · Score: 1

      Why is it that people think that the slippery slope is some sort of sound legal reasoning? It's illegal to smoke marijuana, so by this logic, it's illegal to smoke oregano. It might be considered fair use to make one copy of my CD for a friend, so by this logic, it would be fair use to put it on a filesharing network for 10,000 of my closest friends. I am allowed to physically discipline my child in some states; by this logic, I am allowed to physically discipline my spouse.

      Using somebody's Wi-Fi without their permission is illegal in some places. This is because the law says so. It has nothing to do with anything else.

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    42. Re:So using this logic.... by hahiss · · Score: 1

      Or, better yet: if you have a remote that happens to open someone else's garage door, that doesn't constitute permission to enter . . . .

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    43. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

    44. Re:So using this logic.... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

      Actually, a wireless base station broadcasts its SSID information saying "Wireless network, get your wireless network here".

      Otherwise the guy would not have known it was there.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi#Technical_infor mation

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    45. Re:So using this logic.... by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      And not a crime until you are asked to leave (and then don't) or told to not come back (and you do). At least here in Florida.

      Then again, we have the castle doctrine law, so while it may not be against the law, it probably isn't so good for leaving property without some new holes added by the property owner...

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    46. Re:So using this logic.... by spamking · · Score: 1

      Just imagine how screwed this guy would've been if he was an illegal immigrant and his name showed up on the "No Work" database.

    47. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Funny thing is you would assume that private property is subject to no trespassing, but in my town this is not so. I live in town with a small, think maybe 400 square feet, yard. The lots are all packed together with access from the front and back. In my front is my house with a pass on the right side. In the back is a garage with a path on the left side. Separating my yard from my neighbors' are fences and both paths end at gates to my yard.

      One day a neighbor kid simply cut through my yard and left the gates open allow my dog to escape. The police told me they could do nothing about trespassing unless I had signs posted saying "no trespassing". This borders on ridiculous to me. The gates were closed and the property was obviously private. Still, now I have signs and simple combo locks on both gates.

      Back to the article, being normally jailed up to 5 years and a $10000 fine (even though this guy got less) for publicly accessing a virtually public access point is ridiculous. The difference here is, pass the threshold, legal, don't, illegal. To me this is more of a technicality. This law is obviously meant to protect home users who do not know how to secure their network from bandwidth thieves. This did not happen here. This guy probably even visits this cafe on occasion, even if he doesn't go in much. And his usage does not sound abusive. All in all, it sounds like they're trying to make all grey areas black and white ones.

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    48. Re:So using this logic.... by Kijori · · Score: 1

      But where were the no tresspassing signs? Taking this analogy one step further, can someone get in trouble for crossing through a private (yet clearly unsecured) field if it isn't marked as "private" / "no tresspassing"? It should be up to the owners to secure their property or at least mark it such that others know it is restricted/private. With a physical trespassing case, the trespassing must be brought to the attention of the trespasser before any legal action can be taken against them. So no, they can't get in trouble.
    49. Re:So using this logic.... by Himring · · Score: 1

      1) According to the FCC, it's perfectly legal to receive ANY BROADCAST TRANSMISSION. I can set up a radio receiver and pick up whatever happens to be in the air. This includes wifi broadcasts, which are really nothing more than a cordless phone combined with a MODEM.

      You need to check /. more often. The RIAA has told us that listening to the radio is now illegal....

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    50. Re:So using this logic.... by raehl · · Score: 1

      What if my NIC asks his router if I'm allowed to use his network, and his router says "yes"? Is it okay then?

      What if you turn the doorknob on someone's front door and it opens - are you allowed to enter the house then?

      Once entering the house, are you allowed to help yourself to anything in the fridge? Watch TV? Order pay-per-view movies?

    51. Re:So using this logic.... by necro81 · · Score: 1

      Another analogy:

      You have a bathroom in your house. I walk down the street and want to use that bathroom. I walk up to the front door and, since the door isn't locked, waltz on in and do my business. I asked the door if it was OK to come inside (by handshaking, you could say) and, because it didn't bar me access, assumed it was ok. I mean, come on, I can't be held responsible if the owner of the house doesn't know how to lock the door. However, that unlocked door excuse doesn't prevent me from being charged with trespassing, B&E, etc.

    52. Re:So using this logic.... by Goaway · · Score: 1

      "My"? You put all that effort into making this nice strawman, and you're giving it to me? Thanks!

    53. Re:So using this logic.... by blueskies · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Then how do i know if i'm allowed to connect to a person's webserver? Does their webserver legally speak for them? Or is it because the webserver is setup to be publically accessible following understood standards? Why can't you connect to a router wifi access point when it is configured to give public access?

    54. Re:So using this logic.... by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 0, Troll

      What kind of bizarre background did you have growing up, that machines can give or refuse permission in the human and / or legal sense?

      Are you not capable of thinking for yourself? Perhaps don't have the social skills to instinctively understand there's difference?

      I'm guessing (it's not clear whether you're any good at logic) you've heard of garbage-in, garbage-out, that computers can't actually think?

      The router didn't volunteer anything. It did exactly what the manufacturer's programmers told it to do. And it doesn't say much for this guy that he didn't have the common decency to buy a coffee from this place as a gesture of appreciation, something most people could figure out for themselves as being the thing to do. Maybe he lacked a few skills too.

    55. Re:So using this logic.... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      So you think you could just go sit down in a coffee shop and relax, read the paper, without ordering anything?

    56. Re:So using this logic.... by sheepofblue · · Score: 1

      So if his network contacts your computer it is also a crime?

    57. Re:So using this logic.... by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      While it might be legal to receive any broadcast transmission, it would be difficult to check email and surf the web without transmitting something.

      True, but since Wi-Fi occurs in the unlicensed portion of the spectrum no one has any legal basis to complain about your transmissions either, provided they stay within the spectrum protocols (e.g. limited broadcast power). The debate is over a completely different set of (bad) laws regarding the use of computer networks in general. It has nothing to do with Wi-Fi in particular. The principles would be essentially the same if free wired Internet access was commonplace instead.

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    58. Re:So using this logic.... by brian0918 · · Score: 1

      Idiotic... The "human element made sure" when he configured the network to freely accept any incoming connections within range.

    59. Re:So using this logic.... by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

      I will agree that there is crime if they have posted somewhere "Free WiFi for CUSTOMERS ONLY" if they don't, then they have made no attempt to warn him of wrong doing. My ananology would be hiking in a state park and wondering on to private property, if the owner does not have NO Tresspassing signs or fences then Yes I have tresspassed but owner has no expectation of privacy.

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    60. Re:So using this logic.... by brian0918 · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between shutting your doors but not locking them, and putting huge signs outside your house saying "ANYONE CAN ENTER FREELY AND TAKE WHAT THEY WANT"

    61. Re:So using this logic.... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      "Once entering the house, are you allowed to help yourself to anything in the fridge? Watch TV? Order pay-per-view movies?"

      The article said nothing about the man helping himself to anything on the coffee shops computers. Per the article, he was passing through their router to get at things he had a legal right to have access to. "What if you turn the doorknob on someone's front door and it opens - are you allowed to enter the house then?"

      You might want to use the house as the point of entry, but what about the front yard? If someone cuts across your front yard to get to another house, have they committed a crime? I actually suspect that you might have a hard time getting someone arrested if they walk up to your front door, knock, open it, yell hello, and then walk in. I would say that this would be even harder to get prosecuted if it was a business.

      Are there any lawyers around that can let us know if there has ever been a case where someone was convicted of tresspass for entering an unlocked business while they were open for business, without first being requested to leave?

    62. Re:So using this logic.... by Mattintosh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Let's take your "house" analogy a bit further.

      First, we identify the players in this game.

      You = You.
      Network = House.
      Router = Door.

      Now, what we have is a House, protected by a Door with a button and a sign. The sign says, "Push the button and I'll open the door if you meet my criteria." The button causes the Door to be opened if you meet the criteria set forth by the owner of the House and the Door.

      You walk up to the House, read the sign and push the button. The Door opens to allow you into the House.

      Is it trespassing? No. The button is a machine tasked with carrying out the owner's directions. It's interesting to note that replacing a button with a motion sensor gives you the very same automatic doors that most retail stores have. It is not trespassing.

      So change the nouns around. Is it trespassing if a router gives you access to a network according to the owner's directions? Answer: No it is not.

    63. Re:So using this logic.... by mini+me · · Score: 1

      While it might be legal to receive any broadcast transmission, it would be difficult to check email and surf the web without transmitting something.

      But since WiFi operates on a public spectrum, I am free to send out any old data I want on those frequencies. If the third-party receiver decides to pick up my transmission and execute an action based on that information why am I to blame?
    64. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you also argue that if you put a sign that says "this this - free" on some object in your lawn that you can charge a person with theft for taking it because the sign doesn't have power of attorney?

    65. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know we all love analogies around here

      Me too, so... I live at an apartment complex with 400 houses in range and I have access to about 5 private, unprotected networks, of which I have actually used quite a few times when we lacked internet. How am I meant to find the owners of these networks? Go around knocking on everyones door until I find someone? The funny thing is, if I could find these owners, I'd be more than happy to pay a few dollars for access to their network for a week or 2 if they were happy for me to use it.

    66. Re:So using this logic.... by Mattintosh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure that all routers purchased new from the store come with an instruction manual (dead-tree or electronic) and a setup wizard that will guide you through that process manually or automatically.

      Dumb is not a valid excuse anymore. Not on this topic, and not for the last 4 or 5 years.

    67. Re:So using this logic.... by nickyj · · Score: 1

      Yes you can, until you are asked to leave.

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    68. Re:So using this logic.... by LuxMaker · · Score: 1

      Step 1.) Purchase satellite internet.

      Step 2.) Purchase van.

      Step 3.) Broadcast open wifi connection from van.

      Step 4.) Triangulate and identify leechers.

      Step 5.) Report leechers to police.

      Step 6.) Offer a settlement to drop the charges. Profit!

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    69. Re:So using this logic.... by hotdiggitydawg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I do wonder what the court would say if the defendant here were to file an "entrapment" suit against the store owner. After all, there are a lot of open-access APs around. How is one to know while traveling whether any given AP is legally usable? This decision potentially makes it rather risky to just be a traveler in Michigan, especially now that cars are starting to come with onboard networks and comm equipment. It's just a matter of time until someone is arrested while driving along I-94 because their car used a local AP to talk to the factory or download a map. ;-) I remember talk of some Windows O/Ses (possibly others too, not singling out Microsoft here) automatically connecting to the strongest available WiFi - add various network-sensing apps into the mix (EG. Windows Update, spyware, whatever) that auto-transfer whenever a connection is available and Joe Sixpack could potentially be committing a felony without even knowing he is doing it. Say the fella happened to stop within range of the WiFi, opened his laptop and started working on a Spreadsheet or some other local app. He has no idea what his NIC or his O/S is doing.

      If "I don't know how to configure my network/AP to prevent unauthorised access" is a valid argument for the prosecution, then surely "I don't know how to configure my laptop to prevent unaithorised access" is also just as valid as an argument for the defendant.
    70. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i like the water fountain analogy. it is quite good.

      even so, it falls short.

      a law could be broken - it is called trespassing.

      if one doesn't have a legal right to go onto the property to access the fountain, they are trespassing.

      a felony for this is absurd, though. maybe for a second offense after being caught and/or convicted, but not a first offense.

    71. Re:So using this logic.... by robbiethefett · · Score: 1

      you are not quite correct. see, this is America, and as such, it is filled with 50+ year old holders-of-power who make/pass laws. these people are very well versed is things like baseball games and outdoor concerts, as they grew up around them. they did not, however, grow up around anything digital, nor do they have the slightest bit of common sense on issues involving anything digital. they need counsel on such issues, so they turn to the deep-pocketed insider lobbyists who are quite well versed in the tech "wizardry." the advice given is almost certainly going to be in favor of the industry who wants to perpetuate the false idea that digital bits can belong to someone, and thus be controlled. i'm sure it helps that the lobbyist says "here, if you ever get confused, i've written you a cheat-sheet on the back of this hundred-dollar bill." of course its not always a c-note.. sometimes is a multi million dollar house in the california hills.. but thats old news, so who wants to remember that?

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    72. Re:So using this logic.... by corbettw · · Score: 1

      I'm not a lawyer, but I've studied real estate law. What you're talking about is called an "easement". If there's never been a fence around your front yard, people are free to cut across it. What's more, you can be prevented from even erecting a fence, once the precedent is set that people can do this. Future owners can be prevented from erecting a fence if past owners allowed such usage, as well.

      Extending the analogy, if you have an open WiFi connection and do nothing to prevent someone from connecting (even something so simple as a splash screen with TOS on the first Web page lookup), it should be considered an easement with anyone and everyone having free access to use that connection for other lawful purposes (you can't use an easement to peer into a bedroom window or jiggle the door handle, so you shouldn't be able to use an open WiFi connection to snoop on a network). If there are access controls in place, of any kind, then it should be considered a private network, and then, and only then, can this type of prosecution occur.

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    73. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Open your AP and set "Come and surf for free" as SSID.
      2. ??? *
      3. Profit!

      * Sue.

    74. Re:So using this logic.... by PhilipMckrack · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points and could give you all of them, I would. Everyone reads computer and instantly the book is thrown at them.

      What gets me is the severity of the penalties. 5 years possible for piggybacking a service to check his email and browse the web? The bandwidth this guy was using was negligible. I think the penalty he got was too harsh. Give him an $80 fine and move on. That's about the cost of a low speeding ticket. Chances are he wouldn't do it again. That's even if you consider it's a crime to connect to an open wifi network, which I personally think it shouldn't be.

      If he were spamming 5 million emails in 15 minutes or otherwise knowingly abusing the system, I could see some penalties, but this is nonsense. The penalties for most computer crimes are severely too harsh to begin with. I can only hope like you do that as time moves on we will re-evaluate the laws and punishments.

    75. Re:So using this logic.... by cliveholloway · · Score: 1

      The problem though is that the default setting of wireless routers is unsecured and SSID broadcast enabled, and of course like with everything few people ever change the defaults. It makes it easy for anyone to set up a network -- turn on the router, click "Find network" on the PC, done -- but the result is we have tons of unsecured, open networks whose owners may not want to be open but don't know how to say that in wireless protocol terms.

      When you buy a traditional wooden door from a hardware store, it doesn't come with a lock either. That's up to you (or your carpenter to install). Why should a network be treated differently? And the network setup is even more egregious - it's like a door that is installed open, with a sign saying, "Come on in if you want" hanging on it. It's totally ridiculous that this is a "crime". If unsecured networks really are an issue, why not make it illegal for vendors to sell a wireless access point without (unique) security being enabled by default. That way, when an open network is encounterted, it is implicit that the owner intended it to be open and this crap becomes a non-story.

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    76. Re:So using this logic.... by mikiN · · Score: 1

      ...the "No Work" database. "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a d..."

      Can anyone see the LIGHT in here? Just go on repeat that hypnotizing mantra "work work work work work work work ..." and you might end up losing signt of any other purpose, calling or destiny humanity may yet have, and become just a pawn in some evil overlord's idea of a chess game.

      Link. Fourth paragraph. Must read. (And watch the movie.)
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    77. Re:So using this logic.... by internic · · Score: 1

      This is true if and only if his router speaks for him. Legally, since you can't transfer power of attorney to an inanimate object, this is legally dubious. It makes perfect sense that his router speaks for him if you are not a lawyer, not trained as one, and have basically no knowledge of the law.

      So the question is, if a building has a sign by the entrence that says "Open. Please come in!", is it tresspassing (or "entry" or some other crime) to enter? This would seem to be closely analogous to the case where a wireless AP is unencrypted, broadcasting an ID, and gives you an IP address when you send a DHCP request. Presumably the sign cannot speak for one legally either.

      This situation is exactly equivalent to arresting someone for entering a store with an "Open" sign becuase he did not get explicit permission to enter from a human. After all, the wireless network in question had the digital equivalent of an open sign (and the DHCP server said "come right in", effectively) and was designed for the public in the same sense that the store is.

      The problem here is not an ignorance of law by computer users but an ignorace of computers by lawmakers.

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    78. Re:So using this logic.... by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Web servers are intended for the dissemination of information to third parties. Wi-fi gateways are basic infrastructure, and can be reasonably be considered intended for the use of authorized parties only, given most people are unlikely to want anonymous third parties using their network without permission.

      And using the term "configured to give public access" is framing. The correct term is "unconfigured" in the vast majority of gateways. It's no more "configured to give public access" than a door that's been left unlocked is likewise.

      In the real world, there are many objects that provide access to things where the configuration and existence of the object does not necessarily imply anything about the right of third parties to use what they provide access to. A garden gate can reasonably be assumed, if the gate is unlocked, to be not intended as a barrier to prevent a visitor from entering. A front door, however, can be reasonably assumed whether locked or unlocked to be a boundary over which a visitor cannot cross without explicit permission. The mistake of many on the "Unlocked WAP means I'm allowed in" argument is to assume such a state of affairs does not exist, and that you can reasonably make assumptions about whether you're allowed to do something on the basis of whether it's easy or not.

      As always, there's a solution: just ask. If you're afraid to ask someone if they'd mind if you used their Internet connection via their WAP, you might want to ask yourself whether you really have their consent.

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    79. Re:So using this logic.... by YourMotherCalled · · Score: 1

      You know what we should do to stop that madness? I say we deport all the illegal immigrants and tighten our borders so that those illegal immigrants can't be abused by the "No Work" database. That'll show those government fat cats that we mean business!

      DOWN WITH THE "NO WORK" DATABASE!

      What do you think of my plan? Pretty good right?

    80. Re:So using this logic.... by Perl-Pusher · · Score: 1

      If I walk up to your door and check if its locked, if it isn't then do I have a right to plug in my RV to your wall socket? My argument is if the owner didn't care then that should have been the end of it.

    81. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wooooooooo! Cluster bomb! Woooooooooooo!

    82. Re:So using this logic.... by Nukenbar · · Score: 5, Funny

      I walk into unlocked front doors everyday without explicit permission.

      These places are called stores.

    83. Re:So using this logic.... by iron-kurton · · Score: 1

      Yes, we all know how well that works.

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    84. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would it still be illegal if the door had a notice posted upon it, saying "Free public lavatory access, please come in"?

    85. Re:So using this logic.... by squiggleslash · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      This is an excellent point, and I do suggest you volunteer as a star witness should anyone be prosecuted for using a Wifi router that has a large sign on it, clearly visible to people accessing the WAP remotely, with "Push the button and I'll open the door if you meet my criteria."

      However, FWIW, this is not a remotely similar case to your example.

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    86. Re:So using this logic.... by zarozarozaro · · Score: 1

      I wonder if you could set up something where you only receive packets from the open wifi and never transmit. Since you typically don't transmit much data the TX packets could go over a cell phone or something. I think satellite internet works like this, sort of anyway. Anyone know if a scheme like this is possible? It would circumvent the whole "you are trespassing because you are transmitting to the wifi router" argument.

    87. Re:So using this logic.... by mpe · · Score: 1

      I've seen lots of signs on private property "Posted, No Tresspassing", and "Posted, No Hunting or Fishing".

      You also see signs saying "Parking for Customers Only". Which appears far more applicable in this situation. Assuming the coffee shop had such a sign, or indicated in some other way that only customers should be parking there, then there would be an issue of tresspass. (Though probably as a civil issue.)
      The whole WIFI issue is really just so much bovine excrement, it really shouldn't be of any relevence.

    88. Re:So using this logic.... by autophile · · Score: 1

      ...people who can sit outside a baseball stadium or concert from some vantage point and watch the game/performance for free are also commiting a felony.

      That analogy holds right up to the point you send your first packet to their network. After that, you are no longer a passive spectator...you are playing in a completely different ballgame, with completely different rules.

      So to keep up the analogy, because we here at Slashdot love analogies, the analogy holds right up to the point that you start tossing baseballs into the stadium, or joining in the concert by parading up and down the stage clapping your hands out of time.

      Or to use an even more powerful analogy, that of the car analogy, it's like you're watching the cars drive by... that's ok. But as soon as you get on your skateboard and grab hold of one a la Back To The Future, you're toast.

      --Rob

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    89. Re:So using this logic.... by n00854180t · · Score: 1

      Way to ignore the fact that this is a public Wi-Fi access point, and not an "unconfigured" one. If the shops don't want non-customers to use their kit, they either need to secure it, or deal with the consequences. Charging someone with up to 50 years in prison for using an unsecured, public network is absurd. Murderers, rapists, etc., are not even subject to that severity of sentencing. Your entire position is absurd and invalid.

    90. Re:So using this logic.... by snaz555 · · Score: 1
      So you think you could

      just go sit down in a coffee shop and relax, read the paper, without ordering anything?

      Yes dammit, this should be a felony too! More government! More police! More laws! God damn criminals are ruining our moral standards! Make everything a felony! (Except vehicular laws, I want to be able to drive any way I please.)

    91. Re:So using this logic.... by mpe · · Score: 1

      1) According to the FCC, it's perfectly legal to receive ANY BROADCAST TRANSMISSION. I can set up a radio receiver and pick up whatever happens to be in the air.

      IIRC there are issues if you evesdrop on police radios or if you decrypt stuff.

      2) But, it's also illegal in most areas to "access computers or computer networks without permission". They stand in contradiction to each other.

      In order to use a wireless access point you have to transmit yourself, maybe that makes the difference.

    92. Re:So using this logic.... by dweller_below · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This outlines another, deeper problem.

      The law is not an end to itself. Nor does the law only exist to support lawyers.

      The law must support the people. The people must understand the law. It must exist in their hearts. It must resonate with them.

      Without the support and understanding of the people, the law is just tyranny.

      I believe that this is the whole intent of jury trials and Jury Nullification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_Nullification) It exists to keep the law and the people in sync.

      Miles

    93. Re:So using this logic.... by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your front yard has a water fountain sitting next to the sidewalk. You pay for the water. The fountain only works by use of a key. But you have a machine sitting next to the fountain that produces a key for anyone who presses a button labelled "Press here to request access to water fountain". Am I committing a crime by pressing the button and then drinking the water?

      I'm sorry, your analogy must contain at least one automobile. Please try again.

    94. Re:So using this logic.... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      It's also like a company dropping money on the ground in front of their store and arresting anyone who picks it up.


      You've never seen a company put books outside on tables? You think that implies they're free?
    95. Re:So using this logic.... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      When you buy a traditional wooden door from a hardware store, it doesn't come with a lock either. That's up to you (or your carpenter to install)


      Even if I don't put a lock on that door.. it's still illegal for you to enter my house without my permission. How difficult is this to understand? We have multiple precedents set in multiple states.. you cannot connect to someone's wifi without their permission.
    96. Re:So using this logic.... by GSloop · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The heck it isn't! (Sheesh)

      What's an SSID? (Service Set ID)
      When it broadcasts, it IS advertising service. (WiFi Service here!)

      You don't have to broadcast SSID's and without them, you can't attach to the Wifi Network. (Many routers offer the ability NOT to broadcast the SSID.)

      But if your broadcast that you're offering service, you then answer in the affirmative when asked for a IP (DHCP) I simply can't see how anyone can consider this "unauthorized." Short of getting written, signed by the authorized agent of the WiFi Network that you (specifically) are authorized, you could be successfully prosecuted for "unauthorized" access, simply because you couldn't prove you'd gotten "authorized" access.

      I mean damn. You BROADCAST an SSID. You futhter allow a DHCP address to be assigned to an unkown MAC address, and then forward and receive packets from it.
      The SSID broadcast is the AVDERTISING of the service.
      The granting of the DHCP request with an IP is the EXPLICIT permission to use the network.

      If you intended it to be private, you either encrypt it, authenticate it, or block unknown MAC addresses, or fail to lease IP's to unkown clients.

      But if you INTEND to let everyone use it, as an OPEN AP, you do just as the coffee shop did.

      -Greg

    97. Re:So using this logic.... by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >Web servers are intended for the dissemination of information to third parties.

      No. Its a service running on a cmputer. What its intended for makes no real difference. You cant hack my intranet and say "Well, its a webserver."

      Considering the coffee shop did not complain and the police didnt even know if a crim was commited, it seems to me that consent is not a big deal and would be pretty safe to assume a big sign that says 'free wifi' is kinda a form of consent.

    98. Re:So using this logic.... by kalistra · · Score: 1

      "But the guys in the middle buy their Linksys routers at Best Buy, take them home, plug them in, they work, and they stop there."

      Or, they could be like me, and know exactly what they're doing. I live in what you would probably consider a middle class neighborhood, and I leave my wireless access point open because a) I maintain security all the way down to the machine layer (i.e. I don't consider my LAN any more secure than the cloud) and b) I'm happy to share the bandwidth capacity that I have with the people around me. If bandwidth utilization ever gets to a point where it impacts my own experience, I might have to reconsider, but until that day it's there for people to use.

    99. Re:So using this logic.... by Mockylock · · Score: 1

      Would you pick a book up or a dollar if it were sitting on the ground?

      I don't know how your post has anything to do with any analogy, but I'll try to use your logic and.. I'd pick the book up and read it for a second if they were selling books.

      Right? Is it illegal to read them a bit, considering it's outside rather than inside?

      Not only that... but we're talking about books that are FREE!

      C'mon.

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    100. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sig:
      Knowlage = Power
      P= W/t
      t=Money
      Money = Work/Knowalge so the less you know the more you make


      I guess you must make a lot. The word is knowledge.

    101. Re:So using this logic.... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      When you ask yourself "am I allowed to use this network?", "I don't know" does not equal "yes". The onus is upon you to verify that you are not trespassing before proceeding. In this particular case, it doesn't initially appear that any malice was involved. $400+40hrs sounds a little steep, but not in the realm of the unreasonable.

      Am I allowed to use Slashdot's network? I really don't know but I'm assuming yes because it responds to port 80 HTTP requests.

      How about Walnut's Creek puclic FTP. No one gave me specific permission but yet its fine for me to view and download things.

      Same with municipal free Wifi that many cities have no in which are purely DHCP.

      If people had to ask permission each time to use something on a "public" channel then the network admins would simply be flooded with manual requests.

      If you want an working Wifi analogy, then let us say that it would be like the shop owner took a Cat 5 cable and strung it out to the middle of the parking lot and with a router that had a sign on it that says "Internet Access"

      It does not say "no trespassing" or "do not use" and implies this network is free to use.

      However even if the SSID simply said "Private Network Do Not Use" even if it was DCHP with full blow use it would be as fine as a no trespassing law (and as an aside in most states it is actually OK to cross property as long as there is A.) No fence or obstacles and B.) no posted "No Trespassing signs" and C.) You haven't asked them to leave)

      And with tons of free Wifi networks open for use, and to expect users to get permission every single time to use an open resource is not only is unreasonable to the user but also to the network administrator who will have to manually deal with the requests.

      And back to private networks and public... Even without wifi, most private networks will alert you immediately that they are private and that only certain people are allowed and have some type of identification or password security involved.

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    102. Re:So using this logic.... by mikiN · · Score: 1

      That's a good example. In fact, an unsecured access point is broadcasting that very fact continuously, and a client configured to associate with any access point doesn't know zip about whether that access point belongs to a friendly neighbour, the mob or the Queen. It simply connects.

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    103. Re:So using this logic.... by GSloop · · Score: 1

      If if you bloody put a sign up, saying "Come on in" and someone does, then you're just an idiot for putting the sign up, and the government would be skanks for prosecuting anyone who does.

      Same with an AP that FREEKING BROADCASTS the SSID. It is absolutely a PUBLIC INVITATION to use the network.
      The DHCP response is an AFFIRMATION of your assent that the device may use the publicly advertised/broadcasted network.

      Damn, some people are simply morons. Sheesh!

      -Greg

    104. Re:So using this logic.... by TheGeneration · · Score: 1

      That analogy holds right up to the point you send your first packet to their network. After that, you are no longer a passive spectator...you are playing in a completely different ballgame, with completely different rules.


      What about the routers first broadcast SSID packet that reached my computer and told my computer it was there waiting to be used? Isn't that implied permission? Wait a minute, that broadcast SSID packed caused a change of states ON MY COMPUTER. The owner of that router is using my computer without MY permission!!!! Where's the cops?! My computer was raped by a broadcast SSID packet!
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    105. Re:So using this logic.... by feydakin · · Score: 1

      Try sitting on the roof of a building across the street from Wrigley without "someone" paying Wrigley for you to be there.. All those houses and buildings in the outfield pay a license fee to Wrigley every year.. Just because you can peek over the fence does not make it "free"

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    106. Re:So using this logic.... by Sancho · · Score: 1

      DHCP is a protocol where I ask for an address and routing information, and if I am allowed to have it, I get it. Your example has no such protocol.

      Trying to match things up with your analogy, what you described would be more like asking for a lease, not getting an answer, then trying out common IP ranges/routing tables until you find one that works.

    107. Re:So using this logic.... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      Let's dispense with analogies for a while, and look at exactly what happens when you connect to a WiFi hotspot:
      1. The access point broadcasts, advertising its existence. This can be disabled for private networks, so people need to know the network ID to connect.
      2. The client attempts to connect to the network. This can be blocked using MAC address filtering.
      3. The client and access point negotiate encryption. Clients can be blocked by requiring encryption and not telling them the key.
      4. The client asks for a DHCP lease containing the address of the router to use. This can be blocked by sending back a request denied packet (or simply ignoring it)
      There are four steps here, and at each of them the access point has the option of saying 'no access.' Some of them can be worked around, if you want to put effort in, but doing this is quite clearly violating the access point owner/administrator's wishes, and should be blocked. If you go through all of these steps unchallenged then it seems likely that the access point was configured deliberately to allow you (or, people in general) access.

      Now, you could claim that the person who configured the access point didn't know how to set up any of these barriers, but that's not really a good excuse since they are usually configurable via some form of simple web interface. Avoiding the technology totally, they could even put up a sign saying 'WiFi for patrons only,' and then it would be clear that you shouldn't be using it.

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    108. Re:So using this logic.... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      This is true if and only if his router speaks for him. Legally, since you can't transfer power of attorney to an inanimate object, this is legally dubious.

      But the router does legally speak for him. It can't sign contracts on his behalf, but it is explicit about his intentions. If I go home, unlock and open my front door, buy a big neon "open" sign and hang it out front and put a sign on the street corner that says "free cookies inside" did I sign a power of attorney with any of those previously mentioned items? Now, if someone were to walk down the street, see those, go inside my house, and help themselves to a cookie without personally talking to me, would that be felony breaking and entering, theft, burglary or whatever? I had to take the actions to make the cookies, open the door, put the signs in place. They may not have power of attorney to speak for me, but they are speaking quite clearly about my intentions.

      A wireless device in defaults is about like that. They are open by default. They initiate contact by default. They advertise themselves as available by default. It is more convenient in that a single action opens the door, places the signs, and lays out the cookies, but it is no more or less open and advertised than the cookie example.

    109. Re:So using this logic.... by Sancho · · Score: 1

      A 'yes' was not given. No answer was given. If the default state is 'not permitted' and you don't receive permission when you ask, then you obviously don't have permission.

    110. Re:So using this logic.... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      So you think you could just go sit down in a coffee shop and relax, read the paper, without ordering anything? Yes, of course I can. It's not polite, and I would probably expect the owner to ask me to leave. On the other hand, if the coffee shop is empty then they might feel that it's better to have me sitting there making the place look a little busy and thus more appealing to passers by. The last thing I would expect would be for a passing police man to pop in and say 'I notice you're in a coffee shop, but not drinking coffee. I'm afraid I'll have to arrest you for that.'
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    111. Re:So using this logic.... by geggam · · Score: 1

      To convolute matters more parts of wireless networking are in an Amateur radio spectrum. Specifically 2390-2450 MHz range which includes the 1st 8 wireless channels. Considering it is illegal to encrypt Amateur transmissions where would that put WEP and WPA ?
      This guy needs to appeal.

    112. Re:So using this logic.... by blueskies · · Score: 2

      Woah. Wi-fi gateways could be said to be intended for people to connect to. And you can't just say most people are unlikely to want anon third parties to use their networks, because the same goes for someone putting up pictures of their family on their webpage. They might want to only share those pictures with their family, but since they don't put an access method on them, anyone can access them.

      When an OS on 98% of all computers automatically makes you a criminal under your reading of the law, something is wrong in a BIG way. XP before service packs, would automatically connect you to publically accessable Wi-fi APs. It's a de facto standard that an unsecured AP is an invitation for public use--this is the intented use. Just like people would laugh until it hurt if you tried to suggest that items you placed on a publically accessible web server without access controls were illegal to access.

      It's no more "configured to give public access" than a door that's been left unlocked is likewise.

      I believe it should be "than a door that's been left open." Closed and locked would be wep or wpa and mac address filtering.

      WEP is the closed and locked front door of access points. Just because people are ignorant and are too dumb to close their front front door doesn't mean the rest of the world should suffer.

      Case law has helped shape closed front doors in the physical world as legal boundaries; i hope case law catches up and makes a definitive answer that wep, wpa, or other methods are required to act as the front door in the wireless world.

    113. Re:So using this logic.... by Danse · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What kind of bizarre background did you have growing up, that machines can give or refuse permission in the human and / or legal sense?

      Probably a world in which we are granted or denied access to all kinds of things by machines every day of our lives.
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    114. Re:So using this logic.... by jridley · · Score: 2

      So then if I *WANT* to allow anyone to attach to my router and use my bandwidth freely, how do I do it? I have been just leaving the router open. I figure that WEP is the equivalent of posting "no trespassing" signs. It won't actually stop anyone that wants to use the connection but it makes it obvious that they're not welcome.

      If you're saying that the presumption must be that even if a connection is open, you're not welcome, then how do I set up a hot spot that I want people to use? Do I need to put my physical address in the SSID so they can come and ask? I don't want people to physically bother me asking, I just want them to use it. I guess the SSID could read "FREE WIFI HELP YOURSELF" but that's kind of kludgy.

    115. Re:So using this logic.... by Macadamizer · · Score: 1

      But can the automatic door discriminate between customers and people who have been told (either by the proprieter or the courts) that they are not welcome?

      It's only not trespassing if you have permission. the fact that the door opens for you does not imply permission.

      What happens if the proprietor forgets to lock the doors after hours? Does the fact that the door opens for you imply that you have permission to be in the store when it is closed?

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    116. Re:So using this logic.... by gmby · · Score: 1

      Also called Coffie Shops.

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    117. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue I'm finding with most of these analogies is that they don't take into account the fact that this guy was sitting in his car outside the coffee shop. There's no good reason for him to be in his car unless he thought he'd be prohibited from using the service otherwise.

      This would of course be solved by adding a proxy server with a one time "This service is for customers only" prompt but most off-the-shelf or cheap AP/Routers don't have such functionality.

      The store (or in this case the AP) may be public property and "entering" it is available to anyone, but if they ask you to leave, or you hide out until after closing time, there should be some legal recourse.
      This guy knew he was using their resources illicitly despite the fact that it is an open AP.

    118. Re:So using this logic.... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      I walk into unlocked front doors everyday without explicit permission. These places are called stores.

      You don't need explicit permission, as the act of creating a public space grants implicit permission. This is in no way comparable (under the law) to an unlocked front door on a private residence.
    119. Re:So using this logic.... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Setting aside how well the metaphor works, the land owner in your example has every expectation of privacy (in the sense of being free from wandering trespassers, anyhow). Know where you're going - it's your responsibility not to trespass.

      See, we learned this basic lesson as kids: being shot with a shotgun loaded with rocksalt or having the dogs set on you teaches you how property works in a very concrete way! Now people get all upset about that kind of thing, and people have stopped learning what "property" means. It's sad, really.

      Now get off my yard you kids!

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    120. Re:So using this logic.... by hb253 · · Score: 1

      Now now, why use epithets against Latinos?

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    121. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You walk up to the House, read the sign and push the button. The Door opens to allow you into the House.
      If that is as far as it goes, then you are not trespassing. But the moment you step inside, you are trespassing. The sign didn't say you can enter, it just said the door would open. Just because the door is open or opens doesn't mean you have the legal right to enter.

      And to apply the analogy to computer/Wi-Fi, "scanning" access points (ie: checking to see what doors are unlocked) wouldn't be trespassing either. But "using" the open access points (ie: walking through the door) would be trespassing.
    122. Re:So using this logic.... by gorfie · · Score: 1

      Off topic, but I have the world's most disrespectful kids as neighbors. Their entire family took a field trip into my fenced-in back yard to retrieve a tennis ball one day. They knocked over another section of my fence although I have no proof (other than their exclaiming "look! he's fixing it" as I set in new fence posts - seriously who breaks a fence post??). They plow through my front yard daily on foot, by bicycle, and once with a go cart (I asked them not to do that again). They climbed my trees and killed a limb on one (again - asked them not to do that). They throw rocks which often wind up in my yard. They step on my wife's flowers in the flower beds. I've seen them shooting air soft pellets at a neighbor's car (I keep mine in the garage). They leave bicycles and scooters all over their yard and sometimes on my own yard. Where is the police officer to fine them $400 for trashing my property? I could call the police and the best result I could get is the officer warning the kids, more likely he would tell me to stop wasting his time. As a solution I keep the gate locked and we're building a decorative fence between our yards.

    123. Re:So using this logic.... by Jerko · · Score: 1

      Somebody may have mentioned this already but I got bored reading all the posts. So I have been in a coffee shop before which had free wifi. They also had WEP protection and in order to use the internet, I HAD to talk to the manager. This is obviously done to circumvent piggybacking. If I come into the store to procure an item, I am now entitled to use the internet. That's the deal. This seems like a simple concept. The WEP pass can be changed daily and can be given to you when you get your cup of joe. Then what will happen. Somebody will give the WEP pass to their friend who then uses it without procuring his coffee. He was not given the WEP pass by anyone official and is now using it access the internet. According to the door analogy, he broke into the house. That, is illegal. At least my arresting officer said it was. I had no idea at the time.

    124. Re:So using this logic.... by drmerope · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Michigan's unauthorized access statute, does in fact grant a rebuttal presumption that access was unauthorized. This means that the defendant, not the prosecution has the burden of proof on this question. This is unusual. Usually, the operator must make the exclusion clear and the prosecution must prove that the defendant ignored and/or circumvented the prohibitions. Michigan's law may in fact be an unconstitutional violation of due process as a result. See Sandstrom v. Montana, 442 U.S. 510 (1979)

      Second, even if the statute is constitutional, the law may been misapplied. The access is not illegal if

      Access was achieved without the use of a set of instructions, code, or computer program that bypasses, defrauds, or otherwise circumvents the pre-programmed access procedure for the computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network.
      So basically this guy had a bad lawyer. What he did was in fact not a crime.
    125. Re:So using this logic.... by lgw · · Score: 1

      It doesn't in any way matter what the machine-to-machine protocol is! The only thing that matters is if a reasonable person should expect that the owner of the access point intended for you to connect to that access point.

      That fact that the access point is unsecured is not a good reason to expect that that was the owners intention. Most people can't figure this stuff out, and the reasonable expectation is that the access point is unsecured because that was the default when it shipped, not because the owner deliberately set it up that way.

      Just ask the owner (human-to-human protocol!) before using it, it's not hard.

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    126. Re:So using this logic.... by someone300 · · Score: 1

      Precisely; and some would argue that creating an unprotected wifi hotspot in a public location, for which the router has authorised access and provided network resources (as a webserver does), would count as "public access wifi". Not sure of the AP name, but what's the bet it was like "CoffeeShop-FreeWifi"?

      Some token protection like WEP or the proxy saying "You must be in the coffee shop to use this wifi [OK]" would be an entirely different matter. I mean, nobody explicitly grants me access of wifi hotspots in our local town, but I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to use them. I *think* they're intended to be used but I'm not sure of that. I suppose in the same way that I assume particular benches and trash cans positioned in public areas are intended for my use when I'm sitting in the hotspot.

      Usually when I connect to the unprotected BT wireless, I never checked for explicit permission; I just tried it and it worked, but it asked me for money to use the "BT Cloud" or whatever, so I just disconnected again.

      Something interesting happened once. I walked into a house in the town thinking it was a shop. I quickly left when it didn't seem very shop like, but was I trespassing? Many shops over here kinda look a bit like a small house... particularly small computer hardware shops. They're not usually particularly commercial looking, tiny windows and not much of a label on the door if any. Yeah, bad marketing but usually word of mouth is how I hear about them.

    127. Re:So using this logic.... by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      I wonder what other states have laws like this??


      There is a federal law (18 USC 1030) very similar that applies, among other things, to any computer "used in interstate commerce or communication", which could be construed to apply to anything attached to the internet, though it has a minimum $5,000 damage threshold (aggregate, in the case of action by the government including criminal action) before an action can be brought, unless very particular types of harm are done.

    128. Re:So using this logic.... by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      I bear that onus by asking the router "Can I use your network?", to which it replies "Sure, here's your IP, and you can use this IP as a Gateway". That doesnt sound like "I don't know" to me, it sounds more like "Yes".


      Routers aren't people. "I asked your router if I could come into your network, and it let me in" carries about as much weight as "I asked your doorknob if I could come into your house, and it let me in".

    129. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn. I meant to post anonymously. Sorry for my stupid remark. I am a real ass. Please mod me down.

    130. Re:So using this logic.... by someone300 · · Score: 1

      Those cash machines basically grant you permission to money and give you it through their little flap thing. I think those are legal..

    131. Re:So using this logic.... by drooling-dog · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It doesn't in any way matter what the machine-to-machine protocol is! Excuse me while I slap my forehead in disbelief at what I've been reading here. Extending permission to use the network is the whole point of those protocols. That is what they (e.g., DHCP) do, and that is the only reason you'd be running them on a machine connected to a wireless router.

      This guy was charged with a felony because the owner of the network (who didn't press charges, as I understand) might not have realized that he was giving permission to others to use his network, which in fact he was. Pretty flimsy reason to ruin someone's life, no? That's pretty much the only reason that coffee shops even have wireless access points.
    132. Re:So using this logic.... by manifoldronin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Web servers are intended for the dissemination of information to third parties. Wi-fi gateways are basic infrastructure, and can be reasonably be considered intended for the use of authorized parties only, given most people are unlikely to want anonymous third parties using their network without permission.

      I find the words you use above like "intended" and "basic infrastructure" very arbitrary. Web servers can be argued to be part of the basic infrastructure of any entity with online presence, and most web servers are set up to allow anonymous access without permission. Both web servers and wifi gateways are set up to open up some sort of "portal" to allow access to information that otherwise cannot be accessed.

      A garden gate can reasonably be assumed, if the gate is unlocked, to be not intended as a barrier to prevent a visitor from entering. A front door, however, can be reasonably assumed whether locked or unlocked to be a boundary over which a visitor cannot cross without explicit permission.

      This is arbitrary, too. Logically or conceptually I don't see any definitively clear line that can be drawn between a garden gate and a front door and a thousand other types of entrances between those two. If you see a garden gate unlocked, would you "reasonably assume" that you can just walk in without being accused of trespassing - or just shot on the spot?
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    133. Re:So using this logic.... by someone300 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I asked the doorknob if I could come in and it replied "Yes", I would actually accept it.

      As it happens, I've never been given permission by a doorknob, though I was going to make our front door's lock grant entry based on the people standing infront of it. I suppose that's the same thing, and I didn't really consider that there'd be anything legally wrong with my computer granting house entry to someone.

    134. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On another note....I wonder what other states have laws like this??

      States don't have federal laws.

    135. Re:So using this logic.... by u8i9o0 · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming that his action was not criminal as explained here.

      That blockquote text is unfamiliar. What's the source?

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    136. Re:So using this logic.... by TechnicalFool · · Score: 1

      I run an access point with zero encryption. I don't care if you manage to find out that I'm hosting a chatbot status page or a few script files on my web server. In fact, you're welcome to them. Access is slightly obfuscated (no DHCP, no DNS), but that's more because my Internet service provider would have a hissy fit and cut me off otherwise, than any desire to run a barbed wire fence around the AP. I'd actually like to do things properly and have a redirected login page (with anybody able to create an account for LAN access), but in the area I'm in there really isn't much risk of hackers sending gigabytes of DDOS attacks through my 56k dialup connection. It's also way too much effort for something likely only a few friends will ever know is there, let alone use. I would also regard very oddly some stranger knocking on my door and saying "can I use your WAP?" - that's why it's open, fool!

      Basically, I'm not fussed if any bob, joe or jane finds that I've coded a single-word anagram finder or quick Mandelbrot ASCIImation generator for Ruby (I've stuck a gpl.txt with them anyway), and if I find someone has figured out how to type "192.168.0.x" and found my ISP's DNS addresses in order to get any meaningful Internet access, I can just unplug the ethernet cable/firewall their MAC address out if they take too much. I don't want to press charges against anyone for this, I don't want charges being brought against anyone for this, and if it becomes a problem then a simple 64-bit WEP key comprised of a single repeating character is enough to politely say "no entry". If it gets broken into, then and only then am I going to start getting pissed off (and probably move to something more secure, like a wired network).

      So as you might have guessed, I think the way the laws in various countries are developing towards wifi is wrong. Setting up encryption is easy, even for complete computer dunces once you explain it in the correct terms to them, and if you get the right kind of router, it is stupidly so. Some routers are as simple to create an encrypted connection to as "press button on router, press button on card." Running an open access point is like placing an electrical outlet outside the boundary of your property and expecting people not to plug stuff into it. You just don't do it, and I hope a few judges and barristers start seeing it that way, too.

      ...incidentally, if someone did start compromising boxes on the network, then public house or not, I still view that as criminal damage. IE: The landlord will throw you out and/or probably call the police for chucking that barstool through the window!

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    137. Re:So using this logic.... by metrometro · · Score: 1

      this guy while getting off 'easy' is now a convicted FELON!!

      RTFA His reduced sentence includes no criminal record. Which actually makes it worse: if he was an American Muslim logging onto chat boards in the middle east, do you think the sentence would have been reduced? No way.

    138. Re:So using this logic.... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Precisely; and some would argue that creating an unprotected wifi hotspot in a public location, for which the router has authorised access and provided network resources (as a webserver does), would count as "public access wifi".

      Except that said arguement relies on pretending that an unlocked door is in fact permission to pass through it. Which, as I noted and you agreed, is not true under all circumstances (public versus private). Those that make the argument harp on the "router authorizing acess", but that is merely confusing different kinds of permission. A router is a piece of inanimate hardware, it can no more grant legal authority than can an equally inanimate doorknob.
       
       

      Something interesting happened once. I walked into a house in the town thinking it was a shop. I quickly left when it didn't seem very shop like, but was I trespassing? Many shops over here kinda look a bit like a small house... particularly small computer hardware shops. They're not usually particularly commercial looking, tiny windows and not much of a label on the door if any.

      Under the law? You certainly were (trespassing) - you entered private property without permission. What the shop looks like or doesn't look like is irrelevant. In reality (under those circumstances), if you were charge you'd probably get off with a stern lecture from the judge for lack of good judgement (at least the first time).
    139. Re:So using this logic.... by reebmmm · · Score: 1

      Actually, there's nothing that says that you can't use an inanimate object as an agent. In fact, most e-signature laws recognize this fact. In some sense, every time you click "accept" on a license agreement you have in fact given the machine the power to accept the terms of a license agreement.

      It is an interesting question whether you could actually make an implied contract case out of these facts. The issue a court would have to decide is whether the owner of the router intended the router to be its agent for purposes of granting access to the network. One could see how a court might infer offer, acceptance and assent. Though, this would clearly be a novel legal theory and should not be interpreted as legal advice.

    140. Re:So using this logic.... by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      If I asked the doorknob if I could come in and it replied "Yes", I would actually accept it.


      And if you actually asked the router and it actually replied "Yes", in English, that would be analogous.

      However, interacting with an inanimate access control system in its usual mode of operation and having it grant you access may be some evidence that you have permission (whether it is a door or a router), but usually alone it will not suffice to demonstrate permission.

      Now, if there was a "free WiFi", with no qualifiers, sign at the coffee shop, there might be a good argument that this guy thought that they were offering it free to the world without restriction in the hopes of generating good will. And, had this case gone to trial, a jury might have had to determine if he actually reasonably believed he had permission to access the network. But it looks like the prosecutor offered him a way to avoid criminal charges, and he took it.

    141. Re:So using this logic.... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      Grant you permission to /your/ money, which the machine holds in escrow as an (automated) agent of the bank, following your successful authentication to said bank, and other verification procedures.

    142. Re:So using this logic.... by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 1

      At my university, the baseball field was situated next to a projects workshop. We noticed that there were certain raised hills from which you could see into the stadium, so one day we got up there to watch a game.

      Someone spotted us and they literally stopped the game because of it. Over the loudspeaker we heard: "Will the people on the back fence please get off. The game cannot continue until you do." We weren't actually standing on the fence, but apparently they couldn't tell the difference. Maybe they were looking out for our safety, but it was pretty weird to be singled out like that in front of a few thousand people.

    143. Re:So using this logic.... by furball · · Score: 1
      The issue here is the intent of the owner.

      Before I address your concerns, I'll speak directly about the case that this entire thing is about. If the defendant in question really believes that the access point was free, bring the owner to testify that it was indeed free. I don't have the transcript so I can't say that he did or didn't try. If I was the defense lawyer, that's what I'd do first. I'd determine the intent of the owner. Because no matter what you do with hardware, the question of intent of the owner trumps all configurations. Authorization comes from the owner, always, and never the device when legal questions are raised.

      Now your concern. The fact of the matter is that you don't know explicitly that you are allowed to connect to a person's webserver or not. However, how you know it was there may provide sufficient legal coverage. For example, if there was an advertisement for the web site from an authorized advertiser for the owner promoting said web site, then absolutely you have reasonable legal coverage. You are connecting to their web site in response to an advertisement to do so for more information. However, the owner could charge you with the equivalent of trespass. It probably wouldn't stick.

      That charge is not in their best interest. The charge creates confusion (assuming you access their web site like everyone else) as to who can and cannot access the web site. This creates press coverage and people who wishes to obey the law don't access their web site in fear of being charged. The owner is unable to disseminate information. His business suffers. Therefore, given this scenario it's reasonable to assume that you can connect to a web site given these circumstances. If you connect to a web server that's hidden off somewhere unadvertised, you are on shaky grounds legally (connect by trying various IP's etc, and not via a link from some page owned by the business).

      Why can't you connect to a router wifi access point when it is configured to give public access?


      Configured by whom? How do you know that the configuration on the access point mirrors the intention of the owner? How do you know it's configured? What if it's the default? How do you know the access point wasn't hacked to provide free access to everyone? If there's a "free - take this" sign on a riding lawn mower on someone's lawn, would you take it without checking? What if the sign was put on there by some prankster?

      Unless you know that the configuration was done by the owner with the intent to give you free access, I'd be very careful.
    144. Re:So using this logic.... by cliveholloway · · Score: 1

      Well done on reading my post, though I think your comprehension needs a little work. Here, let me point you to the relevant sentence:

      it's like a door that is installed open, with a sign saying, "Come on in if you want" hanging on it

      At no point did I condone entering a house without permission. Can I have some of what you're smoking? Pretty please.

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    145. Re:So using this logic.... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      Avoiding the technology totally, they could even put up a sign saying 'WiFi for patrons only,' and then it would be clear that you shouldn't be using it.

      Not that he'd notice, he never actually frequented the shop, just leeched its net access.

    146. Re:So using this logic.... by nosferatu1001 · · Score: 1

      You drive up to a car park, a machne issues a ticket and grants you access. This is a perfect example of a MACHINE being able to grant permission as it has been delegated authority to.

      how is a DHCP server different?

    147. Re:So using this logic.... by furball · · Score: 1

      If you can provide proof that it was indeed me that put the sign up, you would have legal coverage for doing so. However, if you don't, I'd be very cautious. Just because there's a sign on some object saying it's free, doesn't mean it was put on there by its owner.

    148. Re:So using this logic.... by Achromatic1978 · · Score: 1

      What about the routers first broadcast SSID packet that reached my computer and told my computer it was there waiting to be used? Isn't that implied permission?

      You're extrapolating invalidly. The router did no such thing. It advertised its SSID, "I am a network, my ID is x", it said nothing about "waiting to be used", that was your interpretation.

    149. Re:So using this logic.... by profplump · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Web servers are intended for the dissemination of information to third parties. Wi-fi gateways are basic infrastructure, and can be reasonably be considered intended for the use of authorized parties only, given most people are unlikely to want anonymous third parties using their network without permission.

      First, I don't understand how you can say with a straight face that web servers indicate and intent to share and broadcasting gateways do not. For one thing, most web services specifically forbid all sorts of uses in their terms of use. For example: http://www.ostg.com/terms.htm. For another, many people assume that information they post on the web is private (they shouldn't, but they do) if it isn't linked in to a well-known web page.

      Second, couldn't you make the same argument about not wanting anonymous third parties using email servers? I only want authorized people to email me, not Mexican pharmacy bots. But since I have a publicly accessible email address I'm likely to get some such email, whether I want it or not.

      I don't support the "it's open so I have a right to use it" viewpoint, but there are reasonable technical and social measures that could be employed to indicate that you don't want to share your gateway. They could simply add a the WEP password "pasword". Or not broadcast the SSID. Or put up a terms-of-use page for the first port-80 request from a new MAC address. Or posted a sign outside that said "WiFi access for customers only". Or they could have walked out to his car and asked him to stop using their network.

      If they had done any one of those things and he continued using the access point I'd have no trouble prosecuting him. But when people physically trespass, they must have bypassed reasonable security measures and/or be asked to leave before they've committed a crime, and I don't see the benefit of a stricter standard for access points.

    150. Re:So using this logic.... by Random832 · · Score: 1

      [IANAL, BNAY] While some property owners do choose to take matters into their own hands as you described, AFAIK there is not a legal remedy for trespassing if there is no sign and no fence.

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    151. Re:So using this logic.... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      Same with an AP that FREEKING BROADCASTS the SSID. It is absolutely a PUBLIC INVITATION to use the network.


      No.. it's a FREEKING requirement for WIFI to work. A lot of clients can't connect to so-called "hidden" networks.

      Stop being pendatic. The cafe owner has a sign up that says it's for customers only. The cafe owner charges people to use wifi who don't purchase anything.. you can't argue that the default router configuration should override the will of the goddamn cafe owner.

      Michigan says it's illegal to connect to ANY wifi network that you don't have explicit permission to use. Deal with it.
    152. Re:So using this logic.... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      but the result is we have tons of unsecured, open networks whose owners may not want to be open but don't know how to say that in wireless protocol terms.


      Exactly.. so michigan solved this ambiguity by passing a law in 2000 that makes it illegal to connect to a wifi network without explicit permission from the OWNER, not the hardware. Doesn't matter if it's an open AP or not.

      Why is this so difficult for slashdotters to understand?
    153. Re:So using this logic.... by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      Try again, sparky.

      There's only one player in that game - "You". The others are just pieces of equipment.

      Or we could look at your rather unbelievable analogy. Mine was to a house with a door - fair enough, I think. When was the last time you saw a house with a sign like that on it? Where was the indication in TFA that the cafe had put up such a sign? Besides, it's painfully obvious that if someone wanted to put up a sign making it clear that the door was unlocked, and was happy to have guests, it would be something like "Please come in - all visitors welcome".

      The fact you've had to resort to what is effectively pseudo-code is yet another pointer to the fact you are confusing permission in the machine sense with permission in the human sense.

      I very much doubt the owner of the cafe gave the router any such instructions - more likely they just plugged it in. Don't confuse machine instructions, and the analogies we use to understand them. When you get down to it, the code running on that box has no concept of "I". Your choice of wording is quite biased towards your own argument. A more accurate description would be, "if the button is pushed then the door will open". Hence, the unlocked door.

      The fact that you understand how the technicalities work does not grant you permission to enter the house. Likewise applying imprecise anthropomorphic logic to wireless router operations.

    154. Re:So using this logic.... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is sparta, I know the town well as I drive through on a regular basis. the local police are an utter joke. they only look to give tickets while they have a rampant youth vandalizing problem they refuse to deal with. The police there are known to be raging assholes. The cop certainly could have told him to never do it again and let him off with a warning but he CHOSE to nail this innocent guy.

      It was the officers choice to be a raging asshole in this case, and that is how they act there. dont drive 1 mph over the speed limit (one part of sparta on a main through road has 3 signs you can see at once. 45,35,25 it is intentionally confusing so they can nail you for speeding tickets.) as they gladly give you a ticket and look over your car for more they can write.

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    155. Re:So using this logic.... by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      No they basically don't. They basically give me cash to which I have every rights courtesy of my contract with the bank.

      If I hacked the machine, or stole someone's card and PIN, the machine would still give me the cash but I wouldn't have permission to it. Machine don't know, machine don't care.

    156. Re:So using this logic.... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      What about when my very first act is to ask the network administrator if I'm allowed to use his network, and he says "yes"? Is it okay then? Yes.

      What if my NIC asks his router if I'm allowed to use his network, and his router says "yes"? Is it okay then? No.

      Human beings own networks. Routers do not. Human beings can say, "I do not want Susan Otter using my network." Routers cannot simply because routers do not know who Susan Otter is. And I cannot tell a router who Susan Otter is. I can tell a router to disallow the NIC that I know Susan Otter has in her laptop, but if she gets a different NIC, I'm hosed. Therefore, a NIC is not suitable as identification of a person.

      A compulsory vehicle analogy: Cars don't run over people, people run over people. If I run you over in my car, I'm arrested. Saying, "I pointed the car at you and stomped on the gas but don't blame me--the car did it!" wouldn't actually work in most courts. Another example: If I have a key which will unlock your house, that doesn't mean I am actually allowed in your house. Only you can decide who's allowed in your house.

      As many have pointed out, it's possible to not allow people to use your network. Yet, the opposite is also true: It's possible to inform you that you are allowed to use the network. Therefore, if you don't see that explicit authorization, you can assume you're not welcome.
    157. Re:So using this logic.... by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      Your point would be more impressive if it demonstrated that you had read my point.

      For one thing, permission and access are quite different things. Both in the human and the legal sense, this is fairly well understood by most people.

      More pertinently, I can't think of an occassion where a machine didn't give or refuse me something where the permission or lack thereof didn't come from the decisions of a human. Doesn't matter whether the human gave bad instructions, used a random process, or whatever. In the human and / or legal sense, the machine does not choose whether or not you have permission, and will not do so until true AI comes along.

    158. Re:So using this logic.... by blueskies · · Score: 1

      You do make some good arguments; however, it's not true that you need to know the intention of the owner. That would allow unscrupulous owners to "entrap" people. Just like a CB operator can't make the argument that "unauthorized" people shouldn't hear their transmision (because that wasn't their intent). It's understood that broadcasting on public citizen's band radio is accessible to anyone that wants to listen. At the very lowest and naive level, your network device is simply broadcasting and the AP chooses to take your signal and do work with it. You aren't physically trespassing and the AP is not configured to block anon traffic.

      If you connect to a web server that's hidden off somewhere unadvertised, you are on shaky grounds legally (connect by trying various IP's etc, and not via a link from some page owned by the business).

      This has already been ruled as legal by the courts. It was reported by slashdot 2-4 years ago. Some company issued reports every year on their website, and someone happened to take the previous year's url and increment the year portion and lo and behold they downloaded that year's report before it was announced. Someone made the mistake of uploading the report early, thinking that no one would find it without a link. They tried to sue and lost in court.

      Unless you know that the configuration was done by the owner with the intent to give you free access, I'd be very careful.

      If they arrested everyone who every piggybacked, then at least 90% of computer laptop users (XP users) would be felons and in jail for 5 years. That's worse then the drug laws. I would love for some hacker to crack the DA's laptop and send incriminating evidence to all the newspapers that her XP laptop had connected to open WAPs without authorization. In fact, someone should setup some WAPs around her home, and the day her home WAP gets unplugged and her laptop autoconnects to the "linksys" ssid open WAP that they setup for "private use" log her mac address and all her information from her computer and press charges against her. We have to enforce the law uniformally.

      If someone was operating an open AP, just so they could harrass people for then using it, I would use legal means to "use up" the shared spectrum they were operating on just to spite them for being such asshats. It's a shared spectrum, so we are all entitled to use it within FCC spec. Having ignorant people hold back the rest of the world because they are too lazy to take some responsiblity for their configurations pisses me off.

    159. Re:So using this logic.... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      it's like a door that is installed open, with a sign saying, "Come on in if you want" hanging on it

      At no point did I condone entering a house without permission. Can I have some of what you're smoking? Pretty please.


      You're trying to say that the default router configuration is the same as someone actually going out of their way to make a sign that says "come on in".

      I have a welcome mat on my doorstep.. does that mean you really are welcome to enter my house?
    160. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Even better you could add that some of the water you use to wash your car is 'sent' back into the house and dumped back into the city sewer system (uploading). BitTorret users all drive water trucks and actually upload more water than an average house can handle - due to the city overselling its water capacity :)

    161. Re:So using this logic.... by modecx · · Score: 1

      Grant you permission to /your/ money, which the machine holds in escrow as an (automated) agent of the bank, following your successful authentication to said bank, and other verification procedures.

      How is that dissimilar to how a broadcast gateway acts? If you were to draw a flow chart of the process, it would be almost identical, excepting the part where the money stuff is involved.

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    162. Re:So using this logic.... by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

      I'm going to put out food with "eat me" signs and sue, I'll make millions.

      FKa(pronounced Fuka) the public domain.

      I have 3M Cable, brought only my 10G (Windows or Linux) partition laptop, so I have many many times more bandwidth than I need, if I REALLY need more I can connect to my router and ban people... so I share I have records of the Macs that connect and though they can sniff my packets I use SSH and am not terribly concerned.

      Is capitalism totally opposed to the concept of sharing? If we can secure ourselves and don't care about what they use to access the internet does it really matter? There are millions of places they can get free internet access for child porn or whatever and I know my neighbors.

      For those of you saying that sharing is unesesary, what happens when your internet goes out? I'd like to have a backup, when I'm on the road and lost I like being able to pull over in a quiet neighborhood and use google maps. Someday I'd like to have a free Wi-Fi Voip cell phone that would be totally free, all legitimate and free uses and all of which TAKE MONEY FROM THE POCKETS OF CORPORATIONS. That's what this is about, I hope all of you can secure your personal connections and share your access so others can benefit, yes sharing takes effort but it will more than be made up for if the reciprocity helps you find a party when you're lost or make a call when you're stuck in the road.

    163. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... I've figured it out. This is how they will rob us Democrats of our right to vote and bear arms.

    164. Re:So using this logic.... by furball · · Score: 1

      This has already been ruled as legal by the courts. It was reported by slashdot 2-4 years ago.


      Legal even though there was an "unauthorized access" law or because there was no "unauthorized access" law? What was legal yesterday may not be legal today. Again, without looking at the case or the ruling, it's difficult for me to say the two issues addressed are the same.

      Having ignorant people hold back the rest of the world because they are too lazy to take some responsiblity for their configurations pisses me off.


      The problem (read the article) is that the intent of the owner is that the access point is legal to use within the confines of the coffee shop. Since that isn't configurable (how do you define physical boundaries in an access point?), the owner is left with the best possible configuration possible.

      The problem here is that you believe that everyone is a free loader. Some people are actually responsible and only use things that they have legal access to. I assure you legal professionals are very aware of the basic issue of legal access. It's only in the minds of people unfamiliar with the law that this issue is fuzzy. I called up a few fellow lawyers I know in regards to the issue. We all sided with the judge with regards to the his determination of the law.

      When in doubt about legal access, I'd ask the owner. The price of a cup of coffee is cheaper than a criminal record, legal fees, and/or punishment. Do as you wish. Be prepared for the consequences of your own action.
    165. Re:So using this logic.... by chrismcb · · Score: 1

      Who is the onus on? If I am walking down the street, do I need to make sure I am on a public sidewalk? Do I look for no tresspassing signs, private property signs, or "its ok to walk here" signs? And what happens if there is a sign that says "free wireless?"

    166. Re:So using this logic.... by Danse · · Score: 1

      More pertinently, I can't think of an occassion where a machine didn't give or refuse me something where the permission or lack thereof didn't come from the decisions of a human. Doesn't matter whether the human gave bad instructions, used a random process, or whatever. In the human and / or legal sense, the machine does not choose whether or not you have permission, and will not do so until true AI comes along.

      The permission is implied in most cases because the machines are programmed to control access by only granting it to those whom the owners want to give permission to. Like when you drive through the tollbooth and throw your money in. By opening the gate, the machine is granting you access to the tollway, and the permission for you to drive on it is implied. The human decisions are made in the programming and configuration of the machines. In the case of this wi-fi incident, I think that the shop advertising free wi-fi and the fact that the router was configured to grant access to any machine that made a request, should count as implied permission. The router gave his computer access to the network because it asked for it. There was nothing fraudulent about the transaction. So, I think the law is being applied in a ridiculous way, and the punishment is even more ridiculous. A felony on your record for connecting to a wi-fi network advertised as free, and which most laptops would connect to automatically without any input from the user? That's pretty sad.
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    167. Re:So using this logic.... by pbhj · · Score: 1

      >>> "What he did was in fact not a crime."

      The Judge clearly disagreed and so (pending appeal) this is _in_fact_ a crime. It may not have been a crime before but it is now.

    168. Re:So using this logic.... by TheGeneration · · Score: 1

      No no no, the router broadcast this packet which my wifi receiver picked up and it changed my computers state from not connected to connected. THAT ROUTER HAS RAPED MY SYSTEM AND I MUST SEEK LEGAL RECOURSE.

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    169. Re:So using this logic.... by Java+Ape · · Score: 1

      With physical property, the onus is on the owner to both demarkate the protected area and mark it as "no trespassing". For example, I own a couple of vacant lots in town. Kids play there, college students cut across them as a shortcut to the local 7-11 etc. It's MY land, shouldn't I be able to sue every man-jack of 'em for using my resource without permission? The answer is "NO". They're not violating a physical structure (which is assumed to have an implicit no-trespassing sign). I would have to fence (or otherwise deliniate) the area and post "No Trespassing" signs prominently around the perimeter before I can prosecute. The open, unfenced, unposted land is considered an implicit invitation. So why, for real property, does the lack of a fence imply permission, while in the wacko-world of IP using an open router is a crime? The physical property laws, to me, are pretty logical. For the record, I'm happy to see kids playing on the lots, and a bit less happy to have to pick of the trash folks drop there. However, I have no intention of slapping "No Trespassing" signs up and start suing folks. Can't we all just get along??? ;-)

    170. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In the real world", many objects come unsecured and it IS the responsibility of the owner to secure them. In some cases it isn't even the owner's choice: He is obliged by law to secure them and can be held responsible if he doesn't.

      The fact that access points come in an open preconfiguration does not absolve the owners from using the device adequately. The problem isn't with the people making the assumption that an open access point is actually open for anyone. The problem is with the people who use the technology inadequately and the manufacturers who make it unnecessarily easy to make that mistake. Treating open access points as public access points is the only sane way to share the frequency band with willfully open access points and securing an access point (if it is meant to be private) is the only way to actually and effectively make it private.

      The open=public assumption is not based on whether we think that people really thought "I shall leave this access point open so that anyone can use it to connect to the internet". It is based on the knowledge that any other assumption leads to more problems for everybody: the wireless surfer can no longer use willfully open access points, the shop owner can no longer provide easy access to his customers and the private access point owner depends on the law for security, even though it is inherently difficult to enforce and leaves the network vulnerable to (legal!) passive eavesdropping.

      If you have to make a law to solve this problem, require that network devices be sold in a private preconfiguration, so that an open configuration is always an active choice of the owner.

    171. Re:So using this logic.... by lgw · · Score: 1

      This would vary depending on where you live, but where I was a teenager in Texas is was definitely against the law to walk across someone elses property, sign or no sign. Of course, this may have just been a local law to allow the police to harass vagrants or teenagers or something.

      A better analogy, such as taking something of minimal value from someone's property, is more clear in the law.

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    172. Re:So using this logic.... by TechnicalFool · · Score: 1

      'Legal even though there was an "unauthorized access" law or because there was no "unauthorized access" law? What was legal yesterday may not be legal today. Again, without looking at the case or the ruling, it's difficult for me to say the two issues addressed are the same.'

      As far as I'm aware, if you host a service on the Internet and do not password protect it, that is an implicit declaration of a public server regardless of whether the host address is indexed by Google or not. The Internet is a public network, and you don't host services on it without expecting someone to find them.

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    173. Re:So using this logic.... by lgw · · Score: 1

      The guy being charged with a felony was both silly and legally correct. What do you expect when laws are made by politicians? But that's a different issue.

      These protocols extend permission on behalf of the owner. Extending permission to join a network can only be done by a human, because permission requires human intention. If DHCP (or a similar protocol) was configured intentionally by a human, then you have permission. If it was configured unintentionally by a human, then you don't have permission. Humans are moral agents, machines are not.

      If a shop displays an "Open" sign on the door, and the door unlocked, and the lights are on, and it's customary business hours, etc, a reasonable person would assume that this was intentional, and so even if the store was in fact closed you'd be pretty safe from burgulary or trespassing charges if you walked in. Not only because of the sign, but because of what the sign and other circumstances allow you to reasonably guess about the intentions of the owner.

      If the store displayed an "Open" sign, and the door is unlocked, but it's 3AM and all the lights are off and this sort of business isn't usually open at 3AM, etc, it's not reasonable to assume that this was intentional, and you do risk burgulary or trespassing charges if you walk in. The access protocol (the sign, the door lock) isn't what matters. The likely intentions of the owner are what matters.

      For a wireless access point, it's simply not reasonable to assume that if it's unsecured then it is the intention of the owner that anyone can have access, because it's clear that people aren't that technically sophisticated yet.

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    174. Re:So using this logic.... by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 1

      In this case, though, the default was intended by the WIFI owner. The coffee shop created an open, public access point -- they don't want a security requirement for any of their patrons who are actually inside the coffee shop. This case seems to be an instance of a social requirement for access that is undefined in the technology protocol -- "I want free and open access to anyone within the walls of my shop, and a security barrier for anyone outside." How can a shop owner create such a boundary? All the posts on this forum use the "it's wide open" as an argument that the people outside the shop can just connect freely. But the law argues that it isn't the router that you have to ask for permission -- it's the router's human owner. The law actually appears to cover a situation that the protocol does not take into account.

    175. Re:So using this logic.... by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And using the term "configured to give public access" is framing. The correct term is "unconfigured" in the vast majority of gateways. It's no more "configured to give public access" than a door that's been left unlocked is likewise.

      Putting an unconfigured neon "Open" and "Free Internet Here!" sign on your house in no way allows someone to claim that people are trespassing when they walk in looking for free Internet access. Remember, the access point tells everyone within range that it's open every second. That's like standing in your front yard next to your free Internet sign and shouting that everyone is welcome to use the Internet, and then calling the police when people come in. The problem is that people are buying "Free Internet Here!" and "Open" signs and plastering them to their house without a second thought.

      Web servers are intended for the dissemination of information to third parties. Wi-fi gateways are basic infrastructure, and can be reasonably be considered intended for the use of authorized parties only, given most people are unlikely to want anonymous third parties using their network without permission.

      The problem is, there is absolutely no precedent for assuming that wireless access points are a private network resource. There are far too many free and open access points whose purpose is explicitly that they be free and open that such a distinction would be foolish to make in general. Much better to define private networks as those with encryption or MAC filtering turned on. Remember, wireless networks operate in the *public* 2.4GHz spectrum which is free for all public use within some transmission power limits. Note that there are absolutely *no* laws against snooping or injecting audio into portable phones operating in the public spectrum. It would be silly to arrest someone for accidentally owning the same model of phone as their neighbor and breaking into their calls by mistake occasionally. This routinely happened before phones were built smart enough to do frequency hopping and basic authentication with their base station.

      A front door, however, can be reasonably assumed whether locked or unlocked to be a boundary over which a visitor cannot cross without explicit permission. The mistake of many on the "Unlocked WAP means I'm allowed in" argument is to assume such a state of affairs does not exist, and that you can reasonably make assumptions about whether you're allowed to do something on the basis of whether it's easy or not.

      Again, your argument discounts the fact that a fair number of wireless access points are intended for public use. There is no physically distinguishing factor to determine whether an access point is like the door to a private residence, the door to a private club (which is still a public place) or the door to a public business establishment. No way, that is, except the utterly trivial ability to set encryption, MAC filtering, or even a "PRIVATE xxxx" SSID. Basically, it's like posting a "Free Internet Access - Open for business!" sign on the front door of your house and complaining when people walk in looking for a computer terminal to use.

      As always, there's a solution: just ask. If you're afraid to ask someone if they'd mind if you used their Internet connection via their WAP, you might want to ask yourself whether you really have their consent.

      Who do you ask? It's not like wireless routers broadcast GPS coordinates and the owner's name and telephone number or anything. Even if you know approximately where the access point is, how do you find out who owns it so you can ask them? How do you know that the person you ask isn't just lying and saying you can use it? Without a physical presence, it is essentially impossible to establish actual ownership of a wireless router signal, or request permission to use it. That said, how are people supposed to use the real free wireless connections if they're threatened with going to jail if they accidentally connect to the wrong one? Soun

    176. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "AFAIK here in California, if you approach my house and the front door is closed such that you have to turn the doorknob to enter it, it's illegal to enter without a specific invitation. (EG: "Come on in" sign, me hollering for you to, whatever) But if the door is open, you can enter with impunity - having the door open can be considered an invitation to enter."

      What?! People are allowed to enter your house so long as your door is open? That sounds absurd. Could you imagine anyone being okay with you walking into their house and sitting on their couch just because they left their door open? I highly doubt that's considered entirely lawful. It's still private property, so regardless of how easy it is for someone to enter, it's still trespassing if they weren't invited. At least, I would assume so.

      I'd better remember to keep my doors closed next year when I'm living in California, left somebody such as yourself walks right in.

    177. Re:So using this logic.... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      When you ask yourself "am I allowed to use this network?", "I don't know" does not equal "yes". The onus is upon you to verify that you are not trespassing before proceeding.

      Nonetheless, actual tresspassing is either a civil offence, or a misdemeanor at worst (depending on jurisdiction). Simliarly to unauthorized use of an unsecured WAP, you may be "depriving" the property owner of its use by tresspassing, but the actual damage is minimal -- especially if he didn't notice it -- and the punishment fits the crime. Felon status has a serious and lasting effect on a person's life and reputation, and is quite excessive considering the actions and demeanor of this man. Additionally, in real-world tresspassing, the tresspassee is afforded the opportunity to cure the tresspass by leaving, while this man was never told to leave.

      Personally, I'd be boycotting the cafe for allowing charges to be brought. There's no reason the owner couldn't have forgiven the infringement, provided that the man did not continue to use his access point. If the man had caused actual damages, and/or degraded the performance of the network by, say, using a torrent, then puntitive action might be justified. In this case, however, A) the cafe didn't even notice, and B) once it was brought to their attention, if they cared, a simple "please leave" should have sufficed.

    178. Re:So using this logic.... by dwater · · Score: 1

      > A router is a piece of inanimate hardware, it can no more grant legal authority than can an equally inanimate doorknob. ...but a piece of paper is inanimate hardware, and people can use that to grant legal authority. Why not a router too?

      Heck, people use sound (ie speech) to grant legal authority too, so why not EM radiation?

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    179. Re:So using this logic.... by arashi+no+garou · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the First Offender Act. He's charged with a felony, but since he's never gotten in trouble before he gets the slap-on-the-wrist punishment and, once his sentencing is completed, nothing shows up on a criminal background check for most jobs. However, if he ever applies for a local, state or federal job it WILL show up. First Offender status is only hidden for personal and non-government employment background checks. Any government jobs, even contracted jobs, WILL see this felony on his record.

    180. Re:So using this logic.... by mikiN · · Score: 1

      "Oh no, not again!" (the bowl of petunias thought) /me shudders at the thought of large ugly disclaimers like "WARNING! By choosing 'None' as encryption method you are granting anyone access to your wireless network. <Company name> can not be held liable for any damage, financial or otherwise, resulting from this action" popping up in your face when configuring your AP, being printed on every 42nd page in the manual, stickered onto 3 sides of the box, engraved on the installation CD, etc., etc.

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    181. Re:So using this logic.... by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      When was the last time you saw a house with a sign like that on it?

      We call them "welcome mats". I don't know what they call them in the whacked out pedant-land you come from, though.

      confusing permission in the machine sense with permission in the human sense

      If the cafe owner intended otherwise, he should not have assigned a machine to stand watch at his network's "door".

      doubt the owner of the cafe gave the router any such instructions - more likely they just plugged it in

      He gave the machine instructions to do its job by plugging it in. It's job is to authenticate users and assign access methods upon request.

      the code running on that box has no concept of "I"

      Actually, it does. Network-wise, it keeps track of its own identity and gives that identity out as a reference to authenticated users to use as a gateway. It's express purpose for existence is to act as a gateway and gatekeeper, thus if the gateway was not intended to operate as it did, it should not exist in the situation in which it was placed.

      A more accurate description would be, "if the button is pushed then the door will open". Hence, the unlocked door.

      No, what I said was as accurate as could be stated without going into more detail about how routers and gateways work. It indeed performs more than just a blind "allow access" function.

      You, sir, lack both technical and social insight. Technically, the router gives access to anyone who gives it acceptable identification. What is acceptable is defined by the owner and operator of the router. The router is merely a mechanical agent doing exactly as its owner and operator instructed. It carries out its owner's will. Period. If the owner's will (as expressed to the router) changes, then the router changes. If the owner does not know how to express his will to the router (read: configure it to deny access), then he needs to unplug the router and find one that he can work with.

      It's not a matter of anthropomorphizing routers. It's a matter of assigning responsibility over equipment designed for access control. It's not trespassing if you give someone a key (or set up a machine explicitly for that purpose outside your door).

      Your argument falls apart completely with the "automatic door" example I gave you in my original post. In that instance, we're talking about a literal door on a literal building. A device controls building access. If the access device, while working properly and not bypassed or "tricked", allows access to the building for someone who passes all of your qualifications for entry, they legally have permission to enter. Period.

      And your entire mindset ignores the facts of this particular case, where the cafe owner explicitly stated that he didn't know that what the guy was doing was illegal. Note that he didn't say that he didn't know the guy was doing it. Note that he apparently has taken no steps to prevent such access (thus making access a matter of willful consent). He didn't even complain. Now why is this a problem?

    182. Re:So using this logic.... by KC9AIC · · Score: 1

      I've been to Sparta a number of times myself (they have cheap ice cream and fishing in the area), and I'd have to agree with you. There's almost nothing worthwhile for the cops to do, so they get their ego trips on busting people. Even when the person's computer picks up a publicly broadcasted SSID, asks for an IP address, is granted it, and then proceeds to perform perfectly legal activity over the connection he has been granted.

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    183. Re:So using this logic.... by zavyman · · Score: 1

      I'm not a lawyer, but I've studied real estate law. What you're talking about is called an "easement". If there's never been a fence around your front yard, people are free to cut across it. What's more, you can be prevented from even erecting a fence, once the precedent is set that people can do this. Future owners can be prevented from erecting a fence if past owners allowed such usage, as well.

      That's a public prescriptive easement, and you also have to satisfy the other adverse possession criteria (continuous and uninterrupted for the statutory period, without permission, and reasonably visible). And not all courts have the same opinion of public prescriptive easements, so YMMV.

    184. Re:So using this logic.... by GSloop · · Score: 1

      So, to be safe in Michigan, you'd need to get written and signed - perhaps even notarized - permisson to actually be safe using someone's wifi.

      Anything else puts you in jeopardy of a he said/she said prosecution, and if the jury/judge believes the testimony of the other party rather than you, you're screwed.

      There's simply no evidence you got permisson.

      And I'll say this. I've yet to see a WIFI client that doesn't work without SSID broadcast. (Can you give me an example of one that can't?)

      Further, there's a million capture portals out there.

      It seems to me that the law stares in the face of logic. It allows the "wifi owner" to shift the cost of configuing equipment properly to the user who innocently attempts to attach. (The fact of this case not withstanding - because it isn't clear to me exactly what the facts are...) If the AP broadcasts the SSID and gives a DHCP response - that's explicit permisson.

      Perhaps that's not what you intended, but with a little looking in the docs, or a relatively small cost for a capture portal - it's trivially easy to configure.

      If you're not willing to do that, and someone attaches to your system that you've left configured to give explicit permission - then IMO it's your problem - not the person who attaches.

      Sure, it may be the law, but it's an incredibly stupid law that, IMO, isn't legally defenseable. SSID broadcast and IP via DHCP ***ARE*** explicit permisson. It may be permission you didn't intend, but you left it as it was.

      Frankly, this law would make any "community" wireless system almost useless. It would require registration, or at least self-registration...and for a free service, it doesn't seem appropriate to force someone who wants to give away bandwidth to take additional steps to ensure people get additional "explicit" permission. (I suppose it could be done via wifidog - but to be practical, would require co-ordinated use of the auth system.) In short, it makes a community wireless, or an individual who intends to share bandwith very difficult.

      I'd say it's a terribly stupid law, and IMO, a decent lawyer would be able to shred it to pieces. However, the costs will be substantial because it will almost certainly require a trip to an appeals court and a very long time.

      -Greg

    185. Re:So using this logic.... by cliveholloway · · Score: 1

      If you're having trouble understanding the analogy, I don't see how further elaboration is going to help.

      Although, I can't believe you're that stupid, so nice trolling...

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    186. Re:So using this logic.... by GSloop · · Score: 1

      The cafe owner has a sign up that says it's for customers only. The cafe owner charges people to use wifi who don't purchase anything.. you can't argue that the default router configuration should override the will of the goddamn cafe owner.


      I forgot this...

      None of the linked sources I read mentioned ANYTHING about the owner not intending the user to use it.

      I quote...

      Indeed, neither did Donna May, the owner of the Union Street Cafe. "I didn't know it was really illegal, either," she told the TV station. "If he would have come in (to the coffee shop), it would have been fine."


      And no, it wouldn't have been fine. It would have required *EXPLICIT* permission, which just entering the coffe shop wouldn't have given. (I doubt he would have been prosecuted, but by the actual law, it requires "explicit" permission...and obviously SSID/DHCP acceptance isn't sufficient.)

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    187. Re:So using this logic.... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Dumb is not a valid excuse anymore. Not on this topic, and not for the last 4 or 5 years.

      Ah, that may be so. I have no experience with the windows side. Under linux, I hope being dumb is a valid excuse because it took me a while to set up a two pc home network, and getting it secured was another chore.

      Maybe I was dumb because I automatically bought linksys wi-fi cards for the pcs, because the tulip-based ethernet cards they made which first came with drivers on the diskette in the box (based on software libre drivers for DEC cards complete with GPL notice), and then were mainstreamed into every linux kernel, were such a safe bet for linux support. I saw but for some reason payed no mind to the prominent Cisco logo on the box, which should have been a warning. I blame a lack of research on my part.

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    188. Re:So using this logic.... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      But can the automatic door discriminate between customers and people who have been told (either by the proprieter or the courts) that they are not welcome?

      Well, you could build a door that way. For example, you could put a keyboard outside the door, and put up a sign that says "Type YOUR name to open the door". The door would then check what you typed in against a list of approved people, and only open the door if you are approved. Of course, this is easily defeated if you know the name of an approved person, but the fact that you are pretending to be someone else to get it to open would pretty much make it a clear tresspassing case. This would be equilivent to MAC filtering your AP, and I wouldn't have a problem with spoofing MAC address to access a MAC filtered network illegal.

      It's only not trespassing if you have permission. the fact that the door opens for you does not imply permission.

      What happens if the proprietor forgets to lock the doors after hours? Does the fact that the door opens for you imply that you have permission to be in the store when it is closed?


      What about the SSID? An AP broadcasting a SSID is saying "Hey everyone, there's a network here!", and would be a lot like the "OPEN" signs that most stores use. If the store doesn't have the "OPEN" sign up, or otherwise has an indication that they are open for business, then it could be tresspassing if you entered the store even if the door was unlocked. Much the same with AP's - turn off the broadcasting of the SSID and it would be like hanging a sign up by the door that says "PRIVATE PROPERTY" or similar.

    189. Re:So using this logic.... by tcampb01 · · Score: 1

      ...and I agree. I suspect the reason they wrote the law as they did was so that someone trying to piggy-back on a private network (e.g. sitting out on the street in a residential neighborhood and pinching off someone's unsecured WiFi where you clearly do NOT have permission and clearly the owner did NOT expect someone to be piggy-backing the network) would be protected by the law. But I think this is pretty stupid of the owner.

      This is like me deciding to store all my money in nice little stacks of dollar bills on my front lawn just inches off the sidewalk and expecting passers by to NOT pick it up by using the rationale that it's my land and I can store my money wherever I want. Compound this with the notion that the wind just blew my dollar bills off my lawn and down the street and you picked it up without even having to step into my yard and this is basically an analogy for what's happening here. Yes... he knew it wasn't his own dollar bill... but the owner of the money didn't even care enough to keep it from blowing away can they really complain that someone else picked it up?

      The means to "secure" a WiFi network are included with every WiFi network. Yes we all know that 128-bit WEP can be cracked in a minute (not to be confused with WPA which, so far, seems to be very secure)... but the mere fact that the network used any security at all (no matter how bad) implies that permission was not being freely granted to others to use the network.

      This situation is a coffee shop which allow open and free access to their network. Most businesses with more than one location have a sophisticated enough network that, even if the access is free, require users to click to accept some terms of service and acceptable usage before using the network. The owner of the shop apparently had nothing. They advertise a free network, allow their SSID to broadcast, no encryption, no page to accept terms of service or acceptable usage policy, which all pretty much implies that they've rolled out the welcome mat. Then all of a sudden they decide that one particular person was expected to know that they weren't welcome to use the network at a time when everyone else was welcome to use the same network (and I agree it's rude that he never purchased anything). We infer that the distinguishing factor was that he didn't go inside the coffee shop and make a purchase -- although the coffee shop doesn't apparently state that a purchase is required.

      I'm really having a hard time understanding how this guy was actually convicted of anything -- did this guy not have an attorney... or maybe just a really bad one?

    190. Re:So using this logic.... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Except that Federal law has been repeatedly held to mean that access is 'unauthorized' if and only if at some point it was indicated to the end use such access was not authorized, either by some sort of notification on their screen, a sign they can read, they have been informed in person, or there's a username and/or password prompt.

      It, admittedly, hasn't been tried with wifi access, but open wifi pretty much automatically rules out some sort of a prompt on screen, unless you can name the AP something clever and demonstrate they had to have read the name, and it rules out a physical sign unless you can show they read it, which won't work because people aren't require or even encouraged to go wandering around private property looking for signs.

      And, of course, an open wifi has no name or password required to use. (This is, however, why cracking an encryption key for it is illegal.)

      Ergo, under federal law, which incidentally is the template for a lot of state laws, using an open wifi is only 'unauthorized' if you've personally been notified by the operator of that computer network to stay off. (1)

      This town, however, noticed this, and apparently 'fixed' the laws. The problem is, 'fixing' the laws in this way probably made all access of computers and computer networks without permission illegal, which means they just outlawed the internet. There are only two ways to have the laws: One, what we have, allows use of any resources not specifically prohibited, which means idiots get their computer networks used by other people, and the other disallowed the use of any resources not specifically allowed, which means no internet. Pick one.

      Either that, or they didn't fix the laws, and this guy's lawyer is a moron.

      That guy should take his computer down there, run a copy of Network Stumbler with 'Query access points' disabled so he doesn't broadcast anything, and have the coffee shop brought up on charges because they're accessing his computer with AP broadcasts. Or, as the police would ignore that, do it to the police instead, or at leas the city government...if you catch the local police violating the law, that's when you get to call the FBI in.

      1) And, just to piss off people stupid enough to operate an open wifi AP and think they can 'protect' it by telling people to stay off it, if that happened to me, if someone noticed me using an open wifi access point and asked me to stop, I'd make them demonstrate they operated that network. You can't just wave your arms in midair and claim ownership of a radio network surrounding you, I don't have triangulation equipment on me that shows that it originates on your property, and even if it does, anyone on your property could be operating that and you have no right, under FCC rules, to restrict their operation of said network. Once they demonstrated they operated the network, I'd then make them lay out the exact boundaries their signal reached and the frequency it operated on. Maybe around this point they'd be getting a clue that maybe it would be easier to lock down their network and stop whining.

      If they didn't, the next step is to grab my spare AP and my inverter, stick them in my car, drive back over there, and have them log into my network and then demand they stop. I have as much right to use that frequency and AP name as they do.

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    191. Re:So using this logic.... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Really now? So the first packet you send someone should be illegal?

      So, you think the coffee shop owner should be in jail? The law I checked, wifi routers sit there and broadcast their name continually.

      What gives them the right to put a packet in my computer, but disallows me putting a packet in theirs in response? Especially as theirs is an advertisement the network exists (It's even called an advertisement) and mine is a question if I'm allowed to access them or not?

      If we're going to disallow some packets and not others, I think, logically, we should disallow the ones that say 'Hey, connect to me' when a router doesn't actually mean it, and not 'Hey, am I allowed to connect to you?' packets.

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    192. Re:So using this logic.... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Do I need to put my physical address in the SSID so they can come and ask?

      Can I just say, while I agree with you, that people should do this anyway? Maybe not their physical address, but some way to figure out who the damn operator of the network is?

      There have been dozens times I've run across networks I had no idea if they were intended to be open or not. I would have been willing to track the operator down, and ask, out of politeness, if I could use it, maybe even offering to held defray costs, maybe offering to secure it if they didn't want it public, and in one case offering to move one of the four damn wifi routers named 'linksys' off channel 6.

      I couldn't figure out who any of the people were.

      My wireless network, while encrypted, is named my last name. I've never had anyone contact me about it, and my ISP would prohibit me sharing the bandwidth, and I wouldn't really want to do that anyway, but they can track me down if I'm on a frequency they need to use or whatever.

      I'm beginning to think having a completely unlicensed spectrum was a mistake. There's a reason radio stations and ham operators are required to identify themselves.

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    193. Re:So using this logic.... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Under the law? You certainly were (trespassing) - you entered private property without permission. What the shop looks like or doesn't look like is irrelevant. In reality (under those circumstances), if you were charge you'd probably get off with a stern lecture from the judge for lack of good judgement (at least the first time).

      You are utterly incorrect. Trespassing law specifically is based on various standards, and the most important one is 'Did you know that area was intended to be private?'. Or, more accurately, would a reasonable person assume that area was intended to be private. Sometimes these assumptions are coded into law, sometimes they are not.

      If you did not know somewhere was intended to be private, you are not trespassing. It doesn't matter if the property owner thinks you are.

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    194. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. If you put a chair out on the sidewalk in front of your cafe with a sign that says "take me, I'm free," and a non-customer took it, you'd be laughed out of court if you argued that you "didn't realize the sign was visible to everybody, not just customers."

    195. Re:So using this logic.... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      What the hell are you talking about?

      If it doesn't open, of course it's not legal to ram it. Physically damaging other's property is illegal, but I fail to see how this even vaguely applies to the article here.

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    196. Re:So using this logic.... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Therefore, if you don't see that explicit authorization, you can assume you're not welcome.

      So, I assume you can produce the permission you were granted to access slashdot? No, the AUP doesn't count unless you managed to get that without, you know, contacting slashdot.org.

      When will you fools who don't understand how 'unauthorized access' is defined in the law shut the fuck up? Unauthorized access is when access has been disallowed, either via some automated means such as passwords, or via notifying the users in person. I.e., you think it's 'nonauthorized', but it would be better explained as 'disauthorized access', where authorization has been revoked.

      By default, you are allowed to access any computer and network without permission. The whole internet would be completely unusable otherwise.

      Personal revokations, of course, override automated acceptances, just like someone who's been barred from a store can't argue the door let them in and hence they weren't trespassing. I don't know why that's hard to understand, it's how trespassing law works.

      What doesn't work like trespassing law is the fact that all places are 'public'. If someone wanders into our house and into our bathroom while we're taking a shower, the law says they should have assumed that was not public and hence they are trespassing.

      With computers, the legal assumption is that everywhere that is not behind any sort of security system, like a username and password, is public. Everywhere. This makes sense because, unlike real property and doors and fences, which have existed for thousands of years, computers are still in flux and, just as important, it's much harder to make guesses from a distance about what the owner would find acceptable.

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    197. Re:So using this logic.... by analog_line · · Score: 1

      These places also have signs saying "Open" or "Closed", often with hours of operation posted nearby.

      Just because the door is unlocked, doesn't mean you're allowed to walk in if there's a big "Closed" sign on the front.

      "Linksys" doesn't translate as "I allow anyone that wishes to to connect to this network, enjoy" in any language I'm familiar with.

    198. Re:So using this logic.... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....The onus is upon you to verify that you are not trespassing before proceeding.......

      Totally wrong! All computers asks for permission by requesting a special number, an IP address via DHCP from the owner of the open WAP. If this special number is sent back, then that is the invitation to join the network and use it in the same manner as the owner's computer(s).

      In the baseball analogy it means that the owners of the ballpark have given explicit permission to watch the game AND and cheer my team.

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    199. Re:So using this logic.... by benplaut · · Score: 1

      Holy Shit! A talking doorknob!

    200. Re:So using this logic.... by boldra · · Score: 1

      Which seems to beg the question; "how do I know any radio service is free?" My gsm phone is connected to a network even when I'm not making a call. I assume that connection to each individual tower is free, but what if it isn't? What's the difference between what this guy did, and me going out on the balcony because I get a clearer connection to make a phone call?

      There are also certain scammers whose business is to pretend to be offering something for free, but then hit the recipient with a bill. This is like coffee shops from putting up "free internet access" signs, with terms and conditions available on a pamphlet under the desk in a back room where it says "$20/hour". This ruling will open the doors for all kinds of such scams.

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    201. Re:So using this logic.... by Obsi · · Score: 0

      It's because carparks make governments and businesses money. Open wifi doesn't.

    202. Re:So using this logic.... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ......Legally, since you can't transfer power of attorney to an inanimate object, this is legally dubious.......

      Not true. Any door to any business that is open or unlocked speaks for the shop owner: Please come in and do business with us. I can go into most stores, look around and then not buy anything. Last time I looked, doors were an inanimate object. A free router is such an open door in cyberspace. This has nothing to do with a power of attorney.

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    203. Re:So using this logic.... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ......As always, there's a solution: just ask........

      That's the whole point. The computer, as my representative does ASK. The WAP as the owner's representative gives explicit permission by giving my computer access to the network by issuing a special key, the IP address. If the owner of the WAP does NOT want his/her representative to give such access, it must specifically instruct it by adding a password or other requirements.

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    204. Re:So using this logic.... by arminw · · Score: 1

      .....If you put a private wireless router up without encryption, it's an attractive nuisance .......

      I'd call it a public service, not a nuisance. For whom is it a nuisance? What business is it of the state to tell me whom I am allowed to be friends with. If I consider anyone who knocks on my door a friend, why should anyone be allowed to tell me otherwise?

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    205. Re:So using this logic.... by arminw · · Score: 1

      .....A router is a piece of inanimate hardware, it can no more grant legal authority than can an equally inanimate doorknob.....

      A router is NOT an inactive thing like a door knob. It is the owners representative and ACTIVELY gives my representative (my computer) a special magic number (IP address) so it can access the owner's network. The owner may instruct the WAP to not give this active permission.

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    206. Re:So using this logic.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you seem to not understand how the network and the internets work.

      I don't ask myself, "am I allowed to use this network?" I ask the NETWORK if I'm allowed to use the network. It the network says, "SURE COME ON IN" and keeps talking to me, I'm allowed to use the network. consent to use computer resources and networks on the internet is implied if there is no security or attempt to prevent use. that's how it all works. that's why you can access any web site on the internet without first aquiring permission from every site owner.

    207. Re:So using this logic.... by u8i9o0 · · Score: 1

      Oops - when debating definitions, it helps to see the given definitions. That'll teach me.

      I see that you're right: Sec.7.(6)(c) does invalidate any claim that he committed unauthorized access/use. Convicted of a crime he didn't commit.

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    208. Re:So using this logic.... by someone300 · · Score: 1

      What if it replied in French? How about if it replied in morse code? How about if it sent that morse code signal to my wireless to grant access, and that was how it was intended to work?

      How about if the doorknob said "Yes", but I knew that it was mistaking me for my twin brother and that I wasn't allowed entry.

      I think that, quite often, computer systems grant permission based on non english signals, such as, trying to access a file on a webserver and it being granted rather than "Yes you can access this file".

      Of course, a computer granting permission doesn't mean that you have legal access, since you may be knowingly and purposely 'tricking' it into letting you in, like a hacker does.

      I'm not trying to criticise you in any way; I don't know the law, I only know what I feel is right. The whole issue is full of spikes and traps.. I don't think there is much of a universal rule, and really I think there are probably certain circumstances that can be deemed as a 'misunderstanding' on both parts, rather than one party being wrong and one being right.

      From what I can gather, I think this guy had a crap lawyer AND the law itself is crap.

    209. Re:So using this logic.... by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      "The permission is implied in most cases" is a rather interesting example of throwing logic out the window, while trying to maintain an appearance of logic. You're not a professional spin doctor, are you? You would appear to work on the principle, "when logic doesn't work, make stuff up".

      First off, we're talking about a specific case. It makes no sense to me to make an assumption that a cafe owner with an unsecure, wide open network has engaged in any programmatic or configuration exercises to consider permissions. The design of a lockable door embodies some logic. If somebody installs a front door but does not lock it, leaving it in an open configuration does not imply permission to enter the house. It simply grants easy access.

      Further, the tollbooth example is hardly just an implication, the very nature of a toll booth is to charge a toll. Upon receiving it, you have permission to use the road. There are typically signs indicating that there is a charge that make it very clear permission is dependent on paying a fee. There is precendence going back centuries, understood around the globe. In the human and legal sense (you seem very keen on inapplicable machine logic to explain this), there is no need to have a much in the way of signage or T&C's for drivers to read before approaching the toll.

      There would at least be some logic to your point about the shop advertising free wi-fi, but since there is no mention of such in TFA, or the article it links to, you really are just making stuff up there. And even then, you would need some context - it's entirely possible to advertise free wi-fi that is clearly intended for paying customers.

    210. Re:So using this logic.... by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      Rather a pedant than a moron, my intellectually challenged friend. If you can't be pedantic on Slashdot, what's the point?

      RE lacking social insight - I don't think so. I'm aware I've started a flame war. Forgive me, I've not indulged in years, and your poor logic is asking for it. At least I bring with me enough social, legal, technical and philosophical arguments to be confident you're wrong. You on the other hand seem to be coming from the classic "because it's possible, it's ok" line of self-indulgent thinking.

      Have you ever seen a welcome mat with wording like "Push the button and I'll open the door if you meet my criteria"? Doesn't sound overly welcoming to me. I've seen "Welcome", "Home Sweet Home" and suchlike, but yours sounds like the workings of an unhinged mind.

      You make the point about "someone who passes all of your qualifications for entry" - well, no shit Sherlock. But take your strawman arguments elsewhere and try to stay focused. The deliberate, physical and human act of handing over a key is fundamentally different from the default programmed-in-the-factory behaviour of a router. If you are still actually drawing such parallels - oh, dear.

      If I leave the door unlocked, strictly speaking an act of configuration, I may have opened up access to everyone but I've not given permission. If you are still confusing the meaning of "permission" in its machanistic as compared to legal sense - oh, dear.

      As part of my job, I advise for multinationals around IT management systems, including networks and identity management. Policy-based identity models, compliance requirements, allocation of responsibility and suchlike. Based on my experience, I'm fairly sure you're wrong. But please, go into "more detail about how routers and gateways work". It would be fascinating to hear of a technical design you've conceived that changes what everyone else in the field considers as the standard legal standpoint, or perhaps for philosophers might call the human meaning of the word "identity".

      My entire mindset doesn't ignore the facts of this particular case - you're letting your lack of clarity interfere again! For instance, an important point about this is the regular habit of the gentleman involved - this isn't a one off automatic logon conducted in the background by the technology. I'm just having fun with some people who clearly doesn't know what they're talking about. You're attempting to justify a basically self-interested and anti-social point of view, which is fair game for flaming in my book.

      Personally, I would just have told the guy to go elsewhere, or buy a coffee. I'd prefer to see the cafe guy to be able to leave the router open. It's technically simpler, and keeps the world more friendly and trusting. It keeps human interactions out in the open, not hidden in the depths of a networking protocol. My living depends not just on understanding technology, but it's application and implications. The story shows there are other ways to prevent freeloaders. Yet to have that discussion, the starting point is realising that the freeloader is in the wrong.

      Yes, this is all trivial, but on serious matters I don't start flamewars. Again, if you can't be pedantic on Slashdot, where can you be? It is out of simple examples like this that we learn to deal with bigger systems and situations. Exchanges like this can be learning ones, and I'm in the middle of some nasty work that I need a break from. I'm always hopeful that people can see sense even when the other party is annoying them.

      Because not being able to think clearly? That would annoy me more than any attempt at an insult.

    211. Re:So using this logic.... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      An SSID is a mechanism to IDENTIFY INDIVIDUAL NETWORKS. It is not a sign that says "Take me" (unless you set it to something clearly interpretable as such.)

      Honestly, this argument has been made many times before, and it gets even more idiotic the more it's argued. Someone just posted, in all seriousness, that connecting to a WAP is comparable to opening a door using a button that has a massive sign on it saying "I'll open this door if you fit my criteria. You, in what appears to be a normal slashgeek's complete inability to understand English, are now saying the presence of an IDENTIFYING LABEL means the same thing as "I'll open this door if you fit my criteria". When the FUCK has "Linksys" or "mynet" or "1832johnsonave" meant "I'll open this door if you fit my criteria"?

      I assume the easily seen in public street number on my house is an open invitation to enter my home if I accidentally leave the door unlocked too! "Dude! He was practically inviting me in with that bit "1832" above the door!"

      Your insistence on redefining the meaning of infrastructure terms to mean something clearly at odds with what they do mean incidentally just makes it harder to use the features of the technologies available. People now have two choices in your world - they can invite hackers, or they can make it difficult to find their own networks automatically. What a great choice. What a champion for userfriendliness and plug-and-play technologies you are!

      As I've said before, if you want to use someone else's network, you can always fucking ask. You wouldn't treat an unlocked front door as permission to use someone's bathroom. You shouldn't treat an unsecured network as permission to use the owner's Internet connection. Go ask: the only reason you're not asking is because you know the answer's going to be no, which is why you're inventing excuses.

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    212. Re:So using this logic.... by Danse · · Score: 1

      Further, the tollbooth example is hardly just an implication, the very nature of a toll booth is to charge a toll. Upon receiving it, you have permission to use the road.

      Yep, and I doubt that they set them up to let people through for free, but that's just what people do with their wireless access points. The very nature of a wireless access point is to allow or deny permission for computers to connect to the network. If your request is granted and you are assigned an address on the network, then you have permission to use the network. It can be configured to use any of a number of methods of determining who should be granted access. The simplest configuration is to simply grant everyone access who requests it. I'm tired of people not taking responsibility for their networks and constantly trying to shift the blame when they haven't even taken the most rudimentary steps to prevent unwanted access to their networks. Your router comes configured to give everyone access. It has a warning in the instructions telling you this. If you don't want it to give everyone access, then don't leave it configured to do so. Just like they wouldn't leave a tollbooth configured to let people through for free.

      First off, we're talking about a specific case. It makes no sense to me to make an assumption that a cafe owner with an unsecure, wide open network has engaged in any programmatic or configuration exercises to consider permissions.

      The owner is informed by the documentation, usually in big red print, that the router is not secured by default, and that he should secure it and use a strong password when setting it up. If he chose to ignore this, then he is, by default, allowing anyone to connect to the acces point.

      I'm also thinking that this Michigan guy should have gotten a decent lawyer, as from what I've read, the Michigan law requires that you make some attempt to circumvent a login procedure in order to gain fraudulent access to a network in order for the law to apply. In the case where a simple DHCP request is granted and the router assigns you an IP, authorization is implied. The guy's lawyer is probably ignorant of either this law or of computers or both. Not surprising since this is apparently the first time someone has been prosecuted under this law. It's one thing to hack into someone's network, but it's quite another to connect to a wireless access point that requires no login, which most newer laptops will do automatically without even asking.
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    213. Re:So using this logic.... by Big_Al_B · · Score: 1

      As in the other thread, you're arguning that one party--the one with a *passive* wi-fi client, running a default configuration, is criminally liable on a felony scale for turning on his laptop within range of the open WAP. You are also arguing that the coffeeshop proprietor is not criminally liable for running a WAP that *actively* seeks to grant network access to the passive client.

      Punishing the passive party seems like a backward application of the law to me. If the "unauthorized computer access" law was indeed broken here, isn't it by the WAP owner, who is running a "computer" that actively seeks to connect to passive devices within its radio range without regard to receiving the owners' authorizations or not?

      [strawman]
      Perhaps you are arguing that even if this guy's wifi-enabled laptop receives an IP from the open WAP, he would not be liable if he simply respected the owner's signage regarding wi-fi usage and completely refrained from using network applications.

      Within your interpretation though, from a legal perspective, he still broke the law though. Because he still gained network access--by receiving a functional IP from the WAP--even if he doesn't use it. With both parties running default configs, the technology turns him into a felon regardless of his respect for the owner's sign.
      [/strawman]

    214. Re:So using this logic.... by Big_Al_B · · Score: 1
      BTW this is just not true at all:

      No.. it's a FREEKING requirement for WIFI to work. A lot of clients can't connect to so-called "hidden" networks Any 802.11 client can connect to a WAP that is not broadcasting its SSID if that SSID is manually configured on the client. Any client that doesn't is noncompliant with every 802.11 standard--and in all my years of wi-fi networking, I've never encountered one that broken.
    215. Re:So using this logic.... by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      Oh please, let's see some real logic here. Since when has anyone provided a free wifi service that they charge for? There's a subtle contradiction there - see if you can find it.

      The fundamental purpose of a tollbooth is to charge tolls (and by derivation, not implication, deny access to those who do not pay). The fundamental purpose of a wireless access point is to provide wireless access. There's a subtle hint in the names - see if you can find that, too.

      A tollbooth is *always* about enforcing permissions. It does not provide access at all, a function that is performed by the road itself. It is only built to *deny* access, based on permissions clearly established. In contrast a wireless access point is *always* about wireless access. Permissions are a separate thing, and not necessarily enforced by technical means. An owner may not choose to "build a tollbooth" by configuring access controls for good reason.

      The purpose of this particular wireless access point is to give access to the cafe's customers. It would be an entirely reasonable technical and security policy decision to simply leave it open, and only to resolve any issues that result from this on a case-by-case basis. It's the easiest way to deliver upon the purpose of the access point, with little associated risk.

      The likelihood of e.g. slow network access due to excess network traffic is much smaller than the potential hassle of resolving a customers login issues. The owner has every right to use the out-of-box configuration, and has reasons for doing so. The technical solution is fit-for-purpose.

      The man in the wrong was caught. He should have known, cause this wasn't a one-off automatic login but repeat behaviour. Why not buy a cup of coffee? Only polite, and pretty obvious to be the "right thing to do". Turns out it's also legal responsibility. Could have seen it coming, and gotta take responsibility for your own actions. Pretty straight forward to me.

      I'd hate to live in a culture where you have to take responsibility for other people's actions, which means rules, legislations, lawyers, and wasted time and effort. Not straight forward, suddenly everybody's got to know what might only be obvious to people with specific domain knowledge, and establishes the principle that if you can physically do it, it's got to be alright. You sure that is the kind of logic you want to embody in the law?

    216. Re:So using this logic.... by GSloop · · Score: 1
      You're being plain dumb.

      There's no requirement to broadcast it. And further, just to be pedantic, it's an AP identifier, NOT a network one. (Because any network can have many AP's)

      If you put up a sign that said - "The code to open the door is: ABC" - then prosecuted anyone who does, perhaps your argument is consistant. But I doubt you'd argue that. A SSID broadcast is an advertisiment of service. It's not a label. If you don't broadcast it, then it's a label.

      You can turn SSID broadcasts off, and still connect. It's really quite easy to do. You just tell the wireless software to connect to your AP on channel X, and use SSID "ABC."

      Now that isn't as convienient, but it can be done.

      But if you broadcast (advertise) service, someone's going to assume you can connect to that service. If you don't want them to connect, you either use a capture portal, or you use a static IP assignment, or prevent the DHCP server from granting an IP.

      But frankly, how I can know where that AP is actually located. In any reasonably dense location around here, my wireless card will detect anywhere from 4-12+ AP's. Probably more than half will be completely unsecure. So, do I just go knocking on doors until I find the right place? Or perhaps I ought to get out my directional wireless antenna and attempt to triangulate the AP, right?

      I live in Portland OR, by the way - and we have a very vibrant open AP network community here. Many people leave their AP's open and really don't care if anyone connects to it. (Especially if they can ensure their machines aren't personally attacked... I don't agree with this stance, as I think it's foolish, but that's not the point.)

      Finding the AP owner in any setting can be daunting. I rarely connect to someone else's AP, but if it advertises service, (SSID broadcast) and hands out IP's and doesn't filter traffic or offer a capture portal, I believe I'm legally reasonable in using it.

      I tend to use SSL wrapped sessions via VPN and etc, but I still use it if I need to.

      I find no need to ask, when the "sign" (SSID broadcast) is an invitation to use, and when the equipment explicitly grants me access and handles my traffic properly. I really have no idea if they intend to "share" or not, and probably, around here at least, it's a 50/50 chance. But they chose to ignore perfectly reasonable documentation, and run it open. That's nice. If you don't want to do that, go ahead and read a few more pages and use trivial steps to setup security.

      In fact, I personally have a published document that explains all this in very clear terms - exactly what you need to choose for options and why. I have distributed this to literally thousands of people - it goes out in a marketing packet I send - and I can count on a SINGLE HAND the number of people who have taken this seriously and inquired further. (I just setup a capture portal for a client last week too, so it's not like I'm not aware of the possibilties.)

      So, I simply don't have much sympathy to those who claim they didn't know. They didn't attempt in any serious way to find out. They, intentionally or not, left their equipment configured to share. If they don't want to share, there are easy steps to prevent it.

      I mean, freak - google this "wireless internet secure"
      The very first link that comes up...

      http://www.practicallynetworked.com/support/wirele ss_secure.htm
      Securing your Wireless Network
      Secure Your LAN
      LAN Security Threats

      LAN Security Tools

      Wireless Networking Security

      These days wireless networking products are so ubiquitous and inexpensive that just about anyone can set up a WLAN in a matter of minutes with less than $100 worth of equipment. This widespread use of wireless networks means that there may be dozens of potential network intruders lurking within range of your home or office WLAN.

      What can I do?

      Most WLAN

    217. Re:So using this logic.... by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      You act as if configuration is different from permission. It is not, and it never will be.

      Locking a door is not configuration. Having a router with authentication on it (much like your limited "just plugged it in" explanation) is not configuration.

      Configuration is intent. It requires that you perform the act of configuring it, thus you cannot configure something without knowing it. If this guy had said "I didn't know he could do that, yeah, I'm pissed that he didn't buy coffee and just sponged my connection!" then I would've said this was trespassing. But the coffee shop owner didn't do that. He clearly intended for this to be used as it was being used. That's configuration, and it's also intent. Intent is a very human thing, and its direct relationship to a mechanical configuration eludes your poor, tired, beleaguered mind.

      There's nothing anti-social or self-interested about this. Perhaps you should try thinking clearly yourself.

    218. Re:So using this logic.... by ContractualObligatio · · Score: 1

      Oh dear.

      Try looking configuration up in a dictionary, and see if you can figure out any of the many and varied ways you are wrong.

      If you can't understand reasonable simple words, I'm not sure whether you're capable of discussing the anti-social or self-interested aspect of the story. I grant you these are more matters of opinion and judgement. Can you even play devil's advocate with yourself and present an argument for why some people would consider the guy's actions to be anti-social or self-interested?

    219. Re:So using this logic.... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Legally - it is not the owners representative, as it cannot be given Power of Attorney. It's inanimate, just like a doorknob. As I said, and you fail to understand, you confuse network permission with legal authority - the two are not the same.

    220. Re:So using this logic.... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...as it cannot be given Power of Attorney....

      So what dies this have to do with power of attorney? If I allow a visitor into my house, I do not give him/her power of attorney. Neither does this happen if I allow someone to use my network. I just through my router, "Sure, come and use my network". Power of attorney has to do with me granting power to another to accomplish legal matters on my behalf. There is nothing of that sort even remotely involved here.

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    221. Re:So using this logic.... by Criton · · Score: 1

      Yes the very fact he now has a mark on his record for such a trivial transgression is a failure of the US justice system stuff like this just makes me sick. He will not able able to own a firearm even though it was a non violent offense and the owner didn't even press charges ,may have trouble finding employment in the future and may not be able to vote "which is something I find wrong even if you committed a serious crime and served your time since being able to vote is a basic human right." The system has become a joke and the laws need to be changed punishment should fit the crime this is not the dark ages. If there is any justice in the system he should be able to get a lawyer and change this stupid and brain dead law and get that mark removed from his record.

    222. Re:So using this logic.... by Criton · · Score: 1

      One issue about the 1mph over the speed limit speedometers and radar guns are not accurate within 1mph a ticket like that should be fought in court . But yes the cop was being a raging asshole as even an idiot would know it's not a real crime it wasn't like the guy broke into a bank mainframe and inserted a script that skimmed $2 or so off ever transaction thus stealing millions of dollars or tricked some senior citizen into forking over 4 grand in some prize scam. I'm just sick of laws and law enforcement that basically rapes people's civil rights over little petty stuff like this or being in possession of a single joint while real criminals run free.

    223. Re:So using this logic.... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      So what dies this have to do with power of attorney?

      If you read my message - what a Power of Attorney has to do with the situation is abundantly clear.
       
       

      If I allow a visitor into my house, I do not give him/her power of attorney. Neither does this happen if I allow someone to use my network. I just through my router, "Sure, come and use my network".

      I see... You aren't interested in thinking, or facts, just in making analogies where the two items involved have about as much in common as fish and bicycles.
    224. Re:So using this logic.... by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      I'd call it a public service, not a nuisance. For whom is it a nuisance? What business is it of the state to tell me whom I am allowed to be friends with. If I consider anyone who knocks on my door a friend, why should anyone be allowed to tell me otherwise?

      It becomes an attractive nuisance when cops start arresting people for accessing them without provocation from the owner of the access point. They're effectively facilitating a crime because people can't differentiate between a "legitimate" access point and an "illegal" one. Obviously the distinction is only in the heads of the stupid police officers and district attorneys who actually prosecute these cases, but as soon as they make that decision they have caused all public access points to become attractive nuisances. By turning on an unsecured private wireless router, you are inviting criminal behavior from any passerby who might accidentally or intentionally connect to it. The solution is obvious; get rid of the stupid cops and idiot lawyers who think unsecured access points can be considered private, and the attractive nuisance goes away.

    225. Re:So using this logic.... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ..... get rid of the stupid cops and idiot lawyers who think unsecured access points can be considered private,......

      I agree with you, but I think the root of the problem is one level or more up. Get rid of the stupid politicians who make such nutty laws which zealous cops and lawyers can use to harass ordinary citizens. The cops just think they are doing their jobs and the lawyers all are only interested in making money. Few, if any, in government today, are concerned with common sense and justice any longer.

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    226. Re:So using this logic.... by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      I don't think there is any law specifically about wireless access points, at least not any state or federal law. City ordinances are already horribly convoluted and useless.

      As far as I know, every prosecution of wireless Internet "theft" has been based on the Federal computer abuse acts that say it's illegal to access a computer system unless authorized to do so. The problem is that they don't see a broadcasted SSID and DHCP responses as sufficient authorization, apparently.

  3. Criminal? by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

    If this were a civil offense and not a criminal, wouldn't they have to prove damages?

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  4. I feel safer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you for maintaining the peace, officer.

  5. Inconsistant article by JamesD_UK · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Something in the summary doesn't make sense. "Free WiFi" implies that this was a service provided by the coffee shop but the rest of the article reads as if it was simply an open wireless network that the coffee shop was using for their business. From reading the article it appears to be the later case and the man simply assumed that because the network was open the cafe was providing it for their customers.

    1. Re:Inconsistant article by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative
      No. This is what the coffee shop owner told a TV station, FTFA:

      "I didn't know it was really illegal, either," she told the TV station. "If he would have come in (to the coffee shop), it would have been fine."


      So it seems this service was provided by the coffee shop. IOW, in Michigan, it is a felony to sit outside a coffee shop or other establishment with "Free WiFi" without buying something.

    2. Re:Inconsistant article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *** open the cafe was providing it for their customers. ***

      Ah, there's the rub! Keyword being customers. Sitting outside in your car, never going in, and being a "customer" sorta brings it to the point, doesn't it?

    3. Re:Inconsistant article by Country_hacker · · Score: 1

      IOW, in Michigan, it is a felony

      IANAL, so please excuse my ignorance, but doesn't the definition of 'felony' mean it's against the law in all 50 states? ie, a federal law??
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    4. Re:Inconsistant article by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      IOW, in Michigan, it is a felony to sit outside a coffee shop or other establishment with "Free WiFi" without buying something.


      No, I'm pretty sure that its not a felony to sit outside a coffee shop or other establishment with "free wifi" without buying something.

      It may be a felony to access their Wifi without buying something, but I'm pretty sure just sitting is okay. You might get in trouble for "loitering" or something like that, but that's not a felony, and has little to do with whether the location has "free wifi".
    5. Re:Inconsistant article by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Like the other guy said. But felony, misdemeanor, larceny, etc. refer to different classifications of crime. Misdemeanors, as the name implies, are usually crimes of fairly low severity, and cause little damage. For example, shoplifting is usually a misdemeanor, while robbing someone at gunpoint is always a felony. Larceny refers to a class of crimes that purely involves theft. Felony is usually reserved for violent crimes: murder, rape, robbery, etc. The biggest difference is in sentencing minimums and maximums.

      Some crimes can be charged at different levels, depending on severity: simple assault is a misdemeanor, while aggravated assault can be charged as a felony. Misdemeanors usually carry sentences of 0-90 days in jail and/or a fine. Felonies usually carry stiffer penalties like 10-15 or 15-25 or 25-life, depending on severity. Different states have different laws as to what acts constitute misdemeanor, larceny and felony.

    6. Re:Inconsistant article by Country_hacker · · Score: 1

      Awesome, thanks for the information. Nice to know using someone's free, meant-to-be-used wi-fi ranks up there with murder, rape, etc. :-/

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    7. Re:Inconsistant article by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      I suppose you're the type of person who would correct me if I used the term the "State of Massachusetts".

      You know what I meant: "Sitting outside a coffee shop or other establishment with 'Free WiFi' in order to access said 'Free WiFi' without buying something constitutes a felony in the State of Michigan."

    8. Re:Inconsistant article by PhilipMckrack · · Score: 1

      If it's only for customers then password it and give out the passwords when they place an order. If it's free to any potential customer, then maybe he was sitting in his car getting ready to go in, just as someone may be sitting in a booth getting ready to place an order.

      That's like placing a free sample of bagels and cream cheese outside your store with no sign saying customers only and getting upset if someone walks by and helps themself to a piece. If you want it to be for customers only then secure it (put it inside at the checkout line rather than outside with no one around or put a sign on it saying free sample with purchase)

    9. Re:Inconsistant article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sitting outside in your car, never going in, and being a "customer" sorta brings it to the point, doesn't it?

      Does the sign say "Free WiFi!" or "Free WiFi for customers!"? One woul dbe an open invitation, one is a restricted invitation. All my logins say "Go away if you are not specificly authorized to use this device to perform and approve maintenance procedure" or some such. Had he hired a lawyer, I imagine the case would be dismissed. This is why we put up wit them...

    10. Re:Inconsistant article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was sitting in his car for several months. He would be there for up to a few hours--never going inside. The cops were called because the owner was suspicious that, after a few months, the guy could have been doing something illegal (other than getting free access).

    11. Re:Inconsistant article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, hello? It's the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

    12. Re:Inconsistant article by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Um, hello? It's the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.


      To quote Jamie McCarthy: "We *know*."

    13. Re:Inconsistant article by furball · · Score: 1

      IOW, in Michigan, it is a felony to sit outside a coffee shop or other establishment with "Free WiFi" without buying something.


      No, that's the incorrect interpretation of the law. Read what the owner said. Authorization is given within the confines of the shop (the owner did not specify purchase). Authorization comes from the owner, not from the configuration on the device despite what the Slashdot community may believe to be correct. The intent of the owner trumps all configurations from a legal perspective.

      When in doubt, ask. Don't assume and get yourself into legal trouble.
    14. Re:Inconsistant article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *** open the cafe was providing it for their customers. ***

      Ah, there's the rub! Keyword being customers. Sitting outside in your car, never going in, and being a "customer" sorta brings it to the point, doesn't it? If that is the case then it is a part of their service/product.

      If they are providing it as a product to their "customers", perhaps they shouldn't be leaving their products lying in the street for people to pick up (who then get charged with a crime for doing so).

      Sorry, it's the cafe owner(s)/operator(s) fault.

      (Though, if they had been using any encryption - even just disabled SSID and/or had a mac filter list! - I would think differently.)
    15. Re:Inconsistant article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The intent of the owner trumps all configurations from a legal perspective.

      And the law trumps the intent of the owner. If you actually read the article, even the owner of the shop was surprised that this was against the law, and ends up concluding that it would *probably* be legal if the guy had bought a cup of coffee.

      If this was about the intent of the owner, the owner would not be guessing about the requirements for this to be legal.

  6. "unauthorized use"? by tedshultz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "unauthorized use" sounds like a tricky term to me. Every day people need to guess if they are authorized to be somewhere or not (I assume I'm allowed in an unlocked store during business hours, I assume I would be unwelcome if I broke in at night). I usually use the assumption that people are willing to share their wifi if it is unsecured. That's exactly what I do at my home by leaving an old access point open outside my firewall. I realized that I'm taking on a little liability to let my neighbors use my wifi, but I figure the goodwill is worth the risk.

    1. Re:"unauthorized use"? by raydobbs · · Score: 1

      If I remember my Business Law classes correctly, a public business like a store or coffee shop is expressly permitted for all to enter unless you have specifically been prohibited to enter. Hence the store cannot simply file trespassing charges against a person arguing they had no right to be there during business hours - they would have to formally remove them from the premises for something like shoplifting or other gross violation - then if that person re-enters the premises; then they ARE trespassing as they have been expressely prohibited to enter the store.

      Oh, BTW - IANAL. Just a business administration major.

    2. Re:"unauthorized use"? by goldspider · · Score: 1

      Sometimes in the winter, my front door doesn't always shut tight. When I come home, I'll occasionally find that my door was blown open by wind.

      Are you saying that people can reasonably assume, because my door happens to be wide open while I'm away at work, that they are welcome to enter my house and take a look around?

      Yes, it is up to me to secure my home. But failure to do so does not imply an invitation to anyone to come on in. I think (what I call) "digital trespassing" laws are perfectly reasonable.

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    3. Re:"unauthorized use"? by RockoTDF · · Score: 1

      That analogy is so overused and overrated! It is completely different from the situation at hand since a home is private property and it's common knowledge that one does not just enter the home of someone else. I see how if someone used an open Wifi connection to start hacking a network or doing something else illegal/wrong that they can't just say "but it was open!" like your house analogy.

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    4. Re:"unauthorized use"? by goldspider · · Score: 1

      Are you suggesting that the coffee store's network wasn't the private property of the store's owner?

      Even if someone who enters my house doesn't steal or break anything, they are still trespassing. The same applies to my yard, regardless of whether or not there is a gated fence around it.

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    5. Re:"unauthorized use"? by jgoemat · · Score: 1

      Are you saying that people can reasonably assume, because my door happens to be wide open while I'm away at work, that they are welcome to enter my house and take a look around?
      More like you are selling your house and there's a big sign in your yard announcing "open house" with refreshments and brochures available, then you arrest someone for trespassing because they went in the basement and they weren't supposed to even though they didn't know it.
    6. Re:"unauthorized use"? by RockoTDF · · Score: 1

      But the owner had it open so that people could actually use it. If it were a network in someone's home and they were just too lazy to put a WPA key on it or whatever and some dude was sitting outside in his car getting into it, that would be different.

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    7. Re:"unauthorized use"? by goldspider · · Score: 1

      "But the owner had it open so that people could actually use it."

      Joe Citizen can't (or at least shouldn't, IMHO) assume the owner's intent by virtue of the open AP alone. An AP that was deliberately left open works the same as one left open through ignorance or laziness.

      All this aside, they guy shouldn't be slapped with a felony on his record. I think a misdemeanor on scale with trespassing is appropriate.

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    8. Re:"unauthorized use"? by goldspider · · Score: 1

      The difference between my scenario and yours is that mine actually happens (the door part, not the trespassers) and yours is absurd.

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    9. Re:"unauthorized use"? by mini+me · · Score: 1

      But in this case, not only is your door wide open (no encryption), but your servant is also there inviting the person in (SSID). While the servant can't speak for you, one can only assume he is acting upon your wishes.

    10. Re:"unauthorized use"? by goldspider · · Score: 1

      I think your "servant" is more analogous to my house number located next to my door, or perhaps the mailbox with my last name on it.

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    11. Re:"unauthorized use"? by mini+me · · Score: 1

      That would only be true if your house number compelled most people to enter your home, like how Windows will automatically connect to any network it finds. Like the servant, SSID is telling any passer by to "come on in."

    12. Re:"unauthorized use"? by Atzanteol · · Score: 1
      Are you saying I can't just enter a store because the door was open?

      This is why your analogy fails.

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    13. Re:"unauthorized use"? by goldspider · · Score: 1

      That's controlled by Windows, not the AP. You cannot set an AP to compel all laptops within range to connect to it.

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    14. Re:"unauthorized use"? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Open houses happen all the time. People go in regular homes with nothing more than an "open" sign out front. They walk around, eat cookies, and leave. A wirelss access point spews its SSID around 10 times a second, inviting users to try to connect. When they do, it tells them that it allows anyone to connect. Then the router actively serves them with a DHCP address. The firewall allows their traffic to pass and actively sends return traffic to them. It seems a small "open" sign in the yard is much less an active invitation than an open wireless access point.

    15. Re:"unauthorized use"? by AhtirTano · · Score: 1

      When you see tables in a coffee shop, do you assume they are free for anyone or do you assume they are for customers? Why should wifi be any different?

      When you see a house with the front door open, do you assume they are inviting everyone to come in and look around? Why should wifi be any different?

      It's insane. People around here freak out when laws are written to exclude activities over the internet that are already illegal off the internet, and when old practices are patented for use on computers. But normal social behavior is supposed to be different now that wifi is involved?

    16. Re:"unauthorized use"? by jubei · · Score: 1

      How about if your door is closed, but when someone rings the doorbell, the door automatically opens? Would you fault people for entering? This is closer to what happens with DHCP.

    17. Re:"unauthorized use"? by jgoemat · · Score: 1

      The difference is that yours is a bad analogy. The coffee shop had a sign that said "Free Wireless Internet". I still don't know what the problem was. Was the problem that the guy didn't buy coffee, or that he was using the wireless from his car? If he had bought a cup of coffee and took it to his car to use his computer, would that be OK? If he sat down in the coffee shop to use his computer but didn't buy anything would that have been OK?

      I think a better analogy would be restroom use in an establishment. Would you arrest someone for trespassing that entered an establishment and used the restroom without buying anything?

  7. You're kidding, right? by Gorshkov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok - let me get this straight.

    He didn't know he was breaking the law
    The COP didn't know he was breaking the law
    The STORE OWNER didn't know he was breaking the law

    So how exactly did he wind up getting a $400 fine, community service, and a diversion sentence out of it?

    Common sence tells me that there's nothing for him to "divert" - I suspect if you had just TOLD him he was breaking the law, he'd have said "oops - sorry - I won't do it again"

    What a waste of resources.

    1. Re:You're kidding, right? by jandrese · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was wondering who needed to meet some arrest quota that month.

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    2. Re:You're kidding, right? by ronadams · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So... Kent County was prosecuting for something even the owner of the business didn't care about? From TFA: "This is the first time that we've actually charged it," Kent County Assistant Prosecutor Lynn Hopkins said, adding that "we'd been hoping to dodge this bullet for a while." I fly the BS flag. This "bullet" could have been easily dodged, but Kent County wants its free money.

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    3. Re:You're kidding, right? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Finally, FINALLY, someone is thinking about the children!

      Thank god the state of Michigain pursued this crime. Now if Al Qaeda thought it could steal WiFi from America's coffee shops well, think again Osama!

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    4. Re:You're kidding, right? by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This whole issue is starting to bother me greatly. Sure, if it wasn't an open AP, it would be stealing. If free Wi-Fi wasn't so common an average person might know better. Even in the case of it not being offered to customers, how are you supposed to know? That is tantamount to telling a police officer that you left a bag of $20 bills on a park bench yesterday, and when you went back to get it today it was gone. If you had locked it in the trunk of your car, that would be different. Lets make it more palatable; Say you left a bag of candy bars on a park bench where 100s of children play daily. When you go back the next day to retrieve it, it's gone. What would the police say? Naturally they would hide their laughter until you turn your back to them.

      If public parks are paid for by citizens of that municipality, are people from out of town allowed to use them? Free means free. I was under the impression that if something is only free to customers as a marketing ploy, you have to do something to keep it from those who are not customers. How is this a crime? If a store offers free candy bars to the first 1000 shoppers on Saturday morning as a marketing ploy, have you committed a crime if you take one of the candy bars but don't buy anything? I think that we need to ensure that businesses advertise that they have either FREE Wi-Fi or Free-to-customers Wi-Fi to clear this up. Once it is posted (like no trespassing signs) there is no longer any question about whether it's a crime or not.

    5. Re:You're kidding, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      - I suspect if you had just TOLD him he was breaking the law, he'd have said "oops - sorry - I won't do it again"

      Umm, sorry, ignorance is not an acceptable excuse for breaking the law. He either did or didn't.

    6. Re:You're kidding, right? by seanadams.com · · Score: 1

      This law was put in place to criminalize hacking into someone else's system - that's what the "unauthorized" bit is about. Since securing a wifi network is a trivial matter of checking a box and entering a password, NOT doing so should be viewed as giving implicit permission to use it. Is there any reason not to put a password on it if you really don't want others using it?

      On top of that, this wasn't like someone's private network. This was specifically put in place so that visitors to the coffee shop could use the internet. How does not paying for your cup of coffee make it "unauthorized"? Was there a big sign out in the driveway saying "unsecured wifi network only for customer use."

      If they really only wanted customers to use it, they could have just put the WPA key on a sign at the cash register with a notice saying "for paying customers only". Then someone would actually have to go out of their way to connect to it without permission.

      I bet this guy had a really bad lawyer.

    7. Re:You're kidding, right? by Gorshkov · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Umm, sorry, ignorance is not an acceptable excuse for breaking the law. He either did or didn't.
      You're right ... but that's also besides the point. You can also be charged for licking an ice cream cone on Sundays in some jurisdictions, thanks to laws that were passed in the 1800s ..... but how far do you think the local DA would get if he actually tried to prosecute it?

      Here, we have a specific case where neither the perp, the cop, NOR the store owner were aware of the existence of the law - it seems to me that "justice" would have been much better served by just *informing* everybody about the law, so that it wouldn't happen again.

      The point of law is NOT to prosecute people, or put them in jail - it's an agreed-upon set of rules that we agree to follow when we join a society, so that society can function smoothly. Prosecution - and subsequent punishments - are intended to be coercive measures to enforce compliance with these rules.

      If ever there was a case of "This time, I'll let you off with a warning", this is it.
    8. Re:You're kidding, right? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I fly the BS flag. This "bullet" could have been easily dodged, but Kent County wants its free money.

      Exactly. The GP called this a "waste of resources", but the only one who is out anything is the guy, for whom I guarantee the $400 is only the beginning of his expenses. He's probably also paying court fees, paying fees to whoever tracks his community service (probation officer, maybe, though TFA doesn't mention probation), and paying fees to enroll in whatever a "diversion program" is.

      They may have actually been reluctant to prosecute cases like this before. But now that they have, and tasted the sweet green blood of a new revenue source, expect them to vigorously pursue this kind of case in the future.

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    9. Re:You're kidding, right? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      This "bullet" could have been easily dodged, but Kent County wants its free money. Actually, you're partially right. Michigan's facing statewide budget cuts, and, two weeks ago, Kent County residents voted down a millage that would have helped maintain funding for our community college.

      The millage failed by 700 votes out of 40,000. Kinda pisses me off, because I was a ground pounder for a PAC supporting it.
    10. Re:You're kidding, right? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Ok - let me get this straight.

      He didn't know he was breaking the law
      The COP didn't know he was breaking the law
      The STORE OWNER didn't know he was breaking the law

      So how exactly did he wind up getting a $400 fine, community service, and a diversion sentence out of it?


      I guess you were asleep or out sick on that day in school oh so many years ago when they said, and I quote:

      Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

      Note how that applies to everything you listed above. I think it would be more accurate to state that the cop didn't know for sure that he was breaking the law but suspected he might be.

    11. Re:You're kidding, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You forgot got to list that he was charged under a law titled, "Fraudulent access to computers, computer systems, and computer networks", yet he clearly commited no fraud. If he'd been asked to stop and continued, I can see charging him, but the article doesn't say he was ever asked to stop.

    12. Re:You're kidding, right? by had3l · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but it's a Wi-Fi hotspot, it's there for anonymous people to access it. It wasn't a private network.

      I would say it was implicit that everyone within range of the Wi-Fi was free to use it, unless the store owner specifically states "You may only use this Wi-Fi from inside the store. Violators will be prosecuted."

      If you set up a Wi-Fi hotspot and don't specify who can and can't use it, it makes no sense going after people who used it in a way that you "didn't intend".

      If anything, he should have gone off with a warning, really, no one even knew he was breaking a law, it makes no sense. This Milanowski guy is just an idiot with a lot of time on his hands, how is prosecuting random citizens "protecting and serving"?

    13. Re:You're kidding, right? by lena_10326 · · Score: 1

      Umm, sorry, ignorance is not an acceptable excuse for breaking the law. He either did or didn't.
      With that hardline attitude, no one will sympathize for you when you're carted off to jail because you innocently did something that violated an obscure, arcane, idiotic law that was bundled with other laws and quietly enacted when no one was looking.

      That line only works when the law is understandable and consistent. It's not.

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    14. Re:You're kidding, right? by jfengel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I want to know what office Kent County Assistant Prosecutor Lynn Hopkins is running for. This sounds like an EXCELLENT time for a little prosecutorial discretion. I can't help but think that she's got something in mind.

    15. Re:You're kidding, right? by pla · · Score: 1

      Umm, sorry, ignorance is not an acceptable excuse for breaking the law. He either did or didn't.

      Skipping the debate over when ignorance does count as a good excuse (this seeming like a good example of it, when everyone involved including the police doesn't understand whether or not he broke a law)...

      The "ignorance" here, though, extends beyond "of the law" itself.

      How about the meaning of "authorization"? If the store offered free WiFi, did they expressly limit it to customers only? From the reaction of the store owner, I would suspect not. In which case, the guy did have implicit authorization, by virtue of the store offering unsecured free access.

    16. Re:You're kidding, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you 100%. Just goes to show how rigidly useless the law can be at times!

    17. Re:You're kidding, right? by Undertaker43017 · · Score: 1

      I agree ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law, but there is always a certain amount of discretion about charging someone with a crime, which I believe is what the GPP was trying to say. For instance, speeding is a crime but many people get off with a warning (I never seem too, but my wife does all the time ;).

    18. Re:You're kidding, right? by dillon_rinker · · Score: 1

      "Umm, sorry, ignorance is not an acceptable excuse for breaking the law."

      Um, yes, it is. Not legally, perhaps, but morally, it is, because we're dealing with secret laws here. A law was passed, but not even law enforcement was aware of it. Neither the offender, the accuser, nor the arresting officer knew that a law was being broken. How is this situation any different from arresting someone for breaking a secret law?

      Claiming that the law is part of the public record is irrelevant; a classified ad placed in the local newspaper of Podunk, Idaho is part of the public record. Claiming that the law is known now is irrelevant; this man isn't being arrested now. We are well on our way to letting the police make it up as they go along.

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    19. Re:You're kidding, right? by Bluesman · · Score: 1

      "Say you left a bag of candy bars on a park bench where 100s of children play daily. When you go back the next day to retrieve it, it's gone. What would the police say?"

      Worse than that. Say you left a duffel bag of baseball bats and gloves, and when you came back, you found the kids had used them to play a quick game and then put them back.

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    20. Re:You're kidding, right? by garett_spencley · · Score: 1

      Yeah. While I've never set up a WiFi connection (haven't really had the need to yet since there's only two PC's in my house so running a bit of ethernet cable isn't that big of a deal and no one in the house owns a laptop yet), it's my understanding that you can password protect them fairly easily. If shops want to impose the "bathroom is only for paying customers" concept on their WiFi they could just set a new password each day at opening and tape it to the wall in the store or put it on the chalkboard next to the menu etc.

      It wouldn't prevent people from coming in and grabbing the password and then sitting outside in their cars, but at least it would require people to actually enter the store and it would prevent random people outside picking up the connection in their cars.

    21. Re:You're kidding, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a few points...

      This is America.

      You must be new here.

      WELCOME!!!!!!

    22. Re:You're kidding, right? by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

      but Kent County wants its free money.

      Agreed, and it looks like it backfired on them. I can't imagine they din't pay a lot more then $400 to litigate this. Now if they had hit that $10,000 payoff...

      I'm glad it didn't work out for them, maybe they'll think twice before they decide to take the next bullet head on.

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    23. Re:You're kidding, right? by John.P.Jones · · Score: 1

      You better believe the DA knew he was breaking the law.

      The prosecutor should be fired.

    24. Re:You're kidding, right? by retro128 · · Score: 1

      So how exactly did he wind up getting a $400 fine, community service, and a diversion sentence out of it?

      He had a really bad lawyer, or none at all.

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    25. Re:You're kidding, right? by starfishsystems · · Score: 1
      I don't entirely get this either. Maybe someone who knows the legal process in the United States can enlighten us.

      My understanding applies to Canada only, where I believe that generally someone has to register a complaint with police in order to initiate a criminal investigation, unless of course the police themselves witness or have evidence giving cause to investigate. If charges are laid as a result, they must be approved by the Crown before going to court. This also holds for diversion.

      So who laid the complaint in this case? Not the store, evidently. The police acted on suspicion. That's fine, but I wonder what happened next. After all, the store indiscriminately made its network available to the public, set no conditions of use, apparently made no request of this individual not to use the network, and made no complaint to police. In Canada, the Crown would have noted the conspicuous absence of complaint or due diligence from the store and therefore, I suspect, found no basis to uphold the charges.

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    26. Re:You're kidding, right? by Maitri · · Score: 1

      Too bad for him his last name wasn't Hilton - then he could have gotten his sentence reduced just for showing up in court!

    27. Re:You're kidding, right? by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      it seems to me that "justice" would have been much better served by just *informing* everybody about the law, so that it wouldn't happen again.

      I don't know maybe justice was served. I bet the people in that area are informed now.

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    28. Re:You're kidding, right? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      The saying you are so fond of quoting is a reference to the PERPETRATOR.

      In this case, the COP was just as ignorant.

      Ignorance of the law BY LAW ENFORCEMENT should be an excuse.

      If the man doesn't know well enough to arrest you then he has no business doing so. This notion that a cop needs a real reason to arrest you is also a part of the law.

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    29. Re:You're kidding, right? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "This Milanowski guy is just an idiot with a lot of time on his hands, how is prosecuting random citizens "protecting and serving"?"

      Err...I think you missed a subtle, but, VERY important change in that motto of late.

      It now says To collect, and serve

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    30. Re:You're kidding, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He must mean pleading ignorance of the law does not constitute a legal defense.

    31. Re:You're kidding, right? by lilomar · · Score: 1

      Actually, many cafes I have been to that offer free wifi have signs that say you must make a purchase to use the wifi. These signs are usually posted both in the window (so people outside can see them) and inside.

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    32. Re:You're kidding, right? by dumbfounder · · Score: 1

      OMG. I totally could not agree with you more. You are 100% wrong. The cops definitely wouldn't wait until you turned your back to laugh. They would laugh in your face.

    33. Re:You're kidding, right? by Falladir · · Score: 1

      The only way for this to help the prosecutor, in terms of electability, is by padding the conviction count. If I were her political strategist, I would be much more worried about negative press over this nonsense. Depending on whether the poor guy has to pay court costs, this is either 1) a cruel and financially devastating overreaction to an honest and benign misunderstanding, or 2) an enormous waste of county resources. (Or both. In either case, it's the other to a lesser extent.)

      A prosecutor wins respect by putting away dangerous criminals, routing out corporate corruption, et cetera. This conviction isn't the kind of thing that helps you in a race for mayor.

    34. Re:You're kidding, right? by Mattintosh · · Score: 1

      And I bet the law gets a lot of bad press and goes away, too. That would indeed be justice well-served.

    35. Re:You're kidding, right? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      >> So how exactly did he wind up getting a $400 fine, community service, and a diversion sentence out of it?

      Well, you know what they say..."Stupidity is 17/32nds of the law".

    36. Re:You're kidding, right? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm baffled by how this helps myself. I was wondering if it fits into the bit where my newspaper's police blotter always fills up with prostitution arrests in an election year, because they want to be seen as "cleaning up the city". But while there are plenty of people outraged by prostitution, I can't imagine how the law-and-order types will see this as a big moral victory.

    37. Re:You're kidding, right? by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Stupid people in the majority who disagree with you. How could they?

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    38. Re:You're kidding, right? by the+pickle · · Score: 1

      The parent makes a very good point.

      Call me ignorant, but I thought laws were intended to protect somebody/something. Specifically, in this case, the law clearly seems to be intended to protect the owner of the wireless network from malicious activity. If the owner of the coffee shop didn't feel wronged, why is the prosecutor still pressing charges? This law isn't protecting anyone from anything in this case, especially since neither the cop nor the store owner had any idea there was any law being broken.

      It also bothers me tremendously that the police chief felt the need to find a law against this and charge the guy with *something*. I know the Sparta area, and I'm pretty sure the chief of police has better things to do with his time, like, say, investigate local citizens who murder their friends with an ax and videotape the whole thing, and then show the videotape to another friend six months later. (I shit you not, this actually happened there about eight years ago or so.) Western Michigan in general also has a huge meth problem. I'm sure there are some local meth cooks who need a shakedown. Go after them.

    39. Re:You're kidding, right? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      This whole issue is starting to bother me greatly. Sure, if it wasn't an open AP, it would be stealing. If free Wi-Fi wasn't so common an average person might know better. Even in the case of it not being offered to customers, how are you supposed to know? That is tantamount to telling a police officer that you left a bag of $20 bills on a park bench yesterday, and when you went back to get it today it was gone. If you had locked it in the trunk of your car, that would be different.

      Actually - under the law it isn't any different. The bag of $20 bills remains your property no matter where you left it. If the person who took the bag of bills can be identified (and the bag is unequivocally proveable as belonging to you) they can be prosecuted for theft.
       
       

      Lets make it more palatable; Say you left a bag of candy bars on a park bench where 100s of children play daily. When you go back the next day to retrieve it, it's gone. What would the police say? Naturally they would hide their laughter until you turn your back to them.

      Whether the police laugh at you or not - that doesn't change the fact that a crime has been committed. The same principle applies as with the bag of money above - your property remains your property unless you *explicitly* give it up. (Your property can be implicity given up - but only under a narrow range of circumstances. I suspect forgetting it on a park bench would not meet those circumstances.)
    40. Re:You're kidding, right? by david@ecsd.com · · Score: 1

      So how exactly did he wind up getting a $400 fine, community service, and a diversion sentence out of it?


      Easy to determine: if you go to prosecutor's office website and look at the first bullet point of their selected goals you'll see that they're there not to "See justice done" but to "Prosecute violations of State law in District and Circuit Courts within Kent County"

      Stinkers.
    41. Re:You're kidding, right? by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Umm, sorry, ignorance is not an acceptable excuse for breaking the law.
      So you are saying if there is a law that says you can't start a slashdot entry with "Umm, sorry", you would have no problem going to jail, because you didn't know it was against the law?

      I wasn't going to say anything about the stupid "ignorance is no excuse" argument, but after the 3rd, 5th, 9th one, I have to say, you all are not lawyers, so quit trying to be one. There certainly ARE clauses for most laws when a citizen can reasonably be expected not to know about, or even have any need to know about certain laws. Prosecutors don't run around spouting "ignorance is no excuse!" because, surprise, prosecutors actually have to PROVE their cases. Saying This is why most laws insert words like "intent" and "willful". If one shows intent, they remove themselves from the "ignorant" defense. It is pretty hard to be willful, if you don't even know you are breaking a law.

    42. Re:You're kidding, right? by prockcore · · Score: 1

      If the owner of the coffee shop didn't feel wronged, why is the prosecutor still pressing charges?


      Where are you getting that? The owner of the coffee shop charges non-customers for wifi access. Just because she didn't know that it was a felony doesn't mean she didn't feel wronged... no where does it say that the owner didn't want to press charges. In fact, the owner specifically said everything would've been fine "If he would have come in (to the coffee shop)".. meaning the owner was pressing charges.
    43. Re:You're kidding, right? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I suspect it has something to do with the way they are funded. Many police forces these days are financially motivated to go for quantity of arrests rather than focussing on what matters.

    44. Re:You're kidding, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But prosecuting people *is* the purpose of the law now. Go downtown to your local courthouse and listen to a few cases. Whenever you get pulled over by a cop they are only trying to incriminate you.

    45. Re:You're kidding, right? by adminstring · · Score: 1

      If the owner was "pressing charges" it would have been a civil suit, not a criminal suit. And if I were the judge of such a civil suit, I would gladly award the plaintiff $2.00, or whatever I could determine was fair market value for the amount of bandwidth used.

      It was, however a criminal suit, which means that the state pressed charges.

      Specifically, instead of the officer asking the coffee shop owner if he minded having people check their email from the street (recommending at least a "wi-fi for customers only" sign to the owner if that were the case) and then, if appropriate, asking the man in his car not to check his email there if doing so was against the wishes of the shop owner, the officer decided to waste hours of his time and the prosecutor's time to enforce a poorly-written law to the benefit of no one.

      If this criminal suit had gone to court instead of being settled, and if the defendant had a decent lawyer, the state could have likely lost, as no fraud was committed (the actual outcome of the case would, of course, depend on the exact wording of the statute in question and the mood of the judge that day.) However, the defendant would have been stuck with a lawyer bill higher than the value of the time and money forfeited in the settlement.

      The police officer should be reprimanded for his lack of judgment in filing the complaint, and the DA should be reprimanded for his lack of judgment in not dropping the case immediately. They both wasted taxpayer resources to coerce an unjustified settlement from a man who took, at most, a couple bucks of apparently freely-offered bandwidth.

      With public servants like these, who needs public enemies?!
      (IANAL)

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    46. Re:You're kidding, right? by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      You're assuming I was angry at the voters. I wasn't, and I'm not. It's their right to vote to keep property taxes down. Rather, I'm angry at the people who decided not to take the campaign public until a month before the vote was supposed to go through.

      Of all the people we contacted by phone, 98% pledged they would vote in favor of the millage. That means that if we had talked to 715 more people, the millage would have gone through. And 715 is a small number compared to the total number of people we'd contacted.

  8. Madness! by Eternauta3k · · Score: 1

    "$10000? this is madness"
    "Madness? this is SPARTA!"

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  9. This is ridiculous by tstubbendeck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the same as if the guy was using the restroom without purchasing anything. While this may be considered rude by some it hardly qualifies as a crime and classifying it as a felony reeks of ignorance. If I were this guy I would be so frustarated I would probably spontaneously combust.

    1. Re:This is ridiculous by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, maybe he should have realized that "free wi-fi" probably meant "free wi-fi if you come into the store and hopefully purchase something", but that's a distinction even the store owner didn't think was a matter of law. I mean, should he be charged with a crime for using the free parking spot, since it's pretty clear that the store only has the parking spot so people can park and come in the store?

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    2. Re:This is ridiculous by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Yeah, maybe he should have realized that "free wi-fi" probably meant "free wi-fi if you come into the store and hopefully purchase something", but that's a distinction even the store owner didn't think was a matter of law.


      Its just as illegal to commit a crime if both you and the victim are unaware that it is actually criminal.

      There's nothing really exceptional in that aspect of this case.

    3. Re:This is ridiculous by jetkins · · Score: 1
      IANAL, but I think it goes deeper than that. The crime is "unauthorized access of a computer network", so the obvious question is "how is authorisation granted?" If there is any sort of authorization process or statement of limitation - even just a sign which says "free wireless access for our customers" - then this guy cold have been found in breach of it, but if the proprietor set up a completely open network and neither knew nor cared who used it, then where's the lack of authorization?

      In summary: if no authorization is required by the owner of the network, then how can one be guilty of unauthorized access?

    4. Re:This is ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite the same thing. If a store has a policy that only paying customers can use the restrooms, they can prosecute violations of that policy under trespassing laws. If thtore chooses to make an exception, no crime is committed.

      But if using an open wifi network is a crime, it is law enforcement's discretion whether to prosecute or not, even if the store doesn't have a policy forbidding access. Its a crime regardless of whether the store joins in the prosecution or not.

    5. Re:This is ridiculous by SlayerofGods · · Score: 1

      I mean, should he be charged with a crime for using the free parking spot, since it's pretty clear that the store only has the parking spot so people can park and come in the store?
      Maybe... but you'd probably be looking at only a $20 ticket or at MOST the towing fee.
      There's no way on earth that crime could justify a 5 year felony charge and a $10,000 fine.
      Which is really what is so scary about this case. Not that he was charged with a crime, but that he was charged with a felony with up to a 5 year sentence for using something that we being given away freely with the purchase of a cup of coffee.

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    6. Re:This is ridiculous by _14k4 · · Score: 1

      ...yes! But *ONLY* if the parking spot contains a sign that says "Parking for patrons of XYZ Store only. All others will be towed....yada yada"

    7. Re:This is ridiculous by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Its just as illegal to commit a crime if both you and the victim are unaware that it is actually criminal.

      Except in the many cases where whether or not it is a crime in the first place is based on the intent of the victim. The difference between stealing (crime) and borrowing (not a crime) is whether or not the "victim" thinks you're stealing or borrowing. Similar with trespassing -- it's all in the perception of the land owner whether you are trespassing or not.

      "Unauthorized computer access" -- who do you think decides what is unauthorized? The state? Or maybe the owner of the store providing free wi-fi?

      There's nothing really exceptional in that aspect of this case.

      The only thing exceptional is that apparently the opinion of the person who was theoretically trespassed upon doesn't seem to matter. In every other case like this one, there never would have been an arrest in the first place because it would be clear that no crime had been committed.

      Or are you really saying that he should have been charged with trespass due to using the parking spot, as well?

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    8. Re:This is ridiculous by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Its just as illegal to commit a crime if both you and the victim are unaware that it is actually criminal.

      Except in the many cases where whether or not it is a crime in the first place is based on the intent of the victim.


      No, even there, whether or not the victim thinks the act is criminal is entirely beside the point. Rape, for instance, is still a crime if the victim doesn't consent, but doesn't know that it is criminal for the perpetrator to proceed without her consent.

      The difference between stealing (crime) and borrowing (not a crime) is whether or not the "victim" thinks you're stealing or borrowing.


      But not on whether or not the "victim" thinks you intentionally and wrongfully depriving them of their property is, in fact, prosecutable under the law.

      Yes, in this case, whether or not he had authorization from the coffee shop owner would be relevant. Whether or not the coffee shop owner thought that it was criminal for him to use the access without authorization is not.

    9. Re:This is ridiculous by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Rape, for instance, is still a crime if the victim doesn't consent, but doesn't know that it is criminal for the perpetrator to proceed without her consent.

      But if the victim does not believe a crime was comitted and is aware that rape is a crime, then that would probably imply that she does not believe the sex was non-consensual, and her opinion would be rather relevent in that case then, wouldn't it?

      Yes, in this case, whether or not he had authorization from the coffee shop owner would be relevant. Whether or not the coffee shop owner thought that it was criminal for him to use the access without authorization is not.

      So you're saying that the coffee shop owner's comment was intended that she didn't know that any breaking-and-entering of a computer was illegal? I find that to be highly improbable from anyone who has watched the news or seen a movie in the last twenty years, much less someone smart enough to put wi-fi in their shop. The much more reasonable interpretation is that she was talking about the specific case of the guy in her parking lot using her free wi-fi, and the implication is that she did not believe it to be criminal -- as in unauthorized -- access.

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    10. Re:This is ridiculous by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Maybe... but you'd probably be looking at only a $20 ticket or at MOST the towing fee.
      There's no way on earth that crime could justify a 5 year felony charge and a $10,000 fine.


      See, it's bleeding-heart soft-headed liberals like yourself that are ruining our country. You think that babying the criminals will make them your friend, but it will only teach them to take advantage of you again! You let the guy get away with using your precious parking space once with a slap on the wrist, and he'll be back, with friends, to take up all your parking spaces. Soon there'll be no empty spaces anywhere and hard-working families will have to park ten miles from work and walk through the snow to get to their jobs being productive citizens instead of lazy no-good Parking Thieves! They should be lucky to get 5 years! I say make it ten, and for the second offense, thirty, and for the third strike (because baseball analogy == justice) you either throw away the key or kill em depending on the state.

      And as for this guy -- he deprived the hard-working American small businessperson of $0.50! That alone is worth $10,000 of his crime-dollars that he probably got selling drugs to children anyway. And the judge proved that the judiciary is a bunch of bleeding-heart liberals too by not bringing the full weight of the law to bear, giving him a pass just because he had no prior offenses. Well now he does, proving he's a criminal and no good to society! And now he's walking free! We must stop this sort of judicial activism with mandatory sentencing.

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    11. Re:This is ridiculous by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      But if the victim does not believe a crime was comitted and is aware that rape is a crime, then that would probably imply that she does not believe the sex was non-consensual,


      Not really. Lots of people are aware that particular crimes denoted by specific terms exist without knowing their parameters.

      and her opinion would be rather relevent in that case then, wouldn't it?


      That depends on the more precise basis for the belief. If she believe that she had not resisted because of intoxication, and mistakenly believed that under the law that was equivalent to consent, and therefore believed that she had "consented" under the law and no crime was committed, that would not stop there from having been a crime, or—presuming that this somehow was all discovered by law enforcement and brought to trial—prevent the guilty party from being convicted.

      So you're saying that the coffee shop owner's comment was intended that she didn't know that any breaking-and-entering of a computer was illegal?


      No, if I was saying that, I probably would have said that. The coffee shop owner's belief that the specific kind of unauthorized use at issue was not criminal does not having any effect on whether it is, in fact, illegal, nor does it imply anything about what other unauthorized use of computer systems the coffee shop owner might or might not believe is illegal.

      The much more reasonable interpretation is that she was talking about the specific case of the guy in her parking lot using her free wi-fi


      Yes, that's exactly what I was talking about.

      and the implication is that she did not believe it to be criminal -- as in unauthorized -- access.


      No, the implication is that she did not believe that unauthorized access in those circumstances was punishable under criminal law. If she said she approved of the access, then she would be saying it was "authorized". Saying she didn't think it was criminal does not mean she thinks that she authorized it.

    12. Re:This is ridiculous by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Not really. Lots of people are aware that particular crimes denoted by specific terms exist without knowing their parameters.

      Don't be ridiculous. By definition it is the woman who says what is rape and what isn't, because it is defined by what she is willing to allow. If she doesn't think a crime was comitted then there should not be a prosecution because it wasn't rape. Arresting someone after that would be utterly retarded.

      Apparently that wasn't a consideration here.

      No, the implication is that she did not believe that unauthorized access in those circumstances was punishable under criminal law.

      I know it is important to distinguish between legality and morality, but when the alleged victim says "I don't think there was a crime here" that means they don't think that the perpetrator did anything wrong. Someone who is angry is glad that what the person did is illegal, not befuddled. If you walk through the open door of my house and I am not offended, is that trespass?

      It was a case where authorization was implicit, and the rules of the implicit authorization were unclear. He wasn't just using any random access point, he explicitly picked out a "free" one. A person not aware of the law but who didn't want to share their wi-fi would be pissed if someone jumped on, they wouldn't be all "gee i was unaware that this was actionable". The bottom line is it didn't sound like the store owner cared. If she didn't care, is it a crime?

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    13. Re:This is ridiculous by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      By definition it is the woman who says what is rape and what isn't, because it is defined by what she is willing to allow.


      No, really, I suggest you read the rape statute in just about any state. There are various legal elements that define the crime of rape and the belief of the victim that the act was criminal is not one of them in any statute I've seen.

      I know it is important to distinguish between legality and morality, but when the alleged victim says "I don't think there was a crime here" that means they don't think that the perpetrator did anything wrong.


      No, it doesn't. Especially if the victim distinguishes between legality and morality.

      The bottom line is it didn't sound like the store owner cared.


      The owner didn't say that. The owner said she didn't know it was criminal. She also said, "If he would have come in (to the coffee shop), it would have been fine." This suggests that the owner did, in fact, care, and that what happened was not fine with the owner.

  10. Okay, hands up. by acherusia · · Score: 1

    Who else is using a coffee shop's free WiFi to check Slashdot?

    1. Re:Okay, hands up. by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 1
      *raises hand*

      Well, I'm actually in a Panera, which also has so-so sandwiches, salads, soups & baked goods in addition to coffee. However, I did have to click on a splash page from what I assume is their proxy server before I could access the internet.

    2. Re:Okay, hands up. by BrewedInTexas · · Score: 1

      Panera's food sucks. Their free WiFi though is delicious.

  11. Excellent by ReidMaynard · · Score: 1

    This will help keep the riff-raff from relocating to sunny Michigan.

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    1. Re:Excellent by Divide+By+Zero · · Score: 1

      Because the job market, state debt, quality of roads, proximity to survivalists, Flint, and sarcasm dripping off your use of the word "sunny" weren't doing the job sufficiently?

      Just kidding, survivalists and Flint. Please don't shoot me.

      Actually, if you guys could come over near my place and use the unprotected wi-fi I have in my house, it sure would help that whole defense against the RIAA thing. "An IP isn't a person" and all that.

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    2. Re:Excellent by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      We could use more computer geeks around here, because our manufacturing economy is sure shot to hell.

  12. Windows XP just connects... by Docboy-J23 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If I recall my experiences using windows XP, doesn't it just automatically connect to any unsecured wireless connection that it finds? I would bet that most people don't even realize they're stealing somebody else's internet bandwidth, since chances are their OS isn't even showing a connect dialog by default.

    1. Re:Windows XP just connects... by Goaway · · Score: 1

      Those people probably don't freely admit to a police officer that they were doing it intentionally, though. You know, kind of makes a difference, that.

    2. Re:Windows XP just connects... by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      If I recall my experiences using windows XP, doesn't it just automatically connect to any unsecured wireless connection that it finds?


      Which might be a defense if you weren't driving up to a place you knew had unsecured wifi for customers and taking advantage of it. (Of course, if you didn't know that the policy was "for customers", that might be a defense to.)

    3. Re:Windows XP just connects... by Jarjarthejedi · · Score: 1

      I agree, why is it a crime if the person has obviously taken no measures to secure the wifi? If you're not even going to password your wifi then I don't see how I can be charged for using it.

      This is a really dumb judgement. The law completely ignores the fact that this wifi was so open as to be auto-connectible (yes, windows does do that with unsecured wifi) and so shouldn't be even considered for a crime, no one in the area knew it was a crime, and the fine is way over what would be considered reasonable.

      I'll bet that if you go and look at this law you'll find it was passed partially as a result of someone mentioning pedophiles using other peoples wifi. No law with that high of a fine for that small of a crime could be passed without some "Think of the Children"ing...

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    4. Re:Windows XP just connects... by Taimat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes and no...... Before SP2, yes, XP would connect to ANYTHING it could find. After SP2, it warns you if you want to connect to an unsecured network - so it's needs some kind of response from the user first.... UNLESS.... you have SSIDs are the same. If you said "yes, connect" the the unsecured "linksys" SSID at home, and you go somewhere else with the same SSID and unsecured, you are connected automatically.

      Damned if ya do....You know the rest.

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    5. Re:Windows XP just connects... by just_another_sean · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Our company had a sales rep in Baltimore who worked for us for a week before we (IT) heard anything from him. He calls us one day and complains his internet connection isn't working, what's the deal? After questioning him about providers and settings and what not we figure out that he never signed up for any service, didn't know he needed to and was very confused when we told him he was using someone elses unsecured wireless. He literally had just turned on his Windows box the first day he got home, connected (automagically) to a neighbor's wireless and assumed that computers were supposed to do that. As if all PCs came with "free" internet, no configuration required.

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    6. Re:Windows XP just connects... by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

      I agree, why is it a crime if the person has obviously taken no measures to secure the wifi? If you're not even going to password your wifi then I don't see how I can be charged for using it.
      Let's roll out the well-worn house door analogy. If I fail to fix the broken lock on my door, does that grant permission for the local hoodlums to come & take my stuff? If they do, then sure, the insurance company may take a dim view of my inaction, perhaps even refusing to pay; everyone including the police would tell me how stupid I was; but a crime was still committed.
    7. Re:Windows XP just connects... by jc42 · · Score: 1

      If I recall my experiences using windows XP, doesn't it just automatically connect to any unsecured wireless connection that it finds?

      I have a Mac Powerbook laptop, and it does the same thing. Sometimes it pops up a window asking "Do you want to be connected to the untrusted network <FOO>?" But usually it doesn't ask, and I have no idea why. I've also failed to find out how to make a network trusted; my home airport is usually trusted but sometimes not (and this seems true whether or not I have the password turned on or not). It also gives the same popup at random times when I'm away from home, but usually just connects without asking.

      I wonder how many felonies I've committed with it? I mean, even at home, it sometimes connects to a neighbor's AP rather than mine. I have no idea whether that's legal in this town. And if this guy's experience is any clue, I might not learn the legal situation by asking the police.

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    8. Re:Windows XP just connects... by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      I hate the retarded analogies that always crop up on these threads.

      Look, it's got nothing to do with houses or doors.

      If we must use an analogy like that, then it's more like a store owner both not locking the door AND leaving the "Open" sign up.

      A law needs to be passed making wi-fi router manufacturers put gigantic warnings all over their packaging, and maybe even to set defaults in such a way to FORCE the user to configure the router before it will work at all. It is completely ridiculous to convict people for using this technology in exactly the way that it was intended. If we accept that open access points pose such a danger to their owners that those connecting "without permission" can be punished, when the tech itself provides ways to make sure that only those with permission or who have obviously gone out of their way to break in can connect, then we must conclude that it makes a hell of a lot more sense to ensure that the industry is conducting itself in a manner that does not endanger the public, and to force them to make sure that their users know what they're doing.

      Either that, or we decide that it's not such a big deal and stop charging people with crimes related to perfectly normal usage of this technology.

      If it's really so dangerous, than do what we would with any other industry that's putting out a product that, by default, can harm its user, mostly due to the average person having no idea of how to use it: MAKE THEM EDUCATE THE USERS, and put safeties in place that must be deliberately broken by the user to make it un-safe. If it's not serious enough to do that, then it's not serious enough to punish those using the tech, who are often just as ignorant as the owners of the routers.

    9. Re:Windows XP just connects... by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      He literally had just turned on his Windows box the first day he got home, connected (automagically) to a neighbor's wireless and assumed that computers were supposed to do that. As if all PCs came with "free" internet, no configuration required.


      I wouldn't be surprised. A few years ago I got a request to help an end user figure out why he couldn't get his institutional VPN account working. Long story short, he had been a dial-up user for years. He wanted to try out the "new" VPN service. So he configured everything and hit connect... nothing happened. He didn't have any form of broadband in his house... and didn't realize it would be required to use the VPN. Which is just a little more odd than the guy who dialed up to work and then signed on to the institutional VPN.
    10. Re:Windows XP just connects... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Of course, since many Windows users reflexively click yes/OK to any box that pops up ignorance is entirely possible for someone who doesn't really understand the technology they use.

    11. Re:Windows XP just connects... by Taimat · · Score: 1

      No they don't! hold on... I need to close all the pop-ups I keep getting.....

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    12. Re:Windows XP just connects... by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

      Yes that sounds familiar as well. Both here and my last job I get the same calls over and over for VPN and Citrix access.

      Them: I can't connect to Citrix! What's wrong.
      Us: OK, are you connected to the internet?
      Them: What, I'm trying to connect now!
      Us: Open a browser and try surfing to Google.
      Them: OK (grumble, bitch, grumble, thirty seconds go by...) It says something about not being able to connect to the site!
      Us: You have to connect to the internet first, then Citrix/VPN.
      Them: Um, OK.
      Us: You need help getting your connection up?
      Them: Uh no, I got it, sorry to bother you.
      (another few minutes go by, phone rings, a humbler voice asks...)
      Them: Can you help me with my internet connection, it seems to be down.

      The worst part, the same people call about it tens of times before they finally get it. Oh well, job security!

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    13. Re:Windows XP just connects... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming OS X (I'm looking at 10.4.9 right now) Go To:

      System Preferences / Network / Airport

      Change the option for "By default, join..." to what you want

      now, click "Options..."

      Set your preferences here for what you want to do when you are in a new area.

    14. Re:Windows XP just connects... by jc42 · · Score: 1

      Hmmm ... It took quite a lot of poking around at random to find that "By default, join..." thing. And then there was the problem of making sense of it. It gave me the choice of "Automatic" and "Preferred networks". The obvious thing is "Automatic", since I want it to automatically join our home network. But it's "Preferred networks" that shows a list with the home network first in the list. The "Automatic" one doesn't give a list of networks to select from. So I changed the menu to "Preferred networks" and clicked on the home network name, which turned red. I also clicked "Apply Now", guessing that this might be needed. This got no visible response.

      It's all puzzling and counterintuitive, and I probably wouldn't have ever stumbled across this (or understood that I should do anything). We'll see if it makes any noticeable difference in behavior. I wonder if this means that now it'll refuse to join any network when it's away from homes, on the grounds that the "preferred" network isn't visible? I guess I'll have to experiment with it a bit, and try to remember where these config windows are when I have problems in the future.

      The logic behind all of this isn't at all obvious, and the Help stuff isn't very enlightening.

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    15. Re:Windows XP just connects... by BobSutan · · Score: 1

      *Sigh* Here we go again.... Its not stealing a damn thing if the wireless network is accepting your laptop's request to join the network and use its services. In fact the network is explicitly allowing you to use the network. Without it configured to do so the damn thing wouldn't work.

      Had the guy using the wireless cracked the store's WEP key or something similar, then, and only then, would he be guilty of theft of service (the same as if someone illegally unscrambled SAT TV). Speaking of which, wireless networking is exactly like broadcast and SAT/Cable TV. When unencrypted and unfiltered it is no different than OTA TV. When encrypted or filtered its protected just like SAT & cable TV. Period. You crack the signal you're guilty of theft of service. Its just that simple folks.

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  13. Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems to me that blasting unsecured WiFi around is much like having a trampoline that is unsecured. When children come and jump on it without your permission, and injure themselves as a result, the owner is liable, since the trampoline is an "attractive nuisance".

    If people don't want everyone on their WiFi, they should have to either secure it with a key or restrict it to the premises.

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    1. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by Mephistophocles · · Score: 1

      True, in fact it would be funny to try to find a line of legal reasoning that would somehow make the coffee shop owner accessory to the felony. IANAL, but either way I think it's possible that a good attorney could be successful in pursuing civil damages based on the trampoline model you cite. Any attorneys out there think I could be correct?

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    2. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by eln · · Score: 1

      That's why, when creating a nuisance, I try to make it as unattractive as possible. For example, the trampoline in my backyard is covered in a mustard yellow and pea green paisley pattern, and is surrounded by dark brown shag carpeting. No self-respecting kid would ever call that an "attractive" nuisance.

    3. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that blasting unsecured WiFi around is much like having a trampoline that is unsecured. When children come and jump on it without your permission, and injure themselves as a result, the owner is liable, since the trampoline is an "attractive nuisance".


      Yes, and if an adult comes on to your property without permission despite your posted "no trespassing" signs and starts jumping on your trampoline, they are still liable for trespass. The theory of "attractive nuisance" has to do with the ignorance and vulnerability of children, not the idea that failing to physically secure your property gives everyone the right to free use of it.

    4. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by Reecie · · Score: 1

      Yes, and if an adult comes on to your property without permission despite your posted "no trespassing" signs and starts jumping on your trampoline, they are still liable for trespass. The theory of "attractive nuisance" has to do with the ignorance and vulnerability of children, not the idea that failing to physically secure your property gives everyone the right to free use of it.

      However, as you cite, if there is a "no tresspassing" sign posted, then the offender is liable for being on the premises in the first place. In this case, AFAIK, there was not a "No Piggybacking" sign in front of the coffee shop. And, since the Wi-fi access was free inside, what's to say that it's not free outside? It's not "indoor-fi" is it?

    5. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by JonathanR · · Score: 1

      The question I'd be asking is: What is the procedure for obtaining authorisation for use of the WiFi? I would contend that merely entering the coffee shop does not constitute authorisation, unless there is specifically a sign advertising the WiFi access, and that it is free to customers.

    6. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      However, as you cite, if there is a "no tresspassing" sign posted, then the offender is liable for being on the premises in the first place. In this case, AFAIK, there was not a "No Piggybacking" sign in front of the coffee shop. And, since the Wi-fi access was free inside, what's to say that it's not free outside?


      I'm not arguing that this guy should have been charged with or convicted of a crime: I don't know if the signs at the coffee shop indicated that the free wifi was for customers only, etc. I'm just saying that the "attractive nuisance" analogy fails, and further that the treatment of other areas of law is not inconsistent with making knowing, intentional abuse of unsecured wifi criminal.
    7. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by Mephistophocles · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Very good point though I think you could go farther than that - if there is a sign advertising the WiFi, wouldn't it have to explicitly state where you can or cannot be to use it (i.e., inside, outside on the patio, in the parking lot, etc). Also, what if you just come and sit on the patio and use it? How is that different from sitting in the parking lot? Shouldn't the "terms of access" on the sign explicitly state whether or not you have to purchase something from the shop in order to use it?

      Either way I find it hard to believe that the guy could be charged with a felony for this unless the law states that "any access of any WiFi, regardless of location, without prior explicit consent of the owner (in writing or before witnesses, so that it may be presented to the court) is hereby considered a felony and may be prosecuted as such." If the law doesn't say that or something like it, I imagine there is a strong case for getting this guy off with nothing and probably for some juicy civil suits to follow.

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    8. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      The theory of "attractive nuisance" has to do with the ignorance and vulnerability of children, not the idea that failing to physically secure your property gives everyone the right to free use of it.
      In this case the suspect, the cop, and the store owner were all ignorant of the law. The guy should have asked for a jury trial. His lawyer could have argued to the jury that this is a bad law. If you are in coffee shop A, and your computer connects to bookstore B's wifi, you are violating the law. How many regular people would know?

      How many laws are on the books that you are violating right now? The only possible answer is, "I don't know", because their are too many laws for a reasonable person to keep track of. In this case, even a law enforcement officer didn't completely know the law.

      The moral of the story: If a police officer asks you what you are doing, give him as little information as possible. Don't volunteer anything.
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    9. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by bynary · · Score: 1

      Hypothetical situation:

      Let's say someone walks by my desk at work and uses my pen. They didn't ask me, but I don't really care because it's a pen. However, a manager happens to walk by and says that you can't use a pen without the owner's permission. I say that I don't care if they use my pen or not, because it's just a pen. The manager then fires the guy for using my pen.

      I understand there are many laws that are enforced where both parties to the activity don't care that the activity is taking place, but those, from my understanding, involve something that has been determined to be wrong regardless (i.e. recreational drug use, freaky craigslist postings to have someone kill you, child trafficking, and etc.). But using free WiFi? Come on.

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    10. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by Radon360 · · Score: 1

      Attractive Nuisancein the sense of tort law applies to children, and harm done to them by not recognizing the risks and dangers present by the nuisance.

      This guy wasn't a minor, and the Wi-Fi from the coffee shop didn't pose/create a dangerous situation. Attractive nuisance doesn't apply in this case.

      I do agree with your last statement, however. Secure it or consider it an invitation for others to use it at their own risk.

    11. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by MoneyT · · Score: 1

      It's worth noting that in most states, trespassing law does not require that there be notice on the property for one to commit trespass.

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    12. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by blueskies · · Score: 1

      You could go even further then that. If i'm a block away and someone is offering free wireless, I might never see their sign saying it is just for customers. If they don't want you on their network, don't allow them to associate with the AP and don't give them an IP address via dhcp.

    13. Re:Doesn't the provider have any responsibility? by LuxMaker · · Score: 1

      If people don't want everyone on their WiFi, they should have to either secure it with a key or restrict it to the premises.

      This would be fine, except I know people that freely admit they would lock themselves out of their wireless router if they tried to secure it. Some of these people even work in a technology related field.

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  14. This shouldn't be a crime by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If someone wants to offer a free exclusive service to customers it should be forced to take at least minimum steps to protect that offer. If they slapped WEP on it and the cops found this guy cracking it in the parking lot then charge him. Otherwise you could arrest me for sitting in the parking lot next to a concert enjoying the music!

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  15. Don't talk to cops! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And if you do, always ask them questions if you can, try you hardest not to give them any answers. You are required to show them your ID if they ask. The magic words are "Officer, am I being detained?" If you aren't being detained, tell the officer you will now be on your way, and you have no further business with them. If you are not being detained or incarcerated, they have no authority to hold you against your will.

    1. Re:Don't talk to cops! by xappax · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are required to show them your ID if they ask.

      In the US, if you're driving a motor vehicle, you can be compelled to show your driver's license. In any other situation, however, you do not even have to carry ID, let alone show it. You can be compelled to identify yourself (for example, giving your name, DOB, and address) if you are being arrested or ticketed, but other than that you don't even have to give the cops any information.

    2. Re:Don't talk to cops! by Speare · · Score: 1

      Not since 21 June 2004: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/jan-june04/scot us_6-21.html

      MARCIA COYLE: ... Nevada is one of 20 states that has a law that says basically, if a police officer has a reasonable belief that you are involved in a crime and he asks you for identification, you must identify yourself. You don't have to produce a document. But you have to say who you are. This police officer in Nevada was investigating a domestic assault. He stopped Larry Hibble who was possibly the perpetrator of the assault and did ask him to identify himself. Hibble refused 11 times, was arrested under the Nevada law.

      JEFFREY BROWN: He left no doubt about it -- 11 times.

      MARCIA COYLE: Right; 11 times. He was arrested and fined $250. He turned around and challenged the law saying it violated the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution which protects you against unreasonable searches and seizures, and the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution which says you have a right not to make a self-incriminating statement.

      JEFFREY BROWN: Now the court did not buy those two arguments but it was quite close.

      MARCIA COYLE: It was. It was a 5-4 decision.

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    3. Re:Don't talk to cops! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read your own post: ...if a police officer has a reasonable belief that you are involved in a crime...

      That is the only time othe than when driving a motor vehicle that you have to show ID...if you are suspect in a crime.

    4. Re:Don't talk to cops! by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      In the US, if you're driving a motor vehicle, you can be compelled to show your driver's license.


      Well, yes, because generally you consent to that when you apply for the license, and if you don't have a license when driving, you commit the offense of driving without a license, so you are nailed either way.

      OTOH, you don't have to explain what you are doing. Of course, if you don't, and you aren't doing anything illegal, you've probably just bought yourself an unnecessary hassle.

    5. Re:Don't talk to cops! by Altus · · Score: 1


      Unfortunately this is probably true. Its a shame because most of the time I find treating cops with respect, but also, treating them like normal people, is very effective at managing most situations with them. Unfortunately you never do know how the things you say and do are going to be used in the long run so even if being polite and friendly gets you through 99% of your encounters with the police, being polite and formal keeps that 1% from biting you in the ass.

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  16. Sheesh by spamking · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you don't want unauthorized people accessing your unsecured Wi-Fi network, then provide your customers with the access information on a receipt or something. If hotels can do it surely a coffee shop can figure it out.

    However, Peterson won't be going to prison for piggybacking. Because he has no prior record, Peterson will have to pay a $400 fine, do 40 hours of community service and enroll in the county's diversion program.

    What the heck is a "diversion program"?

    1. Re:Sheesh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He will be placed in a pit with some bears. In Michigan they consider that a diversion.

    2. Re:Sheesh by iceOlate · · Score: 0

      A diversion program is where you have to go to some sort of class (which you also have to pay for, in addition to paying your fine to the court). If you complete the class, then the charge is removed from your record. It is something that is offered for first offenses, usually misdimeanors. I had to go to one once back when I was 18, I was stopped by a cop and detained and searched, and he found a couple of beers in my backpack, so I was charged with minor in possession of alcohol. So I went to a diversion class for 12 weeks, which was full of crackheads, alcoholics, and people who actually had some serious problems. Not very fun, but I certainly learned a lot about those that actually have serious addiction problems. Anyway, because I completed the class, the case was dismissed and the charge did not go on my record.

      In this particular case however, I have no idea what sort of diversion course would be offered for this supposed crime. He'll probably end up in a class with shoplifters and the like...

    3. Re:Sheesh by maxume · · Score: 1

      More people in jail than beds to put them on and money to ship and store them elsewhere.

      Basically, he is going to get some counseling about how being a productive member of society who was doing something that nobody thought was wrong can be illegal and will result in a bunch of dipshits carrying out the law for no discernible reason. If he were a drunk or mentally ill, he would get help with that.

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    4. Re:Sheesh by Aokubidaikon · · Score: 1

      If you don't want unauthorized people accessing your unsecured Wi-Fi network, then provide your customers with the access information on a receipt or something. If hotels can do it surely a coffee shop can figure it out.

      This is by far the most sensible thing I have read regarding this issue.
      If I had a mod point to spare good sir it would be yours.

    5. Re:Sheesh by spamking · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info.

      It sounds like someone could make a few bucks as an internet security diversion program consultant.

  17. This is silly by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I was younger, I used to live in an apartment complex across the street from the local University's football stadium. When concerts were played at the stadium, I would sit out on the balcony and listen to the music. Maybe I should have been arrested for that, too.

    If a coffee shop wants to limit its "free wifi" to paying customers only, there is plenty of technology out there to do that. Having worked for a company that sold wireless equipment to coffee shops, I can't believe that they would have been ignorant of this fact, as my company and several others probably would have been constantly bombarding them with sales people trying to sell them products that do exactly that.

    If a coffee shop has big signs that say "Free WiFi!" and I am able to pick up a clear signal outside of the coffee shop and connect to it, I can't reasonably be expected to know that "free" to them means "to paying customers only" unless it was explicitly stated on those same signs. Even so, what if this guy picked up the signal from somewhere out of sight of the coffee shop? How could he reasonably be expected to know it was not intended as a public access point, unless the SID was something like "buycoffeeorGTFO"?

    1. Re:This is silly by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Would it have been ok if he had gone into the coffee shop and not bought anything yet still used the WiFi? Does it matter where he is sitting at the time?

      On a different subject, if I ran a coffee shop I'd rather have him come in for 20 minutes and leave without buying anything than the people who buy a $2 espresso and camp out for 4 hours.

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    2. Re:This is silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a coffee shop wants to limit its "free wifi" to paying customers only, there is plenty of technology out there to do that.
      In this case the coffee shop didn't care, but the Police Chief considered it "fraudulent access to computers, computer systems, and computer networks" anyway.
    3. Re:This is silly by Ser_Olmy · · Score: 1

      I set up an open Wi-fi spot for my local pub some time back. I named it "The Asylum: min. 1 beer per. 30 minutes". Yes, the name of the place is for historical reasons but also reflects the personality of the bartender.

  18. from before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From what I recall about this case when it came up before, the man adamantly refused to buy a cup of coffee, even though that's all the shop owners asked of him. They let him know that their wifi was for customer use only (yeah, they should have passworded it or something), and told him that they were going to take this to the cops. Like I said, the man repeatedly refused to buy some coffee, a bagel, etc, even after being politely asked to. It's not like he was completely unaware of the situation. As far as I'm concerned, he deserves the fine and community service.

    1. Re:from before by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 1

      My reading of the original story indicated that the cafe owner didn't know there was a law against the leeching and didn't even go to the cops. This cop just saw him doing it and thought there MUST be a law being broken. He proceeded to ask the guy what he was doing (to get a confession without mention the guy had the right to remain silent!) and then looked up a law to arrest him for. This officer pretty much found a loophole for that pesky Fifth Amendment... feign ignorance, get confession, "look up" law, arrest with previous confession under belt.

  19. Take notice... by djdbass · · Score: 1

    ...all of you who live across the street from a drive in theater. Just because you can see it, doesn't men you can watch it!!!

    1. Re:Take notice... by TheGavster · · Score: 1

      Interestingly enough, domestic surveillance cameras will be justified by saying that they only record what could be seen from public places anyway ... ahh double standards for organizations against individuals.

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    2. Re:Take notice... by n6kuy · · Score: 1

      What is a "drive in theater"?

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    3. Re:Take notice... by djdbass · · Score: 1

      'S a place where you pay at the gate, drive in, park your car, watch a movie projected on a 40' tall screen. Usually one tunes in the movie on FM and ends up jump starting their car. Ever seen Greece? Yeah - like that.

  20. Keep your mouth shut. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Number one rule when dealing with cops: Never volunteer information that was not specifically asked for.

    Question: "What are you doing" (cop probably thought he was looking at porn and masturbating in public) Answer: "I'm working on my computer. How's your day going?" Question: "Great. Have a nice day."

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    1. Re:Keep your mouth shut. by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Funny

      Number one rule when dealing with cops: Never volunteer information that was not specifically asked for.

      Even better, just fondle your WWGD bracelet, ask yourself "what would Gonzales do?", and reply, in your best Steve Martin voice: "I forgot."

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    2. Re:Keep your mouth shut. by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      Very good advice. When I was in college I was bringing some 6 packs of beer up to a friend's dorm (I was 21) in a paper bag. A younger campus cop stopped me and asked if I was a student. I said yes and showed him my card and said I was just carrying some beer and that I was legal. He actually told me, "You don't have to tell me what is in the bag unless I ask." so I quickly said "Ok, it's just some groceries." And that was the end of it. He must've been new enough to not be jaded yet.

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    3. Re:Keep your mouth shut. by gemtech · · Score: 1

      very, very, very good advice. BTW, I've "stolen" 802.11b/g (I hate "wi-fi" also, it's clearly a marketing phrase), should I go turn myself in? I have a daughter that "steals" it from one of her neighbors in her apartment complex, should she turn herself in? To me, it's like a RADAR or LASER detector for driving: if it's in the airwaves, I should be able to do anything that I want with it, as long as I don't cost anybody any money. Except for speeding tickets, that's a tax anyway.

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    4. Re:Keep your mouth shut. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is a nice video on dealing with cops. It's called BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

    5. Re:Keep your mouth shut. by darjen · · Score: 1

      Number one rule when dealing with cops: Never volunteer information that was not specifically asked for.
      Exactly! I go even further though... When I get pulled over, I simply don't answer any of their questions or say anything at all. And they often ask a lot of stuff that is none of their business. (I've been pulled over more than once for traffic violations). We all have a right to not incriminate ourselves. I have such a low opinion of cops at this point that even just seeing them out on the street pulling someone else over pisses me off.
    6. Re:Keep your mouth shut. by xappax · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "You don't have to tell me what is in the bag unless I ask."

      Though this cop was nicer than most, he was still lying. Even if he asks, you don't have to tell him what's in the bag at all, unless he has reason to believe that you're committing a crime that involves that bag. We have a basic constitutional protection against unreasonable search, and that includes having to give a verbal inventory of everything we're carrying.

      And if he has reason to believe that you're carrying contraband in the bag (which he didn't in this case), you still don't have to tell him, because the 5th amendment says we can't be compelled to incriminate ourselves.

      But to be fair, the cop may not have been lying - he may have genuinely believed that you were required to submit to an arbitrary search/interrogation simply because he asked - which is even scarier in my opinion!

    7. Re:Keep your mouth shut. by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I probably don't have the exact words he used (it was many years ago) so he may not have said "...unless I ask". It may have been just "You don't have to tell me". Anyway, I get your point.

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    8. Re:Keep your mouth shut. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're reading more into his response that he intended, probably due to your severe paranoia.

      What I suspect he meant was "it's perfectly acceptable to avoid telling me what's in your bag, but if I ask, your answer had better be true or that's a problem", in which case he'd be right. That doesn't mean you have to give a piece by piece inventory, but if you say "dog food" and it turns out it's not, then you have some explaining to do.

      In other words, if a cop asks, and you choose to answer, don't lie.

      All that other stupid shit you assumed is just typical slashtroll anti-government garbage that clogs up the board on a daily basis. And I'm fairly certain you never even considered that my explanation existed as that paranoia has so completely enveloped your existence as to shut out reasonable consideration of non-sinister motives.

      And that's pretty fucking pathetic.

    9. Re:Keep your mouth shut. by xappax · · Score: 1

      In other words, if a cop asks, and you choose to answer, don't lie.

      This is true, and a good point. No matter how much of a right we have to "remain silent", actively telling the cops lies is a very bad idea. If a cop notices that you're lying (even if it's a harmless lie unrelated to a crime), that's usually all the evidence they need to search or detain you.

      All that other stupid shit you assumed...

      The only thing I assumed was that the story the OP related, and specifically what the cop told him/her was accurate. The cop (supposedly) said "You don't have to tell me what is in the bag unless I ask." That's incorrect. There are two possibilities: either the cop is deliberately lying, or he is honestly mistaken about the law, both of which I acknowledged.

      As it turns out, the cop may not have said "unless I ask", so the point may be moot. Either way, it seems like when you wrote What I suspect he meant was... you were being at least as if not more presumptuous than me.

      typical slashtroll anti-government garbage

      Oh noes! Guilty! You got me, I am in fact, an anarchist. Now that you know this, feel free to disregard all reasoned arguments I present :)

    10. Re:Keep your mouth shut. by plover · · Score: 1
      "Oh, yes. I'm radioactive!"

      At least it's an efficient way to get yourself Rodney Kinged.

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    11. Re:Keep your mouth shut. by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Yes, you might accidental admit to a crime, but there's an even better reason to not talk to cops.

      It's illegal to lie to cops. Now, that requires intent in theory, but in practice they can get you for any falsehood.

      So if the cops ask you anything, don't refuse on 5th amendment grounds, which, in theory, requires you to actually have a belief you could incriminate yourself. And don't refuse on 1st amendment grounds that you can't be forced to speak.

      Instead, say something like 'As I understand the law, responding in a certain way to your questions is a felony. I hope you'll understand if I don't risk that by refusing to speak to you at all.'.

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  21. Open == Implied Permission? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought if the WiFi spot was completely open, no encryption, no required login, no nothing, then it implied that the offerer was giving permission without a user needing to come up face-to-face and ask "hey, may I use your internet?"

    1. Re:Open == Implied Permission? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      I thought when people put food in the office frig without their name on it, it was fair game. Untill I schnorffed down that tray of Exlax brownies...

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    2. Re:Open == Implied Permission? by NickFitz · · Score: 1

      And now you know you were wrong.

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  22. Open access point==permission? by D-Fens · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The fact that the access point was unsecured implies tacit permission. Technology exists to give temporary tokens to users in a coffee shop setting(one-time password on your coffee receipt). Discuss.

    1. Re:Open access point==permission? by peterprior · · Score: 1

      Indeed - as it's been said before on slashdot, his DHCP client said "can I have an address to access / use this network please?" and the Access Point replied with "Sure - here you go".

      I'd call that authorised access.

    2. Re:Open access point==permission? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      The fact that the access point was unsecured implies tacit permission.


      No, it doesn't. Any more than the fact that your door is unlocked or your window open is "tacit permission" for me to come in and take a nap on your bed.
  23. Fair or not, your responsibility... by nick_davison · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it seems few in the village of Sparta, Mich., were aware that using an unsecured Wi-Fi connection without the owner's permission--a practice known as piggybacking--was a felony Whether it's something we see as fair or not, the law considers it your duty to familiarize yourself with it or accept the consequences of not being familiar with it.

    I'd argue against it but, frankly, without it, Paris Hilton's, "Like, uh, I'm rich! My nail buffer said I could like totally keep driving with a suspended license. I, like, had no idea that was bad." would have been a valid defense.
    1. Re:Fair or not, your responsibility... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      True, but it's a private wi-fi, offered for free. Clearly there was nor eason to suspect it's illegality. Quite frankly he probably could ahve won.

      I am going to use a home analogy. I am doing so to make a point, not equate the two.

      It is illegal to enter my home, but if I stand at the door and say "Come on in." It would not be reasonable to think that if you came in you would be charged with breaking and entering.

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    2. Re:Fair or not, your responsibility... by Bearpaw · · Score: 1

      Whether it's something we see as fair or not, the law considers it your duty to familiarize yourself with it or accept the consequences of not being familiar with it.

      I'd argue against it but, frankly, without it, Paris Hilton's, "Like, uh, I'm rich! My nail buffer said I could like totally keep driving with a suspended license. I, like, had no idea that was bad." would have been a valid defense.

      In general, that's true, but I gather that most judges don't expect everyone to be thoroughly familiar with laws and legal ramifications. It's worth noting in this case that the cop reportedly wasn't sure whether he was breaking the law, while pretty much any cop would know that it's not legal to drive with a suspended license.

      (I'm not saying that the cops knowledge is the deciding factor, only pointing out that knowing the law isn't always as straightforward as your Hilton example.)

    3. Re:Fair or not, your responsibility... by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      Whether it's something we see as fair or not, the law considers it your duty to familiarize yourself with it or accept the consequences of not being familiar with it.

      Of course, laws in the US can be kept secret now . . .

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  24. Something doesn't add up here. by ewhenn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How can he be charged with a crime for using a FREE service. If I put a drinking fountain in front of my house and put a sign up that said "FREE water", how could I charge someone with criminal unauthorized use if they came up and took a drink? It kinda sounds like the guy got the shaft to me.

  25. It's not clear from the article... by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Was the WiFi there to encourage people to come in to the cafe, or was it for private use?

    If it was for private use, shouldn't it be the owner pressing charges? I mean, that's the person nominally injured. And it's not like this was, say, a murder.

    Still, lesson learned.

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    1. Re:It's not clear from the article... by rs79 · · Score: 1

      It does sort of beg the question, if the crime was "unauthorized use" then who would have had to "authorize" it? The store owner? Did said store owner really want to have a potential customer busted for this? Why didn't the store owner say "he's authorized"?

      Sounds to me like the store owner called the cops and is now playing dumb.

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    2. Re:It's not clear from the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One more example of how law enforcement is a complete waste of public resources. Those lazy bums always seem to go after low priority, non-violent, non-issues. Have a murderer, rapists, or gang-bangers on the loose and those lazy bums are nowhere to be found. Except hiding at the police station, at their houses, or their whore's house, or in the coffee shop. But watch out if your trying to get some free net access and those pigs come out of the woodwork like gangbusters

  26. Bravo! by evil_aar0n · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Milanowski didn't immediately cite or arrest Peterson, mostly because he wasn't certain a crime had been committed. "I had a feeling a law was being broken," the chief said. Milanowski did some research and found Michigan's "Fraudulent access to computers, computer systems, and computer networks" law, a felony punishable by five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

    A job well done to chief Milanowski. Way to dig for a tool to hit the guy with. Instead of tracking down drug dealers, thieves or physically abusive spouses - or even setting speed traps - he's protecting the town against wi-fi users. I feel so much safer...

    I wonder if it came into consideration the idea that a) using a freely offered wi-fi connection doesn't seem to cover the intent of the law as described; and b) the cafe offered the wi-fi connection _freely_. Whether it was offered specifically to customers or anyone in a radius - which isn't made clear - the cafe was offering and didn't even complain about the guy using it. They certainly could either post a sign saying, "Must be a customer to use this service," like restrooms, or enable a key that would be given out only to customers.

    Again, Bravo! to chief Wiggum - oops, Milanowski - for going well out of his way to bust someone. You, sir, are a shining example of what law enforcement should be like - in a police state...

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    1. Re:Bravo! by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Okay, but don't blame the cop, he was literally just doing his job. What, you want him to pick and choose what laws to enforce? Blame the legislators... and while you're at it, blame the people really at fault: the voters.

    2. Re:Bravo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      A job well done to chief Milanowski. Way to dig for a tool to hit the guy with. Instead of tracking down drug dealers, thieves or physically abusive spouses - or even setting speed traps - he's protecting the town against wi-fi users. I feel so much safer...

      Huh? A typical cop would arrest the guy and then see if there's something to charge him with. He did the right thing, and is following the letter of the law. If he sees a crime being committed it is his duty to do something about it, no matter if you think it isn't a crime or not.

    3. Re:Bravo! by jack1323 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A police officer notices someone doing something slightly suspicious, so he approaches the individual and asks some questions. Not fully sure a law is being broken, he does his homework. After finding out that a law was indeed broken, he swears out a warrant for his arrest.

      I have to say, I don't see anything wrong with that.

      Now, I completely agree with your sentiments that the law is dumb and should be changed. But don't blame a police officer for doing his job.

    4. Re:Bravo! by fireylord · · Score: 0

      the 'just doing my job' thing is the excuse of the morally vacuous.
      If people have to excuse themselves, or be excused, for 'just doing their job' then they're in the wrong career.

    5. Re:Bravo! by Altus · · Score: 1


      your right, but in this case a perfectly productive "doing something" would have been to just let the guy know that what he is doing is against the law and maybe let him know how he can be on the right side of the law.

      I just hope that, even with the reduced sentence, this guy doesn't have a felony arrest and conviction on his record. He might never work again.

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    6. Re:Bravo! by DrJimbo · · Score: 1

      A police officer notices someone doing something slightly suspicious, so he approaches the individual and asks some questions. Not fully sure a law is being broken, he does his homework. After finding out that a law was indeed broken, he swears out a warrant for his arrest.

      I have to say, I don't see anything wrong with that.
      Since the chief of police didn't know if the law was being broken, it is possible, perhaps likely that the "offender" didn't realize he was breaking the law either. Instead of swearing out a warrant for the man's arrest, the chief should have simply informed the man he was breaking the law and told him to move along.

      If the police "just did their job" and wrote out a warrant for every unintentional infraction of the law, no matter how minor then every person in America would eventually get arrested.

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    7. Re:Bravo! by Myopic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Law enforcement is a hard one. Laws come from different people than the people who enforce them, and generally we want to defer to the laws themselves (The Rule Of Law), which is the same as deferring to the people who made the laws. For instance, we expect the President to obey the law, not just to act willy nilly. Same with cops: we hire them to enforce the law. We wouldn't want cops running around refusing to arrest people for cocaine possession just because the cops is a blowhead. We want cops to enforce the laws, and that is right and proper. If the cop is enforcing a bad law, the fault is with the law (...with the legislators ...with the voters), not with the cop.

    8. Re:Bravo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the law should be enforced--at least so people know about it. If it's not a good law, then people should move to change it. That seems more efficient than keeping un-enforced laws on the books (though less efficient than changing them before they are enacted). This is still much better than the officer arresting the guy before researching what crime could have been committed.

      Here, I would think the big danger would be guarding people against legal responsibility for illegal actions taken by unauthorized users (e.g., someone roams, then uses your access point to deface websites or help launder money). In this case, the punishment was dropped from felony and 14 years to a $400 fine, community service, and a clean record.

    9. Re:Bravo! by rantingkitten · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One wonders what the hell the judge was smoking to agree that this guy's use of the access point was obtained by "fraudulent" means. Did he, like, sneak his way into range of it under cover of darkness, use social engineering to get the parking space, and spend hours cracking the nonexistent password?

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    10. Re:Bravo! by evil_aar0n · · Score: 1

      I agree that police - as well as politicians, and other public servants - should do their jobs. But I'm sure there were, are and will be higher priority items for our cops to work on. You know, things that might actually keep the public safe, or help out someone who's been wronged.

      For example, the last few times I've bit the bullet and gone down to the police station to ask for assistance, or file some complaint, I've been totally blown off. They don't care. They don't _have_ to care. Someone broke into your house and stole your stuff? Yeah, we'll look into it, but don't hold your breath. In fact, if you push your luck, we'll look into it deep enough that we'll find something to use against _you_. Go 'way, boy, you bother me.

      Someone backed into your car and drove away, leaving $800 worth of damage? Yeah, we won't ask any of the 15 potential witnesses if they saw anything; it's too much work to get out of my patrol car. Um.

      No, instead, they're harassing guys for sitting in front of a cafe using free wi-fi. _That's_ not serving the public. That's fiddling while Rome burns, and those cops should be embarrassed that they spent that much time on a non-issue rather than any of the umpteen other matters that would actually make a difference.

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    11. Re:Bravo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We wouldn't want cops running around refusing to arrest people for cocaine possession..."

      Yes, we would, since the outlawing of recreational drugs is unjustifiable. If we didn't have anyone willing to enforce unjust laws then they wouldn't cause any harm. And I would find anyone accused of cocaine possession Not Guilty if I were on the jury. Did they assault someone? Did they defraud someone? Did they steal something? Did they recklessly endanger anyone? No? Then what the hell are they doing on trial! Legislation that is designed to mold society into what we want it to be is just oppression, plain and simple. Legislation can only justly acknowledge natural rights and establish protections for them. No one is violating my rights by doing Cocaine, let alone by merely possessing it.

      Nice that we've created a massive monopoly for criminals, though.

    12. Re:Bravo! by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Legislatures give police some priorities; executives give them some priorities; and I guess the rest they make for themselves. But if you want cops to come up with priorities, don't complain when they are ignoring your petty thievery in preference for whatever they think is important.

      I agree with you, man, that busting a dude for using free wifi is totally ridiculous, but really, what do you want the cop to do? Let the guy break the law? Ignore for one moment that you think it's a dumb law (I think so too), just ask yourself whether you want cops to be running around deciding when and where to enforce the law? I don't want that. I want the cop to always enforce every law, and let the courts sort it all out. That's what the courts are for. And of course my preference overall is to have far, far fewer laws, especially shit laws like this one.

      Still, it's not the cop's fault, it's the voters' fault for electing and re-electing legislators that pass these bad laws.

      OR, if you prefer, it's no one's fault, because the voters like the law, and it's our problem if we don't like it. Fuck us, we're not the majority.

    13. Re:Bravo! by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Good point, and I totally agree. Let me try another example.

      We wouldn't want cops running around refusing to arrest people who rape and murder elderly grandmothers in full view of their weeping adolescent adopted grandchildren, just because the cop is himself a rapist-murder with a penchant for the elderly.

      You are still addressing the law instead of the enforcement. My point is that cops are there to enforce laws. I don't want cops to make the law, I want my legislators to make the law -- I want cops to enforce them as blindly as possible.

    14. Re:Bravo! by gwk · · Score: 1

      Sadly he inst even as smart as wiggum...

      Wiggum: Once a man is in your house anything you do to him is nice and legal...

      Homer: Hey flanders come here

      Wiggum: Ahh you cant invite him

      Probably not word for word I haven't seen that episode in a while. "Cape fear"

      Router: here
      laptop: Hey can I come in?
      Router: sure here is a name tag welcome in...

    15. Re:Bravo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't that great of a point, actually.
      The other side to "cops should only enforce the laws they agree with" is that lots of stupid laws get left on the books. Nobody gets arrested, there's no media coverage, and no one cares. All of those "mostly ignored" laws become tools for punishing people on a whim -- the local mayor can have you arrested if you disagree with him. "But everybody breaks that law!" Sorry, buddy, but you're still in jail, and it's all perfectly legal.

      In most cases, the police should enforce the laws on the books consistently, and also facilitate *changing* the laws the proper way as much as possible. If you're a cop arresting someone for a law that you feel is unfair and/or not accomplishing its goal, you explain the situation to them, outline their best options, and maybe phone a newspaper. If you're really good, you'll try to make sure your message is getting to both voters and officials.

      The main exception is when the system is broken enough that changing the law will be impossible, and particularly laws that are actively breaking the system (and are often unconstitutional). But even with something like the patriot act, what will get it changed? If only a few people disappear and are never heard from again? Or if lots of people are affected, and it's all publicized as much as possible?

    16. Re:Bravo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another thought on that subject... if the cop always has the choice whether to enforce the law or not, how does he decide?

      Based on acquaintance? Race? Age? Attractiveness? 'Cause it likely won't often be "I've studied this law and decided it's unjust".

      Sure, he always "has the choice", and should be aware that there are times to exercise that choice (even if he may end up fired or in jail himself because of it). But how many cops will take that risk over cocaine possession?

  27. Cue the Slashdot chorus... by DerekLyons · · Score: 0

    explaining how leaving your keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked is implicit permission to for them to take your car for a joyride.

    1. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by TheWoozle · · Score: 1

      Please explain how connecting to a network is property theft? Is the person in question "stealing" bits?

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    2. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      explaining how leaving your keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked is implicit permission to for them to take your car for a joyride.

            Your insurance company sure thinks it is. Ask them if they will pay out under these circumstances?

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    3. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Please explain how connecting to a network is property theft?


      It isn't.

      OTOH, no one claimed it was. Its also not "property theft" if you leave your door unlocked, and someone comes in and and takes a nap on your couch.

      The law doesn't generally view the absence of access controls—whether on your car, your home, or your network—as free permission to use.

      It may, in certain case, be one piece of evidence used with others to establish that the person intruding didn't have intent to intrude, and reasonably believed they had permission, which might defeat some, particularly criminal, liability.
    4. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by JonathanR · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a better analogy would be: Leaving the seat next to you vacant while travelling on public transport, and getting shitty because somebody actually sat next to you.

    5. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by jshriverWVU · · Score: 1

      No, but stealing bandwidth. Say you're at home playing Wii/PS3 or whatever and using a lot of your wifi bandwidth for gaming. Then all of a sudden you notice a huge lag that continues, because someone is using your wifi connection. Granted there isn't anything physical being stolen, but you are paying for a service with a set limit and by someone else using it it's limiting you using what you paid for.

    6. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can respond to this statement. In the case of car you know it is not for you to use, key or not, because a key does not have the potential to mean public and free. In the case of WiFi, the signal reaches out to you as a broadcast. The FCC says that in order to be allowed to produce these signals on public airwaves we must have the right to receive them. Otherwise they would be trespassing on private property each time the turned the box on. That was the deal made when radio signals were first created and why you cannot jam them, it is also why you can have a satellite dish. You can get any signal they send, you do not have the right to crack an encrypted signal but you may receive it. WiFi, unlike a car in most cases, can be intended as a free public service just like a park. It is possible for a city, company or private citizen to knowingly wish you to receive their signal. There is nothing a part from a key that really tells you this is not the case for any given signal. How can you depend on a sign, that may be posted miles from the receiver? If you are broadcasting a free signal how is a client supposed to know they are not allowed to use one signal and not the other when in many cases they may be intended to use it? In this case it is was pretty clear but what about these. A college dorm where Connie says sure you my wireless, but does not explicitly say Dick was allowed. You are in Lowe's and check your e-mail, not realizing the city wireless has been overwhelmed by the Lowe's signal. In a coffee shop that happens to be next to hardware shop where each has wireless network that happens to share the same name. This happens all the time with LinkSys defaults. In this case depending on where you happen to sit, you may or may not be committing a felony. What about when you are in the Marriott and log on to what you think is free wireless like many do offer only to find out you are using the in house bank's network. I have personally been in a situation where in one room I saw 3 signals all of which were open, I had to call to find out which was the correct one. What would have happened if my in room's box was down and I only saw only 1 signal, I would reasonably assume that was the correct one and use. The problem with this law is that it has the potential to entrap innocent people and the alternative of forcing all free hot spots to use a passwords or for a user to look for permission to use a public air wave is oppressive to free speech and public forums. It is much simpler to require that if you do not intend to have people use your signal do not transmit a signal that essentially says, "Public Property." In this regards the Constitution has been interpreted to say that in cases where a public forum or speech may need to be restricted for the greater public good that the least restrictive approach that solves the problem should always be taken. I would argue that since these unsecured signals have the possibility of being free, they are often used to create a free and public service, and the penalty for mistaking one for the other is so great that the least restrictive means to uphold the law here is to require those that mean their signal to be private to add a key. So back to your statement a unlocked car with keys in it. In the case of WiFi, it is more like you are walking in a park talking with your friends. When you happen to walk out of the parks bounds and onto private property. In theses case, most private property owners are required to post a No Trespassing sign to make this distinction clear. Why is WiFi which is often a form of public forum treated as privileged in this case when we do not require the same of other like situations? To put it another way, why are we bringing the risk of harm to the public at large to protect the ignorant or lazy.

    7. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by furball · · Score: 1

      My insurance company isn't the arbitrator of the law. The contract I sign may spell out the terms under which they pay out but legally, if you got in my car under the conditions described above and took it for a joyride, you may find yourself in jail. The insurance company not paying doesn't have a single impact on you going to jail for car theft.

    8. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between the letter of the law and common sense. I agree with you that in a perfect world where people blindly obey the letter of the law, then you should be able to leave your car running with the keys inside, and even $5000 in $100 bills on the passenger seat and not have to worry about it. However if you take your head out of the textbook for a second you will realize that a) if you do that, say goodbye to your cash and probably your car and b) YOU ARE A FOOL.

      It's like the woman who got all dolled up, wore a tight miniskirt and not much else, who went to the roughest part of town. Then she starting telling everyone "hey guys, I LOVE to fuck". Did she ask to get raped? No. Does it JUSTIFY the rape? NO. But frankly, will you be surprised when you read about it in the paper the next morning? I know I won't.

      Law is not equal to reality. Common sense ALWAYS applies. If you post a sign that says FREE, and make your services easily available to everyone - why the HELL do you complain if someone actually uses it in a manner you didn't expect? People are opportunists, after all. It's a survival thing. It's built in.

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    9. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      explaining how leaving your keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked is implicit permission to for them to take your car for a joyride.

      Your insurance company sure thinks it is. Ask them if they will pay out under these circumstances?

      If my car is taken for a joyride, it's extremely unlikely my insurance company will have to pay anything. (I specified joyriding - not theft, vandalism, or damage.)
       
      In any event, yes - my insurance company will pay if payment is required. And the joyriders will be prosecuted if caught. That's the law - take my car without my permission, even temporarily, and you have comitted a crime. Whether or not I have secured it is irrelevant.
    10. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      It's no different than plugging your RV into my electric outlet or running a hose from my water spigot to your pool. Connecting to the network is using resources (bandwidth) and property (the router) that I pay for. Under the law - using someone elses resources and property without their permission or outside the conditions they set, is theft. It's not really such a hard concept to understand.

    11. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      How precisely is an analogy that has nothing whatsoever to do with the situation better? The seat on public transport is public property. The bandwith and router involved here are private property.
       
      Public, private, two very different words with very different meanings.

    12. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      I agree with you that in a perfect world where people blindly obey the letter of the law, then you should be able to leave your car running with the keys inside, and even $5000 in $100 bills on the passenger seat and not have to worry about it. However if you take your head out of the textbook for a second you will realize that a) if you do that, say goodbye to your cash and probably your car and b) YOU ARE A FOOL.


      Foolish or not.. it doesn't magically mean that the guy who took the car and the money didn't break the law. He can't argue "the owner obviously gave me the car since he left it running"
    13. Re:Cue the Slashdot chorus... by Big_Al_B · · Score: 1

      I'm a senior network engineer for a large regional ISP. It's my job to design, implement, and maintain a secure network at work, and I also do the same at home. Hackers suck and I think purposeful war-driving is a really punk move.

      That said, I think I can explain why, in many cases, this punk move is not illegal and certainly not a felony--without resorting to analogies at all, crappy or otherwise.

      1) The factory default config for most WAPs is to transmit an network identifier and a message that says, "Are you there?" From the technology's perspective, this makes them the active party in establishing connections.

      2) The factory default config for most wireless client devices is to not transmit unless one of those "AYT" messages is received from a WAP. This makes them the passive party with regard to establishing a connection.

      3) This means that, according this case, if you have a wifi-enabled laptop with a default wifi config powered on within radio range of an open WAP that's not yours, you've probably commited a felony. You have gained unauthorized access to the WAP and gotten further network access through an automatic access negotiation that you *did not initiate* nor taken any deliberate steps to complete. Nice, huh?

      4) This is the case whether or not you ever run a network application on your "by default"-connected laptop such as a mail client, browser, or P2P software. The access was gained regardless of how you use it--or don't. Technically speaking, you can and should be charged with a felony in Sparta without ever intentionally sending a single IP packet.

      So, in essense applying the law as was done in Sparta implies that one party is criminally responsible for the *passive* default behavior of his/her computer (wifi client) while the other party is not considered responsible for the *active* default behavior of their computer (wifi WAP).

      Shouldn't both parties be held responsible for their own default configs? Shouldn't the party whose device "made the first move" be held responsible for accessing the other party's computer?

      Shouldn't someone have taken some intentional proactive action to be charged with a felony? I think so. Maybe I'm crazy.Z

  28. Fifth amendment? by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The officer extracted a confession out of a citizen without informing them of their rights. Can we now expect officers to start feigning ignorance about obscure laws only to claim later they looked it up and then use previous confessions to throw people in jail?

    1. Re:Fifth amendment? by grape+jelly · · Score: 1

      Four points:

      1. The fifth amendment doesn't guarantee you protection against voluntary self-incrimination. How else would anyone be able to plead guilty or otherwise confess to a crime?

      2. It's standard cop behavior to play dumb. How many times have you been stopped by a traffic cop who asked you, "do you know why I stopped you?" Answering in the affirmative is almost always an acknowledgment of wrongdoing admissible in court.

      3. According to TFA, neither the man nor the cop knew what he was doing is illegal. Therefore, the cop couldn't extract a confession.

      4. The courts have repeatedly ruled that you are just as culpable for breaking a law you are unaware of, as ones you are aware of.

    2. Re:Fifth amendment? by grape+jelly · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm amending point #1. :)

      1. The fifth amendment doesn't guarantee you protection against self-incrimination. Rather, it allows you to legally deny requests from the authorities whose results may incriminate you (e.g., avoidance of obstruction of justice charges). You can have a right not to answer their questions, deliver evidence, etc., etc., etc, on the condition that it would demonstrate you guilty of *some* crime.

      If we assume voluntary confessions inadmissible in court as a result of the fifth amendment, nobody would be able to plead guilty to a crime -- that constitutes self-incrimination. Similarly, criminals who turn themselves in would have to be turned away because by turning themselves in, they are incriminating themselves.

      The officer asked the man, "What are you doing?" It was and still is fully within the man's right to say, "I with to use my fifth amendment right and not answer." However, the man unwittingly offered up what amounted to an admissible confession, and was thusly boned.

    3. Re:Fifth amendment? by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 1

      I've read the article before. The cop simply stated he didn't know WHICH law it was. He did believe a law was being broken, however. Rather than looking it up and then finding a way to tie the man to the wifi access, he went and had the man confess to him without ever even indicating a law was being broken (despite his belief there was one being broken).

      The fact is a police officer questioned the man while under the belief that he had committed a crime (it is not uncommon for the police to not know what law a defendant will be charged under) and failed to inform him of his right to an attorney before answering his questions.

      This was not a traffic stop where he would've known he had either broken the law or the police officer believed he had so that argument is moot. The cop believed he'd broken the law and concealed that belief. The fifth amendment DOES protect against the use of a confession if the defendant was not informed of their rights. I know this for a fact because despite my very own brother KNOWING that driving a car he'd had an accident in was illegal (reckless driving ahoy), his admission that he had in fact been driving was thrown out because the officer who had asked him had not informed him of his right to a lawyer!

      If this becomes common, we'll be opening ourselves up to "dumb cops" trampling the rights of anyone they come across. "I don't know need to inform anyone of their rights because these things aren't against the law!" "Oh, I just found out they are and they admitted it, bring in the wagons, boys!"

    4. Re:Fifth amendment? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Look, informing you about your rights when you're arrested is to tell you what rights you have left. You have all sorts of rights before that and if you don't know your rights or choose not to exercise them, your problem. If you admit freely to a police officer that you've committed a crime, what do you expect? If it was any other way, you'd have a rush of criminals anxious to confess everything before the police could read them their rights.

      "Evening ma'm, we're investigating a robbery in the neighborhood and was wondering if you've seen something..."
      "It was me. Haha, you didn't read me my rights yet so you can't touch me!"

      And if you think it's "feigning ignorance", I dare you to memorize the whole penal code with all major precedents. If it's in the gray you may have to check up on the law to find out if it's illegal or not. Hell, you might even have to let a court decide it.

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    5. Re:Fifth amendment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For better or worse, the Miranda decision only applies to "custodial" police interrogation. That is, unless you have been taken into custody by the police, you can be questioned without a reading of your Miranda rights. Of course, if you are not in custody, you are also free to walk away without answering any questions. The difference: while you can refuse to answer while in custody, you are prevented from walking away - a distinction the Court felt led custodial interrogation to be more coercive and require an affirmative reading of your rights in order for statements made to be admissible in court.

      As an aside, the prohibition on using un-Mirandized statements in court only applies if they were made in response to a question intended to elicit a potentially incriminating statement. Thus, if a police officer asks you, "Would you like a cup of coffee?" and you respond, "Okay, I admit it, I did it!" then your statements are admissible in court, Mirandized or not.

    6. Re:Fifth amendment? by OwenMarshall · · Score: 1

      "I've read the article before. The cop simply stated he didn't know WHICH law it was. He did believe a law was being broken, however. Rather than looking it up and then finding a way to tie the man to the wifi access, he went and had the man confess to him without ever even indicating a law was being broken (despite his belief there was one being broken).

      The fact is a police officer questioned the man while under the belief that he had committed a crime (it is not uncommon for the police to not know what law a defendant will be charged under) and failed to inform him of his right to an attorney before answering his questions."

      Short answer: you are wrong, please examine Miranda v. Arizona and the concept of statements against penal interest

      You are thinking of the Miranda rights, and completely misunderstanding them. The Miranda warning is only used in custodial situations -- eg, when an arrest is made.

      Example: I am walking down the street, and an officer says "What's up?". I tell him I just killed my girlfriend. No problem -- I get arrested right there. I cannot claim a Miranda violation because:

      1. I could've walked away without talking to the officer.
      2. I made a statement against penal interest, volunteering the incriminating information.

      Now, if the officer placed me in a custodial situation, different ball of wax.

      But, the main point is this -- your rights are your own. The Miranda warning is a prophylaxis designed to "remind" a person of their rights, not a guaranteed right in se.

    7. Re:Fifth amendment? by dayid · · Score: 1

      Please go look into excited utterances and perhaps take a law course at your local high school. You will find that this is perfectly excusable.

    8. Re:Fifth amendment? by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      That is to say, the correct thing to say to any police officer is exactly what you said to your mom as a kid ... "nothing" :-)

      "What are you doing in your car sir?" - "Nothing."
      "What are you doing with that money sir?" - "Nothing."
      "What are you doing with that woman sir?" - "Nothing."

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    9. Re:Fifth amendment? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      The officer extracted a confession out of a citizen without informing them of their rights.


      Cops don't have to inform you of your rights to ask you questions, even if they think you might be committing a crime. They do in certain circumstances, like custodial interrogation, but, otherwise, no.

      They can walk up to you on the street and ask what you are doing, and you can say "Transporting cocaine that I intend to sell", and they can arrest you, and you aren't going to get off by saying "Hey, no fair, you didn't read me my rights!"

      You can always refuse to answer. There are fairly narrow circumstances where cops have to tell you that you have that right.

      Can we now expect officers to start feigning ignorance about obscure laws only to claim later they looked it up and then use previous confessions to throw people in jail?


      Probably not, since the cop's ignorance of the law is mostly irrelevant to the absence of a 5th Amendment violation here.
    10. Re:Fifth amendment? by manifoldronin · · Score: 1

      I'm amending point #1. :)

      1. The fifth amendment doesn't

      But GP's point 1 wasn't about the 5th Amendment, not directly anyway. It was about Miranda rights, which while admittedly came from the 5th Amendment, but have become a rule on its own. In other words, a court can deem a confession inadmissible simply on the basis of the suspect having not been read his rights prior to the confession, rather than invoking the 5th Amendment and rule on the constitutionality of the police extracting the confession.
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  29. Felony == criminal by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unauthorized computer access is a crime, as it should be. This particular instance, however, probably should not be. It wasn't just an unsecured access point, it was deliberately unsecured to provide free wi-fi, and even the store owner didn't think the guy had comitted a crime. He probably should have realized that "free wi-fi" meant "free if you come in to the store, and hopefully buy something". The penalty handed down by the judge it says is because he had no record, but I would bet it's also the judge realizing that he wasn't being malicious, he just made a mistake that didn't really cost anyone anything.

    This is an example of why mandatory minimum sentences are bad. It's done to "get tough" on criminals, but all it does is force judges to "get stupid" and not be able to apply any judgement to cases like this one.

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    1. Re:Felony == criminal by techmuse · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even worse, the guy now has a felony conviction on his record, which will probably make it very hard for him to get many jobs, loans, or anything else where they do a background check on you. He's basically had his life ruined because he was using a free service that the coffee shop was willingly providing (and advertising!) as a free service for anyone who wanted it!

    2. Re:Felony == criminal by sangreal66 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Actually, that is not true.

      From the original article:

      He'll pay a $400 fine and do 40 hours of community service, but it will not go on his record. http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6546307
    3. Re:Felony == criminal by Ngarrang · · Score: 1

      Even worse, the guy now has a felony conviction on his record, which will probably make it very hard for him to get many jobs, loans, or anything else where they do a background check on you. He's basically had his life ruined because he was using a free service that the coffee shop was willingly providing (and advertising!) as a free service for anyone who wanted it!

      The parking lot of a store is meant for customers, that is why many of them have to put up signs to remind people of this, because we have stupid people and laws to protect them from themselves if a sign was not present to tell the person what they should have known already.

      Okay, so the store had a free WiFi. Clearly, this was meant to draw in customers. This guy was not only taking up a parking spot meant for customers, but he was using bandwidth meant for customers. Yes, he is a thief and deserved to be punished. The fine and community service seems a tad high, but then again, this could become a slippery slope. A precedent needs to be set.

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    4. Re:Felony == criminal by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      This guy was not only taking up a parking spot meant for customers, but he was using bandwidth meant for customers.


      If the bandwidth was meant for customers only then the coffee shop should have configured their equipment to express that the bandwidth was for customers only. Instead, possibly out of incompetence, they configured their equipment to express that the bandwidth was for anyone and everyone.

      If the coffee shop puts a table out front with a sign on it that says "Free samples" and a shop employee accidentally puts really expensive coffee out there instead of what they wanted to give away, and someone takes it, is the person who took it a criminal? I sure hope not.

    5. Re:Felony == criminal by Ngarrang · · Score: 1

      If the bandwidth was meant for customers only then the coffee shop should have configured their equipment to express that the bandwidth was for customers only. Instead, possibly out of incompetence, they configured their equipment to express that the bandwidth was for anyone and everyone. This comment illustrates my point exactly. Dishonest people, who think they can rip other people off of their goods/services, but because there wasn't a sign, they can claim ignorance and put the onus on the company to have to produce a sign to tell the next person, "For Customers Only". The slippery slope of this moral ground is dangerous and should be avoided at all costs.
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    6. Re:Felony == criminal by VWJedi · · Score: 1

      It wasn't just an unsecured access point, it was deliberately unsecured to provide free wi-fi, and even the store owner didn't think the guy had comitted a crime.

      If the store owner believed anyone within range of the store could legally access free wi-fi, then the act of setting up free wi-fi consituted an open invitation. If Peterson knew the store owner's position, then he believed he was accessing a network with authorization. Unfortunately, his statements to the police probably killed this defense.

    7. Re:Felony == criminal by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      This comment illustrates my point exactly. Dishonest people, who think they can rip other people off of their goods/services, but because there wasn't a sign,


      There WAS a sign. It said "this network is open to the public". This sign was being broadcast multiple times a second on public frequencies (among other means).

    8. Re:Felony == criminal by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Unauthorized computer access is a crime


      But, if he didn't access any computers he wasn't supposed to....just a network....that statement doesn't really mean anything.

      Layne
    9. Re:Felony == criminal by el+americano · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well the cop could've given this guy a break.

      Milanowski, who eventually swore out a warrant for Peterson, doesn't believe Milanowski knew he was breaking the law. "In my opinion, probably not. Most people probably don't."

      Where I grew up, the police would've just come over and said, "Hey, you shouldn't be doing that. Don't let me see you down here again." Instead, this jerk writes up a warrant. I guess that "To protect, and to serve." idea is really an anachronism these days.

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    10. Re:Felony == criminal by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      The coffee shop could always line their walls with metal so that the Wi-Fi signal can only be received from within the shop......free, open gateway that is secure from those who shouldn't be using it.

      Layne

    11. Re:Felony == criminal by Himring · · Score: 1

      It's all barney fife crap. No one, yet, has said anything about the cop. Give me a friggin break. Any mature, level-headed police officer -- ok few of those -- would have been cool and blown this off. How many of us have seen them totally turn the other way when a stranded motorist needs help, or there's a blatant traffic violation. I saw a statistic that only 1 in 2,000 crimes are seen by cops, and of those 1 in 2,000 are acted on.

      This is beyond ridiculous and it's funny to watch you guys and your analogies.

      Truly, nothing to see here. Move along. The judge should have laughed and tossed this out, but I understand there's some moronic law -- that even the cop wasn't sure of!?!

      There used to be a dumb law in my town called "public drunkedness." People got arrested for drinking beer on their front porch. Since, the city axed it, but not before a lot of folks were harrassed.

      Just because some dolts passed some half-assed law doesn't make it make sense, and this doesn't. I mean, my gosh, the coffe shop manager said it was ok?!? Wtf?!?

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    12. Re:Felony == criminal by CompMD · · Score: 1

      If they did want to throw the book at him, as a convicted felon he'd be unable to own a firearm or even vote because he used a coffee shop's wifi.

      The punishment fits the crime how?

    13. Re:Felony == criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good news...now I have a basis to start extorting my entire neighborhood.

    14. Re:Felony == criminal by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      What do you think the router is? Yoou can't "access the network" without negotiating with the router.

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    15. Re:Felony == criminal by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      Where I grew up, the police would've just come over and said, "Hey, you shouldn't be doing that. Don't let me see you down here again." Instead, this jerk writes up a warrant. I guess that "To protect, and to serve." idea is really an anachronism these days.

      Yeah, especially since the cop wasn't actually aware this was a crime, you'd think he just could have gave the guy a warning and let it drop. I don't think he even checked with the store owner to see if she cared. It does seem like quite the asshole move.

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    16. Re:Felony == criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I don't understand is how you can be convicted for misusing a small service offered by a store for customers when the owner her/himself doesn't even press charges. Like taking a parking spot meant for customers only and then being prosecuted and put in jail by the state. As if it's some kind of societal problem or involves 'homeland security' (ah such a nice Orwellian name). After all he wasn't spying or anything, everybody knew it was an open network, it's even arguable that he was stealing something. And even then, the severity of the punishment, 4 years, 10.000$ fine and a permanent record for 'computer fraud', is ridiculous for the misdeed committed. It's a brave new world of technology indeed, I guess.

    17. Re:Felony == criminal by El+Gigante+de+Justic · · Score: 1

      he was using a free service that the coffee shop was willingly providing (and advertising!) as a free service for anyone who wanted it! The coffee shop was providing the wifi access for free to customers, which is an important distinction. The closest analogy (that no one has used yet) would be a hotel that advertises a free fitness center, or heated pool or HBO. I can't just come in and use those services off of the the street, I have to pay for a room (same for the hotels free wi-fi). Likewise, when a restaurant or coffee shop advertises free wi-fi, even if the sign doesn't state it, it's implied that its free wi-fi for paying customers. If the people using the wi-fi don't make purchases, then there is no reason to supply it. While its true those businesses could apply some sort of access scheme, its usually too much of a hassle for most customers if you make them enter some sort of encryption key and frankly, a lot of laptop users probably don't know how. Hotels often have one of those log-in screens where you choose the free access and get an IP, but I would guess that the service providers for that functionality are often too expensive for a small business to purchase.
    18. Re:Felony == criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where I grew up, the police would've just come over and said, "Hey, you shouldn't be doing that. Don't let me see you down here again." Instead, this jerk writes up a warrant.

      Subtle difference here is the officer noticed Milanowski doing this as a regular routine. Your brushes were just out of random, you probably weren't doing your thing every day when the police warned you.
    19. Re:Felony == criminal by Aristos+Mazer · · Score: 1

      Although you have a point about this case, that this guy got off light, there's no guarantee that the next guy in line will be treated so easily.

    20. Re:Felony == criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Phfft! Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!

    21. Re:Felony == criminal by Timbotronic · · Score: 1

      I just hope they made him a coffee down at the station!

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    22. Re:Felony == criminal by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      Well the cop could've given this guy a break.
      They did. From TFOA:

      As a first-time offender without a prior record, the Kent County prosecutor's office decided not to charge Peterson with a felony. Instead, he'll be enrolled in the county's diversion program.

      He'll pay a $400 fine and do 40 hours of community service, but it will not go on his record.

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    23. Re:Felony == criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was the prosecuter, not the police. It's called discretion.

    24. Re:Felony == criminal by Criton · · Score: 1

      Yah the very concept of the mandatory minimum was bad idea from the start it needs to go just take a look at the insanity of the war on drugs.

  30. According to the law ... by ScottyMcScott · · Score: 0

    it covers: "Fraudulent access to computers, computer systems, and computer networks" In this case I don't see how he accessed the network using fraudulent mean, hence no law was broken. Anyway, anybody who uses a FREE wifi hotspot to check their email is asking for trouble. I would use a combination of privoxy with openSSH etc to check email and browse the web when on the road.

  31. On the contrary... by C10H14N2 · · Score: 1

    He could have proven he was not breaking this asinine law if they forced a "Welcome Page" that popped up the magic words "Greeting, user, you're 'AUTHORIZED!'" (You know, much the same thing the protocol is asserting in the background in the first place)

    It would seem people now need to post intrusive redirects on every connection blatantly announcing to all concerned parties that, yes, indeed, this free, open, unsecured, SSID broadcasting access point is in fact all of those things, so please concerned officers of the law, move the !@#%# along and find some skateboarders to harass.

  32. Oh, please by Richard+McBeef · · Score: 0, Troll

    What is the problem here? He's a thief. If you parked outside of a drive-in and set your radio to the the dialogue, are you just some ignorant fool or are you guilty of theft of service? The answer is: You are guilty of theft of service.

    1. Re:Oh, please by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, you broadcast over the public air waves, then anyone can listen in. Don't like it? too bad.
      You can encrypt it, or in this case ask for a password.
      Broadcasting my radio into your house doesn't mean it's a crime for you to listen to it. The fact that you need a reciever changes nothing.

      Don't like it? don't broadcast.

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    2. Re:Oh, please by Richard+McBeef · · Score: 1

      Anyone can listen in, huh? I can listen in to your phone calls using legally obtained electronics. What's the difference?

    3. Re:Oh, please by (A)*(B)!0_- · · Score: 3, Informative

      The FCC has dictated that picking up a transmission like that is 100% legal.

    4. Re:Oh, please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet in the scenario you describe, you aren't actually denying either the theater or the customer of the restaurant the use of their service in the least. (assuming that all you're doing is listening in, if you start broadcasting, that would seem to be somewhat different.)

    5. Re:Oh, please by Richard+McBeef · · Score: 1

      Congrats. You just used the same argument that slashbots use for stealing music. When your dumb ass gets sued or arrested, be sure to use that argument. I'm sure it will mitigate your punishment. Hell, I bet it'll get you off the hook.

  33. lies lies lies by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

    So, moral of the story: always lie to cops. Even if you don't think you're breaking the law. It's better to be safe than sorry...

    1. Re:lies lies lies by Knoman · · Score: 1

      NOT good advice, lying to a peace officer IS a crime in most areas, instead answer their questions with questions, i.e. Why have you stopped me? What do you want? Am I under arrest/being detained? Volunteer NOTHING!!!as usual IANAL...

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  34. This is wrong by jabagi · · Score: 1

    A person shouldn't be charged for using free wi-fi. If the coffee shop owner wants to offer free wi-fi to its customers he/she can easily do so with a very simple setup. If the owner hasn't done this and basically pours wi-fi all over the area for anyone to use, it is logical to sue someone for "taking" some. PS: I hate the word "wi-fi"...

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  35. 3 words by sootman · · Score: 1

    A fucking FELONY?

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  36. I have to think that... by rthille · · Score: 1

    coming into the cafe, buying a cup of coffee, plugging in my laptop and camping on a table for an hour would cost the cafe a lot more than me parking outside and using the same 'amount' of wifi.

    If the cafe didn't want people outside using the wifi, there are many ways to prevent it, from a sign stating the wifi is for customers only, a password of the day at the register, to sign-ins tied to their check (bill) number or something.

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    1. Re:I have to think that... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      If the cafe didn't want people outside using the wifi, there are many ways to prevent it, from a sign stating the wifi is for customers only, a password of the day at the register, to sign-ins tied to their check (bill) number or something.


      There was a sign stating the wifi is for customers only.
    2. Re:I have to think that... by Fifty+Points · · Score: 1

      coming into the cafe, buying a cup of coffee, plugging in my laptop and camping on a table for an hour would cost the cafe a lot more than me parking outside and using the same 'amount' of wifi.

      You think an hour's worth of powering a laptop costs more than a cup coffee shop coffee?
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    3. Re:I have to think that... by rthille · · Score: 1

      No, not the power, the loss of use of the table mostly. That is, if I come in and buy nothing but a cup of coffee, but use the table at lunch time, and patrons who'd spend much more money have to wait, or worse go elsewhere, then the cafe is worse off than if I just stayed in the car.

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  37. Cafe owner is an idiot by sunderland56 · · Score: 2, Informative
    So, let me get this straight - all the cafe owner had to do was to say "that's okay, I don't mind people using my network from outside". That would make it an authorized use - and so the crime would disappear, and this poor innocent guy would have a clean record.


    But he didn't. It would have cost him nothing, but he let a fellow citizen get convicted for nothing.


    Boy, that really doesn't sound like good advertising to me....

    1. Re:Cafe owner is an idiot by Akaihiryuu · · Score: 1

      TFA isn't really clear on the coffee shop owner's reaction:

      Indeed, neither did Donna May, the owner of the Union Street Cafe. "I didn't know it was really illegal, either," she told the TV station. "If he would have come in (to the coffee shop), it would have been fine."

      However, the fact that the coffee shop owner is pointing out that she didn't know it was illegal tells me that the coffee shop had nothing to do with the actions of the police. TFA doesn't say of the involvement of the coffee shop beyond that point though...more information is needed.

    2. Re:Cafe owner is an idiot by Aladrin · · Score: 1

      And that's just the point. He was not following the rules of using the Wifi for free. It's free for the coffee shop's customers. They apparently define customer as 'one who comes in the shop', as is appropriate. It's just 'free'.

      Donna May is obviously not one who studies the law, and "didn't know it was really illegal." That doesn't mean it's not, and it doesn't mean she gave permission. She clearly would have given permission had the man actually stepped inside the shop.

      Is the fine overboard? Probably. Is it the law? Yup.

      A little off topic: I've always found it stupid that the only way to get a law removed from the books is to break and fight it in court. There's no other way. Why is it the duty of individual citizens to police the government? (They should have the right, not the obligation.)

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    3. Re:Cafe owner is an idiot by Alchemar · · Score: 1

      Why is a sign saying "Free WiFi" not considered giving permission to use the Wi-Fi connection?

    4. Re:Cafe owner is an idiot by pappy97 · · Score: 1

      "A little off topic: I've always found it stupid that the only way to get a law removed from the books is to break and fight it in court. There's no other way. Why is it the duty of individual citizens to police the government? (They should have the right, not the obligation.)"

      Most states have procedures for initiatives and referendum from the people. So the people can get a law off the books. You see this a lot in California because they have lax requirements to get something on a ballot, but I bet Michigan has something too.

      The only this is, an initiative to repeal this law would get backlash from small business owners in Michigan.

    5. Re:Cafe owner is an idiot by Fifty+Points · · Score: 1

      Why is it the duty of individual citizens to police the government? (They should have the right, not the obligation.)

      Who else is supposed to do it? You're either a private citizen, a government agent (they've already shown us how great they are at policing themselves), or a corporation, which would only serve it's own interests.
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    6. Re:Cafe owner is an idiot by prockcore · · Score: 1

      Because that same sign says "For customers only". Why is this so hard for people to understand? In many states, it is illegal to connect to a wifi network you have not been given explicit permission to use. It doesn't matter if it is open or not.

    7. Re:Cafe owner is an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that same sign says "For customers only".

      Where does it say that? Maybe you should point that out to the owner of the store, who didn't know that it was only legal for customers.

  38. Contact Info by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sparta Police Department
    Chief Andrew Milanowski
    260 W. Division
    Sparta, MI 49345
    General Phone: 616-887-8716
    Fax: 616-887-7681
    Email: policechief@spartami.org

    T Lynn Hopkins
    Firm: Kent County Prosecuting Attorney
    Address: 333 Monroe Ave NW
    Grand Rapids, MI 49503-2211
    Phone: (616) 774-3577
    Fax: (616) 336-3095

    1. Re:Contact Info by DanQuixote · · Score: 1


      Thanks but what about the most important contact info...

      That @%$#! judge is the one who is supposed to be protecting the citizenry from abusive cops and unbalanced laws.

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    2. Re:Contact Info by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      He's probably the cop's Uncle Dad or Cousin Brother.

    3. Re:Contact Info by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 1

      Attorney Discipline Board - State of Michigan
      www.adbmich.org
      http://www.agcmi.com/pages/RequestInvestigation.ht ml
      Kent County Assistant Prosecutor Lynn Hopkins
      Village President
      Leonard R. "Skip" Meyer II
      spartapresident@charter.net
      156 E. Division
      Sparta, MI 49345
      I'd submitted this story to slashdot earlier today,no luck.

    4. Re:Contact Info by westlake · · Score: 1

      Sparta's police chief is answerable to Sparta. The geek from out of state he can - and will - ignore.

  39. Wonder if it cuts both ways? by Budenny · · Score: 1

    Suppose the argument is accepted that by having an unsecured network, you are tacitly granting permission to use. If this connection is then used by miscreants for felonious purposes, are you then liable for the violations?

    Like, someone drives by, uses your connexion which you have left open, and downloads illegal material - perhaps its illegal porn, perhaps its in violation of copyright. Are you liable in any way? Like, if you left a loaded gun on the table in the hall and the door open?

    Alternatively, if the answer is no, you have not tacitly granted permission to use, does this fact give you immunity against any charges when the connexion is used for illegal purposes by someone else without your knowledge or consent?

  40. Don't any of you get it yet? by lena_10326 · · Score: 1

    All of you are criminals. Merely questioning authority is grounds for immediate imprisonment. When confronted by an authority representative, you are expected to kneel, bow your head, avert your eyes, and beg for mercy.

    As long as there is a law for everything, you will just have to accept your fate. You let it happen when you empowered government to solve all your social problems.


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    1. Re:Don't any of you get it yet? by name_already_taken · · Score: 1

      You let it happen when you empowered government to solve all your social problems.

      Exsqueeze me, but when the heck did I do that.

      Answer: I didn't.

      By process of elimination, that means you did it.

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  41. ...eh? by carpecerevisi · · Score: 1

    I'm probably going to be echoing many other people here, with a resounding "wtf?"

    Surely, what a wireless access point *does*, and was doing, was sitting there, broadcasting packets that basically say "I'm an open wireless connection!". Before someone attempts the (poor) "open door" analogy, we're talking more "This cashier is now available".

    Sure, if it was hiding its SSID or WEP encrypted (yes, laughably poor security methods, one even more so than the other, but that's not the point), then I'd say yes, that was wrong, because the owners, by doing that, had signalled that it wasn't a "free-for-all", regardless of how (in)effective their measures were of doing so.

    But, *open* *broadcasting* wireless? A little box sitting there, doing the wlan-equivalent of screaming "I AM HERE! USE ME!"? We need to start educating people more, since the technological world must be doing a poor job for things like this to happen...

    1. Re:...eh? by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To abuse the very concept of metaphor:
      This is similar to a shop-owner buying a fancy new LED sign that has the options of "Open", "Closed", and "Everything in the store is free to take, no questions asked". The shop-owner plugs in the sign, but doesn't bother checking to see what it's set at.

      I don't know if that makes an argument /for/ or /against/ what is being talked about, but it is definitely a poor metaphor.

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    2. Re:...eh? by carpecerevisi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hmm, you may actually have a point. From what little contract law I have studied, and the even smaller amount I remember, I believe that comes under "not having the authority to make the contract on someone's behalf". It goes something like the following:

      A owns a house. B breaks in while A is on holiday. B puts a sign on the front saying "Everything inside is free for the taking". C walks in and grabs the TV

      C cannot *keep* the TV, because B didn't have the right to make the contract. However, C is *not* a thief (unless the TV is not returned) because C was lead to believe that his actions were ok.

      Here, the Coffee shop owner is A, "the default wireless settings"/"the wireless manufacturer" is B, and C is the guy in his car checking his emails. So, ok, a "The coffee shop fucked up, and would like you to pay $10 of traffic charges" would seem reasonable.

      However, even then, there are arguments (that I believe in), that say "If you are led to believe that *a service* is free" (note, not a TV, but a service, where, if told it is free, you can justifiably believe that making use of it where you wouldn't otherwise), and find out otherwise, then you shouldn't be liable for charges. This basically stops excessive "surprise charges", e.g. if C'd justifiably believed (as he seemingly had) that the connection was *free*, and then downloaded (slowly, over a long period of time) what, if charged per byte, was a MASSIVE sum, that he wouldn't have had he known he'd have to pay per byte.

    3. Re:...eh? by carpecerevisi · · Score: 1

      ...though of course, as I always forget to mention, that's UK law, and probably different...

    4. Re:...eh? by Big_Al_B · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      The best analogy that I've been able to create for an open broadcasting WAP is if my neighbor put a splitter on his living room cable jack and ran the second wire over the fence and into my living room. And then left it behind with out a word, except for a big note reading, "I'm here! Use me!"

      Permission may not be explicitly granted to use an open WAP, but permission is implied by the way the 802.11 standards are designed to work.

      The 802.11 standards all use unlicenseable radio frequencies, so no one can claim they have exclusive rights to broadcast or receive on them. That applies to *any* content--including IP packets.

      If someone chooses to both broadcast and receive IP packets on those frequencies, it's incumbent upon them to authenticate and authorize users to whatever degree they require to implement their network's security policy.

    5. Re:...eh? by prockcore · · Score: 1

      And if your neighbor did that, you would *STILL* be arrested for stealing cable.

    6. Re:...eh? by Big_Al_B · · Score: 1

      You don't think that there is an implicit permission involved in the purposeful act of providing me cable access--in my own home--along with a written offer (the note) to use it?

      (Analogous to broadcasting a cleartext SSID into my home from his WAP...)

      Several times a relative has *unknowingly and accidentally* war-driven our neighbors while visiting. I normally have a WAP up and running for him, but twice now it's been down when he arrived. Regardless, his laptop just automatically picks up the strongest offered WAP signal and connects.

      Put another way, twice now the neighbor's WAP *aggressively* offered and provided network access to his laptop without his knowledge.

      Now, given that the alledged crime in TFA was "unauthorized access to computers", did he steal access to their WAPs...or did their WAPs steal access to his laptop?

      After all, his laptop was passively receiving radio signals and did *not* broadcast an SSID or otherwise initiate a negotiation for connectivity...but their WAP actively did.

    7. Re:...eh? by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      After all, his laptop was passively receiving radio signals and did *not* broadcast an SSID or otherwise initiate a negotiation for connectivity...but their WAP actively did.

      That's what I keep trying to bring up to all these morons. Access points access computers first. They sit there and broadcast.

      Making connecting, via wifi, without explicit authorization illegal would make all wireless access points illegal (Well, ones broadcasting), and not any laptops. The laptops are just responding to the broadcast.

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  42. Laws and Mores by drDugan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is yet another example of a serious, growing problem with the American mentality.

    We can not legislate all aspects of human behavior. It simply won't work.

    Healthy societies have both laws and mores to shape human behavior. Laws derive from a logical/thinking framework, and mores are primarily from an emotional/feeling framework. All people have the ability to use both thinking and feeling in making decisions about what is right or wrong. But in American society, and more generally in a capitalist mentality, laws and money interests have so completely dominated that people have forgotten about the mores.

    Mores are like laws, but enforced by society feedback, typically emotional feedback. People frown at Bob if he acts like an ass, and he understands that he should stop acting like that, because Bob doesn't like it when people frown at him. That is because Bob is healthy and likes to have healthy happy people around him. Note, nowhere in here are we able to legislate that Bob "acting like an ass" is illegal in a logical way.

    We can that the Bush administration as the PRIMARY promoter of this mentality: "If it is not illegal, than I can get away with it." As such shining examples leading the USA today, more and more people (like Enron) are saying, "Hell, why not me too?"

    This problem will not stop unless and until people start giving strong emotional feedback (disapproval, and eventually ostracizing people) for bad behavior.

    1. Re:Laws and Mores by stewbacca · · Score: 1
      You lost me at "Bush administration". Uh, we have had shitbag morons in society since, well, forever. Dudes have acted like jackassess in every bar of every city of every day of the week since I've been alive (1969) and probably far earlier than that (such as, uh, forever?)

      Other than the out of place Bush bashing, I enjoyed your post.

    2. Re:Laws and Mores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yup, it just slips out sometimes, even when out of places. it's just such a disappointment to know that a great country is being destroyed by that particular Dude.

  43. Wrong by geekoid · · Score: 1

    You analogy shows a complete lack of understanding what goes on here.

    If I stand on the street and yell at you "Can I come in" and you respond with "Yes", I can go into your house.

    That's what is happening here. You are broadcasting "I'm Open", I say "Great,can I come in" and you are saying "Yes."

    You could say, "yes, but you need to be on my list" or "No" or "Sure, what's the secret word?"

    But if you jsut say "yes", you HAVE GIVEN permission.

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    1. Re:Wrong by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      You analogy shows a complete lack of understanding what goes on here.

      If I stand on the street and yell at you "Can I come in" and you respond with "Yes", I can go into your house.


      Yeah, sure.

      And if he had asked the coffee shop owner, that wouldn't be an issue.

      The law does not, as a general rule, treat automated responses that do not purport to be from a person or create the impression that they are from a person as equivalent to a person (there are specific cases where it does, and one might try to argue that something like this created a reasonable belief of permission, though that would be evaluated on all of the relevatn circumstances, not the automated exchange alone.)

      Computers aren't people, and I'm not the one who doesn't understand what is going on here.
    2. Re:Wrong by MadUndergrad · · Score: 1

      Say I place a sign on my house that says "Are you (the reader) allowed to come in and take a nap on the couch inside this house? Pull the tab for answer." with a pull-tab that says "yes" I think that that would qualify as permission. This is essentially what's happening here. Automated system that I could easily change allowing entry to anyone who asks.

    3. Re:Wrong by prockcore · · Score: 1

      That's what is happening here. You are broadcasting "I'm Open", I say "Great,can I come in" and you are saying "Yes."


      So you think it should be legal for me to send you spam all day? After all, I say "Can I send you an email?" and your mail server says "sure!".
    4. Re:Wrong by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Say I place a sign on my house that says "Are you (the reader) allowed to come in and take a nap on the couch inside this house? Pull the tab for answer." with a pull-tab that says "yes" I think that that would qualify as permission. This is essentially what's happening here.


      No, its not. An automated system that accepts connections is not the equivalent of putting notices with the text you describe. Not in law, and not in really any other way.

      Its more like having a door, that isn't locked, with a knob and keyhole making it clear that it has a lock. The door advertises a possibility of entry, and the unlocked knob, when tested, doesn't reject entry, so the trespasser assumes the homeowner accepted him coming in and claims a right of entry.

    5. Re:Wrong by MadUndergrad · · Score: 1

      The computer has to make a request, though. The receiving computer has a chance to deny the incomer depending on his ID, and can be set who to allow and who to disallow.

      Another example is the doors at my university. The keycard system gives the university the ability to admit or deny someone based on identity, time of day, etc. If my keycard works in a door, I'm only able to assume that I'm allowed to enter the door, else they'd have denied me access. I don't need notarized written permission to enter every door I come across.

  44. well... by loafula · · Score: 1

    lets say someone living in a near by apartment can pick up the coffee shop's wifi signal at home. does this constitute home intrusion on the coffee shop's part?

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  45. It's not just the cop though, I don't think. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but. . .

    In the case of crimes committed against a private individual or corporation, I don't think "The People" (e.g. the State of Michigan) can bring charges. The police officer can arrest someone, if they think a crime is being committed, but in order to hold them and press a case, wouldn't the coffee shop's owner have had to sign the papers to press charges? Apparently, the coffee shop owner, even though he didn't know it was a crime, was happy to press charges against this guy.

    If this happened to me, and I were the guy arrested and charged, I'd be setting up a one-man protest line on the sidewalk outside the cafe asking people to boycott the place.

  46. terrible police by measured_flo · · Score: 0

    "Each day around lunch time, Sam Peterson would drive to the Union Street Cafe, park his car and--without actually entering the coffee shop--check his e-mail and surf the Net. His ritual raised the suspicions of Police Chief Andrew Milanowski, who approached him and asked what he was doing." Does Milanowski follow every citizen in the city? How does that justify tax dollars?

  47. Lack of Common Sense in Sparta? by whatnever · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the guy didn't bother to pay for a good lawyer. Also, couldn't he have offerred to buy a years worth of coffee from the shop and have them drop the charges or plead on his behalf? If I were him, I'd fight this all the way up to the Supreme Court. It'll probably cost a $1 million in lawyer fees, but it's the principle of the thing. :-)

    Michigan Cops have nothing to do. Why didn't he just give the guy a warning after he figured out it was a felony instead of arresting the guy? Can you imagine 3 strikes you're out (in California)? I'm sorry, bud, but we got a warrant on your laptop and you're under arrest for 20 counts of unauthorized access of wi-fi, that's 20 felonies, you're facing minimum prison time in a State Prison with rapists, murderers, and drug dealers.

    Coffee shop owner didn't care. "Oh, you mean it's illegal? I guess he should have come in for a coffee." e.g. she thought it was ok. See someone's previous comment about using a premises bathroom without paying.

  48. There's a simple way of offering "free" WiFi..... by 8127972 · · Score: 1

    Use a password and change it daily. That way people have to come into the shop to ask you for the password (assuming it's not a WEP password or something stupid like "password") which forces them to either buy something or GTFO.

    Sadly, I suspect the operators of these shops don't have the expertise to do something like that.

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  49. legislator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, I think the consensus is more or less that if you leave the wireless point unencrypted you is inviting people in. Legally the FCC says you can pick up any single that is broadcasts, so why not WiFi? I can understand the tampering law meant to protect companies from random people breaking into their business network, but an open WiFi in a coffee shop is normally a public access point. So seeing most people are at a consensus how many of us will actually contact our legislator and tell them we want the law changed?

  50. Doesn't the FCC have regulatory authority? by schwit1 · · Score: 1
    I was under the impression that congress gave exclusive authority to regulate wireless to the FCC.

    If so, what should he have done when charged?

  51. "Usage without permission" - What if you have one? by Zarhan · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know if this defense has been used anywhere?

    Basically, if I open my laptop, it's explicitly ASKING for permission, with the IEEE 802.11 standard association request.

    Basically, it goes

    AP sends out beacons "Here, I have this SSID, it uses open authentication!"

    Laptop => AP (Association request) "Can I come?"
    AP => Laptop (Association request) "Sure!"
    Laptop => AP (Open Authentication request) "...and you don't even care who I am?"
    AP => Laptop (Open Authentication response) "No, just come on in!"
    Laptop => DHCP server "Hi, the AP just let me in. Are you also going to give me IP address so I can talk to the Internet?"
    DHCP Server => Laptop "Sure! Here you go!"

    Now, if the AP had *any* other form of settings. No need to specify if it's using WEP, WPA, whatever, it still says "authorization needed". So

    AP sends out beacons "Here is this SSID, but it uses shared auth and WEP so you're not allowed unless you know the key"

    Then it goes that you know the key, you're authorized. If you use WepCrack, then you're trespassing (and whatnot).

    Anyway, has this *ever* been tested in court with this defense? I mean, basically, you ARE asking for permission when your laptop sends out that first association request, and you ARE advertising a public service if your Access Point sends out beacons advertising open SSID!

  52. King shit cops in small towns... by david@ecsd.com · · Score: 1

    I grew up in a Michigan town about the size of Sparta. You get these fricken cops who have wayyyy too much time on their hands and look for people to nail on technicalities.

    No one knew what was happening was a "crime" but the cop dug deeper until he found one.

    Jesus Christ, what ever happened to a warning? "Hey, I looked into it, what your doing is illegal, so go in an buy a damn coffee or knock it off." The peace is kept.

    What the fuck is wrong with cops? (Though, I suspect that it was also some king shit prosecuting attorney who wants another revenue stream other than speeding tickets.)

    1. Re:King shit cops in small towns... by kueball · · Score: 0

      This doesn't just small towns either. In Milwaukee [some may call this a small town :)] there was a situation with some kids in our neighborhood and the police that sounds similar. The kids were given citations for using chalk on a playground. The stuff was not anything of any significance, tic tac toe, their names, just typical children stuff.

      A few days later, the kids had their citations replaced with a felony and an visit to jail. Because the playground belonged to a catholic school, the police were able to charge the kids with a felony "hate crime."

      Was it really necessary to cite a couple 10 or 11 year old children with a felony for something so trivial?

      Wouldn't you feel safer knowing no one is getting free internet access without buying a coffee?

      Don't you like knowing that the US is becoming more a police state as each day passes??

  53. Let them know what BS this is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.spartami.org/subpages/departments/DeptT ext.htm

    Leonard R. "Skip" Meyer II
    Village President
    spartapresident@charter.net
    156 E. Division
    Sparta, MI 49345
    Phone: 616-887-8251
    Fax: 616-887-1114

    Sharon J. DeLange
    Village Manager
    manager@spartami.org
    156 E. Division
    Sparta, MI 49345
    Phone: 616-887-8251
    Fax: 616-887-1114

    Elizabeth Gorski, DDA/Chamber Director
    ddadirector@spartami.org
    156 E. Division
    Sparta, MI 49345
    Phone: 616-887-2454
    Fax: 616-887-1114

            Sparta Police Department
            Chief Andrew Milanowski
            260 W. Division
            Sparta, MI 49345
            Emergencies: 911
            General Phone: 616-887-8716
            Fax: 616-887-7681
            Email: policechief@spartami.org

    E-Mail these people and let them know what you think about Sparta's tough on crime attitude.

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  55. being without surveilance != up for grabs by DirtyFly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    when will people understand that open AP is not the same as a Public AP, a car with open doors and key in the ignition is not a car for anyone to use.
    Still I find the punishment too harsh ...

  56. nope by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 1
    Felony and misdemeanor are simply two different levels of a crime.

    Whether or not you're committing a "federal" vs "state" crime is independent of whether it is a misdemeanor or a felony. (Federal often involves more than one state, as an example. e.g. Cigarette smuggling)

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  57. Time to quote Ayn again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Did you really think that we wanted those laws to be observed? . . . We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.

    Ok, maybe a bit over-cynical, but still... Since this law evidently doesn't take criminal intent into account, its end result is clearly to make criminals out of ordinary citizens, giving the local police and DA too much power to harass and extort citzens. Ugh.

    1. Re:Time to quote Ayn again... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      Since this law evidently doesn't take criminal intent into account, its end result is clearly to make criminals out of ordinary citizens


      Except he is a criminal.. he's stealing. That cafe charges wifi users who don't make a purchase. Every day he sits in his car and uses wifi so he doesn't have to pay for it.
    2. Re:Time to quote Ayn again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So his use of the Wifi deprived other people of the ability to use it? Imposed costs on the cafe above and beyond what they were already paying to provide Wifi? I think not. This is more analogous to trespass, if anything. Trespass usually isn't considered criminal unless the trespasser has been notified (either by posted notice or actually being told to leave) by the property owner. Otherwise, it's a civil matter. At most it's a misdemeanor, not a felony. IMO that would be a far more reasonable interpretation for unauthorized use of insecure Wifi.

  58. Just print the WEP password on the receipt... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    ...below "have a nice day". Or put it on little cards next to the register, if the POS is too difficult to program for a new message. If you worry about the "wastefulness", make up 27 (or some number which doesn't sync with the calendar well) sets of cards and rotate them.

    If the cafe had "free WiFi" printed anywhere within view of the parking space, without some obvious limitations (for patrons only), I'd say it should have been considered authorized. (No, of course I didn't RTFA)

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  59. This might be overturned if appealed? by jd.schmidt · · Score: 1

    IANAL but, doesn't someone have to be informed in some way it is in apppropriate to use a network before it is illegal? Home networks are one thing, just because I unlock my front door, doesn't mean you can walk in, but bussiness are another matter. In the case of a business, in unlocking your front door you DO mean for the world to come in. Of course you *hope* people will buy stuff and reserve to right to ask someone not to come back, BUT you need to be clear because an assumed invitation exists. Or am I wrong?

  60. I'm wondering how it would have changed things by lena_10326 · · Score: 1

    ...if he had bought a cup of coffee and went to back outside and used his laptop from the car. The coffee gives him paying customer status, but he's also not using the wireless from inside the building. And, had he bought the coffee at breakfast but parked outside at lunch is he no longer a customer?

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  61. You can't enfore this law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What kind of moron would think this law is legit enough to put on the books. It's the town that is going to get sued not free wiki users. That just shows how entire clueless the town is in the first place about technology or law regarding it.

    Most laptops roam freely to any unsecured hotspot. That is HOW wifi works by default. All a person would have to do is walk by an unsecured wifi with their laptop running and they would auto commit a felony. That's completely laughable. Really I should go there right now and get my case started I could probably be on TV in a few days once I get a felony charge for walking by a coffee shop with a laptop. By the time it's over I could sue this town for thousands of dollars and their is NO way in hell they could win that case once you appealed beyond whoever the retarded local judge is. Those idiots probably take their laptops home and steal internet from their neighbors wifi and don't even realize it because most laptops auto connect to insecure hotspots. Obviously such a law cannot be even remotely constitutional since it is more like entrapment in the sense you need not make any action to commit the crime. Not being a PC expert is evidentially a felony in this town. Somebody is going to lose their job over that law. Plus their punishment is way beyond reasonable and easy crual and unusual. A felony for using a free internet. I don't think so. Hotels and coffee shops and everyone else is the world is responsible for securing their own internet and THAT is how it works. You can't push the burdoen of technological understanding onto common users especially when roaming to open wifi's is a core feature of wifi technology. If it really was a crime then it would be the manufacturers responsibility. Just like car makers have to put seat belts on cars it's not up to the users to create safety mechanisms that meet the laws requirements it is up to the people who make the product and profit off the product to ensure the product does not innately violate the law and in the case of wifi it would, if that was a just law (but it's not).

    If they want laws like that then the only real solution is to make wifis unable to roam to hotspots in the area. Anything else will result in law suits against either the town or the makers of the wiki technology. Either way will become responsible for either unjust legislation or failure to build their product to the legal guidlines. Of course, I don't think anyone really cares what this little town says and they will certainly be forced to repeal or at least never enforce that law. At least not to the degree that it could be a felony. Perhaps if the person cracked through their encryption to use the wifi, then you'd have a case, but if it's set unsecured that is obviously the businesses problem.

    HELLO it's called a proxy server, don't rely on unsecured wifi for secured. That way when people roam into your wifi they still can't get internet without some perhaps weekly passphrase or such. Point is there are reasonable technologies the coffee shop chose not to use in order to secure their wifi and that's just that much more testament to the fail logic behind this case. Seriously someone needs but go up there and have enough free time to challenge this law and there is money to be made. Like a college student gets a felony and kicked out of college for roaming to a unsecured wiki. The news would eat that shit up. You'd be a celebrity for a few days an the town would quickly learn from the state DA that their law must be immediately changed because they would get thousands of calls. IF they didn't back down or even if they do you sue them for defamation of character or whatever else you attorney can cook up for trying to accuse you of a felony level crime and potentially causing problem with your school funding or status. They'll be paying for your tuition before it's all done.

    That's cake money people. Unjust laws = easy law suits. What's next, looking over your shoulder is a felony invasion. Watch out !!

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  62. Let's just say for arguments sake... by jmackler · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What if I stood on the public street outside a house at night that didn't have shades on the windows, using the light from the house to read a book. Would that be a crime? If the owner of the utility, the light or the network, wanted to avoid sharing the network, they could take some very simple steps to avoid sharing. If they don't take those simple steps, then there's implied consent, in my mind. It may be rude to use a cafe's connection without shopping there, and it may be rude to use your neighbor's open wifi, but I just can't believe it's illegal.

    1. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! Being rude isn't and shouldn't be a felony. I never consider it to be a implied consent if an access point is totally open but I do consider it rude to use their resources. However, I will do it on occasion if my connection has gone down, I need to check my email and there's an open point somewhere around...

    2. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Lurker187 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, as analogies go, the light from your neighbor's window (or music from their stereo) is a perfect example of why this is NOT the same as accessing someone else's Wi-fi connection. If you cannot be legally prevented from reading a book or sitting in a spot where you are using your neighbor's light or listening to their music, then you have a right to use those resources, as you cannot "turn them off" or otherwise avoid them, and it does not impact your neighbor any more than if you could not hear their music or read by their light.

      However, piggybacking is different and philosophically wrong for two reasons. First, Wi-fi use DOES impact other users, as bandwidth is finite and allowed users may theoretically wind up having diminished use of the service due to piggybacking. But more importantly, you CANNOT just sit in a parking lot and use Wi-fi without deciding to ACTIVELY log on to the access point. While you may have a right to sit in the parking lot and use your computer, you are actively deciding to use someone else's resources when you log on, and doing so certainly is not unavoidable while using your laptop in that parking lot.

      I'm not saying I like the law, because if they're too dumb to require a login, they will have issues bigger than this fellow who was quite up-front about what he was doing. But the previous analogy is a good example of why it is not quite as harmless as it seems.

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    3. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, piggybacking is different and philosophically wrong.... I agree that stealing bandwidth is wrong, the punishment certainly does not fit the crime. This type of thing should be a civil infraction, not a felony. People who steal actual physical goods don't even have to face the kinds of penalties this guy potentially could have. When there's a complete disconnect between the severity of punishment and common sense, it causes contempt for the law.
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    4. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My only issue with it is - Had he gotten out of his car, sat down in the coffee shop and done the exact same thing (again without a purchase), would he still have been "guilty" of piggybacking?

    5. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Yes, let us say you did that. Now let us say you did the equivalent, and used the transmissions of a Wifi router to heat a cup of coffee (very slowly, over a period of thousands of years.) Should that be illegal?

      Obviously not. However, manipulating the router in order to gain access to the owner's network using transmissions of your own is an entirely different concept, and not remotely similar to using spare light to read a book.

      Could you quit it with the crass, irrelevant, analogies please?

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    6. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      There's a button just below the story marked "Reply". That allows you to make a general reply to the story.

      You clicked, "Reply to This" below my post, but you didn't reply to my post.

      The clue that you should have been using the "Reply" button was that you backed out my subject line.

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    7. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Lurker187 · · Score: 1

      Um, no, it's supposed to be for CUSTOMERS. I think that was the whole point of the case. If he sat down and didn't buy anything, they could have asked him to leave, both the premises and the network.

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    8. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Had he gotten out of his car, sat down in the coffee shop and done the exact same thing (again without a purchase), would he still have been "guilty" of piggybacking? Some pubs kick you out if you don't drink anything there (but this might also depend on how busy the place is... if very busy, they might not notice...). So he would only have been able to surf for a short amount of time. And if he stayed despite being told to leave, it would have been trespass, i.e. illegal.
    9. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by justinlindh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But more importantly, you CANNOT just sit in a parking lot and use Wi-fi without deciding to ACTIVELY log on to the access point.
      Don't some setups automatically find the nearest unsecured access point and connect to it, without intervention from the user? What if I were to open my laptop in an unfamiliar area, only to have it automatically connect to an access point before I was able to halt the connection? Do we place the blame on the hardware/software maker for configuring their device to do this by default, or the user for not disabling it?


      Most of the access points at the coffee shops around here don't mention anything of "Free Wi-Fi access with purchase!". While it could be argued that the "with purchase" is implied in those situations, I think it could be easily argued in a court that since there was no specific mention of it, patronage of the establishment was not required.

      IMHO, if an access point is unsecured and available, it should be fair game for public use without any implied fine print.

    10. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Wansu · · Score: 4, Insightful


        I agree that stealing bandwidth is wrong, the punishment certainly does not fit the crime. This type of thing should be a civil infraction, not a felony. People who steal actual physical goods don't even have to face the kinds of penalties this guy potentially could have. When there's a complete disconnect between the severity of punishment and common sense, it causes contempt for the law.

      Amen. All kinds of minor offenses have been trumped up into felony status by legislators gone wild. They seem to be engaged in zero-tolerance one-up-manship grandstanding as being tough on crime.

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    11. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by ajs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd agree with you all except for one thing: the wireless access can be closed off with the simple application of low-grade encryption. I can absolutely see a law going through that says that subverting WEP in order to gain access to someone else's network is unlawful, but to say that something many computers do automatically (connect to the strongest unsecured WiFi) is unlawful puts a burden on the potential "criminal" to determine who owns the connection and what their provisioning scheme is. The burden should be on the owner to either provide a polite "do not disturb" (WEP) or a redirection scheme like many use to restrict access until the user has visited the owner's Web site and signed up / accepted the terms of use. Anything else is highly unreasonable, as it requires me to know who the owners of all of my local WiFi hotspots are and what their terms of use might be.

    12. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Ed_Pinkley · · Score: 1

      allowed users

      How do you define allowed users? Was there a login? Was there a sign? Was it visible outside? It seems to me that "allowed users" requires *some* form of authentication. If I visit a website and there is no password, I assume I have permission (not a right, permission) to be there. The network was brodcasting it's availability via SSID. He or his O/S said ok. Without any other authentification that sounds like permission to me.

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    13. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Babbster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While making it a felony is probably overdoing it, making it a civil issue would go too far in the other direction. Doing so would put the onus of enforcement on the owners of the WiFi and would put them in the position of a) identifying the people "stealing" their bandwidth and b) going to even more trouble by first attempting to quantify their real damages (maybe there were none?) and then taking those people to court. Making the violation a misdemeanor would be sufficient to ensure that the WiFi piggybackers know that there's a penalty attached to such misuse, which I think is reasonable since people like the owner of this coffee shop are trying to offer a free service to their customers - something which the public usually applauds.

    14. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by anagama · · Score: 1

      Wow -- you have some rough coffee shops where you live. A half block from my office is the popular chess (and to a lesser extent, go) hangout. There are a not insignificant number of guys who hang out there every day for hours on end. Nobody cares -- the place wouldn't be the same without them. Note -- this shop also provides free wifi. The big issue I have with the arrest is with the coffee shop ownership -- I mean, we can expect the cops to be ridiculous, but we should be able to expect a higher standard of reasonableness from regular citizens. I can't imagine it is against the law to use wifi with permission. Case dismissed if the owners simply said they give everyone permission. One can only hope there will be a change of ownership.

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    15. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not stealing. It's communication, perhaps unwanted communication, perhaps illegal communication, but still just communication. And no, in the case of an unencrypted access point with no other access restrictions, it's not wrong. Some unenlightened (to put it nicely) law might declare it illegal, but there is no good reason to make it illegal and many technical, moral and legal reasons to explicitly allow such communication. Some people just have problems understanding what they're dealing with and need some time to familiarize themselves with the concept of automatic wireless peer to peer communication.

    16. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Ajehals · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OK,

      What about if someone creates a website to distribute pictures to their friends, but doesn't protect it in any way. Should it be an offence for someone to access that site as explicit permission has not been granted?

      What about if someone creates a site about a polarising political viewpoint and places a banner stating that anyone opposed to that viewpoint is not permitted to view the site. Should accessing that if you have a differing view be an offence?

      Lets take it one step further and assume that the individual who owns the first site pays for data transfer on a per Mb rate, if an undesirable person views the site could they be deemed as having stolen whatever the monetary value is of the data transfer they used?

      If the above is deemed as true then, even if no fee is calculated on the transfer of data, surely simply making that bandwidth unavailable to other legitimate users would be sufficient for a prosecution?

      If an individual accesses these sites without consent (other than that implied by the existence of the sites) should they be held liable?. I don't think so.

      Wi-fi and web sites are comparable simply because they are both technological in nature, both require one person or organisation to acquire a service, and then provide information using that service in an indiscriminate manner analogous to broadcast. Both require a concious effort to access (either typing an address / clicking a link or selecting a network to use), and yet often neither explicitly grants nor denies permission to do so. Lastly, and most importantly both can be configured so that casual access is not easily possible.

      In short, whilst it is not possible to secure light and prevent others from accessing it without making it totally unavailable, it is possible to secure an access point or a web site so that it is still available but not usable without further action.

      The onus to protect against unauthorised access should be on the providers of services that are broadcast indiscriminately. Where protection is in place and is then broken, the responsibility lies with the person having broken it. However deciding what is adequate protection is another matter and outside of the scope of this comment. :)

    17. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by letxa2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Doing so would put the onus of enforcement on the owners of the WiFi and would put them in the position of a) identifying the people "stealing" their bandwidth... b) going to even more trouble by first attempting to quantify their real damages

      Good. If the offense is so trivial that it's not even worth identifying the people stealing the bandwidth, it's pretty clear it's not important enough to worry about to the owner--so why should law enforcement?

      This is even more silly because the user wasn't circumventing security or illegally accessing a secured, for-pay access point. He was utilizing an intentionally open AP that was put there specifically for people to use for free. Granted, the idea is you come in for coffee, but if the coffee shop didn't even know it was illegal and apparently didn't notice or care, then why should law enforcement take any action?

    18. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually you do not necessarily have to actively log on to an unsecured wifi point. Many linksys routers come with a default name 'linksys', an ignorant user won't bother to secure this point and will setup their laptop to auto connect to it. Now what happens when a coffee shop does the same thing (not bothering to change the name from linksys) and the user logs on automatically and gets arrested for it? Not likely to happen to many people, but it's actually a fairly large possibility.

    19. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Omestes · · Score: 2, Informative

      But more importantly, you CANNOT just sit in a parking lot and use Wi-fi without deciding to ACTIVELY log on to the access point.

      Not necessarily true. With my old iBook it would just autodiscover, and login to open wifi networks, without my help, or any other conscious action by me. Does this then make mac owners less culpable than others? I doubt it.

      I don't understand how it could be a felony, if you leave your wifi open, people will use it. It takes all of 2 seconds to secure it. I'm also not going to play with silly analogies, since I really think the "if you left your door unlocked..." analogy is false. If there is any law involved in this, it should be civil. If this coffee shop only wants paying customers to use their access, then she should use some form of "ticket" solution. A coffee shop near my old college did this, when you purchased something they gave you an access number good for about an hour of internet use, this kept you buying things as long as you wanted to use access, and also barred people from "piggybacking".

      Residential access is tougher, though a simple password is still the best thing to do. In college, also, I knew several people whose only form of access was through some unknown "lender". I never really had a problem with this, but then again I lean towards socialism. If they didn't want to have their access used, then they would have secured it. This is another issue, what if I DO want people to use it, is it still illegal for them to do so? I keep my wifi open, as long as it doesn't harm me, but are the people using it still illegal? I don't give implicit consent, just like people don't give implicit denial.

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    20. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Anything else is highly unreasonable, as it requires me to know who the owners of all of my local WiFi hotspots are and what their terms of use might be. The dreaded analogies:

      Your house is unlocked. You're not home. Your buddy comes in to your house, sits down on the couch, and starts watching your TV. The cops drive by, see this guy, they know he's not you, so they come and arrest him on the crime of trespassing. Your buddy calls you from jail and says, "The cops arrested me for watching your TV!" You come down to the station and tell the cops, "Yeah, it's fine. He had my permission." The cops let him go. Problem solved.

      Your house is unlocked. You're not home. Some random guy comes in to your house, sits down on the couch, and starts watching your TV. The cops drive by, see this guy, they know he's not you, so they come and arrest him on the crime of trespassing. The cops call you up and say, "Hey, we found this guy in your house watching TV." You don't know him. At this point, it is up to you as to whether or not you want to press charges.

      To me, it's a similar concept. In this case, the guy was using a WiFi hotspot that the owner of the hotspot did not want him to use. So, yes, you should make sure that you have permission to use a WiFi router before you use it. Just like you don't walk into someone's house without their permission. If you want to allow anybody and everybody to use your WiFi router to access the Internet, just tell the cops when they ask that, yes, anyone can use it.
    21. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      that is a bad analogy. the issue there isn't watching the TV it is trespassing. in this case the guy was in his own car using a service that was being broadcast into his car. he had no reasonable expectation that his use of that service was not approved. to make your analogy work it would have to be a person watching your TV from the sidewalk and getting arrested for it.

    22. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Lally+Singh · · Score: 1

      It's often not about not knowing how to set up access control at the wireless router, but getting some utterly broken wireless drivers to work with them. For compatibility's sake, I've had to turn off AC more than once. Only thing that works so far is MAC-based controls, but that requires getting MAC addresses for all the machines you want on the network, and letting anyone with a promiscuous wifi card read whatever you're doing on the net. (WEP may not be really secure, but it still takes a bit of work to crack).

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    23. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Ed_Pinkley · · Score: 2, Informative

      Looks like either 1) The author was exagerating, 2) There are other circumstances not in the article or 3) Somehow they figure he stole more than $1,000 worth of wireless service.

      Here is a link to the law

      Here is an excerpt. Note it says this is a misdemeanor unless certain things are met. (IANAL)

      (1) A person who violates section 4 is guilty of a crime as follows:
      (a) If the violation involves an aggregate amount of less than $200.00, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 93 days or a fine of not more than $500.00 or 3 times the aggregate amount, whichever is greater, or both imprisonment and a fine.

      (b) If any of the following apply, the person is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 1 year or a fine of not more than $2,000.00 or 3 times the aggregate amount, whichever is greater, or both imprisonment and a fine:

      (i) The violation involves an aggregate amount of $200.00 or more but less than $1,000.00.

      (ii) The person violates this act and has a prior conviction.

      (c) If any of the following apply, the person is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years or a fine of not more than $10,000.00 or 3 times the aggregate amount, whichever is greater, or both imprisonment and a fine:

      (i) The violation involves an aggregate amount of $1,000.00 or more but less than $20,000.00.
      (ii) The person has 2 prior convictions.

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    24. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by StreetStealth · · Score: 1

      Peterson: "This is free!"


      Cafe owner: "This... is... SPARTA!" Cafe owner chest-kicks Peterson down a manhole.

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    25. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if I live in Michigan and I open my access point because I WANT people to use it. I believe that the interweb should be free for all and this is my way of showing that. Then do the people who use it still have to pay a fine because the law says so?

      This is a stupid law and should not be on the books. If people do not want others to use their stuff then lock it. And don't give me the whole "if your house is unlocked can I come in?" My house doesn't walk into your bedroom......

    26. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you CANNOT just sit in a parking lot and use Wi-fi without deciding to ACTIVELY log on to the access point. BS. Most laptops will automatically associate with any open access point in range. No active logging on required. You're sitting in your car and suddenly your laptop tells you a network connection is available and you check your email. If the access point isn't secured, it is fair game IMO. Even WEP is good enough. The way in which the law was applied to this situation is complete bullshit.
    27. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by surprise_audit · · Score: 4, Interesting

      making it a civil issue would go too far in the other direction. Doing so would put the onus of enforcement on the owners of the WiFi

      And when the WiFi owner doesn't realy care much, why was this even pursued at all?? Waste of the court's time, I think. From TFA:

      Indeed, neither did Donna May, the owner of the Union Street Cafe. "I didn't know it was really illegal, either," she told the TV station. "If he would have come in (to the coffee shop), it would have been fine."
    28. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by PunXX0r · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ugh!! Please!

      There is more than simple implied-consent on the part of the WAP administrator. The fact is that they are running a DHCP server on that WAP, and requiring no authentication for anyone to connect. I turn on my wireless card, and **REQUEST** an IP, and their WAP **CONSENTS** and gives me one. It is a completely consensual relationship between the WAP administrator and the client. If they wanted to limit who could access their WAP, there are many ways to make that happen - most of which would not be offensive to the paying customers of the cafe.

      I am willing to bet that they have a sign in their cafe window which reads "Free WiFi" not stipulating the purchase of a coffee for access.

      Now, I will admit that the guy who is the subject of this ridiculous criminal proceeding is guilty of bad taste... he is an ass, in fact, for knowingly using something for free that implicitly costs money. He is not, however, a criminal, because he did not commit criminal trespass for physical access to the network (they beamed it into his car), nor did he spoof an IP to use the network that was being publicly broadcast to his vehicle - the network managers OFFERED him an address.

      It is good that there is no law against being an ass, as we would have more people serving time than we currently do. Note, however, that being an ass usually pays dividends in personal suffering, so it all works out in the end. :)

    29. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Your buddy comes in to your house, sits down on the couch, and starts watching your TV. The cops drive by, see this guy, they know he's not you, so they come and arrest him on the crime of trespassing.

      Which is a mistake, since he is not trespassing, unless he was forewarned. There are but a few cases in which a police officer can lay a trespassing charge without the potential criminal having been told directly that he is not to be in that space.

      For example, where I live (Ontario), the law explains the following as prohibited:

      3. (1) Entry on premises may be prohibited by notice to that effect and entry is prohibited without any notice on premises,

      (a) that is a garden, field or other land that is under cultivation, including a lawn, orchard, vineyard and premises on which trees have been planted and have not attained an average height of more than two metres and woodlots on land used primarily for agricultural purposes; or

      (b) that is enclosed in a manner that indicates the occupier's intention to keep persons off the premises or to keep animals on the premises. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 3 (1).


      I am assuming that just like WiFi, we're talking the door not just unlocked, but actually having been removed from the hinges, and not just temporarily, but relatively permanently. 3 (a) clearly doesn't apply to a building. 3 (b) looks like it applies, but read it closely:

      that is enclosed in a manner that indicates the occupier's intention to keep persons off the premises

      As there is no door, we have no intention to keep people off the premises, therefore it is not prohibited. Even with a door, since it is always unlocked, it is debatable as to whether this constitutes an intention to keep people off the property or not. I expect if the defendant in a court case were to prove the "victim" had always left their home unlocked and regularly had random people in there (like a coffee shop would) that they would easily win the case. Even without such evidence, I expect if the victim suffered no damages, and the action was not particularly unusual (and heck, even if it was!), the judge would require only a peace bond (An agreement that for a set period of time you will not commit any crimes. If you keep to the agreement, the court's decision is removed from all records, if you don't, it becomes a permanent record that you broke the law, and you may be liable for further charges for having broken a peace bond).

      >To me, it's a similar concept.

      It is to me, too. Trespass law CLEARLY requires an intention to keep people off your property. In the physical world, this is called a "lock". In the computer world, this is called the "lock icon". You usually get a lock icon by applying WEP, indicating the intention of those designing wireless systems that WEP be considered a lock system. Hence, by trespass law, WEP security means "No Trespassing". No WEP security means no lock, which means no 3 (b) for you.

      But it gets better:

      3 (2) There is a presumption that access for lawful purposes to the door of a building on premises by a means apparently provided and used for the purpose of access is not prohibited. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 3 (2).

      So joining even a WEP locked device (but without the correct WEP key) would be legal by trespass law.

      And better:

      5. (1) A notice under this Act may be given,

      (a) orally or in writing;

      (b) by means of signs posted so that a sign is clearly visible in daylight under normal conditions from the approach to each ordinary point of access to the premises to which it applies; or

      (c) by means of the marking system set out in section 7. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 5 (1).


      Which, applied to this coffee shop, means they didn't follow the rules if trespass law applied to access points, since they didn't orally or in writing ask him to stop before

    30. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by icandodat · · Score: 1

      this is not entirely accurate. Most XP users do not
      "ACTIVELY log on to the access point". Most XP users don't know anything about what goes on behind the scenes when they connect to hot spot, the computer just tells them they are connected.

    31. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by westlake · · Score: 1
      I agree that stealing bandwidth is wrong, the punishment certainly does not fit the crime. This type of thing should be a civil infraction, not a felony. People who steal actual physical goods don't even have to face the kinds of penalties this guy potentially could have.

      I have come to think that the least appealing aspect of the Geek is his bedrock belief that the world owes him a lifetime "Get Out Of Jail Free" card.

      It doesn't matter whether the story begins with an arrest for computer hacking, child pornography, theft of services, copyright infringement...

      The argument will be made here that he doesn't deserve to do hard time.

    32. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      So, if I pull up to a gas station and use the "free water" or "free air" without getting gas then I'm being an ass?

      From a legal stand point I agree with your post, free is free. From a social context I stick to the concept of free is free something is either free or it isn't. A sign stating "free air with purchase of gas" or "free wi-fi with purchase of _____" is appropriate, but a free service is a free service, like a public restroom vs customers only, this case smacks in the face of the definition of free itself and the punishment is insane, imagine going to prison for using a crapper meant for "customers only".

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    33. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by wombert · · Score: 1

      Actually, as analogies go, the light from your neighbor's window (or music from their stereo) is a perfect example of why this is NOT the same as accessing someone else's Wi-fi connection.

      All right, so it's more like he's dipping a few cups of water from his neighbor's stream (using a cup with a reeeally long handle).

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    34. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      My personal philosophy:

      If a coffee shop is providing Wifi, I don't go there and just leech off their connection; I buy something, even if it's only a glass of milk.

      Then they have no reason to complain, as I am validating the reason for the store to exist in the 1st place. Their main purpose is NOT to provide free/cheap Internet access, it's TO SELL DRINKS.

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    35. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Romancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The completely missed issue:

      What responsibility does the wifi owner have in all this?
      At what point do I have to take care of his network and specifically avoid it?

      If a laptop has been connected to the wireless network "Linksys" with no WEP before and is set to automatically connect to it, and a coffee shop has no wep enabled and the same SSID then a laptop will automatically connect to it! I would have to activly stop my laptop from connecting to it. Now this is either entrapment or criminal negligence. Since I would face penalties from the act.

      It's a simple process to give out a key at the register on the reciepts each day, or set up a basic gateway with a password. You could even turn off the SSID broadcast function and have people type it in manually.

      These places try and make as easy as possible for people to access their network and then have a problem when their efforts result in people using the network.

      Take some responsibility. The law shouldn't protect those too ignorant of their own actions from facing the consequences of those actions. After all, that's why the man in the car had to pay a fine and do community service!

      Lawmakers need to get a clue, hold people accountable, and hold themselves to the same standard while they're at it! Quit lagging behind the curve, we're supposed to be a great nation and we constantly act like a bunch of neanderthals.

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    36. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by duggy_92127 · · Score: 1

      But more importantly, you CANNOT just sit in a parking lot and use Wi-fi without deciding to ACTIVELY log on to the access point.

      True enough. However, when I actively try to use that access point, my computer uses DHCP to ask for an IP address, which the access point can choose to provide or not. In this case, the access point did provide one, and then happily routed all the traffic the guy's laptop sent its way.

      So, the guy (through his laptop) asked to use the network, and the shop owner (through her access point) agreed. How is this theft?

      Doug

    37. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Babbster · · Score: 1

      Oh, for pity's sake, your own quote indicates that the owner did not think it was okay because he didn't "come in."

      There are many things which are illegal not because they always lead to damage to people or property, but because they're "quality of life" issues. For example, in many municipalities riding bicycles on the sidewalk is illegal. These laws are not enforced with the same fervor as those covering theft, assault and the like, and most of the time nobody minds when the law is broken (for example, by little kids who people expect to ride on the sidewalk). Still, if someone is riding their bike recklessly, annoying pedestrians and potentially compromising their safety, such a rider can be stopped by the police and issued a ticket/summons. I would hope for the same level of enforcement of an "anti-WiFi-piggybacking" law, where enforcement would depend on the level of the infraction and how much of a nuisance the person is causing.

      Hell, nobody is going to mind if somebody "hijacks" a WiFi connection to check e-mail or do some light web-surfing, but when a person is essentially using someone else's Internet connection as a replacement for their own, without obtaining permission, then it's over the line and I consider it reasonable to levy a fine for such. It's surprising how many people here can't see that.

    38. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by sgt_doom · · Score: 1
      Oh come on! Who else can they go after? Osama?

      Not this candy-assed government of Amerika!

      I, for one, welcome our new Anti-Christ Overlord!

    39. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But more importantly, you CANNOT just sit in a parking lot and use Wi-fi without deciding to ACTIVELY log on to the access point. While you may have a right to sit in the parking lot and use your computer, you are actively deciding to use someone else's resources when you log on, and doing so certainly is not unavoidable while using your laptop in that parking lot.

      That's funny, something must be really messed up with my system. Here it always tries to connect to the first open AP automatically. I even tried to change that, but seems like Windows ignores the settings and try to connect to whatever unencryted AP it finds anyway. It really bothers me, as I don't want everyone to be able to read my e-mail... my system is configured to only connect automatically to my own AP (I use WPA) or the University's AP (which uses WEP and some kind of certificate for authentication). Now you're telling me I'm commiting a crime if I don't remember to check if Windows decided to connect to some other random AP it finds?

    40. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by pete-classic · · Score: 1

      We have a winner.

      -Peter

    41. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by holt · · Score: 1

      Most of the access points at the coffee shops around here don't mention anything of "Free Wi-Fi access with purchase!". While it could be argued that the "with purchase" is implied in those situations, I think it could be easily argued in a court that since there was no specific mention of it, patronage of the establishment was not required.

      IMHO, if an access point is unsecured and available, it should be fair game for public use without any implied fine print.

      Furthermore, unless the "with purchase" stipulation is visible from wherever the Wi-Fi can be accessed, I don't think restrictions should apply. How is the person sitting in his car in the parking lot to know that there is a restriction on the (otherwise completely unprotected) Wi-Fi he's able to pull in from outside the establishment? What about the person who can pull in the signals using a directional attenna from a farther distance?

      Personally, I think that since Wi-Fi uses shared, unlicensed frequencies, that part of the network should be available to all regardless how it's restricted. Now, if you want to put a firewall of some sort to prevent unauthorized users from getting past the bridge from Wi-Fi to ethernet (or whatever), that's certainly your business because at that point you're no longer using shared resources.

    42. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, if I pull up to a gas station and use the "free water" or "free air" without getting gas then I'm being an ass?
      I remember when I could get free air at a gas station. I haven't seen that in over a decade.
    43. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      However, piggybacking is different and philosophically wrong for two reasons. First, Wi-fi use DOES impact other users, as bandwidth is finite and allowed users may theoretically wind up having diminished use of the service due to piggybacking. But more importantly, you CANNOT just sit in a parking lot and use Wi-fi without deciding to ACTIVELY log on to the access point. While you may have a right to sit in the parking lot and use your computer, you are actively deciding to use someone else's resources when you log on, and doing so certainly is not unavoidable while using your laptop in that parking lot.

      I'm thinking of the "This device must accept all harmful interference" FCC label on the bottom of all wireless routers. How exactly does that fit into your reasoning? If I run my microwave with the door open, or use my powerful 2.4 GHz phone it's perfectly legal, but when a wireless card uses the same free for public use 2.4 GHz spectrum, a bunch of nebulous laws suddenly spring into place? How can *anyone* trespass on the 2.4GHz wireless spectrum unless they're broadcasting too many watts? Wireless security is *entirely* up to the owner of the access point.

      Your assertion that you must actively log into an access point is similarly false. All operating systems can be set to automatically connect to the nearest available base station, a setting which is quite useful in office or school settings where there are multiple unsecured access points available. Turning a laptop on in the proximity of an unsecured access point automatically connects to it. In fact, if you want to log onto a Windows domain, the laptop MUST be configured to automatically connect to a wireless network. If everyone and their brother names their access point "linksys" or "default", it's also impossible to distinguish which access point is which. Finally, unsecured access points in coffee shops are specifically open access points, unless they say otherwise somewhere. It's the only reasonable interpretation of a broadcasting wireless device that will happily give out IP addresses via DHCP and route packets to the Internet with no questions asked.

    44. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by RMingin · · Score: 1

      Funny, I use an unsecured WAP, and apparently one of my neighbors recently got one as well. Just yesterday I realized my WAP was out, but I was browsing from my laptop. Seems my computer had switched APs at some point, and since they're both unsecured and functional, I never even got asked nor noticed.

      Which hand do you think they should cut off, since you're so sure I'm now a thief??

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    45. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by krotkruton · · Score: 1

      I hate to make another poor analogy, but you got me thinking with "Granted, the idea is you come in for coffee..." This case seems different from the other cases where someone is piggybacking off of another individual's wifi since the network is run by a store/business.

      This makes me think of free samples at stores, like at Sam's Club. The samples are supposed to entice you so that you buy the product, but you don't have to buy it. They are a means to get customers to spend money. I'm not breaking any laws if I walk into Sam's (assuming I'm a member, but this applies to Wal-Marts and other stores that provide samples), take a sample from every table, and then walk right out. It seems to me that this wifi is similar since the store is giving it away for free. I guess the difference is that had he come in each day and used his computer without buying anything, someone probably would have noticed and asked him to buy something or banned him from the store, just like they would do if you took free samples everyday without buying anything. But if they left the free samples outside without anyone to monitor who took them... now we're getting closer.

    46. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      No, more closely, his neighbor is spraying water, some of which is spilling beyond the property line of his land. He's catching some of the water with a cup.

    47. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by pitpe · · Score: 1

      But more importantly, you CANNOT just sit in a parking lot and use Wi-fi without deciding to ACTIVELY log on to the access point. While you may have a right to sit in the parking lot and use your computer, you are actively deciding to use someone else's resources when you log on, and doing so certainly is not unavoidable while using your laptop in that parking lot. I'm running Fedora 6 with NetworkManager, and my laptop automatically connects to any open wi-fi point. In my case I'm using a VPN over a university run wireless net which requires a login, but the original connection (and getting a dhcp address) happens without any intervention.
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    48. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by webview · · Score: 1

      If a laptop has been connected to the wireless network "Linksys" with no WEP before and is set to automatically connect to it, and a coffee shop has no wep enabled and the same SSID then a laptop will automatically connect to it! I would have to activly stop my laptop from connecting to it. Now this is either entrapment or criminal negligence. Since I would face penalties from the act.

      I agree with you, but doesn't law (or at least court proceedings) consider 'intent' as part of the equation? For example, if the guy was pulling up to his house (or some place where he owned a router with 'LINKSYS' as the default SSID, and it accidently connected to the Starbucks across the street), I can see this as a different scenario.

      I'm not arguing that people shouldn't be allowd to use open WIFI (the beach example with the radio playing is a great example). Is someone supposed to determine what network they are actually connected to?

    49. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      But if they left the free samples outside without anyone to monitor who took them... now we're getting closer.

      To get even closer with your analogy, they'd have had to leave the samples outside and taking them would have to be illegal. That's what happened to the guy in the article: the store gave something away that is apparently against the law to give away in that stupid little town (remind me never to move there.) The coffee shop didn't register a complaint about his using their service: the cop (who really should have better things to do with his time) did that all on his own and the village legal people (who also should have better things to do) pursued it into court (which I guarantee has better things to do.)

      This is absolutely idiotic, and I'm being too generous at that. An open access point is an open access point. Don't want to provide a free service? Well, then don't provide a free service. If there's no password required then there should be no prohibition against using it, certainly not in the context of a service that is explicitly provided for free. I suppose if the shop had had a sign out stating clearly "our Wi-Fi is for customers only" the conviction might have made some sense.

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    50. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by elakazal · · Score: 1

      My computer just finds a network and, if it's open, connects me. There's no active choice involved.

      Regardless, if they cared, they should require a login.

      If have something I consider valuable, say a big pile of gold jewelry. And I decide that where I'd like to keep it is scattered all over my block. On the sidewalk, in the street, I even toss a little into my neighbors houses. If I find my neighbor wearing my jewelry, do I really have a right to complain?

    51. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by TheShadowzero · · Score: 1

      I thought the rule was that if there is no encryption on the network, anybody is free to use it because the burden of encryption is on the owner/manager of the network? Or does that not apply to public places' networks like coffee shops and the like?

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    52. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When does making use of a complimentary (e.g. Free) resource constitute stealing? While it may not be ethical in the most conservative reading of the word, in my opinion this man did not steal anything. There is a fundemental difference between using a free service and pirating another person's personal use paid service. Something tells me in reading this story that the business itself was not the party even pressing the issue, but a suburban cop with obviously too much time on his hands. Maybe if we devoted this kind of proactive investigation into questionable hedge fund practices we could avoid the rapidly approaching recession instead of raining of some poor slob's lunch hour.

    53. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yea, but going to jail for using something that is marked as free, must be too much, right?

    54. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by elyk · · Score: 2

      What people seem to be ignorning is that there are a lot of places that offer free wifi without any conditions of who can and cannot use it. It would not be reasonable to require someone, before connecting to a signal, to triangulate on it (okay, slight exaggeration0, locate the source, and ensure that they have permission to use it. It's for this reason that we have easy-to-configure wireless encryption technologies. If they want to prevent people from using it without paying, they can do what some places by me do: encrypt the network, then have the key posted next to the cash register or give it out with the receipt. If you're really paranoid, you could change it daily. But my feeling is that if the network is open, it's fair game.

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    55. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Well, look at it the another way. They have a radio set up broadcasting a signal. If I set up a radio and broadcast some signals of my own, their radio responds. If they don't like this, they should set up their radio so it doesn't respond to my signals. The neighbor's light analogy can still fit here: If they have one of those motion sensor lights and it responds to me moving way out in the street, it's not my fault - even if I purposely trigger it to light my way. If they don't like it, they can change how their light works.

      Of course, cracking WEP or defeating MAC filtering is also just a matter of setting up my radio to broadcast the right signals, but I would consider any attempt to lock down the access point (no matter how weak) the equilivent of a "KEEP OUT" sign, and wouldn't have a problem with making that illegal in the same way tresspassing is illegal.

    56. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 1

      Please explain to me how it's Ilegal for me to put my FM radio on 99.5Mhz and just listen??
      2.4 Ghz is PUBLIC, so i can freely transmit and receive in that frequency using a valid, authorized device.
      It's exactly the same.

      So, in the physical level of the network, it's OK to do it.

      802.11 is an open standard that anyone can use. And the Internet is an ad-hoc network, where various routers and gateways connect to each other. Using 802.11, you BROADCAST, that is, advertise, that you are transmiting on a publicly available frequency.

      Then, once connected, there is another public service that says Hello!, i'm a DHCP server, please take this IP address, no, it doesn't matter who you are or what your MAC Address might be, just take this IP, and, oh please, use this gateway to send packets, he does NAT and will route them accordingly to the Internet!.

      How is using all of this Ilegal?. If he had cracked a WEP password, or circumvented some security measure, even if the SSID of the network was "ONLY_FOR_CUSTOMERS-GO_AWAY", then you would have a case, but in this situation there is no reason to punish him. No ilegal activities.

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    57. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      However, manipulating the router in order to gain access to the owner's network using transmissions of your own is an entirely different concept, and not remotely similar to using spare light to read a book.

      Manipulating?

      Please explain how saying 'Can I use this network?' using standard protocols is 'manipulating'.

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    58. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by putaro · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, one problem with WI-FI is that you can be on someone else's network without even knowing.

      I installed WI-FI back in 2000 in my house in Tokyo. I didn't bother setting up WEP. One day I was checking my server logs and I saw that someone was ssh'ing in, as me, from an unfamiliar IP address. After a bit of frantic security work I looked at the IP numbers a little more closely and then checked my laptop. The IP number was me! One of my neighbors had set up WI-FI themselves and from certain areas of the house their network was picked up in preference to my own.

      So, by your analogy, this is like me wandering into my neighbor's house by accident, sitting down and watching their TV and having NO CLUE I'm in the wrong house and then getting arrested for trespassing.

      These days I often see multiple WI-FI networks available anywhere I go. If I go to a coffee shop that has free WI-FI access I might wind up connected not to their network but to their next door neighbor's network, making me, technically, a felon.

      The judge should have thrown the court out of case, given genius boy a lecture on ethics (like, go buy some coffee the next time you want to use the free WI-FI) and the prosecutor a long lecture on wasting the court's time.

    59. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > Then, once connected, there is another public service that says Hello!, i'm a DHCP server, please take this IP address
      > How is using all of this Ilegal?. If he had cracked a WEP password, or circumvented some security measure, even if the
      > SSID of the network was "ONLY_FOR_CUSTOMERS-GO_AWAY", then you would have a case, but in this situation there
      > is no reason to punish him. No ilegal activities.

      Exactly! It should not be a crime to intentionally take something that is offered to you for free.

    60. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by arminw · · Score: 1

      .....IMHO, if an access point is unsecured and available, it should be fair game for public use .......

      Indeed true. I visited someone in a large apartment complex recently and there were 6 useable unsecured WiFi nodes. I picked the strongest one and had no trouble getting my mail and surfing a bit for the latest news. Why should that be illegal? On the other hand, it would have been polite of the freeloader to go into the coffee shop and order a cup of coffee, tea or whatever. Certainly, if I were a renter in such apartments I would get my own connection.

      It could be to the alibi advantage of any owner of an open access point if said owner is ever accused of illicit activity, based solely on the IP address assigned to that router by the ISP at the time. If no other evidence is found, the fact that there is an open access router would introduce a very large probability that the owner of such a freely accessible WiFi node may not be guilty.

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    61. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by pakar · · Score: 1

      Totally agree with you...

      When unsecured it says 'welcome in', and how can you know that the AP is not for public use when unsecured like this? I know many friends that have open networks that anyone can use when walking by.

      If they want it private just use WEP with a simple key, or if the users are brain-dead use a name like coffeeshop-Private.

    62. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by AGMW · · Score: 1
      Certainly, if I were a renter in such apartments I would get my own connection.

      A mate of mine moved to a new block of flats ("apartment" sounds a bit fancy!) and found 5 or 6 unsecured networks, which he used until his own connection was installed. He then contacted the other people in the block to see if any wanted to share his connection, and a couple signed up. He now has control of his connection (which is important if it is your work) and has a few other people chipping in to help cover some of the costs!

      He paid for any equipment that was required so he can do the same thing again if/when he moves!

      If you're in a block of flats it must make sense to pool resources and share a large connection.

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    63. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by tnmc · · Score: 1

      > If a laptop has been connected to the wireless network "Linksys" with no WEP before and is set to automatically connect to it,
      > and a coffee shop has no wep enabled and the same SSID then a laptop will automatically connect to it!

      My problem with this is type of law is when the owner of an unsecured wifi point actively provides me with an address on his network using this exact example, with 'out-of-the-box' settings on the router.

      Once the DHCP server ACK's my REQUEST, the owner expressly _grants me access_ by giving me an IP address on his network.

      To use the old example of houses, in this case you knock on the door, the owner invites you in and says, "have a seat in the blue la-z-boy called 192.168.99.2".

      Is it against the law to have your wireless radio turned on all the time in public places now, "just in case"?

    64. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by WedgeTalon · · Score: 1

      Even leechers in cafes can actually help business. Oft times if a place looks popular, it becomes popular. So all of the people sitting around not spending a cent give the shop an image of popularity which draws in other new customers.

    65. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I certainly thought so too. I live in the UK and blatently borrowed some bandwidth from a chap in Florida a year ago to call home on my PocketPC with Skype. By that I mean I was sitting on the kerb outside his house! I don't think there had been any court cases at the time, I certainly wouldn't do it again.

    66. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using an open wireless internet connection is using an open wireless internet connection. There is no reason to use or invent a made-up name for this other than to pretend using an open internet connection is something other than using an open internet connection. In this case, you are pretending the person using an open internet connection is going on to someone else's back uninvited. BULL SHIT . The wireless internet connection is open to the public broadcasting its availability as a free node to everyone in ear shot (this case, wireless shot). That is precisely how Wi-Fi functions. Unless the owner of the wireless base station decides to set it up so the public cannot use it, the man in the car, or on the sidewalk, or at home in the apartment two buildings down are on notice they can use it. Just because some dumb lawmakers do not understand technology, does not mean we should support this crap.

      Btw, I leave my wireless base station open to the public. I sure the fuck do not want some random person with a badge arresting or seeking to extract revenue from other people using my wireless base station as I intended by leaving it open.

    67. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by dangitman · · Score: 1

      then it's over the line and I consider it reasonable to levy a fine for such. It's surprising how many people here can't see that.

      Why is it surprising? Do you think that most people should be as stupid as you, and think that accessing a resource that allows itself to be accessed is worthy of a fine? Tell me, why is it "over the line" to use a public access point in public? If they did not want it to be used, then they could have denied access.

      I find it surprising that anybody lacks enough common sense to argue that this should be an offence or worthy of a fine.

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    68. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may be rude to use a cafe's connection without shopping there, and it may be rude to use your neighbor's open wifi, but I just can't believe it's illegal.
      Really? You don't believe that consuming someone else's resources that they pay for, without their permission, should be illegal? So it is ok to connect a hose to their outside faucet and water your lawn or to plug an extension cord into their outside outlet and run your hot tub?
    69. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by sulimma · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There also is another issue. It makes a big difference whether the sign outside the shop reads "Free WiFi", "Free WiFi with each purchase" or "Free Wifi inside". In the first case anyone passing buy can understand it the way that the Wifi is a free givaway like balloons with ads on them. The seconds case still leave it open how long after a purchase the access is authorized. He might have ordered there sometime. I don't know about the US, but in germany if the terms of a contract were formulated by one party alone, anything that can be interpreted in multiple ways must be interpreted in the way that is beneficial for the other party.

    70. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by rjstegbauer · · Score: 1


      OK...I'll bite.

      It's illegal because there is a law against it.

      I'm not saying I agree with it. But I don't understand the arguments that say, "It's possible and even easy to do, so it should be legal."

      Speeding is also illegal even though cars easily can exceed the speed limit and all I have to do is press down on the gas pedal a bit more. Why is that illegal?

      If you don't like the law, change it.

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    71. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      >how can you know that the AP is not for public use when unsecured like this?

      I don't find this argument very convincing.

      if you see something not nailed down or deliberately obsfuscated since when do you get to assume it's for public use? do you consistently steal things if you don't think it's being guarded adaquately under the assumption it must be free for all?

      "hey, this car has the keys in it! maybe the guy forgot, or there was some sort of emergency... or maybe it's that new public car scheme I've never heard of, yes! "

    72. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      well said.

    73. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by crawling_chaos · · Score: 1

      Certainly you can broadcast in the 2.4 GHz band. Please show me your authorization to use the wire inside the coffee shop that ultimately connects you to the Internet. As long as you don't use that wire, you have a case. As soon as your transmission leaves the air and crosses a wire somebody else has paid for, you are in theft-of-service territory. This still should be a civil, not criminal matter at this level, however. Leave the criminal docket for the real criminals.

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    74. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by cynyr · · Score: 1

      However, piggybacking is different and philosophically wrong for two reasons. First, Wi-fi use DOES impact other users, as bandwidth is finite and allowed users may theoretically wind up having diminished use of the service due to piggybacking.
      But what if i'm standing in the way of the light getting to the homeowner trying to reed in the street, while trying to read my book? Is that illegal? So the amount of light is also finite and may be blocking a legitimate user.

      But more importantly, you CANNOT just sit in a parking lot and use Wi-fi without deciding to ACTIVELY log on to the access point. While you may have a right to sit in the parking lot and use your computer, you are actively deciding to use someone else's resources when you log on, and doing so certainly is not unavoidable while using your laptop in that parking lot.
      You do realize that most peoples windows computers are set up to auto connect to any available wireless network, i know the 9000 laptops my university rents to students are set up that way.
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    75. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      no, the analogy works.

      about someone watching your TV from the street: this is not the same as wifi because the guy looking in is not reducing your viewing ability by doing it too. (plus the cafe is a business meaning this is more like a guy standing outside a cinema and watching a film through the door - hey it wasn't locked and the ticket guy had better things to do than constantly guard it so the film must be free right?). with wifi you have the ability to remotely use a limited resource. the special nature of this means there should be some special responsibilities. wifi is a relatively new technology and not well understood.

      imagine if teleporters were invented tomorrow, giving you the ability to steal physical objects remotely. it would take a while for people to adapt to the change but that doesn't mean you should be allowed to steal things until people have learned to set up damping fields to stop you.

      if he's not smart enough to understand WEP settings, or is just trying to make things as easy as possible for his customers, then you think you have a RIGHT to take advantage of him?

      the guy charged didn't have the decency to just buy the occasional cup of coffee and avoid the whole problem in the first place. he's the type of guy who goes around supermarkets just taking the "free bags", goes around cafes just taking the "free condiments". every single day, and not ever spending a single penny.

    76. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      >Well, one problem with WI-FI is that you can be on someone else's network without even knowing.

      yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. he specifically drove to the exact same spot, at the exact same time, every day.

      this wasn't him stumbing around blind, or just selecting the wrong network out of multiple choices.

      your argument a little like arguing we shouldn't bother courts with murderers because it's possible for people to die accidentally or naturally. it isn't the fact that someone's dead that's the problem, it's the deliberate act. having you wireless device auto-connect when walking past is not the same as specifically standing in the same spot every day with the deliberate intention of not having to buy your own internet connection.

    77. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Lurker187 · · Score: 1

      OK, OK, so you caught me, I've been using the same old broke-down laptop since 2002, and I didn't realize that most will connect to any open access point...but saying it's not your fault that your computer does this is wrong. If your computer comes preloaded with a REALLY loud, obnoxious, 2-minute startup sound, you'd change it, certainly before using it in the library, I'd hope, and that's not nearly as important a behavior, even though it's more overt. Well, just because the "any open access point" is convenient and transparent doesn't mean you shouldn't be aware of what your computer's doing. I can't believe someone who reads /. also logs on to their e-mail or anything else using someone else's AP. You do realize that if your accounts haven't been hacked yet, you've just been lucky, right? I would only use an unknown, unsecured access point for browsing, and only because I run a decent firewall.

      But yes, as others have said, re: TFA, I'm not sure this was a felony, or even a crime of any kind, but IMO it was wrong.

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    78. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > OK...I'll bite.

      > It's illegal because there is a law against it.

      The law is vague in not specifying "authorization," and it's not clear who is authorized and who is not.

      How can you tell whether an open network is truly open or not? The access point just offers you an IP without specifying any conditions.

      What if you saw a sign that said "speed limit 75," and then a cop ticketed you for speeding because "the 75 MPH speed limit is only for residents of the county. For everyone else it's 55." What if speeding was a felony? You'd be justifiably outraged.

    79. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by arminw · · Score: 1

      .....If you're in a block of flats it must make sense to pool resources and share a large connection.......

      Some of the more progressive Landlords provide a fast symmetrical Internet connection for the entire complex. Each apartment has an ethernet outlet and a cable connection. The cost is often lower and the service far better than for each tenant subscribing individually. Interested tenants pay the cost with their rent bill. Sometimes, a fast proxy server is provided for serving popular websites. Tenants need a password, but may provide their own WAP to connect to their ethernet jack. Nobody from the outside can get to the internet, even if the individual WAPs are totally open, unless they know the network password. The word "Flat" is generally not used here in the US.

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    80. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Romancer · · Score: 1

      That's why there are speed limit signs that say what speed you may go in that area.

      In this case I have yet to hear that the wifi owner posted any signs telling people that they could not use the network unless they were in the building. Also since you can access the network outside the building, the notice must be noticible at the point of access, hence the suggestion of a password gateway or at least some page that comes up giving the terms for access and allowing you to read them.

      This is like having a no tresspassing sign inside your house and then yelling at people that come onto your land. Since they didn't have the sign at the point of access they could not make the decision to break the law by ignoring the sign. If there is no sign, then there is a certain limit to which people may come on your property. Like making a delivery, soliciting, etc. If you have no sign and offer lemonade free on your property, that's where I bring up the entrapment idea since it entices people to use the free service and then punishes them for doing so.

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    81. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Romancer · · Score: 1

      And the fact that they give the service away for free is the explicit permission that they allow you to use the "wire" in this case. Since they did not post a user agreement prior to this man using the free service, there was no agreement that required him to purchase something within the store. For that matter since they advertise "Free WIFI" like most places around here do, they are inviting people to use the service. If they had put up a sign that said "Free WIFI with purchase" or implemented a gateway page that stated the terms of the free offer like all other businesses have to do with their promotions, then they would have a case.

      This is just a matter of people not understanding their responsibility when it comes to a technology.

      If you see a promotion for free stuff in a magazine, on a window of a store, or on tv, they have to give you some "small print" as to the conditions of the offer.
      These people didn't offer their service with conditions like all the other bsinesses out there and now they are complaining and using ignorant laws that address this technology differently than the already established business practices that have worked just fine.

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    82. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Romancer · · Score: 1

      The picture of the place just has a sign outside that says "Free WIFI"

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    83. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by korekrash · · Score: 1

      ".....IMHO, if an access point is unsecured and available, it should be fair game for public use ......."

      If you run to the store and leave the backdoor to your house unlocked, should I be able to come in and start drinking your beer and eating your pizza? You paid for these things and I didn't, so what gives me the right to them? I can't argue with the fact that they shouldn't be unsecured. Thats just stupidity. But then again, so is leaving your doors unlocked, but it's still not legal to come in......

    84. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > this wasn't him stumbing around blind, or just selecting the wrong network out of multiple choices.

      > your argument a little like arguing we shouldn't bother courts with murderers because it's possible for people
      > to die accidentally or naturally. it isn't the fact that someone's dead that's the problem, it's the deliberate act.

      No, it's nothing like that, here's why.

      There could be two people sitting in adjacent cars, one just using his laptop and the other browsing using the shop's wifi. The first doesn't know he's connected because his computer automatically joined the network; the second deliberately sought out an open access point.

      The problem the GP is pointing out is that there is no technical or legal way to distinguish who is deliberately mooching and who isn't.

      What if it was possible for your computer to automatically murder someone? And what's more, what if Microsoft DELIBERATELY set up your computer's defaults to kill people unless you tell it not to? Is it your fault that you didn't realize you should make sure the "kill indiscriminately" setting is OFF?

    85. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Criton · · Score: 1

      A felony for stealing bandwidth thats more then a little too harsh the worst punishment that should ever be handed out for it is a fine of a reasonable and sane amount such as $200 for the stolen bandwidth and maybe community service for a repeat offender. It's not armed robbery or rape since nobody really gets harmed or even traumatized by that I mean injured or even killed as in armed robbery. And don't go ranting about it costs them money as that is nothing compared to the physiological and physical harm getting robbed or rape does to people. This is a failure of the justice system and the law is wrong this time the punishment must fit the crime and overly punishing someone for a minor infraction is in it's self a serious crime against humanity in my book. A crime like this is the digital equivalent to jaywalking or peeing in the ally and must be treated as such. There are no digital equivalents to rape or assault but maybe robbery in the case of Identity theft.

    86. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....You paid for these things and I didn't, so what gives me the right to them?......

      I give you the right to some of my beer and pizza when I consent to invite you in and tell you to help yourself or instruct a friend of mine to invite you. I do this when my router, which is in effect my friend, replies to your computer's request for an IP address: "Sure, here is one. You may use this to share my Internet pizza and Internet beer" I should have the right to be hospitable in cyberspace in the same manner as I have that right in the physical realm. The government has no right to tell me who I may associate with or invite into my physical house. Neither does the government have a right to specify who I may invite or include in my cyberspace.

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    87. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Criton · · Score: 1

      Actually it should be like breaking the speed limit pay a fine move on thats it. Charging someone a felony for something that really doesn't harm anyone is just stupid and callus. By harm I mean real harm such as in armed robbery, tricking seniors out of their life savings or rape ie real crimes that hurt people vs simply inconvenience someone. I don't think anyone should serve time in prison for stealing wifi bandwidth. Overly punishing someone for such a trivial infraction goes against everything modern civilization is based on and is just inhuman. That being a felony is a throw back to the dark ages. The law is broken and needs replaced.

    88. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Criton · · Score: 1

      I agree with you 100% on this should be a civil case at worse he should be made to pay a good sized fine maybe $300 and told not to do it again. He shouldn't have to risk prison time comparable to a serious drug offense or rape charge. Overly punishing someone for a minor infraction is in it's self a crime and morally wrong and is supposed to only be the domain of dictatorships such as the Soviet Union under Stalin Or the Nazis Too many little piss ant crimes have been trumped up into felonies but micro brained legislators who forgot who they really work for. This zero tolerance crap has gone too far and has only served to destroy lives and over crowd prisons forcing them to release real criminals to make room. To anyone who eats up this get tough on crime stuff remember when someone goes to prison for something trivial often another prisoner must be released to make room for the new prisoner and often that ends up being person with a history of violent crime who really should remain in prison for public safety. If even if you are a heartless bastard who doesn't care about justice or public safety the very fact it costs $30,000 a year to house someone in prison should make you think twice about what good overly trumped up charges are.

    89. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by talledega500 · · Score: 1

      A typical coffee shop will have a crappy wireless G router with a few patrons maybe 10 with a laptop at one time if they are lucky.

      So lets assume a 10 Megabit connection wireless.

      Now a dude checking his email on the open wireless connection will have consumed, (unless he is downloading gigs of porn) 50-100 K of bandwidth (about the size of a normal web page) over a period of 1 minute. He sends a reply or 2, thats another 1K (unless he is UPLOADING gigs of porn)

      Now there is ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT to the provider who clearly doesnt care about sharing the connection due to the lack of security.

      Take it a step further, I (just so happen to) live across the street from the coffee shop and I have a fairly powerful wifi antenna and I am paying for a high speed connection.
      Given that laptops and desktop connections will automatically find the hottest spot to connect to if the connections are unsecured, then anyone who connects to me from the coffee shop to my closely located network, can be charged legally for a crime whether they knew they were doing it or not.

      This is total bullshit.

    90. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by jjinco33 · · Score: 1

      Why not if I post a sign saying "Free Pizza and Beer" and leave some outside on the sidewalk?

      Then again, why are you eating pizza off of the sidewalk? Why is back door unlocked? Goddamned kids left it open again....

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    91. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      >The problem the GP is pointing out is that there is no technical or legal way to distinguish who is deliberately mooching and who isn't.

      except that this particular case is not a grey area at all. it is obvious he was leeching. it's obvious he knew what he was doing, unless he wants to claim he was genuinely too stupid to think that businesses generally provide services for customers.

      if he has never seen a sign like "toilets are for customer use only" or similar in his life, then maybe this will be a good lesson for him. he got a small fine and some community service - it's not like they're putting him to death over it. a good outcome imo, and hopefully next time he'll just pay out a couple of dollars for some coffee.

    92. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by putaro · · Score: 1

      he got a small fine and some community service - it's not like they're putting him to death over it. a good outcome imo, and hopefully next time he'll just pay out a couple of dollars for some coffee.

      He was charged with a felony. The article doesn't state if the charge was reduced or not - it's quite possible the judge reduced the penalties but left the charge as a felony. I don't think leeching WI-FI is worth a felony conviction and I don't even think it's something the police should be involved with. WI-FI is using public airwaves and has simple ways to control access. It's a big difference between actively breaking into someone's network to cause damage and simply hooking up to someone's network. It's analagous to walking onto unsigned, unfenced private property, though not even that, since WI-FI is running over public spectrum.

    93. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by crawling_chaos · · Score: 1

      If the parking lot he was sitting in using the connection belongs to the coffee shop or the landlord, he still has a pretty serious tresspassing problem. Again, I think this is a civil matter, but he was freeloading and it's free riders like him that make places invest in expensive routing solutions that rotate passwords every hour or so and force you to go back to the register, or cause them to drop wifi entirely.

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    94. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by pakar · · Score: 1

      Well, if you take the car then nobody else can use it.

      Better comparison would be with a bench standing in some public area without any signs telling you not to use it..
      Or a trashcan in a public area, without any signs, is that also illegal to use? And this would also create a cost for the owner of the trashcan!

      And making these types of comparisons is not a good way to reason.. Because with these things you can easily have a notice on or at them. But with 'virtual' stuff like wifi-access it's much more of a hassle to tell users 'We are for public use' compared to restricting access to it.... Best way for this would be to just have a sign in the coffee-shop saying "The WIFI access has password 'coffee' and is for customer use only" or just have a welcome-page that users are required to view/accept before they get access if they want to dumb it down for the customers.

    95. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the parking lot he was sitting in using the connection belongs to the coffee shop or the landlord, he still has a pretty serious tresspassing problem.
      No, the shop is a public accomodation even if it's private property. The only way he'd be trespassing is if they asked him to leave and he refused.
    96. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Romancer · · Score: 1

      Again, "...pretty serious tresspassing problem." would need to have a sign stating the conditions to which he must comply before the parking lot becomes a conditional parking lot. This is the whole premise on parking lots that charge people by the hour or day to park in the big cities. If they didn't post the conditions of the parking lot, like the price, time limit, and consequences, there would be no case to bring if people parked there and didn't follow the owners wishes that they pay them. Since there are no posted signs stating the terms, no one can break those terms, because no one knows them.

      This is why people have "Parking for XY corp only, all others will be towed." signs. Because otherwise people can park there. This is a simple responsibility of businesses to state terms of any service they are offering.

      As to your theory that the result is requiring hourly password changes or the alternative of giving up WIFI. That's their choice if they can't handle some simple maintenance of a service they are using for advertising and to drum up more business. If it's not making them more money, they shouldn't keep doing it. And if they are making more money by using this marketing tactic, then they need to be able to maintain some basic control of their marketing method so it gives them a return and stops freeloaders. A manager could change the WEP key once in the morning and have it posted on a blackboard in the coffie shop. That would cost them all of 20 bucks for the chalkboard and about 60 secs in the morning.

      People need to take responsibility for what they do. Companies included.
      If they offer a service like other placed do all the time, they need to take care of that system, just like the other companies do already. Posted signs, small print, notices, all of these are standard practice on all other "free" offers by the other companies, and since they are using it to make more money, they should have to implement at least the basic safeguards that come built in to the router to stop unauthorized use. Turning them off is in invitation, posting "Free WIFI" is an invitation, and when someone takes them up on that invitation, they can take responsibility for the situation they helped create, or they can let people use their service by the terms they provided, which was "Free WIFI" with no conditions.

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    97. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      >Well, if you take the car then nobody else can use it.

      bandwidth IS limited (especially wireless). it also costs money, which is what the guy was intentionally trying to get around.

      what if it wasn't bandwidth, but electricity? if you sit in a coffee shop and plug your laptop in while drinking your coffee and they probably won't mind. but come to the shop every single day just to charge your devices and never buy anything, what do you think will happen? try telling them there's more electricity where that came from and see how impressed they are.

      how is electricity different from bandwidth IN THIS CASE when we know the guy wasn't "accidentally using it" as people like to keep going on about?

    98. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 1

      >I don't think leeching WI-FI is worth a felony conviction

      neither do I, but I don't think that happened (if it did then I agree it shouldn't).

      but again, the point isn't about connecting accidentally. the cops aren't actively going around checking who's connected to what and charging people for accidental connections. in this particular case they only noticed what was going on because he deliberately did it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and never once bought a coffee.

      >It's a big difference between actively breaking into someone's network to cause damage and simply hooking up to someone's network.

      yes, and it's a big differnce between your laptop auto-connecting to an unsecured network and the guy deliberately driving to the same spot day after day.

      >It's analagous to walking onto unsigned, unfenced private property, though not even that, since WI-FI is running over public spectrum.

      not at all. bandwidth costs money. this guy didn't want to pay so he used someone else's. if you want to compare it with land, then think about car parks - there are limited spaces (bandwidth) and it costs the owner money to provide it. so some charge directly with fees to enter the car park. other shops provide "free" car parks for customer use, but get the money back through sales of products, just like the internet bandwidth in the coffee shop. most people realise that car parks that don't have entrance fees isn't the same as "free space" that can be used by non-customers however they like. if non-customers park, they may be clamped or have some other penalty.

    99. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by pakar · · Score: 1

      Well, you don't seem to understand the point here..

      With electricity it would be the same, but then again you would have to go into the coffee-shop to use it and they could have a sign or the employees could tell him that... With WiFi you dont have that requirement so it's impossible to people to know if they are giving away some bandwith or if it is for private use. You don't seem to get the point.. If you have a WiFi connection it's broadcasting 'connect to me' over the air, and without requiring any key it is actually saying that it's there for everyone.

      I'm just saying that a open WiFi connection is comparable to a public restroom or a public street.. But with physical locations it's much easier to tell people if it's for public or private use. If you dont want anyone to connect to your private network then just put a password on it to say it's private, or put signs all over the area saying that it is for private use :P

    100. Re:Let's just say for arguments sake... by crawling_chaos · · Score: 1
      Nope. People get towed for walkaways all the time. Parking lots are private property, and you sit in them at the sufferance of the owner, period. Otherwise, you are arguing that I can park my car in your driveway and eat a sandwitch as long as you have not posted a "No public parking" sign.

      Again, the correct response would have been to tell the freeloader to move on and then only if he refused to do so, to have him arrested for trespass. I'm pretty sure if he was told that he'd have to buy something to stay he would have either done so or left. If he decided to be an ass about it at that point, then I'd say he deserved what he got from that point. That's not what transpired, of course, and I do have a problem with that. On the other hand, arguing that he has the right to do whatever the hell he wants while his vehicle is sitting on someone else's ground is equally bad.

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  63. Ritual by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1
    Everyone else seems to be harping on the fact that the guy was charged for using free wi-fi. If the guy would at least buy a coffee (Hey, he was spending gas to get there, wasn't he? And gas has been over $3/gal for months.), this wouldn't have been an issue.

    However, this part worries me:

    His ritual raised the suspicions of Police Chief Andrew Milanowski, who approached him and asked what he was doing. So his ritual of parking in a certain spot regularly warrants suspicion? I realize that we're a bastion of neocon support, but is West Michigan really high enough on the terror targets list that someone who parks in the same spot every day warrants suspicion?

    Glad I don't drive in that area much.
    1. Re:Ritual by prshaw · · Score: 1

      >> So his ritual of parking in a certain spot regularly warrants suspicion?

      That is often the case. Has nothing to do with terror targets, has to do with making it more difficult to watch a place for planning a break in, a robbery, or who knows what. There are places you can park and sit in your car, and there are places where it is not expected.

      And if the police don't check on people who are doing the unusual they are not doing their jobs.

    2. Re:Ritual by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      There are places you can park and sit in your car, and there are places where it is not expected. The article doesn't say whether it was a designated parking spot or not. It was, most likely, a parking spot intended for the coffee shop...

      And if the police don't check on people who are doing the unusual they are not doing their jobs. Except that it being a ritual makes it usual, for the person doing it. And I take exception to the fact that I can't have routines that other people would find unusual. I'm not them, why should I act like them to any extent beyond normal social interaction?
  64. Cheap ass freeloaders by grapeape · · Score: 1

    While I dont have a problem with wardriving since I feel that if you dont secure your network you deserve what you get. This guy should have definately be charged with being a cheap ass freeloader. The cafe was cool enough to purposely provide open free internet access for customers yet he is too freakin cheap to support them in this by at least buying a coke? What a freakin looser.

  65. Original Sentence by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

    Originally he sentenced to read and reply to every piece of spam he received for 90 days, but, after the ACLU intervened, it was determined that that would constitute cruel and unusual punishment.

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  66. Default Permission by PPH · · Score: 1
    Question: Is permission considered to be granted by default if there is no access control or posted Terms of Use? Or must permission be explicitly granted?


    There's a local coffee shop (Tully's) that offers free WiFi. But they have a 'login' page (nothing more than a checkbox to verify that a user has read their TOU. In this case, since these terms are explicitly published, they can prohibit use by other than their customers if they so desire. On the other hand, there are free WiFi APs with no such published TOUs. What must a user assume when encountering one of these?


    And what about the user who is sitting in their favorite coffee shop with the free WiFi who accidentally connects to the open AP in the office next door?

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  67. Fore what it's worth... by daveschroeder · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...the sign in their window says "FREE WI-FI (Customers only)", aside from issues of whether the access point should be open or not, and aside from arguments about whether a person using such an access point could under all circumstances be expected to know where it's coming from. (And yes, I realize that could have been added later, but this is in response to people who seemed to think there was no indication.)

    More info in a video story here:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3329712576 628229428

    There is an open access point here at a local coffee shop entitled "[Name of shop] - NOT FREE", and the reason why the owner chooses to leave it open is because of problems the occasional customer has with various security mechanisms/passwords that customers simply don't have when he leaves it open. So, he's made his choice, and I doubt whether he'd really care if someone else used it, but at the same time, it is intended for customer use only.

  68. This SHOULD be illegal... by dtjohnson · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    It's no different than if the shop had an electrical outlet on the wall outside and he was plugging in his extension cord to take power back to his place. The shop was providing the wi-fi as a service for customers along with the table, the chairs, the warm room, and the overhead lights. He was not a customer so he was not entitled to use the wi-fi. Just because he could, doesn't mean he had a right to it. He was not just 'receiving a radio transmission,' either. He was 'accessing the network' and the radio was just the means to that, just like the extension cord would be the means to get the power.

    There's nothing wrong with free wi-fi, as long as it was intended to be free, which wasn't true in this case, and as long as everyone is paying for it.

    1. Re:This SHOULD be illegal... by lena_10326 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you honestly believe this coffee shop wants this guy to be a criminal?

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    2. Re:This SHOULD be illegal... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      If you have a big sign that says "Free electricity" then you should expect anyone passing by to use it.

      If you sat "Free electricity to all paying customers" Then you have a point.

      However, in no case should it be a felony.

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    3. Re:This SHOULD be illegal... by Big_Al_B · · Score: 1

      So the coffee shop owner's WAP has a default config that *actively* broadcasts, not just its presence, but actual invitations to join an open network. And they're not responsible for that at all.

      But Joe Schmo from TFA has a wireless-enabled laptop that has a default config to *passively* listen for invitations to join open networks--eg does NOT proactively attempt to initiate a connection itself. But he's a criminal, in this case a felon, for simply powering it up within range of the coffeeshop WAP.

      And you think this is good! Nice.

      You do realize that his passive laptop could not even begin *sending* IP packets until the coffeeshop WAP actively gave it an IP address on its WLAN, right? The laptop's radio didn't even begin sending transmissions until the receiver heard the invitation.

      So you're arguing that the passive party is criminally responsible for his default config while the active party is completely without responsibility for their default config? I don't get it.

      Shouldn't the coffee shop owner be guilty of unauthorized access to this dude's laptop? Since it did start the connection process, after all? If the WAP is essentially just a computer, who "hacked" who here?

  69. When asked if he had anything to say... by Anti_Climax · · Score: 1

    ...the defendant replied, "This is madness!"

    The Judge then responded, "Madness? This! Is! SPARTA!" and then kicked the defendant down a well.

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  70. Free & Implicit by Silentknyght · · Score: 1
    Just some points to consider:


    I cannot honestly say that I believe implied consent provided in this case. Such services are provided for customers; that much should be implied and obvious. If everyone just drove up and used the wifi without making a purchase, the venue wouldn't exist. You're not stopping at a place whose sole method of business is to provide free wifi, after all.


    The severity of the punishment was a bit harsh, though, and should have been reserved for someone with an intent to harm or other malicious intent. This isn't a car; stealing free wireless isn't the same as stealing an unlocked car with keys in the ignition. Stealing a car denies the owner the use of the car; stealing open, free wireless does not (except for very extreme circumstances).

    1. Re:Free & Implicit by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> Such services are provided for customers; that much should be implied

      Not true.
      I've seen commercial places that do offer genuinely free Wifi just as a public service. OK they're hoping you will buy something while you're there, but its not a requirement.

  71. What if your computer connects to the wrong wifi? by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

    So if I'm in Michigan, and I'm sitting in coffee shop A, and my computer accidently connects to bookstore B and neither shop has a spash page that a human can indentify where it came from, I'm breaking the law, because the bookstore didn't authorize me?

    I've heard this happens all the time in apartment buildings. Someone buys a wifi access point and sets it up wrong. When they test it, they accidentally connect to their neighbor's wifi, it looks like everything is working and they surf away. Are you saying that, in Michigan, this is a felony?

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  72. Subject should of course read "For", not "Fore" by daveschroeder · · Score: 1

    Ugh.

  73. The Internet is for p0rn by hexed_2050 · · Score: 1

    BS he stopped to check his email everyday.

    He probably stops there each day to download p0rn and is just pulling the sheet over everyone's eyes.

    Nonetheless, the judgment is too harsh for just the facts (i.e. "using free Internet")

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  74. It's supposed to be the *justice* system by internic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Umm, sorry, ignorance is not an acceptable excuse for breaking the law. He either did or didn't.

    I think that you, like many other people, misunderstand this precept. The idea is that ignorance of the law cannot be considered a valid legal defense, basically because it would be absurd to have to prove that someone knew the law in question.

    The justice system is supposed to be about justice, however, and while a person's ignorance is not a legal defense, it is something that should be taken into consideration when deciding whether it is just to punish them. If someone does not know the law, it is reasonable for them to think their action is legal, and no significant harm is done, then justice is NOT served by prosecuting them. They intended no harm. They are not a threat to society. Society will be harmed more by using the resources to prosecute them than it will be aided by the prosecution. It is completely foolish to prosecute someone when simply telling them not to do it will be just as effective, and such needless prosecution is befitting of a police state not a free society.

    People who enforce the law are supposed to do so judiciously. They are not supposed to blindly apply the letter of the law but rather they are supposed to use their human judgement to decide what is the just application of the law. And people in law enforcement and the justice system do this all the time. Cops let people off with a written warning (or sometimes just a verbal warning). DAs elect not to prosecute a person (or to give them a generous plea deal) if prosecution under the stautory penalty would be unjust. This is a vital part of their job. Both the cop and the county attorneys failed in doing their job in this case.

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    1. Re:It's supposed to be the *justice* system by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      The idea is that ignorance of the law cannot be considered a valid legal defense, basically because it would be absurd to have to prove that someone knew the law in question.


      No, that's not it, because a "defense", by definition, is something where the defendant bears the burden. So, if ignorance were a defense, you wouldn't have to prove that the defendant knew the law, the defendant would have to prove that he did, to whatever standard was established for that defense.

      Ignorance of the law is not a defense not because of some concern about burdens of proof, but because we don't want people stealing or murdering or raping and getting away with it, even if it is just the first time they commit each offense, even if they actually think it is legal.

    2. Re:It's supposed to be the *justice* system by internic · · Score: 1

      Yes, I think you're correct about the use of the term "defense" in the strict legal sense. As another response to my previous post pointed out, of course the correct standard would be whether one should reasonably have known. Under that standard, one would not have to worry about rapists and murderers going free. So yes, I think the reason that this is not accepted as a defense is the practical issue that it would be an absurd point to have to argue over and would be too likely to allow guilty parties to go free, unless you have some evidence of an alternate rationale.

      As I understand it, the notion dates back to the Romans and was, unfortunately, much more reasonable in their time, when all the laws could be posted publicly on a set of tablets (at least at the time of the republic). Anyone who has attempted to read the U.S. code will quickly realize that remembering (let alone understanding) all the laws to which one is subject would be difficult at best and surely beyond the capacity of anyone without a pretty good memory. So in some ways the principle is somewhat unreasonably in our situation.

      Of course, if people charged with enforcing the law do so in a judicious (but fair) way where they only give warnings when no harm was meant or done, then this isn't as much of an issue. That's what should have happened in this case.

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  75. Not the Whole Story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Grand Rapids Press reported this story yesterday with an important detail that's conspicuously been omitted here. A quote from the article:

    "Peterson was receiving a service, Internet access, for which the cafe charges a fee to those who don't order anything."

    If it were truly free for anyone, I would have a huge problem with this whole situation. However, because the cafe usually charges a fee if nothing is ordered Peterson's use of the Wi-Fi essentially means he stole the service.

    1. Re:Not the Whole Story by SnapperHead · · Score: 1

      See now, the story makes sense. If what you are saying is true, then yes he did break the law. Theft of services. Just like walking up to someones house and plugging in your laptop to an outside jack or removing the tamper lock on your gas when they shut it off.

      The headline for this story is misleading, not to mention the linked article doesn't mention that critical fact.

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    2. Re:Not the Whole Story by Maitri · · Score: 1

      Now - if you can prove to me that Peterson knew this and was trying to get around it, then I might consider it "stealing." However, that information was not supplied in the article. For all we know, he was connecting to something called freewifi and didn't even know which business/building was providing it or why. Lots of areas have wifi provided free just for being in a specific area (usually provided by municipalities) how was he to know that this wasn't the case here?

      To throw out another analogy - a lot of grocery stores have free samples sitting out. They don't say free samples only if you are going to buy something. Businesses do things like give away balloons, hot dogs, cookies, raffling off cars - whatever - to try and get people to just come to their place of business. In many cases - these things are not provided to only paying customers. Unless when he connected to the wifi it said "This is for paying customers of store X only. Please come get some coffee." I have problems with claiming he stole this or even that he should have known that it was for paying customers of the store.

    3. Re:Not the Whole Story by pappy97 · · Score: 1

      "Now - if you can prove to me that Peterson knew this and was trying to get around it, then I might consider it "stealing." However, that information was not supplied in the article. For all we know, he was connecting to something called freewifi and didn't even know which business/building was providing it or why. Lots of areas have wifi provided free just for being in a specific area (usually provided by municipalities) how was he to know that this wasn't the case here?"

      I agree, to me wi-fi is free if I can connect to it without encryption and there is NO message in my browser asking me to pay up (And it won't let me navigate to another site), like you see at many airports and the like.

      It's not this guy's fault that the coffee shop owner didn't set it up that way. If they had set it up that way, this situation never would have happened.

  76. He should have fought it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems to me that broadcasting an insecure signal implies consent. I mean, how is this different from receiving a TV signal? Where's the consent for that?

  77. Do 'something' to make it appear private. by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

    If they did anything at all to make it appear private then I would agree that it is trespassing. Do not broadcast SSID, use any form of encryption even if it sucks, or go full blown and secure it with a password that is printed on your receipt. But as it is, they're leaving the front door open with an automated greeting and a map of the house. And I don't see entering that house as trespassing.

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  78. Hmmmm... by rspress · · Score: 1

    Remember, it is not a crime unless you get caught! ;-)

    I could have real fun by logging in to all my neighbors routers and lock them out by setting up my own passwords because they never took the time to use either WEP or WPA or even change the default password for the router.

    I am a nice guy so I just use the info from my sniffer to keep off the channels they are using so we all keep out of each others hair....so to speak.

  79. If the cafe offers WiFi, he had permission. by argent · · Score: 1

    If the cafe advertises Wifi, then how exactly did he not have permission? This doesn't sound like a private network, the article makes it sound like the cafe owner was providing wifi, and he had no idea he was doing anything wrong, so there's something else going on.

    Either (1) there was some kind of history between him and the owner and they're playing nice for the press, or (2) the law is dangerously lax about the definition of permission when it comes to public Wifi.

    1. Re:If the cafe offers WiFi, he had permission. by e_armadillo · · Score: 1

      I agree. Unless the cafe owner put up a landing page that forced you to accept the TOS(Which should have been very explicit, "This service is for Cafe patrons only, any other access is strictly prohibited.") before giving you full access to the network, permission is implicit. What about free WiFi isn't. I am sure that the letter of the law prohibits this case, but the intent was to protect home WiFi users that don't know how to secure their network, not for business owners offering free access to clients. Must have been a slow season for the DA.

  80. You're fine by SlayerofGods · · Score: 1

    A person shall not intentionally and without authorization or by exceeding valid authorization do any of the following:

    (a) Access or cause access to be made to a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network to acquire, alter, damage, delete, or destroy property or otherwise use the service of a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network.


    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(dcqkar5530bfgw554 341gang))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl -752-795&highlight=

    Unfortunately for the guy in the story he knew what he was doing; even if he didn't think what he was doing was wrong (Though it shouldn't be.... but that's another issue)

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    1. Re:You're fine by LMacG · · Score: 1

      A person shall not intentionally and without authorization or by exceeding valid authorization do any of the following:

      I'll see your intentionally and raise you a valid authorization. It was an open network. The only authorization he needed was when his NIC said "can I have an IP address please" and the router said "you bet! Glad to be of service!" (Sirius Cybernetics routers all come with Genuine People Personalities).

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    2. Re:You're fine by SlayerofGods · · Score: 1

      He should have had a better lawyer ;)

      But really I think the authorization isn't so much a technical one for passwords and what not as it is one that requires an agreement between parties. That is to say he acted with out the authorization of the owner of the network even if the wireless router let him do it.
      (Hacking into the network would probably be covered else where by Michigan law)

      Example.
      I leave my harmonica out in the open somewhere and someone picks it up and plays a bit on it. Now did the harmonica let him do so? Of course. But was he authorized to do so? No... not really.
      Now continuing that, is the appropriate reaction to charge the guy with a felony and up to 5 years in jail? Definitely not.
      Both this example and the actual story could have been totally handled with a simple 'Hey man, cut that out'

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    3. Re:You're fine by ByteofK · · Score: 1

      But was he "accessing their network"? I mean, by most people's definitions, accessing the network means gaining access to computers on some kind of internal network. If a PC at work obtains an internal IP but fails to connect to the network drives, I get a phone call "I can't connect to the network". He didn't exactly walk in an unlocked house and eat lunch out of the fridge. He sat in the hammock on the porch and enjoyed the view. It's a sign of the sad state of Michigan's economy when the county has to earn its budget deficit by resorting to prosecuting people when it's the fools who buy wireless routers who need telling off. A local car mechanic was provided a router by the phone company when he set up DSL service. He had no idea it was wireless! A friend told him he was accessing the internet with the laptop he brought in while waiting for his oil change, and he then found out he had a wireless router in his back room. If only the phone company hadn't deregulated, then it really would be entrapment, as it would have been provided by an agent of the state ;o)

    4. Re:You're fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't say that it is clear cut, but my reading would be yes, a wireless router providing an internet connect falls under the definition of a computer network. The reason being it wouldn't be much a stretch to call the wireless router an interconnected computer. (I mean aren't there routers that can run linux now a days?)

      (4) "Computer network" means the interconnection of hardwire or wireless communication lines with a computer through remote terminals, or a complex consisting of 2 or more interconnected computers.
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  81. Uhm, no... by spiritraveller · · Score: 1

    ...people who can sit outside a baseball stadium or concert from some vantage point and watch the game/performance for free are also commiting a felony.

    Light is not a computer system.

    Like air, it is a natural resource that flows from one property to another, and is not owned by either property owner.

    So long as you are lawfully present and you don't record the baseball game, you are not committing a crime.

    1. Re:Uhm, no... by someone300 · · Score: 1

      Electromagnetic waves are not computer systems either. I don't think the method of transmission really matters, it's what's happening over it legally I guess. You know how it's illegal to film a movie at the cinema.

    2. Re:Uhm, no... by spiritraveller · · Score: 1

      But when you use that EMF to access a computer system, therein lies the difference.

      Notice that I mentioned "as long as you aren't recording it."

      There is a big difference under the law. If you want to make some sort of scientific argument why it is the same thing, fine. But the law is not science. It is what legislatures decide, for better or worse.

    3. Re:Uhm, no... by someone300 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that's what I meant. It doesn't matter what method you're communicating with it, but the fact you are communicating with a computer, or recording a film or whatever.

  82. Presidential Memo To Slashdot: +1, Helpful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    can U.S. troops piggyback their blogging to the United Gulags Of America after I stop ALL communications out of Vietraq?

    Militarily-Industrialy-Complexly Yours,
    W

  83. Fraudulent? by spiritraveller · · Score: 1

    Coffee shop owner offers free wifi.

    Person uses free wifi.

    I'm having trouble seeing where there is any fraudulent intent (as required by the MI statute). I assume there was a sign somewhere that says "Free Wifi _for customers_." Still, it seems like a wee bit of a stretch to call it fraudulent.

  84. Sparta... by quonsar · · Score: 2, Informative

    ... is a 10 minute drive from here. It's a dipshit little village with a dipshit little village police dept. The locals refer to the cops as "Andy and Barney". When I read this last night in the paper I said "what a dipshit place."

  85. Who's his lawyer? by FranTaylor · · Score: 1

    This guy needs a better lawyer.

  86. What If... by woolio · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's no different than if the shop had an electrical outlet on the wall outside and he was plugging in his extension cord to take power back to his place. The shop was providing the wi-fi as a service for customers along with the table, the chairs, the warm room, and the overhead lights. He was not a customer so he was not entitled to use the wi-fi. Just because he could, doesn't mean he had a right to it.

    Let's say you are meeting a friend at a coffee shop. You walk into a coffee shop, open up your laptop, plug it into the wall and check your email. You see a late email from your friend that he isn't going to be able to make it. So you pack your things up and walk out the door. You did not buy anything because your friend did not show and thus you had no purpose in staying.

    Did you commit a felony? You have used the shop's electricity, indoor space, and internet access without permission. (The store owner does not permit non-customers to use the facilities). Did your actions deserve that you be automatically excluded from most (well paying) jobs? There is a dangerously fine line between this situtation and the one described in the article. (e.g. let's say you meet your friend weekly for years and he doesn't show half the time).

    What exactly defines a "customer"? It is one who buys goods,services -- but WHEN??? If I buy coffee daily in January, February, and March, does this make me a "customer" at any point in April?

    What if you live behind the shop? You walk in buy a coffee, and return home where you make use of the free WiFi provided by the shop. How long does that cup of coffee entitle you to use the WiFi from the shop? [A cup of coffee per day could be cheaper than paying for high-speed internet at home]

    Looks like Sparta,MI only has population of 4,159. Looks like the police chief coerced the shop owner into believing what happened was wrong. I think the chief had a personal dislike for the "offender" or wanted to drum up some funds for a raise^H^H^H^H^H^H^ the police department.

    1. Re:What If... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      The parent makes a good point, and it is for this reason I dislike laws such as this. Trying to apply anologies doesn't always work, so I'm not going to try to. On the other hand how do you decide when something is public and when something is private, especially when it is in public space. I know some cafés that offer free internet and leave a notice on the wall with then SSID and the password to be used. For me this is a simple way of indicating that presence within the café is needed to have access. Maybe an alternative approach would be to have routers have a sign on page built in, where the terms of service can be specified. In fact I believe even home routers should have something like this by default, so people are aware of which networks are free for use and which ones aren't - this would be irrespective of encryption being used.

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    2. Re:What If... by prockcore · · Score: 1

      If I buy coffee daily in January, February, and March, does this make me a "customer" at any point in April?


      Use your head. I bet you're the type of guy who has a trunk full of cups from different fast food restaurants so you can go get your "free refills".

      Any reasonable person would infer that you can only use the wifi if you buy something... if you leave and come back, you need to buy something else.
    3. Re:What If... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this isn't as mundane as you think. the fbi is enforcing the new calea laws that requires anyone providing internet access (yes hotspots apply) to be able to identify a particular user. if an unknown person is using the hotspot, the fbi cannot trace it. therefore, that has to end. my bet is that you will see more of this to come. vote for bush.

    4. Re:What If... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      What exactly defines a "customer"?

      Case in point: sometimes I top up the air in my bicycle tyres at a petrol station over the road from my work place. I never buy petrol there but sometimes I buy junk food, drinks, etc. Sometimes I am a customer, but never when I fill up my bike.

      I have never had any complaints. The air hose is written off as good will.

  87. Milowski is an idiot. by jointm1k · · Score: 1

    Milanowski did some research and found Michigan's "Fraudulent access to computers, computer systems, and computer networks" law, a felony punishable by five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

    The keyword here is "fraudulent". It means: characterized by, involving, or proceeding from fraud, as actions, enterprise, methods, or gains.

    Fraud in its turn means: deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.

    None of the above applies. The man was not deceiving anyone (he even told the police officer exactly what he was doing), the man was obviously not shrewd to the point of dishonesty, did not break any one's confidence in this matter, and he did not gain some unfair advantage over any one (the WIFI service was free!). So the law that was used to fine the man from Michigan does not apply.

    IANAL, but really. . . it is a dark omen indeed if a chief of police goes about fining people based on a hunch.

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  88. wtf? by abstrak_tokatl · · Score: 1

    let me get this straight... the coffee shop provides free wifi to everyone. And this guy gets charged because he was parked in his car?

  89. Uhm... by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know the laws concening connecting via your DS?

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  90. Re:What if your computer connects to the wrong wif by jc42 · · Score: 1

    Someone buys a wifi access point and sets it up wrong. When they test it, they accidentally connect to their neighbor's wifi, it looks like everything is working and they surf away. Are you saying that, in Michigan, this is a felony?

    Actually, we only know that it's a felony in Sparta, Michigan. It may or may not be legal in other parts of the state. But to be on the safe side, you might take care to turn off all comm equipment in your car when driving through the state on I-94 or I-75. This includes any of the fancy electronics that are starting to appear in newer cars. Some cars now know how to "call home" to the factory via wifi; others can fetch maps for your GPS gadget. If your car does this in the vicinity of Sparta or any other town with similar laws, you could be in bad trouble.

    It could be useful to collect a list of places with similar draconian laws that your computer might violate without you knowing about it. Publishing such a list online could be a public service (and might cause enough public angst to get such laws overridden eventually).

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  91. We apparently don't have enough people in jail by HangingChad · · Score: 1

    This law is obviously intended to take up the slack in our criminal justice system. Ever since violent crime and corporate theft dried up there just aren't enough prisoners to make license plates.

    Absolute insanity.

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  92. The law says... by 99bottles · · Score: 1
    752.794 Prohibited access to computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network.

    Sec. 4.

    A person shall not intentionally access or cause access to be made to a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network to devise or execute a scheme or artifice with the intent to defraud or to obtain money, property, or a service by a false or fraudulent pretense, representation, or promise.

    As someone sitting a couple blocks from this prosecutor's office, and also someone that provides advertised free wireless, I don't see how this could have gone forward. But I am considering adding a note to the welcome page that gets displayed when someone connects, asking the DA to please not prosecute my patrons.

    At what point does the customer relationship end? If this man had ever purchased a cup of coffee, then wasn't he in fact a customer? If he turned on his laptop before going to the counter, was he breaking the law until a financial transaction was complete? From the law above, I simply don't see any of the required intent.

  93. This is madness by tverbeek · · Score: 1

    This is madness.

    No, this... is... SPARTA!!*


    *a town near Grand Rapids, Michigan. RTFA.

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  94. ignorance of the law... by JimBobJoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think that you, like many other people, misunderstand this precept. The idea is that ignorance of the law cannot be considered a valid legal defense, basically because it would be absurd to have to prove that someone knew the law in question.

    It actually goes deeper than this.

    The legal concept of Ignorantia juris non excusat is that you should be not be able to escape liability for a law that you should have reasonably known.

    So for everyone, obvious crimes against people and property do not necessarily require strict knowledge. Also considered reasonable are the laws which cover hot-dog vending kiosks...if you should be a hot dog vending kiosk owner. If you are engaged in a particular business, there would be the reasonable assumption that you would know the laws that might cover that business.

    One area where ignorance of the law can be an excuse? A lot of tax law. It's so terribly complex that people can't be expected to know and understand all of it.

    1. Re:ignorance of the law... by Civil_Disobedient · · Score: 1

      The legal concept of Ignorantia juris non excusat is that you should be not be able to escape liability for a law that you should have reasonably known.

      And in this case, since neither the plaintiff, defendant, or police officer(!) knew he was breaking the law, it cannot be reasonable that the offense should have been recognized in the first place.

      There should be a counter-rule in place to protect the plaintiff. Something along the lines of Ignorantia technologis non culpus. In this case, the shop that set up the wireless connection didn't bother to RTFM and secure their wireless connection. That means that, by design and default, the router was set up to accept all packets, whether they came from within the establishment or not. The router even dished out an IP address for his network card via DHCP. Ignorance of technology is not a reasonable cause for offense.

  95. illegal != wrong by Khammurabi · · Score: 1

    You're making the classic misapprehension that laws must make sense, and must be just. Just because the cop thought it was a stupid law, the judge thought it was stupid law, and the person charged thought it was a stupid law, doesn't mean those individuals can ignore it. Their jobs are to enforce (cop, judge) and follow the laws (everyone).

    Ideally what should happen in cases like these are that the people who made the bill into law should have their names billboarded up on every website and publicly allowed place possible so that the fools can't do any more damage. Hold them accountable for their actions, and dumb laws like these will go away.

    1. Re:illegal != wrong by Moofie · · Score: 1

      The law SHOULD make sense, and SHOULD be just. Man does not exist to serve the Law, the Law exists to serve Man.

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    2. Re:illegal != wrong by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Their jobs are to enforce (cop, judge) and follow the laws (everyone).

      Nope. The judge is supposed to not enforce the law if the law is "bad." That's what happens when the Supreme Court issues a decision overturning a law. The law is still on the books. The cops could still arrest someone for it (but they wouldn't usually). But all judges in the country are essentially orderd to throw out the cases that fall under the decision. The cops should also not enforce stupid laws. They are not there to protect the law, they are there to protect the people. If that includes protecting people from bad laws, then that is what they should be doing. All government employees should be protecting the people and the people's rights. That's the sole reason for a government existing.

    3. Re:illegal != wrong by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      You're making the classic misapprehension that laws must make sense, and must be just. Just because the cop thought it was a stupid law, the judge thought it was stupid law, and the person charged thought it was a stupid law, doesn't mean those individuals can ignore it.


      Actually, if the prosecutor believes that the law would be unjust if applied in that case, or even if he thinks it would be just but still not worth the expenditure of public resources, he can simply not prosecute the offense. Prosecutors are not legally bound to prosecute every apparent violation of every law within their jurisdiction.

    4. Re:illegal != wrong by LihTox · · Score: 1

      The cops should also not enforce stupid laws.
      A cop might not know whether this law is stupid or not: sometimes common sense doesn't apply, particularly when you're not very knowledgeable about the subject. Requiring people to show ID to buy cough syrup seems completely ridiculous, if you don't know anything about drug manufacture. Wifi is new enough that cops are probably safer to stick to the law, because for all they know, this guy in the lot is costing the business money. Yeah, he could have used discretion and just given the guy a warning, but that's like giving a speeder a warning: you're not ignoring a bad law, you're showing leniency.

      Responsibility for this law falls squarely on the shoulders of the legislators. I'm not sure if low-level judges have the authority to declare laws unconstitutional (that seems to me to occur more in appellate courts, but what do I know), but even if this judge could, I'm not sure if this law is unconstitutional so much as just plain stupid, and stupid is up to the legislature to fix.

    5. Re:illegal != wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a few ways laws can be ignored or overturned without any input from the legislation. There is jury nullification, this is where the jury decides the law is unjust and decided to submit a non-guilty decision even if the defendant was guilty of the crime. There have been a few cases of Judge nullification as well, these have not been tested by higher courts so for the time being they are legal. Then of course the DA can choose not to prosecute, this rarely happens because the DA feels the law is unjust. Finally the police can decide not to enforce the law, this generally happens due to their ignorance of all the local laws (I mean who has time to learn the 1000+ laws for a given area and how they apply in different situations).

      Now this may not be an ideal situation in your book, I personally think it's good even though it does open the door for possible abuses, but the high courts have decreed at least some of the methods I outlined above are completely legal.

  96. Isn't there an implied invitation by vonkohorn · · Score: 1

    In the hedge fund industry it is well understood that even just hosting an http server is an "implied invitation" according to the law. That means that without broadcasting or sending any packets beyond our network, we are inviting the public to access our system. It seems like broadcasting an SSID and hosting a DHCP server is much more of an "implied invitation" than that. So, is it a felony to accept this invitation? I'm assuming that the coffee shop is broadcasting its SSID, of course.

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  97. Damage? by guspasho · · Score: 1

    Who was hurt? It sounds like everyone involved thinks this law is stupid and unnecessary. Though the opinions of the cafe owner aren't clear, it sounds like they didn't pursue charges. The law ought to be amended to allow people to legally access intentionally free and open waps, since it's clear this is meant to only protect unintentionally (ie the owner doesn't know how to lock down) open waps.

  98. Another JOKE from the country of freedom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's ridiculous... The man was stopped by the police?! for using a WiFi connection?! huahuahuahua Anyway, somethings only happens in "The Land of Freedom" - poor humanity, we are really f%$#*d! Maybe one day we will be able to laugh from such things... by now, we only hope that such ideas didn't spread world-wide!

    1. Re:Another JOKE from the country of freedom by paulolellis · · Score: 1

      welcome to the US matrix.. don't complain, you don't have the right

  99. Remember when "Felony" meant something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Now we just slap people with felony charges to show how seriously we take the new "crime of the week." You're gonna get beat up real quick in prison if all you've done is check email in a parking lot.

  100. Re:It's not just the cop though, I don't think. . by mfrank · · Score: 1

    If that were true, it'd be kinda hard to prosecute someone for murder.

  101. Burden of Proof by crashfrog · · Score: 1

    Wow. I think it's staggering that the burden of proving permission for access to technology is far, far greater than for access to a woman's vagina.

    Maybe that's a defense strategy, though. "C'mon, your Honor! Just sitting at the coffeehouse, broadcasting its SSID all over the place like that? Did you see how it was dressed? It was asking for it!"

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  102. Analogy... by nick_davison · · Score: 1

    It is illegal to enter my home, but if I stand at the door and say "Come on in." It would not be reasonable to think that if you came in you would be charged with breaking and entering. They offered free WiFi to customers. To sit in your car, quietly using their access, is more akin to a store owner standing at the door saying, "Customers welcome!" and then finding a vagrant quietly came in via another door and started raiding the pantry. That the vagrant claims, "Well, I slipped in through the other door so I never heard them mention 'to customers'" isn't really an excuse when they accuse them of trespass or theft. In the same way, that this guy never went in to the store and thus never read the signs that (granted, presumably) said, "Free WiFi for customers." isn't an excuse either.
  103. Are my neighbors trespassing? by tji · · Score: 1

    So, are my neighbors trespassing by sending their wide open 802.11g signal into my house? I have accidentally connected to my neighbor's network in the past. I was wondering why my connection was so damn slow and looked at my settings and found I was connected to their network. I had connected to someone else's ssid=linksys network earlier in the day, then when I opened my laptop at home, it connected to their ssid=linksys network rather than my preferred WPA secured home network.

    I can easily unintentionally "break the law". But, if that's a problem for them, they should take measures to protect their network. I've certainly taken steps to keep their dumb asses off of mine.

  104. Massachusetts, unauthorized access law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to, http://uit.tufts.edu/?pid=419 , if lack of a password authorization system (free wifi) would seem to allow a reasonable person to believe that they are in-fact authorized to use the system.

    Specifically, the new law:

            * Prohibits unauthorized access to any computer system, either directly or by network or telephone. The law provides that the use of password authorization systems to control access to a computer system puts people on notice that their access is unauthorized if they don't have a legitimate password.
            * Amends the criminal vandalism statue to make it clear that electronically stored or processed data is "property", the destruction or corruption of which is illegal.
            * Prohibits the thefts of commercial computer service.

  105. Re:What if your computer connects to the wrong wif by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 2

    Aren't there "cell" phones that will use a public wifi if they can find it? Would these devices even display a spash page if it were available?

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  106. Read the Fine Print by Khammurabi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He was not a customer so he was not entitled to use the wi-fi.
    It depends. If the advertisement in the shop was simply "Free WiFi", any decent lawyer could argue that he was granted permission to use it. If the ad instead read "Free WiFi* (some restrictions may apply)", I'd say it's likely he did not have permission, as the restrictions were likely that the person needed to be a customer or in the establishment.

    In the parent's example, if the coffee shop was advertising "Free Electricity", I'd say walking in with a extension cord and plugging in would be legal. However, I would imagine that the owner would quickly amend the ad to limit it to customers.

    As it stands right now, the guy could probably sue the coffee shop for false advertising. I'd find it difficult to believe that the Wi-Fi can truly be considered "free" when a person who used the "free" service ends up paying fines and gets charged with a felony. Any ambulance chaser worth his salt would be lining up to sue the coffee shop over this one.

    So yes, I'd say the Chief of Police did a bang up job here. A person with no criminal intent or awareness of wrongdoing got charged, and the likelihood of the coffee shop getting sued out of business just went through the roof. Good job, Wiggum.
  107. Re:"Usage without permission" - What if you have o by prockcore · · Score: 1

    Using your logic, it's not illegal to send spam, and it's not illegal to call people on the do not call list.

  108. Michigan's 3rd world by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    Between "It's a free country" and "it's free" (but only to paying customers - today only, 10am-4am?) and their version of "unauthorized use", this makes me doubly wary of ever visiting Michigan again (also noted for it ridiculous tax structure and related social problems). It was once a great state.

    1. Re:Michigan's 3rd world by paulolellis · · Score: 1

      bad title my friend. the 3rd world has freedom, much much more than america... we just don't have money... I guess you have no idea why...

  109. Re:Inconsistent article by nigelo · · Score: 1

    This guy is guilty of not buying a cup of coffee.

    That's all, really.

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  110. Shop's walls should have signal dampening by GuyverDH · · Score: 1

    If the shop offering the free wi-fi service (free as in anyone can use), doesn't want it used outside it's shop, it needs to stop it at the walls. Otherwise, it's fair game. Free-public-wi-fi is just that.

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  111. Society's resources... by cpotoso · · Score: 1

    \begin{sarcasm} I see that once more the society's resources (police, legal system) are being used for really useful things rather than silly little things like health care, education, etc Way to go!!!! It is so essential to make sure nobody piggybacks onto an unsecured connection... \end{sarcasm}

  112. In this case... by wesley78 · · Score: 1

    In this case the guy shouldn't have been charged. It seems like a crime where the coffee shop owner would have had to press charges in order to get any kind of sentencing, and clearly he didn't feel that this was a crime. Given that the guy did receive a fine and community service, it would be nice if the county handed that money over to the coffee shop to make up for all the coffee the guy never bought. Right... I won't hold my breath on that.

    I think that there needs to be a paradigm shift in how people look at open networks though. Drive around any neighborhood and you'll probably have plenty of open networks visible to you, but I don't know that all those people really want people using their internet. In this case, the guy was a coffee shop owner- presumably because he really likes coffee and the atmosphere or whatever it is that said "I want to own a coffee shop." He probably knows coffee really well... but the computer networks are best left to someone else. Or perhaps he knows just enough about computers to be dangerous. Some people have a network setup for them because they dont know how, and others set it up themselves with increased security. It's the group in the middle that just plug in thier equipment and never think about the default settings.

    Assuming that a great many open networks are like this, perhaps people looking to access the networks should change their thinking slightly. Instead of thinking "Here is an open network, therefore the network owner is willing to let me use it, unless he has expressly told me I should not (and even then he left his network open, didn't he?)." perhaps the thinking should be "Here is an open network but I should get express permission to use it just in case I'm not really meant to use it." Now, express permission could be a sign put up by a shop owner "Free Internet" or, maybe you read in the brochure on San Francisco that city-wide wifi is now available and you see the instructions to access it. It cannot be your NIC talking to the router though. The router is not intelligent. It only does what it is told to do, and a lot of routers will give anyone an IP address by default, whether or not the owner really wants that to happen.

    I really can't assume that good internet security is common sense- I talk to way too many people who have no clue.

    1. Re:In this case... by Budenny · · Score: 1

      Another difficulty is, most laptops will simply sign on to the first available open net. You have lets say a totally non technical partner, and you share a laptop. Off she goes to another city, turns on, picks up mail. How are you going to start explaining that yes, there was a net she could have used lawfully where she was staying, but the one the machine signed on to was not that? How are you going to start showing a liberal arts major with no interest whatever in this stuff how to configure wireless on a linux or windows laptop?

      It really does seem that the combination of the way laptops and wifi points are supplied is an invitation to everyone ending up using one that they are not entitled to, at least some of the time. Especially if they are not technical. Take Norwich UK for instance, I was reading today that like lots of UK cities now, it has a municipal net that you are entitled to use. Can you see the average person realizing that their machine has not signed on to that, but onto a nearby cafe? Or apartment? Should they realize it?

    2. Re:In this case... by wesley78 · · Score: 1

      Good points. Laptops will auto-login to networks with the same SSID as their regular network, so unintentional piggybacking has got to be common as well. Aside from the added money, I can see why many ISPs like to setup the wireless network for consumers these days. My LinkSys router made it fairly easy to set up the encryption for the general person by just pushing a button on the unit, but it still doesn't do much for the person just turning on their laptop and letting it do it's thing to connect to the internet. How do you encourage someone to educate themselves about something in which they have no interest in learning beyond making it "just work?"

  113. It's obvious there was pressure here to prosecute. by pappy97 · · Score: 1

    You might wonder how a guy is charged with this felony when he, the cop, and store owner didn't even know it was a crime.

    I suspect small business owners in Michigan put pressure on the DA to prosecute. Many are probably tired of people using the wi-fi without entering the store and buying something, whether it is right or not.

  114. What about "invited" open wifi? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wifi networks usually have names. Often these default to "linksys" or "belkin", but what if you find an unsecured wifi network that has a name of "Free Wifi" or "Free 4 All"?

    Would using those access points still be illegal even though there is plausible evidence of an invitation? Could it be considered entrapment to prosecute someone for using these two examples in a hypothetical situation?

  115. the michigan law by bracktra · · Score: 1

    Here's the prohibited actions and penalties.

  116. Our tax dollars... hard at work! by v3xt0r · · Score: 1

    What a waste of time and tax payer resources.

    Why didn't the owners/staff of the cafe simply ask him to not use their wifi?

    If they did, and he continued to do it, THEN legal matters should have proceeded. I can't believe they actually pressed charges like that though. lame

    Now he has a (felony) criminal record, which will affect him when applying for new jobs in the future. For what?

    Ruining his career is more of a crime than anything he did. These people enforcing these laws are simply incapable of making rational decisions. =(

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  117. Authorization was given by Sleepy · · Score: 1

    This does not settle anything except that the fellow charged does not have the money to contest. Practically speaking, most people will bend over when asked to pay $400 or risk a fight that costs $4,000.

    Many an expert witness would testify that the person's actions did not violate the technical aspects of the law, as it is written.
    A competent lawyer would find this an easy win WITHOUT even challenging the law itself.

    You can't play music out your window - to the sidewalk - with a sign that says "don't listen".

    Trespassing does not even apply here - on private commercial property that is open to the public, you can not be arrested just because the owner does not like you. The owner however does have the power to ask you to LEAVE.. and if you do not then you are trespassing.

    All emotion aside, the 802.11 protocol does not allow for ambiguity. Clients ask for "authorization", and the AP either grants it or it denies it. In this case, the fact is :access WAS granted by the owner's AP. Period. Now on the other hand, if you were to smash the authentication and access scheme to gain access without authorization - that is what the law should protect against.

    Clever naming of the AP does not a binding contract make either, or many slashdot users would be naming their open APs "blow me". :)

    This law is at the very least overly broad and miswritten. Try this in a real city not some hick white bread town, where there would be a population of lawyers who would itch for an easy win like this.

    Lawyers don't work for free unless there's a big settlement. People wonder why so many big lawsuits fly about? When the law is abused, it's not worth it to "do the right thing" and fight the charges, if the BEST you can hope for is clearing your name and winning 100% (and not a penny more) of your legal costs. There is nothing to deter legal abuse like this - no one ever loses their job for injustice.

    Now, it WOULD be tempting to fight this IF being found innocent meant the District Attorney had to serve the term he threatened you with.

  118. Right and Good by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

    I think the distinction you're illustrating here is one made in ethics between RIGHT or obligatory, and simply GOOD or 'supererogatory', i.e. good but not obligatory. Not assaulting someone is obligatory, and conversely everyone has a right to not be assaulted. Not being a rude asshole is not obligatory, and no one's rights are violated just by you being such a dick; but it's still a good thing to be polite and courteous. Law, in the liberal tradition (liberal in it's plain classical sense here, not in the American-Democratic-Party sense), is considered justified to the extent that it defends people's rights, or conversely, enforces people's obligations. A lot of the problems of traditional or religious (anti-liberal) law has been the conflation of things which are simply (supererogatorily) good with things which are obligatory, and the subsequent attempt to encode into hard and fast law everything which society on average finds good, even though "good" is a much fuzzier area far more open to interpretation than "obligatory". The example you gave, about the Bush administration taking the legality of something (or lack of illegality) to be a sign that it's perfectly OK to do, is a flip side of this that I never really considered.*

    This distinction between obligatory and supererogatory closely parallels that between necessary and contingent truths; e.g. 2+3=5 is a necessary truth, something which could not fail to be true by virtue of logic alone (there are fine technical points to be made here but I'm glossing over them), but that I am presently in Santa Barbara, CA is not *necessarily* true, though it *is* true. So, I find it interesting that you refer to the law-based, obligation-centric notions of right and wrong as deriving from a "logical" framework, as many ethicists hold that concepts of rights, duties or obligations do derive purely from a sort of ethical logic, e.g. Kant's "categorical imperative" and everybody who's followed that lead.

    *(Though now that I think about it, the real flip side is like someone saying "I'm not required by law to eat well and exercise, so there's absolutely nothing wrong with me laying in bed eating cheesecake all day." There is something wrong with that; it's bad for you and you shouldn't do it. But you're still not *obligated* to eat well and exercise, and so there oughtn't be a law requiring that you do. Same deal as applied to the rude-asshole example. But Bush's transgressions are more of a confusion of legal and ethical obligation; you can be legally permitted to do something and still ethically obliged not to, just as you can be legally prohibited and yet ethically permitted. More still, it stems from a confusion of rights, which inherently belong to people, with powers, which are tentatively granted to governments, leading them to think that just because the law doesn't say the government can't do something, that they can do it; or equivalently, that just because the law doesn't explicitly grant people a particular right, that they don't have such rights. The government may not do anything above and beyond what a normal citizen may do, except where explicitly given permission by the citizenry, and the citizens retail permission to do anything which is not explicitly illegal. The inversion of this, to the notion that government can do anything it wants to except what's explicitly prohibited, and that the people only have the right to do what the government allows them to do, is the real root cause of rising government invasiveness).

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    1. Re:Right and Good by drDugan · · Score: 1

      Things are much simpler than you describe. It is only a set of common assumptions that make things so complex.

      Underlying your writing is an artificial separation into classes of positive behavior that, when a person takes mores seriously, simply does not exist. Rather there is a continuum of bahavior that has to weight the me against the "not-me". Unfortunately, a vast mojority of "normal" everyday human behavior would stop if this view were understood and believed by most people, so it will take some time before we mature enough as a species to get back there.

      The only reason the governement gives people "rights" is within a context where there are a lot of wrongs going around. In a world where people were healthy (emotionally and physically), the population was stable, and new children were a blessing raised by a whole tribe, to be healthy (like it was for the first ~ 850,000 years of human evolution) then people could live happily on 2-3 hours of work each day and never worry about laws. We'll get back there... hopefully in my lifetime.

  119. Ridiculous Escalation by blueZhift · · Score: 1

    It just ridiculous that what this guy was doing would be a felony at all. If he were accessing the wi-fi in order to commit crimes, it would make sense, but for anything else it's the digital equivalent of loitering. Last time I checked, loitering wasn't a felony, oh wait...

  120. How to authorize use then? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The question in my mind is, what constitutes authorized use of an open WiFi?

    When you simply walk through the door, that seems little different than sitting out in the car. Is even just placing an order implicit use to use the service? For how long? Or do all people that intend to make use of the service need to explicitly ask an employee if it's OK to do so... then the question of duration arises again.

    It just seems like way to murky an area to convict anyone on.

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  121. Its a crime? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    To use something that is given away freely?

    WTF?

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  122. You're an idiot by Rix · · Score: 1

    We're not talking about "security measures". Enabling open access means you are inviting anyone to connect to the network. It is exactly equivalent to a sign that says "Please come in".

  123. Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > and no a judge wouldn't

    Only because judges are generally illiterate on things tech. DHCP is exactly a request to be assigned network resources. Your workstation/laptop sends out a request containing a globally unique identifier (MAC addr) and the server is free to permit or deny access based on it. That dhcp server is under your control and making decisions based on a policy you gave it, thus it is acting on authority you delegated unto it. By default most routers will hand out an address to anyone who asks for one, which implies a GRANT ANY policy. However almost all DHCP servers offer more restrictive options, even those found in consumer electronics class wireless routers.

    Perhaps we need a warning label on the boxes:

    "Warning, by default this product will grant access to anyone within it's range who asks. If this is NOT what you want please follow the directions to change it's policy."

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    1. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Your suggestions look to be highly technocratic to me. Remember, non-nerds have to use this stuff, and the suggestions given here are given by nerds, and only useful for nerds.

      There is no inexpensive and hassle-free way to selectively grant and deny based on whether you are a customer.

    2. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by jmorris42 · · Score: 1

      > There is no inexpensive and hassle-free way to selectively grant and deny based on whether you are a customer.

      Inexpensive? Depends on your definition of inexpensive. There are a LOT of 'vendor solutions' out there for wireless access control and I doubt they consider themselves unaffordable. It is up to each operator to decide if the cost of a 'solution' is worth the asking price. And yes a popular, rational I might add, option is to decide that the bother of registering each customer's laptop for a limited time exceeds the losses from freeloaders even if the enabling software were free, easy to install and dead simple to use. But if there were demand for the feature I'm sure equipment vendors would at least offer a capture url on first access that displayed a terms of service page editable by the operator of the access point. Pretty sure OpenWRT can do that.

      If you got a page that says "This access point is provided for the exclusive use of paying customers of "XYZ Coffeeshop", all other access is UNAUTHORIZED and will constitute theft of service." it would change the legal picture entirely. Because then you would know what the house rules are and that you were breaking them. But an open access point is just that, open. And usually pretty anonymous since the people who don't secure their AP often leave the ESSID set to linksys.

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    3. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      DHCP is exactly a request to be assigned network resources.

      To extend an analogy that people of the camp that pushes this as trespass like to use, a router with DHCP and no restrictions set is kind of like a unlocked door on your house with a big giant sign that says "Please come in and make yourself at home". In this case, if you went out to work, and came home to find someone camped out in front of your TV drinking one of your beers and watching the game, I think you'd be on pretty shaky ground legally. It's the same deal here, if you don't secure the router in some way (and it's dead simple to do so) then you have no right to complain about someone using it.

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    4. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by orclevegam · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is no inexpensive and hassle-free way to selectively grant and deny based on whether you are a customer. Ok, here's one for you, why not print the WPA (or if you must, WEP) on the customers receipt with a disclaimer that the service may only be used by paying customers. Then the only ones that have access are those that have read the disclaimer are have been informed of the access requirements. Can't get much cheaper than a couple lines on the receipt.
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    5. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by Adelle · · Score: 1

      > Remember, non-nerds have to use this stuff,

      Non-nerds don't *have* to use anything, any more than I do.

      I don't know how to drive a car. I *demand* that all cars be self driving so that I don't need to learn how to drive one.

      Seriously, I don't believe in making things *arbitrarily* more difficult than they have to be, but knowing how to use something is not an entitlement received at birth.

      Adelle.

    6. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a market begging for a product to me. An access point where you press a button and it spits out a receipt with a password on it. That password is then able to log in for a specified amount of time. I could imagine you'd be able to sell hundreds of thousands. Libraries, coffee shops, internet cafes, restaurants, hotels. Anywhere that patrons might want wifi but you don't want it freely available.

    7. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by PayPaI · · Score: 1

      Already exists: ZyXEL G-4100
      D-Link had something similar but looks like they don't carry it anymore.

    8. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by Lamesword · · Score: 1
      Autoconfiguration of network interfaces makes computers easier to use, not harder, but autoconfiguration requires the computer to be able to figure out on its own whether or not it's okay to access a network. If we say, "What appears to your computer to be open is not really open," then we prevent computers from figuring out permissions on their own, and require human intervention. More human intervention makes computers harder to use. This isn't a huge issue now, when so much use of hotspots involves explicitly sitting in front of your computer and being conscious that you're using that hotspot, but as software improves and computers act more independently on our behalf (e.g., delivering email messages for us that we wrote when we were not near a hotspot), the requirement of human intervention becomes a bigger obstacle to usability.

      As for the store owner who wants to restrict access to customers, she can have a sign that says, "Wireless access for customers only," and settle for the fact that most people will obey this, and maybe an occasional computer in the backpack of a passerby will connect and deliver an enqueued email message. If she wants something more stringent, then she can put up a sign that says, "Wireless access for customers only. Password: coffee." That won't keep dishonest people out, but neither did the outright open access, and it doesn't interfere with the idea that what appears to the computer to be open really is open--an idea that makes computers easier to use. If she wants something more stringent than that, then she should be prepared to be a nerd or find herself one.

      The law may very well say that just because an access point is open doesn't mean you're allowed to use it. But laws like this ultimately make computers harder to use, by requiring human intervention in situations where a computer would otherwise be able to sort things out on its own, and thereby making the computer harder to use.

    9. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      Heh, figures. My business ideas are always a day late and a dollar short. :P

    10. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by westlake · · Score: 1
      Only because judges are generally illiterate on things tech. DHCP is exactly a request to be assigned network resources.

      The machine isn't the one who has to answer to the judge.

      The geek - the war-driver - who found an unprotected system is the one who has to answer to the judge.

      The judge isn't being asked to decipher the geek's techno-babble, only his intent.

      The burglar - the pro - doesn't get a free ride because his victims don't know how to install a high security lock.

    11. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      If she wants something more stringent, then she can put up a sign that says, "Wireless access for customers only. Password: coffee."

      That's the way to do it. Put up a password, on the wall, and put restrictions on the use. Cracking a password, no matter if it's only 64-bit WEP or whatever, is illegal, as is using a network you know you don't have permission to access.

      Although saying something is 'for customers' is pretty silly, as you left out a time frame. What would be more logical is printing out a key on the receipt, and changing it every day or week or whatever. You wouldn't need to make any 'rules' at all...if the key still works, they are allowed to use it, if not, they're still not allowed to guess or crack one.

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    12. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....then you have no right to complain about someone using it......

      But in this case, the owner did NOT complain. However, the neighbors (legislature, cop) did and tried to assert their authority in an area where they have neither authority nor understanding. The problem is that most of those who deal with laws (lawyers, judges and politicians) generally don't have even the faintest knowledge of technology and therefore make and enforce laws in the light of their ignorance. In the physical world, if I want to invite anyone off the street into my house, I have the perfect right to do so. It seems that the legal folks don't understand that this is no different in cyberspace and therefore make and try to enforce laws against it. This poor fellow was just caught in the web of their ignorance.

      Anyone here on /. who knows any of these legal types, might educate them a bit about technical matters, if the opportunity presents itself. Who knows, it might prevent such a nightmare from happening to someone on this forum.

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    13. Re:Judges are ignorant, film at 11 by arminw · · Score: 1

      ....The burglar - the pro - doesn't get a free ride because his victims don't know how to install a high security lock......

      However, if I invite the potential burglar into my house, he ceases to be a burglar in the eyes of the law. If I give my router the authority to invite anyone who happens within range, to be able to grant them entrance to my network, how is this any different? A technology ignorant lawyer might not be able to explain this to the judge. It appears to have been so here.

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  124. Cop problem by Kahnmark · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the cop thought he was Jack Bauer and felt the need to investigate this man's "ritual"; perhaps he was praying before Allah before detonating a bomb there? Maybe he was hax0ring into the coffee shop network to stealz some money! Thank goodness such a diligent officer of the law was there to give a man grief, 40 hours of picking up trash and take 400 hard earned dollars because he used something that was plainly available. If there were a sign on the coffee shop that said "no internets leeching!" i could see a problem, remedied by a slap on the wrist. Some laws are just too stupid not to break.

  125. What happens if... by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 1
    What happens if you are in a downtown area with a lot of access points, and one shop has a "free wifi for customers" shop up, and another shop has a "FREE wifi up". According to what you say, the second is legal to access, and the first isn't. But what if you accidentally log onto the wrong network? What if their SSIDs aren't logically named so as to identify which one you are logging on to? What if you computer automatically jumps on one (because they do tend to do that). I think a sign should never be considered sufficient for the following reason: you should not have your "legal" warning placed in real space when what you are trying to secure is actually in cyberspace. Cyberspace (as enabled by the wifi router) is most likely accessible in areas where the the sign is not visible in real space, and therefore it isn't fair to use a sign as a warning. It makes about as much sense as leaving the realspace door open, but having your router broadcast a warning (who knowns, maybe by settings its SSID) saying

    NO TRESSPASSING! DO NOT ENTER! Cyberspace and realspace are seperate, and if you don't want someone tresspassing in one of those spaces, it makes sense that you warn them in the space that you don't want them to enter. If you don't want them on your router, you should probably do something like the following to make it clear:
    1. Encrypt your Wi-Fi (even with weak encryption, that is the realspace equivalent of locking a door).
    2. Do not set your SSID to broadcast (real space equivalent of closing, but not locking, a door).
    3. At the very least, set your SSID to custonly or something link that. However, that still would (or at least should) make it difficult for you to process someone, because it is possible their computer just logged automatically. You should have to at least proved that they saw the SSID when logging on.
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  126. Rediculous by just_forget_it · · Score: 1

    Sparta is only a few miles up the road from me. It's a miserable hick-town with nothing going for it. This is ridiculous. What shocks me is that this is even a law. If you're a business that offers Wifi, then you should be able to secure it properly. If you can't, then you deserve all the piggybackers you get.

  127. Computers lack human judgment by Lamesword · · Score: 1
    Requiring the client of a wireless connection to get permission above and beyond the digital equivalent of "come on in" is unreasonable. The problem is that computers are (a) often autonomous, but (b) lack human judgment. Consider the following example of using wireless: In a park that lacks wireless, I write an email and hit "send". My computer is unable to deliver the message at that time. However, while I'm walking downtown to catch a bus, my computer finds that a wireless connection is available, sends my email, and possibly downloads other emails. (That's the autonomy in this situation.) I think that that's a good use of wireless technology.

    How does my computer know whether or not it's okay to use the wireless connection that it found? Requiring the human operator to intervene undermines the ability for the computer to act autonomously, and additionally, mundane things like asking permission to use a wireless network are exactly the kind of thing that we should get computers to do for us. Faced with factors (a) and (b), we have to either forgo (a), or move the process of gaining permission out of the human realm and into the protocols. Well, forward-thinking designers did move the process of gaining permission into the protocols, allowing us to keep (a). In other words, letting the protocol be a substitute for human judgment--to the extent that a digital "come on in" really amounts to a "come on in"--allows computers to work on our behalf, without incessant intervention from humans. Allowing computers to go ahead and make connections to services that are digitally announced as available, without human intervention, is good.

    It does mean, though, that if you don't want computers connecting to your wireless network all willy-nilly, then you have to say no via the protocol. But this is quite feasible. You can have a password, or you can have a click-through. The principle is simple: don't make services publically available unless your intention is to make them publically available. Computers can't tell the difference between "publically available (yes, really)" and "publically available (no, not really)" when that parenthetical part is absent from the information the computer receives, and requiring human intervention hobbles the technology.

  128. Law aside... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what a jackass sheriff! the sheriff didn't even know if it was illegal. he had to research it. sounds like the guy was pretty upfront about it and didn't know either. the owner of the Wi-Fi he was 'stealing' didn't know either. so why the hell did the freaking sheriff immediately charge his ass? why didn't he say, 'hey, i did some checking and what your doing is felony offense. if i catch you here again doing this, i'm going to have to charge you." fire the freaking sheriff and replace him with a robot that runs on donuts. the robot would be more reasonable and have better understanding of the spirit of the law.

  129. And if you're illiterate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or too young to enter an agreement. Or English is not your language?

    You can set your computer up to be mandarin. Walking around "this wonderful country of yours" in Michigan your computer logs on to a nearby network. No notice of where it comes from and you cannot read the message on the door saying "you cannot use our wifi connection". Even if you could, you may be accessing someone else's network (in fact, this only makes sense: if you don't want non-customers using it, only give out a one-time password with a receipt. Or even just don't tell anything you're there: you'll tell your customers in person.

    Is this person now up against the law?

    No, the owner should secure their network.

    "But they're stealing bandwidth".

    No, there an an infinite number of 1's and 0's available. They only used bandwidth that nobody else was using (by virtue of the fact that the network protocol makes this so), so nothing has been "stolen".

  130. ..How dare he.. by paulmer2003 · · Score: 1

    What an atrocity! *death*

  131. Misleading by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 0

    Although I think its dumb to arrest or cite anyone using unprotected wi-fi, this article is painting a false picture. Its not free wi-fi, its no-fee wi-fi exchanged for patronage.

    Most of the reason for people getting all riled up about this stuff is because reporters and bloggers distort reality.

  132. Logical conclusion by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    In todays world with all this municipal free wifi, libraries, coffee shops, if i run across an *unsecured* access point it woud be perfectly logical to assume its free for me to use.

    If i was expected to come in and buy something first, they they needed to either encrypt it, or put some sort of login page before you get 'access'.

    Id say this needs to be appealed and run up the flag pole all the way to the US Supreme court, if needed.

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  133. An http request, is a "request". by popo · · Score: 1

    If I'm driving around with my laptop (turned on, of course) and my wireless device automatically searches for available networks (as most do) and my software is automatically making requests (as browsers, file sharing apps and many other programs do): It is important to remember that these "requests" are exactly that. They are "requests" to a server for both communications privileges and for information.

    We may like to call this an "unsecured" server, but what it *really* is is a server that "grants all requests". The server is set to "approve and accept all incoming traffic".

    What we have here is not a case of a man illegally making use of a server, what we have here is a server which is specifically configured to allow anonymous, random use.

    Digital "requests" were made of the server, and rather than refusing those requests, the server granted them.
    The problem here is that the authorities perceive wireless access like electrical currents. This is *not* a case of a 'diverted' resource. It is a case of a resource that is specifically set to serve anyone and everyone.

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  134. If I don't lock my front door, does that mean... by CokeJunky · · Score: 1

    it is not trespassing to just walk in?

    Come on people. At least the punishment was something appropriate to the crime. There is no requirement on the coffee shop owner to secure his wifi access if he doesn't think non-customers should be using it. It may be a good idea for the shop owner to do so, just as it is a good idea for me to lock my door, but that does not make it a requirement to make the law enforceable.

    As for the accused belief that he was doing nothing wrong... Well why didn't he sit in the coffee shop and use his laptop without buying something? Obviously because he would be asked to leave, or buy something. I don't buy the 'I wasn't doing anything wrong', or 'I didn't know it was wrong' line.

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  135. But, maybe he didn't break the law. by u8i9o0 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I have issue with the charge itself, "Unauthorized use of computer access".

    Here's the law text (I'll highlight the relevant portions):

    752.795 Prohibited conduct.
    Sec. 5.
    A person shall not intentionally and without authorization or by exceeding valid authorization do any of the following:
    (a) Access or cause access to be made to a
    computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network to acquire, alter, damage, delete, or destroy property or otherwise use the service of a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network.

    (b) Insert or attach or knowingly create the opportunity for an unknowing and unwanted insertion or attachment of a set of instructions or a computer program into a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network, that is intended to acquire, alter, damage, delete, disrupt, or destroy property or otherwise use the services of a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network. This subdivision does not prohibit conduct protected under section 5 of article I of the state constitution of 1963 or under the first amendment of the constitution of the United States.


    Dissecting the text:

    A person shall not intentionally and without authorization or by exceeding valid authorization do any of the following:
    The act was intentional, but a successful logon to the access point is, by technical definition, authorization. If there was no password, then there is no unauthorized use. Additionally, if there was no username, there was no opportunity for impersonation (impersonation would be a legal manner to be without authorization).

    On the second part, he may have exceeded authorization. My question: did the shop present any TOS and if so, did it forbid his manner of usage or only allow usage within the shop? If not, did they confront and object to his usage? If they did none of this, then he did not exceed authorization and the law was not broken.

    (a) Access or cause access to be made to a ... computer network to acquire ... or otherwise use the service of a ... computer network.
    Exceed authorization to use the service and you break the law.

    (b) ... knowingly create the opportunity for an unknowing and unwanted insertion ... into a ... computer network, that is intended to acquire ... or otherwise use the services of a ... computer network. This subdivision does not prohibit conduct protected under section 5 of article I of the state constitution of 1963 or under the first amendment of the constitution of the United States.
    Yes, the shop was unknowing. The question is: was the shop also unwanting? How would a user know if their insertion was unwanted? This again assumes a TOS notice.

    It may be that he did not do anything unlawful and was just poorly defended. This all depends on the existence of a TOS notice (since I assume the access point had no password).

    And, of course, the obligatory: IANAL.
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  136. WWHD? (What Would Hofstadter Do?) by gosand · · Score: 1
    This is true if and only if his router speaks for him. Legally, since you can't transfer power of attorney to an inanimate object, this is legally dubious.


    Well then, *technically* the man's computer that connected to the network would have committed the crime. After all, the computer (inanimate object) surely couldn't pass its power of attorney to the user. Right? Jeez, this is starting to sound like a passage in a Hofstadter book. :)

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  137. This is madness by ixplodestuff8 · · Score: 1

    Let the "This is SPARTA!" jokes begin.

    5 years felony charge, and $10,000 fine???
    This is madness!

  138. Re:What if your computer connects to the wrong wif by Wiseleo · · Score: 1

    It gets worse.

    A client has a valid DSL account and a larger house. The client has a WRT54G router. We setup an additional wifi network to extend the range using powerline bridge technology from Netgear.

    The client is a DirecTV subscriber. I am noticing that the connection speed is faster than it should be for a DSL. As I am configuring the WRT54G some stuff doesn't add up. My changes made upstairs are not propogating downstairs.

    I then notice a comcast.net instead of sbcglobal.net domain suffix. I ask my client if he has a DVR, and he tells me that he's not a Comcast subscriber. I then notice that firmware on WRT54G that I access downstairs is very different from the one I am accessing upstairs.

    As you can see, my client is using a neighbor's wifi router, but it's not visible from downstairs. Moreover, the neighbor's router has a vendor default password on its administrative screens.

    To make things more interesting, the DSL account settings on the correct router were messed up, which further complicated this scenario. I'd configure my equipment correctly, but I'd have no Internet. I had to spend some time with SBC to reconfigure his correct courter with PPPoE settings. I then had to undo all changes to the neighbor's wireless router.

    In any reasonably dense apartment complex, this is a valid scenario. I have 527 apartments in my complex and over 100 wireless networks.

    Total time spent on troubleshooting this mess was in the neighborhood of 4 hours.

    --
    Leonid S. Knyshov
    Find me on Quora :)
  139. Can't see why "no work" is a problem? by Lockejaw · · Score: 1

    Can anyone see the LIGHT in here? Just go on repeat that hypnotizing mantra "work work work work work work work ..." and you might end up losing signt of any other purpose, calling or destiny humanity may yet have, and become just a pawn in some evil overlord's idea of a chess game.
    So... who pays for your dinner?
    --
    (IANAL)
    1. Re:Can't see why "no work" is a problem? by tsm_sf · · Score: 1

      The ant.

      --
      Literalism isn't a form of humor, it's you being irritating.
  140. Re:"Usage without permission" - What if you have o by Zarhan · · Score: 1

    Not really. The DHC is the standardized method of denying incoming telemarketers. Setting your AP to not broadcast SSID or activating WEP/WPA is a standardized method of informing that this is not a public network.

    Cannot really see how this is analogous to spam.

  141. Lesson of all of this is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to never ever talk to the police without a lawyer present.

  142. Let me tell you about the time... by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 1

    ...Atlanta police decided the most important thing on their plate was to confiscate every dildo in the city.

    Laughed out of that, they started up on killing old women during no-knock drug raids.

    --
    668: Neighbour of the Beast
  143. Incompetance by jammo · · Score: 1
    From the article:

    Milanowski didn't immediately cite or arrest Peterson, mostly because he wasn't certain a crime had been committed. "I had a feeling a law was being broken," the chief said. What the f**k? The police chief doesn't know what is and isn't a felony (being a "very serious crime" by definition). I'd be worried if I lived in that part of the world!
  144. using your neighbors wifi is like... by stacybro · · Score: 1

    Wired is doing a Request for Analogies: using your neighbors wifi is like...
    What will the /. community add?

  145. OT: State of Mass by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

    I'm curious; what is incorrect about the term "State of Massachusetts"?

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    ...sometimes, in order to hurt someone very badly, you have to tell that person terrible lies. - PA
    1. Re:OT: State of Mass by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      It's not a state, it's a Commonwealth

    2. Re:OT: State of Mass by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you were trying to link to, but your post itself gave me enough hints. Pretty interesting, the technical difference between a Commonwealth and a State (take THAT, British Empire!). Of course, as the context of your original post indicates, it's a pretty academic distinction; even the official web site for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts uses both terms.

      Thanks! I always enjoy learning a bit of obscure trivia: Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and Virginia are the 4 US Commonwealths. I can now annoy my friends by insisting there are actually 46 states :-)

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      ...sometimes, in order to hurt someone very badly, you have to tell that person terrible lies. - PA
  146. Not as harsh? by killjoy966 · · Score: 1

    According to Section 750.540 of the Michigan Penal Code, the penalty for "...unauthorized use of any electronic medium of communication..." (although still a felony) is only 2 years in jail and/or a $1,000 fine (4 years and/or $5,000 if it results in a death). Where did the inflated stats come from?

    --

    Sigs are for suckers.

  147. Not "Free" According to TFA by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

    To everyone who said that "the connection is free"... um, no.

    The store owner says in the article: "If he would have come in (to the coffee shop), it would have been fine."

    And that is why it was illegal. Whether or not the person *knew* he was stealing makes no difference. The wireless service was offered up as a benefit only to the store's customers, and this person was taking advantage of that.

    Throw around analogies all you want, the fact is that he just assumed it was free because it was unsecured.

    --
    -David
  148. The actual Michigan law says... by Lanboy · · Score: 1

    He is guilty because he "intentionally and without authorization or by exceeding valid authorization" did "Access or cause access to be made to a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network" to "otherwise use the service of a computer program , computer, computer system, or computer network."

    He could have beaten the rap by attacking the first clause... "Intentionally and without authorization." If he had in the past connected to the coffee shop's wifi while enjoying some delicious upper peninsula java, he was connecting with authorization. A sign on the counter stating "WIFI is for customers only." would not prohibit him from using the service again, unless the business owner had a detailed disclaimer revoking authorization after the customer left the premises.

    Or, he could say that he did not know that he was on the coffee shop's internet since once he connected he would be connected automatically later. Probably blew that with his chat with the officer.

    Probably an ecconomic decision was made ... good Lawyer = $1500 vs. Probation before judgment + fine = $400. Don't know about the value of his time is for the 40 hours of picking up discarded coffee cups on the side of the road.

    Show me there is a law that says if you leave the door open I can waltz into your living room.

    Here is the law that says it is illegal to connect to WIFI networks without permission.

    I have to wonder about law enforcement priorities when a Law Officer has to look up whether an act is illegal before charging someone with a victimless crime and gets a bench warrent issued. Can a police officer start issuing warrants for things that he remembers that someone did that he just found out was illegal? Should he?

    FROM:

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(kflird55tkhn1vnln k2tqdim))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl -act-53-of-1979

    Section 752.795 [Short Link] [Printer-Friendly Versions]

    FRAUDULENT ACCESS TO COMPUTERS, COMPUTER SYSTEMS, AND COMPUTER NETWORKS (EXCERPT)
    Act 53 of 1979

    752.795 Prohibited conduct.

    Sec. 5.

    A person shall not intentionally and without authorization or by exceeding valid authorization do any of the following:

    (a) Access or cause access to be made to a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network to acquire, alter, damage, delete, or destroy property or otherwise use the service of a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network.

    (b) Insert or attach or knowingly create the opportunity for an unknowing and unwanted insertion or attachment of a set of instructions or a computer program into a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network, that is intended to acquire, alter, damage, delete, disrupt, or destroy property or otherwise use the services of a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network. This subdivision does not prohibit conduct protected under section 5 of article I of the state constitution of 1963 or under the first amendment of the constitution of the United States.

    History: 1979, Act 53, Eff. Mar. 27, 1980 ;-- Am. 1996, Act 326, Eff. Apr. 1, 1997

    FRAUDULENT ACCESS TO COMPUTERS, COMPUTER SYSTEMS, AND COMPUTER NETWORKS (EXCERPT)
    Act 53 of 1979

    752.794 Prohibited access to computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network.

    Sec. 4.

    A person shall not intentionally access or cause access to be made to a computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network to devise or execute a scheme or artifice with the intent to defraud or to obtain money, property, or a service by a false or fraudulent pretense, representation, or promise....

  149. Where is the fraud? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    TFA sez he was prosecuted for fraudulent access. Isn't there a burden of proof to show he did something fraudulent? If he had 'broken in' a (weakly) encrypted system, spoofed a MAC address, or something else, then, yes, this is fraud. but there were no claims of this.

    A better analogy is writing a bad check. IANAL, but I thought overdrawing a checking account is not a crime unless you can prove it was intentionally done.

  150. Bathroom's next! by tmh+-+The+Mad+Hacker · · Score: 1

    You're gonna stop by a gas station to use the john, even though you don't need to fill up your gas tank, and while you're sitting there, the SWAT team's gonna come and lob a tear gas grenade in at ya.

    Don't tell me that already happened to you; That was just the guy in the next stall!

  151. Secure the fucking router... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely ridiculous. Absolutely fucking ridiculous.

  152. Re:This is madness by bigsam411 · · Score: 0

    THIS IS SPARTA!!!

  153. Solicitation by grolschie · · Score: 1

    Due to the broadcast nature of unsecured wifi, it was the access point was the one in effect saying: "How about it buddy? Want some action?"

    To use the house analogy: the front door was open and there was a big sign saying: "Welcome! Feel free to come on in and make yourselves at home, y'all!"

    If accessing these networks is illegal, then so should solicitation be.

  154. Thank You all! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excellent, ballanced , thoughtfull discussion of an issue, with well-considered arguments from several points of view! A minimum of ad-hominem, name calling, and rants! This is GREAT kudos to all, especially including those with whom I disagree (I think this "offence" should have never been cited, let alone gone to court).

    Lets have more /. like this!

    (and, for the record, this is meant sincerely, not sarcasticly!)

    A. Coward

  155. Charges will be dropped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US law clearly states that accessing unencrypted wireless is legal.

    But first, I want to address a lie that was started by Alex Leary, a reporter for the St Petersburg Times. I have been following this story since it appeared. A "Benjamin Smith" was never arrested by the St. Petersburg Police for unauthorized access to a computer network, never charged with a third-degree felony, never booked by the Pinellas County Sherff's Office, and never scheduled for a pretrial hearing. There was no follow up to the story because there was no trial. Alex Leary made the whole story up.

    Do not spread urban legends. Especially about the law. When you are told that something is against the law, ask which specific law? When you are told someone was arrested, ask for the booking number? Went to trial, docket number. When someone cannot answer these questions, do not believe them.

    Accessing unencrypted wireless is VERY legal.

    According to Title 18 (Crimes and criminal
    procedure) of the United States Code, Part I
    (Crimes), Chapter 119 (Wire and electronic
    communications interception and interception of oral
    communications) from
    http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/wiretap25 10_2522.htm :
    2511. (2)(g) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter
    http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/wiretap25 10_2522.htm or Chapter 121
    http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/ECPA2701_ 2712.htm
    of this title for any person --
    (i) to intercept or access an electronic
    communication made through an electronic
    communication system that is configured so that such
    electronic communication is readily accessible to
    the general public; 2510. Definitions
    (16) "readily accessible to the general public"
    means, with respect to a radio communication, that
    such communication is not --
    (A) scrambled or encrypted ;
    (B) transmitted using modulation techniques whose
    essential parameters have been withheld from the
    public with the intention of preserving the privacy
    of such communication;
    (C) carried on a subcarrier or other signal
    subsidiary to a radio transmission;
    (D) transmitted over a communication system provided
    by a common carrier, unless the communication is a
    tone only paging system communication; or
    (E) transmitted on frequencies allocated under part
    25
    http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_04/47cf r25_04.html,
    subpart D
    ttp://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2004/octqtr/47cfr 74.401.htm ,
    E
    http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2004/octqtr/47cf r74.501.htm ,
    or F
    http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2004/octqtr/47cf r74.600.htm
    of part 74
    http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_04/47cf r74_04.html ,
    or part 94 http://wireless.fcc.gov/rules.html of the
    Rules of the Federal Communications Commission
    http://wireless.fcc.gov/rules.html , unless, in the
    case of a communication transmitted on a frequency
    allocated under part 74
    http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_04/47cf r74_04.html
    that is not exclusively allocated to broadcast
    auxiliary services, the communication is a two-way
    voice communication by radio; [The unlicensed
    spectrum used by Wi-Fi

  156. So then sniffing is legal? by croto · · Score: 1

    According to what you're saying, I could *legally* sniff all unencrypted traffic getting to my wireless card. IANAL but I guess there's a limit in "any broadcast transmission", and wifi is out.

    1. Re:So then sniffing is legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, sniffing is fully legal. People simply must realise that Wifi is a broadcast medium on unregulated spectrum. WEP cracking also is legal. Using this cracked WEP key to access the network is illegal.

  157. He KNEW He Was Being Shady by Petersko · · Score: 1

    The big sign on the front of that shop doesn't just say, "Free Wi-Fi". It says, "Free Wi-Fi Customers Only". Right there are the terms of use, announced loud and clear.

    The guy sits out in his car and, despite not buying anything, makes use of the network.

    Play all the games you want concerning ease of access. He definitely knew he didn't have permission to use the network and he did anyway.

  158. Not true by Luft08091950 · · Score: 1

    "I'm also glad I can trust the government to keep the letter of the law such that it only makes bad stuff illegal." No way. I had some really good stuff and it was illegal too.

  159. Lousy Lawyer? by chrismcb · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that the guy had a lousy lawyer. The claim is its piggybacking if you don't have the owners permission. Was there a sign posted that said "free wireless?" Did the sign say "Free wireless only if inside building?" Or "Buy a cup of coffee and get free wireless?" I'm guess it just mentioned free wireless. Wouldn't that be construed as implied permission? I think everyone screwed up here. The cop should have informed the coffee shop owner, and left it alone. The coffee shop owner should have better signs. The dude shouldn't have been surfing pron in the parking lot, and he should have gotten a better lawyer.

  160. not a computer network by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to see the statue, but the coffee shop likely doesn't have personal computers attached to it, and to connect to the internet can hardly be considered trasspassing.

    I would have fought this to the end.

  161. What does the Wi-Fi Alliance Think of This? by ghbrown1993 · · Score: 1

    It would be interesting to find out what the Wi-Fi Alliance thinks about this. Their PR representation can be contacted at 650-429-2772.

  162. Context by Chris+Siegler · · Score: 1

    So would the situation have been different if he had gone into the cafe and bought a latte, sat down and browsed the web, and then walked out of the store with his laptop *still* connected and sat down in his car to check his email?

  163. It's a good thing this happened! by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

    Can't everybody see that it's a good thing this happened! That guy was probably a terrorist using myspace to rape children, so he deserves what he got. This will send an important message to all the other terrorist child-rapers out there. Thank you kind policeman, for making the world a safer place!

    --
    I like my coffee the way I like my women - roasted and ground up into little tiny pieces.
  164. Entrapment? by CiderJack · · Score: 1

    It seems pretty clear that if there is a 'piggybacking' law, the law should also demand that the broadcasters of wifi secure their system or be held at least partially accountable.

    This could be arguable in regards to private home wifi networks, but considering a commercial establishment *actively advertises free wifi*, as in this case, it's just bait that entraps ordinary citizens and gives them an undeserved criminal record.

    Bad, bad law.

  165. Re:If I don't lock my front door, does that mean.. by Big_Al_B · · Score: 1

    Bad analogy. Leaving your door unlocked is a passive act. Broadcasting your SSID and configuring your WAP to offer open access is an active behavior.

    Leaving your door unlocked may be a better analogy for having an 802.11 transmitter/receiver on your computer passively listening for SSIDs. The "intruder" could be analagous to a WAP that actively announces the presense of an open network and then actively offers access.

    Here's a more accurate analogy: What if you put a splitter on your living room cable jack and then--without saying a word to me--ran the second cable into *my* living room with a *huge* sign attached to it that said, "I'm here! Please use me!"

    Do you think I'd be stealing access to your cable if I took you up on the offer? I hope not.

    That's what "broadcasting your open network's SSID" means in 802.11 wireless networking. You've got to consider which entity (computer or WAP) is the aggressor in the situation, and by design in an open WLAN that's the WAP.

  166. is it just me by EdelFactor19 · · Score: 1

    IANAL
    but from the basis of the description of this, the case should be thrown out as a violation of miranda rights. The person wasn't informed of the rights when they were asked the question. Had he not answered the question the case goes nowhere. Was there a complaint by the owner of said wifi? I'm guessing no.
    Miranda rights should protect someone in cases like this. He could have refused to answer said question if he knew it was actually a problem, and asserted 5th amendment rights. Case goes nowhere unless the owner of said wifi complains.

    reminder that once again, don't answer friendly questions from police such as "what are you doing" because apparently miranda doesnt apply anymore. my global response as of late has been and will be "is there a problem officer" the advice i read somewhere is let them tell you what you did wrong, otherwise it will somehow be construed as an admission. I dont engage in this activity but i would close laptop and ask that question. If he objects I could always say i had confidential material on the screen that I cant show him.

    it does seem rather intriguing tho. suppose i could spoof my mac address on my wireless card, wouldn't it get a bit trickier for them to pin this charge on me because they'd have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that I was indeed the violator of said access?

    either way its stupid. If you own a wifi secure it, if you leave it wide open you should be subjected to whatever. What about computers that auto connect? next you're going to tell me that if I hear a neighbor listening to his radio too loud that I need to not listen.

    if someone turns on a sprinkler and aims it such that water is falling on the street or sidewalk would it be illegal for me to collect said water with a bucket and do with it what i may?

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    "Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny" ~Frank Zappa
    EdelFactor
  167. Stop lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The difference is, my presumptions a re based on reasonable behavior from both parties, while your asumptions are based on Orwellesque paranoia.

    The point which you dodged is that there are several perfectly good reasons that the cop did what he did, but you immediately assumed the kind of motive that is all to typical here, that of intense and hyperbolic distrust of authority.

    And the most important point, which you should take to heart, is that you didn't even CONSIDER that possibility that the cop wasn't a rights trouncing, citizen abusing asshole, even though such individuals are BY FAR the exception. Most cops are regular guys, but your overwhelming paranoia clouds your ability to see that.

    "feel free to disregard all reasoned arguments I present :)"

    I did, even before you admitted you were ignorant.

    "The only thing I assumed was that the story the OP related, and specifically what the cop told him/her was accurate."

    That's a fucking lie and you know it.

    1. Re:Stop lying by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the most important point, which you should take to heart, is that you didn't even CONSIDER that possibility that the cop wasn't a rights trouncing, citizen abusing asshole, even though such individuals are BY FAR the exception. Most cops are regular guys, but your overwhelming paranoia clouds your ability to see that.

      Only one out of twenty of our airline pilots is drunken on duty, and your demands to speak to the pilot before the flight is extreme paranoia.

      Considering that it's the rights trouncing, citizen abusing asshole that hassle people for no reason to start with, I think a little paranoia is well justified when dealing with police.

      --
      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
    2. Re:Stop lying by xappax · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "feel free to disregard all reasoned arguments I present :)"

      I did, even before you admitted you were ignorant.


      Ok, ok, I get it - IHBT IHL HAND. But it is an interesting discussion, so on the off chance that I'm not the only one legitimately participating in it:

      The point which you dodged is that there are several perfectly good reasons that the cop did what he did

      I'm really trying here, but I can't think of too many reasons a cop would say "You don't have to tell me what's in the bag, unless I ask": Either he accidentally misrepresented the law, or he deliberately misrepresented the law. If there are more possibilities than that, please tell me specifically what they are.

      rights trouncing, citizen abusing asshole[s]... are BY FAR the exception. Most cops are regular guys

      Most cops are regular guys. And I'm not so aloof as to claim that I or most people I know wouldn't act the way cops do if we were put in uniforms, given guns and authority, and given a simultaneously boring, frustrating and fairly scary job. Because there is a large, very well respected body of study that shows that when you take ordinary people from all walks of life and put them in those kind of cop-like roles, we very frequently begin exhibiting aggressive, abusive behavior.

      The Stanford Prison Experiment is the most dramatic demonstration of this, and it and the Milgram Experiment form the basis of a lot of modern study of the psychological effects of authority.

      So yes, I have a certain amount of sympathy for the situation "ordinary guy" cops find themselves in, but there's no doubt that these ordinary guys do end up violating people's rights and abusing their authority fairly consistently, and it doesn't make it "OK" just because they're ordinary guys. To demonstrate that it's not just a few "bad apples" abusing their authority, here's an experiment you can try at home (or in your hometown):

      - Find a cop who's arresting, ticketing, searching, or otherwise hassling a stranger.

      - Approach the scene and openly observe the interaction. Allow yourself to be obviously seen recording information like the officer's license plate number, badge number, and description. Take pictures openly if you have a camera. IMPORTANT: Keep a generous distance so as not to interfere in any way.

      - Don't speak to or interact with anyone on the scene, except (optional) when the officer has a moment, announce yourself so you don't arouse suspicion. Say something along the lines of "Officer, my name is [your name] and I'll just be acting as an observer of this encounter."

      - Wait for the officer to ask you to move along. Politely reiterate that you're just observing, and have no desire to interfere.

      - Wait for the officer to order you to move along. Politely reiterate that you're just observing, and have no desire to interfere.

      - Wait for the officer to attempt to interrogate you or get you to present ID. Politely reiterate that you're just observing, and have no desire to interfere.

      - Wait for the officer to threaten you with arrest and/or intimidate you further. Politely reiterate that you're just observing, and have no desire to interfere.

      - (optional) Wait for the officer to either give up, conclude their original encounter, and move on, or actually follow through and arrest you.

      Not all police will react according to these instructions, but easily over half of them will. Much of the rest of the time (usually when it's just a stop-and-search, or random questioning, not an actual arrest) the cops will stop unusually quickly and move on, to avoid further observation. I and people I know have performed this test many times with cops in many different cities and towns, and the response is strikingly uniform (no pun intended

  168. Computers are not a house. by TehZorroness · · Score: 1

    I am getting tired of this "house and door" analogy. Computers function much more like a legal firm or a bank. Besides using the bank as the bank expects, there are two methods of getting money out of it. One is entering through the "unlocked door" and grabbing a few sacks of dough. We all know and accept that this is both immoral and unlawful.

    The other way of getting money out would be by playing by the rules. The bank gives you paperwork. Paperwork is the network protocol of the physical world. Documents are packets and people are routers. Now, as long as I comply to the terms of my contract, there is now way anything I am doing should be considered unlawful. Lets say I find a way of maneuvering through the paperwork to a point where I am allowed to collect 200$ AND pass go. I followed the protocol set by the service proveder. I played by their rules. It is not my fault they made a mistake.

    Now this applies to all sorts of things, not just wifi access. When Myspace got hacked, that kid was following the protocols set by their servers. He did not break in and take advantage of an unattended terminal. He did not break into the bank. He used the paperwork. Everyone trys to use law to attack people who play by the rules of set protocols. And many look upon these people with scorn. I don't think these views are correct, and I also don't think the house analogy fits at all. It is the job of an administrator to make sure there are no loopholes in a system, if there are any which exist, it is their responsibility to fix it and their liability to solve any problems which arise as a result

  169. Governing Precedent to this is unconstitutional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The governing precedent to this is the Michigan Police Radio Law that was passed in the 1920s and used for the next sixty years to harrass residents who owned police scanners, and then to harass those who had radar detectors. Similar arguments are expressed later down this page that are all related to justifications used by various Michigan prosecutors over the decades to defraud their victims of money for having scanners, radar detectors, and in some cases even citizens band radios in their cars. Eventually an injured victim had money and was mad enough to pursue his tormentors through the courts up to the Michigan Supreme Court. At that point the jig was up and the Supreme Court of Michigan declared the old police radio law unconstitutional as these all involved signals coming through the air. And so it is with wi-fi. That comes through the air as well. Argumants about bandwidth are largely irrelevant. Politics are transitory, and these arbitrary draconian laws about computers will have their sunset as well. By the way, on the heels of that Supreme Court decision, many lawsuits were filed against municipalities that had for years predated on their citizens, and those local governments had to pay quite a bit.

  170. Ted Stevens would have been proud. by justinrchapman · · Score: 1

    Another case of the person in authority not knowing what they are talking about when it relates to technology. Here is an email I wrote to the reporter that wrote this story and forwarded to the chief of police. To: policechief@spartami.org Subject: Fwd: Wireless Felony ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Justin Chapman Date: May 23, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: Re: Wireless Felony To: target8consumer@woodtv.com It's a shame that this case didn't go to trial. I doubt that it would have made it past a grand jury. Obviously, there was no crime that took place. He did not break in to anything. Chances are he had atleast once stopped into the coffee shop. The owner of the coffee shop did not want to press charges. The access point was intentionally left open with no authentication mechanism. Did the accused have any criminal intent? From Michigan State Code.... (6) It is a rebuttable presumption in a prosecution for a violation of section 5 that the person did not have authorization from the owner, system operator, or other person who has authority from the owner or system operator to grant permission to access the computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network or has exceeded authorization unless 1 or more of the following circumstances existed at the time of access: (a) Written or oral permission was granted by the owner, system operator, or other person who has authority from the owner or system operator to grant permission of the accessed computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network. (b) The accessed computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network had a pre-programmed access procedure that would display a bulletin, command, or other message before access was achieved that a reasonable person would believe identified the computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network as within the public domain. (c) Access was achieved without the use of a set of instructions, code, or computer program that bypasses, defrauds, or otherwise circumvents the pre-programmed access procedure for the computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network. Obviously, the access was open and he was assigned an IP address and default gateway and DNS information automatically by the access point. So the argument could be made that the store owner was potentially giving unauthorized access to his computer to others connected to this access point. The access point transmits it's SSID and often people have their computers set to connect open access points that broadcast their beacon. So i don't see that if this is actually a crime that entrapment did not take place. I think that your story vastly misrepresented the facts of what happened and was uninformed. Sincerely, Justin R. Chapman

  171. diversion of ... wifi signals ? by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    Maybe he will need to be 40 hours usher in the muncipal county's WIFI Diversion Program or something like that ;)
    He'll probably think twice next time to buy that Cafe Latte beforehand, if he is even allowed to use WIFI after this "felony" ...

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    --- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
  172. even worse ? for the money ? by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    Can't the judge see this is a waste of resources?

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    --- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
  173. Amurrikah by rook2pawn · · Score: 1

    While Germany, Japan, South Korea, Sweden, Norway, Finland, etc... are in full technological advance, their culture and students placing larger emphasis on math and sciences, etc... etc.. etc... The best thing that we have to come up with, in this bright age of science and opportunity, for all the possiblities, fighting homelessness and poverty, diseases, exploring and financing philosophy the arts and other THE BEST thing we can come up with as a country is regulating how people are latching onto other people's broadband?? That stopping DVD piracy is one of our CHIEF CONCERNS? Imagine that to live so wealthily, to have so much with so much information, so much exploration, all this unprecendented in the HISTORY of MANKIND, and we think about latching onto broadband? Pirated DVD's? These people (the administration) are destroying our country. Theoretically, if we go by the standards of Federal Law, for every $10k of taxpayers money stolen like this, there should be roughly 2-3 years in jail. This means we should have all the administration, the FBI, the AG's, imprisoned for LIFE. IMO.

  174. I have the perfect revenge... by d474 · · Score: 1

    1) Rent office space next to coffe shop
    2) Set up a "Free Wi-fi" hotspot
    3) As soon as coffee customer logs onto your network, call the cops
    4) Give MAC address of offending subject to cops
    5) Cops investigate coffee customers, locate offender
    6) Coffee shop LOSES a customer 7) Coffee shop LOSES PROFIT!!!

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  175. Madness? THIS IS SPARTA, Michigan! Go inside! by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 1
    I think it was a good call by the police to arrest him. The only reason I can think he wouldn't go inside was if he was downloading porn or a copy of the Jolly Roger Cookbook.

    While this guy is burning gas outside to stay warm for hours on end.

    Here is the rules for using such a network:
    • Go inside
    • Don't download anything involving porn or building incindiaries
    • Buy a cup of coffee, tea, chocolate milk, etc.
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  176. Re:If I don't lock my front door, does that mean.. by Xuranova · · Score: 1

    Ur analogy only works on the premise he bought a router with the default wireless setting set to off.

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  177. Default ESSID and other people APs by Sander_ · · Score: 1

    So if I have a access point in my house with a MAC filter, but it's still named "linksys" or "3Com", and then I walk into a shop that has an access point by the same name, running the default config, Windows Update will commit a felony on my behalf without me knowing it? Spooky.

  178. Upside-Down-Ternet by Garrett+Fox · · Score: 1

    For those who want to offer an unsecured wireless connection, yet punish piggybackers in a harmless way, I repost a trick someone offered: the Upside-Down-Ternet.

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  179. Re:If I don't lock my front door, does that mean.. by Big_Al_B · · Score: 1

    I don't agree, but let's proceed as if I did.

    You're then arguing that the coffee shop owner has no responsability for the default behavior of his/her WAP, which is to *actively* extend invitations to join a network.

    But then you're arguing that it is a felony for someone to power up their wireless-enabled laptop--that by default is configured to *passively* listen for active invitations?

    The active WAP purposefully initiates the relationship and its owner is not responsible, yet the passive laptop is the hacking device and its owner is criminally responsible? Please.

    That said, here's why I don't agree in the first place.

    1) Plugging the WAP into a cable modem == installing the splitter
    2) Powering on and running the WAP in default mode == running a cable into my house with a big sign saying "I'm here! Use me!"

    Don't try to hold me responsible for my default config if you aren't willing to take responsibility for yours.

  180. Original Article by Fnord666 · · Score: 1
    Both the summary and the linked article are misleading. The original article has a lot more detail about this story.

    I also found this bit interesting:

    New York's Westchester County is trying a different tack. Their local government said it's up to WiFi subscribers to protect themselves against piggybackers. Businesses were told to secure their networks or pay a fine.
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  181. There should be a rule by dmsuperman · · Score: 0

    There should be a rule. If the cop doesn't think you're breaking the law, you don't think you're breaking the law, and I don't think you're breaking the law, then you aren't breaking the law.

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  182. It does not seem he broke the law by dagda76 · · Score: 1

    Depending on if there was a sign up advertising free wireless, or if the SSID was clearly intended to be public, one or more of the following should have gotten him off. (6) It is a rebuttable presumption in a prosecution for a violation of section 5 that the person did not have authorization from the owner, system operator, or other person who has authority from the owner or system operator to grant permission to access the computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network or has exceeded authorization unless 1 or more of the following circumstances existed at the time of access: (a) Written or oral permission was granted by the owner, system operator, or other person who has authority from the owner or system operator to grant permission of the accessed computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network. (b) The accessed computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network had a pre-programmed access procedure that would display a bulletin, command, or other message before access was achieved that a reasonable person would believe identified the computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network as within the public domain. (c) Access was achieved without the use of a set of instructions, code, or computer program that bypasses, defrauds, or otherwise circumvents the pre-programmed access procedure for the computer program, computer, computer system, or computer network. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(lmkax1qvaphque2ra ldifr55))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl -act-53-of-1979