Marketing guy: we need the Macintosh market, if we can get Half Life on those cute little iMac's well sell millions
Dev dude: ya, but iMac's only have a rage 128 (I think). It's no game card. We might be able to get the performance out of a G4, with a snazzy new card
Marketing guy: video what?
Dev dude: also we build the game on top of Monolith's engine, which is build on DirectX.
Marketing guy: and.....
Dev dude: well how are we going to re-write Monolith's engine to work with OpenGL or a 3D API that works with mac's
Marketing guy: ya... sounds great. Write up a spec and when you think we can start shipping beta' we need this in time for Christmas.
Dev dude: excuse me.... BUT ARE YOU NUTS? This will take at least a year! We don't have anything to work with!
Marketing guys: [blank stare] ok well, who feels like lunch?
The really interesting thing will be when computer generated music is put through such a filter. I've heard a few compositions from computer generated score's and there well.... Weird. But kinda cool. Here's a link from yahoo on the subject hehe, I can see in the future the film director will just score parts of the film with attributes like "calm" "exiting" "breath taking". And let the software run the show. At least for films on a tight buget.. student films, indi films. This could be something will see in the near futore.
I work for a company that works with MainSoft. First they have very little to do with Microsoft. It's a little company that has a deal take the Microsoft source and port it to various *nix.
MainSoft has done an amazing job porting the Win32 API for *nix for some time now. The've ported it to Solaris and HP/UX. Why do you thing IE is out for Solaris and not Linux? Because IE for solaris is using MainSoft's win32 port!
Not only is MainSoft's port for win32, but COM/ATL and most C++ library's one uses in windows. It seriously only takes 5 mints to port your COM object to a Unix. No kidding.
Anyone who ses's this tech coming to the linux world a bad thing is blinded by there own linux cult paranoia.
Personally I think this is the only thing that would keep linux a contender. Wake up and realize linux is a collective piece of betaware built on 30 year old tech that is not suitable for most desktops. It's hot right now, but unless they get more things like mainsoft catering to it, it's going to burn out and die.
First off I relay my stream through live365.com so I only have to support ONE listener. So I have no hands on experience with how much processor load the number listeners takes.
What I will tell you is using winamp's dsp plug in for streaming to shoutcast (or icecast) is silly. It's a hacked design and for whatever reason nullsoft forces you to re-encode your stream on the fly. This really sucks up the processor (at least 40% per stream).
What I did is write a little perl script to re-encode my whole stream to 56k, I used l3enc, and l3dec. another nice thing about this is l3enc let's you use the -hq or highquality flag. And although I'm not sure, most likely does a better job encoding the mp3's.. it sure takes a lot longer.
Once your stream is re-encoded to whatever bandwidth just use shout and shoutcast or icecast. Personally I need to use shoutcast because icecast is not totally compatible with shoutcast/bsd which is what live365 uses.
Using shout my processor usage is around 0%, I mean it's not really doing anything but copying over a port.. how much load can that take?
Although icecast is open source I would opt for shoutcast's server. They've ported it to most ever UN*X and is a head of the game in the streaming mp3 business.
As for what platform, I chose NT because all my coding experience is with Microsoft tech. I like linux but sense all of my auxiliary app's run in NT and I wouldn't have a clue how to get them to work in linux.
Some other things... With winamp re-encoding you can use the music ticker plug-in.. very easy way to show what the current and last n songs we're.
Shoutcast (and maybe icecast) also will do this, but not if your using shout/shoutcast. Shout will only work with shoutcast if you use the '-I' icy-header's option.. which I guess doesn't tell the server what songs playing. You can write a little app to get the info out of shout. Shout creates a file called shout.log (I think). That is a big dump if what's it's played and what it's playing.
Another nice thing about shout is it's just a command line app, so writing app's to control what's playing on the stream is more strait forward.
Basically streaming mp3's is an infant technology. Very few people in the business, very few tools to do the job. Getting into it now is crucial as I believe it's the seed of Internet audio, the radio stations of the 21st century.
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thanks for clearing that up.. i was wondering how color uses less energy then b&w.
With my physic abilities I look into the Valve's meetings with the dev team
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Marketing guy: we need the Macintosh market, if we can get Half Life on those cute little iMac's well sell millions
Dev dude: ya, but iMac's only have a rage 128 (I think). It's no game card. We might be able to get the performance out of a G4, with a snazzy new card
Marketing guy: video what?
Dev dude: also we build the game on top of Monolith's engine, which is build on DirectX.
Marketing guy: and.....
Dev dude: well how are we going to re-write Monolith's engine to work with OpenGL or a 3D API that works with mac's
Marketing guy: ya... sounds great. Write up a spec and when you think we can start shipping beta' we need this in time for Christmas.
Dev dude: excuse me.... BUT ARE YOU NUTS? This will take at least a year! We don't have anything to work with!
Marketing guys: [blank stare] ok well, who feels like lunch?
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Doh i guess the HTML formating didn't work i'll try again... yahoo's Computer Generated Composition's cat
The really interesting thing will be when computer generated music is put through such a filter. I've heard a few compositions from computer generated score's and there well.... Weird. But kinda cool. Here's a link from yahoo on the subject hehe, I can see in the future the film director will just score parts of the film with attributes like "calm" "exiting" "breath taking". And let the software run the show. At least for films on a tight buget.. student films, indi films. This could be something will see in the near futore.
at the risk of sounding really dumb.. who is this guy?
I work for a company that works with MainSoft. First they have very little to do with Microsoft. It's a little company that has a deal take the Microsoft source and port it to various *nix.
MainSoft has done an amazing job porting the Win32 API for *nix for some time now. The've ported it to Solaris and HP/UX. Why do you thing IE is out for Solaris and not Linux? Because IE for solaris is using MainSoft's win32 port!
Not only is MainSoft's port for win32, but COM/ATL and most C++ library's one uses in windows. It seriously only takes 5 mints to port your COM object to a Unix. No kidding.
Anyone who ses's this tech coming to the linux world a bad thing is blinded by there own linux cult paranoia.
Personally I think this is the only thing that would keep linux a contender. Wake up and realize linux is a collective piece of betaware built on 30 year old tech that is not suitable for most desktops. It's hot right now, but unless they get more things like mainsoft catering to it, it's going to burn out and die.
First off I relay my stream through live365.com so I only have to support ONE listener. So I have no hands on experience with how much processor load the number listeners takes.
.. it sure takes a lot longer.
What I will tell you is using winamp's dsp plug in for streaming to shoutcast (or icecast) is silly. It's a hacked design and for whatever reason nullsoft forces you to re-encode your stream on the fly. This really sucks up the processor (at least 40% per stream).
What I did is write a little perl script to re-encode my whole stream to 56k, I used l3enc, and l3dec. another nice thing about this is l3enc let's you use the -hq or highquality flag. And although I'm not sure, most likely does a better job encoding the mp3's
Once your stream is re-encoded to whatever bandwidth just use shout and shoutcast or icecast. Personally I need to use shoutcast because icecast is not totally compatible with shoutcast/bsd which is what live365 uses.
Using shout my processor usage is around 0%, I mean it's not really doing anything but copying over a port.. how much load can that take?
Although icecast is open source I would opt for shoutcast's server. They've ported it to most ever UN*X and is a head of the game in the streaming mp3 business.
As for what platform, I chose NT because all my coding experience is with Microsoft tech. I like linux but sense all of my auxiliary app's run in NT and I wouldn't have a clue how to get them to work in linux.
Some other things...
With winamp re-encoding you can use the music ticker plug-in.. very easy way to show what the current and last n songs we're.
Shoutcast (and maybe icecast) also will do this, but not if your using shout/shoutcast. Shout will only work with shoutcast if you use the '-I' icy-header's option.. which I guess doesn't tell the server what songs playing. You can write a little app to get the info out of shout. Shout creates a file called shout.log (I think). That is a big dump if what's it's played and what it's playing.
Another nice thing about shout is it's just a command line app, so writing app's to control what's playing on the stream is more strait forward.
Basically streaming mp3's is an infant technology. Very few people in the business, very few tools to do the job. Getting into it now is crucial as I believe it's the seed of Internet audio, the radio stations of the 21st century.