There are already quite reasonable means for
publishing formulae on the web.
Mathematicians have been using TeX (and its derivatives like LaTeX, see
http://ww.tug.org) to typeset their manuscripts, and there are convertors from TeX
to HTML (see e.g. http://hutchinson.belmont.ma.us/tth/),
or one can create a Postscript or a PDF
file from TeX source quite easily, as well.
Was the poster trying to say that M$ is to blame
for lack of progress in maths, by not having
MathML in IE ?
Give us a break...
Dmitrii, NL
-- no, I didn't hack in M$, it was some other Dimitri...
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There is no clear border between intellectual property and information. Protecting intellectual property and freedom of information at the same time is quite self-contradicting activity.
Freedom of information is not bullshit - it's quite necessary to keep the Big Brother at bay. FYI, in Soviet Union photocopiers were generally not available to general public; most of "samizdat" was happening on a typewriter with carbon paper.
Now you're playing into hands of another Big Brother, it seems.
"Let's protect, at whatever cost, the X", seems to be a rotten formula, for X being "intellectual property" or "communist ideals"... The only difference is in the kind of elite the formula is protecting.
>Second, books have this thing called copyright,
BTW, you are allowed to copy parts of the book for the purpose of private study, etc etc.
>copying regular old books isn't as big a deal.
Huh? Did you ever heard about scanners, leave alone character recognition software? Technically, one can scan a book of few hundred pages in half a day and put it on Internet in (mostly) text form, quick to download etc...
>If there's no intellectual property, all creative/scientific works have to be done for the fun of it by hobbyists.
In many areas (say, mathematics) most of scientific research is done by university teaching staff, i.e. the people doing it mostly for fun. And it works, somehow.
IMHO, far more important than the intellectual property and information per se are the skills to use them. Yes, you are right that the business model of selling support for free software still has to prove itself. However, essentially the same model of a private school/university has already been proven to be working well.
The 1st $4000 ($8000 or more, depending on the number of kids if you got a family) would be untaxed, then up to about $20000 that's taxed at approx. 30%. And this is not income tax, it's so called social insurance premium.
At this level one is considered a low-income person still, who has right to get a subsidised housing and pays very low medical insurance premium (about $30 per month).
With higher income, things get worse:-) From the top $5000 of $35000 yearly income it's already 50 (or 60)% income tax.
>Umm...okay, Europe doesn't have concentration >camps but are citizens of most > European countries allowed to:
Does really US mass media condition the population to think that most of the following is no-no in Europe? Oh dear...
* buy beef from the US? with all the tasty growth hormones?:-) as the health care is subsidised here, at least for low-income people,I don't see any harm in having some regulations that make sure that the population doesn't damage their health on a massive scale...
* soon, buy genetically modified food? I guess so - not that I care much...
* go to whatever doctor they please? sure, no problem. (you might have some hard time convincing your GP that you really need to go to a particular specialist, but if he refuses to give the referral, you'd try another GP...)
* keep a majority of what they earn? where on Earth is this possible? money has to be spent, anyway.:-) I'm happily giving a considerable part of the money I earn to the govt so that it can build things, etc etc
* own a gun? that's dangerous in general - people'd start shooting each other on the scale it's done in US. I'd get very scared if I knew that most of my neighbours have a gun. It's nice to have a gun in an environment that is saturated with them, yes. But if most of the guns are police guns, I'd very much like to keep it this way. (and not only me)
* ride on a non-car transportation >system (i.e. train, bus) that isn't owned or >regulated to practical ownership by the gov't? not sure about train, but a bus, yes, why not? in UK they privatised their trains, with truly disastorous consequences (as was seen on TV last week) The rail tracks would have only one owner, anyway; I'd rather prefer the owner to be the govt than a bunch of filthy rich bastards I have no power to control at all.
* many other things... * take a medicine whether or not the >gov't health agency says they can? Sure, you'd take anything you can find, who cares? You'd walk in a coffeeshop and buy a proven, although not approved, medicine:-) It's de facto legal.
You'd go to a "magic mashroom" shop to buy some dodgier stuff - as long it's not explicitly banned, like LSD:-)
On the ulimate side, if you'd get terminally ill and be dying slow and painful death, you'd go to your GP to arrange for a fast end to the things, no problem:-)
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There are already quite reasonable means for
publishing formulae on the web.
Mathematicians have been using TeX (and its derivatives like LaTeX, see
http://ww.tug.org) to typeset their manuscripts, and there are convertors from TeX
to HTML (see e.g. http://hutchinson.belmont.ma.us/tth/),
or one can create a Postscript or a PDF
file from TeX source quite easily, as well.
Was the poster trying to say that M$ is to blame
for lack of progress in maths, by not having
MathML in IE ?
Give us a break...
Dmitrii, NL
-- no, I didn't hack in M$, it was some other Dimitri...
There is no clear border between intellectual property and information. Protecting intellectual property and freedom of information at the same time is quite self-contradicting activity.
Freedom of information is not bullshit - it's quite necessary to keep the Big Brother at bay. FYI, in Soviet Union photocopiers were generally not available to general public; most of "samizdat" was happening on a typewriter with carbon paper.
Now you're playing into hands of another Big Brother, it seems.
"Let's protect, at whatever cost, the X", seems to be a rotten formula, for X being "intellectual property" or "communist ideals"...
The only difference is in the kind of elite the formula is protecting.
>Second, books have this thing called copyright,
BTW, you are allowed to copy parts of the book for
the purpose of private study, etc etc.
>copying regular old books isn't as big a deal.
Huh? Did you ever heard about scanners, leave alone character recognition software? Technically, one can scan a book of few hundred pages in half a day and put it on Internet in (mostly) text form, quick to download etc...
>If there's no intellectual property, all creative/scientific works have to be done for the fun of it by hobbyists.
In many areas (say, mathematics) most of scientific research is done by university teaching staff, i.e. the people doing it mostly for fun. And it works, somehow.
IMHO, far more important than the intellectual property and information per se are the skills to use them. Yes, you are right that the business model of selling support for free software still has to prove itself. However, essentially the same model of a private school/university has already been proven to be working well.
Dim.
soon after that announcement,
:-))
stocks on Moscow Stock Exchange went
about 20% up and the trading was halted
(due to the Exchange trading rules)
See http://www.polit.ru/documents/159424.html
(in russian, sorry
oh sure, you can have a chance to get in office
guys bought by bg...
so your big brother will be watching you.
The 1st $4000 ($8000 or more, depending on the
:-)
number of kids if you got a family) would be untaxed, then up to about $20000 that's taxed
at approx. 30%.
And this is not income tax, it's so called
social insurance premium.
At this level one is considered a low-income person still, who has right to get a subsidised
housing and pays very low medical insurance
premium (about $30 per month).
With higher income, things get worse
From the top $5000 of $35000 yearly income
it's already 50 (or 60)% income tax.
After that,
>Umm...okay, Europe doesn't have concentration >camps but are citizens of most
:-)
:-)
:-)
:-)
:-)
> European countries allowed to:
Does really US mass media condition
the population to think that most of the
following is no-no in Europe? Oh dear...
* buy beef from the US?
with all the tasty growth hormones?
as the health care is subsidised here,
at least for low-income people,I
don't see any harm in having some regulations
that make sure that the population doesn't
damage their health on a massive scale...
* soon, buy genetically modified food?
I guess so - not that I care much...
* go to whatever doctor they please?
sure, no problem. (you might have some hard
time convincing your GP that you really need to
go to a particular specialist, but if he refuses
to give the referral, you'd try another GP...)
* keep a majority of what they earn?
where on Earth is this possible?
money has to be spent, anyway.
I'm happily giving a considerable part of the money I earn
to the govt so that it can build things, etc etc
* own a gun?
that's dangerous in general - people'd start
shooting each other on the scale it's done
in US. I'd get very scared if I knew that
most of my neighbours have a gun. It's
nice to have a gun in an environment that is
saturated with them, yes. But if most of the
guns are police guns, I'd very much like to keep
it this way. (and not only me)
* ride on a non-car transportation >system (i.e. train, bus) that isn't owned or >regulated to practical ownership by the gov't?
not sure about train, but a bus, yes, why not?
in UK they privatised their trains, with truly
disastorous consequences (as was seen on TV last
week)
The rail tracks would have only one owner,
anyway; I'd rather prefer the owner to be
the govt than a bunch of filthy rich bastards
I have no power to control at all.
* many other things...
* take a medicine whether or not the >gov't health agency says they can?
Sure, you'd take anything you can find, who cares?
You'd walk in a coffeeshop and buy a proven, although not approved, medicine
It's de facto legal.
You'd go to a "magic mashroom" shop to buy
some dodgier stuff - as long it's not
explicitly banned, like LSD
On the ulimate side, if you'd
get terminally ill and be dying slow and painful
death, you'd go to your GP to arrange for
a fast end to the things, no problem
Greetings from Rotterdam.