The regulators didn't get involved until after AT&T had established their monopoly. Unless you're counting their patents as regulations as that was what allowed the monopoly. Patents on telegraphy, then phones, then the real winner, vacuum tubes along with aggressive growth and refusing to inter-operate when anyone attempted to compete. When an entity has most of a type of infrastructure locked up it is very hard to compete.
NT started out as a complete rewrite of OS/2. The first version to boot was OS/2 v3 NT, no relation to Warp which was v2.3 internally as MS got the higher version numbers in the divorce.
It's all personal preference and any decent operating system allows you to assign the buttons any way you like. On OS/2 you just opened the mouse properties and set it up how you wanted if you didn't like the out of the box settings. One day other operating systems may become customizable as well.
SMP was introduced with Warp Server v2.1. While you could run it on the desktop it was a bitch to setup, having to raid files from fixpacks and make sure you were running SMP safe versions of a few DLLs. Now OS/2 in the form of eCommStation supports SMP out of the box. IBM clarified that the license is per CPU, not core so it is legal and it runs very well on my core2duo with 1 GB of ram though I still hit swap occasionally. Firefox is a memory pig. OS/2 SMP only supports 64 cores as that seemed enough in '92
NT started out as a rewrite of OS/2, then Cutler joined Microsoft and Microsoft quietly decided to focus on Win32. You could buy the (16bit) Presentation Manager kit for NT up to Win2k and I have a Byte magazine with a little news blurb about how Microsoft had succeeded in running the 32 bit Presentation Manager on NT, at least in the lab They were ready if OS/2 won the OS war.
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Yes, it is still broken though, R:\tmp>test.cmd CERTAINLY
5 +++ Do While ( obvious_joke ); REX0034: Error 34 running R:\tmp\test.cmd, line 5: Logical value not 0 or 1
BootManager was a good example of the difference in attitude between Microsoft and IBM. Win95 and 98 at least would install, turn off BootManager then after installing announce that your OS/2 install is gone even though it was easy to use fdisk to make the BootManager partition active again. OS/2 if installed anywhere besides C: would install BootManager and add your other operating systems to it leaving you with multi-boot capacity. BTW, BootManager was updated to boot anything within the first 512 GBs.
While OS/2 did start out as very expensive, especially with what Microsoft charged for the Win 3.x license the price did drop, Warp v3 redbox (you had to supply your own Win3.1) sold for $50 here in Canada. I got a copy of 2.11 from a magazine ad for the price of shipping about the same time as well.
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First line needs to be a comment so cmd.exe knows to pass it off to the REXX interpreter.
Core2duo, E6300 using both cores. ASUS P5PE-VM motherboard (ICH5). Radon 9000 video card. Using the builtin sound and Marvel Yukon 88E8001 network adapter. 512 GB SATA drive. Only a GB of Ram. I have a newer MB but need to find an older PCI-x video card for it or be forced into running without any hardware acceleration.
No, I meant 512 GBs, actually safer to be a bit smaller. 2 TB partitions have to use non-standard layout. Also have to use JFS for a file system as the old HPFS only supported 64 GB partitons. While you might be right about all interrupts being on CPU 0, everyone including IBM calls it SMP.
Yes. Even IBM wrote the first USB drivers and they're now being supported based on the old device driver DDK examples. Only USB 2 support currently. I have a USB mouse and printer as well as flash drives. Flash drives that are bigger then 2 GBs have to be partitioned by the OS/2 LVM. Printer support for newer printers is through CUPS and works with most printers that work under Linux. SATA-2 support is fine though to have partitions larger then 512 GBs means using a non-standard layout, partitions won't be recognized by other operating systems and the boot partition has to be in the first 1/2 TB. I think the limit is 2 TB. The AHCI support isn't the best but does work with Intel chipsets. Sound is supported through an Alsa port and supports most sound chips. Video is the weakest with only ATI supported and then in VESA mode. There are older PCI-x video cards with drivers. There are MPlayer, FFmpeg and VLC ports for video as well as Flash 11. Newest Firefox is only v10esr. Wireless support is close to zero but being worked on. See http://ecomstation.com/ for the newest OS/2, rebadged OEM version but sales are tripling every year, mostly for businesses who need to install on new hardware.
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With Warp server. OS/2 did start to support high memory, first 2 GBs then 3+GBs and with FixPak #13 for V4 they combined the desktop and server kernels and updated V4 to V4.5 which gave high memory support on the desktop. While they never finished porting the API to be high memory friendly they did a good enough job that things like Firefox, that ran like shit with a 512 MB address space, more like 350 MBs after loading shared DLLs, run quite well. And OS/2 has Odin, sorta Wine for OS/2, which allows some Win32 programs to run and is now being used to compile some Windows programs against. This is how Java 6 and Flash 11 work under OS/2 now. (actually we use the native Flash binary with a wrapper)
Interestingly, VirtualBox was originally written by Innotek to run OS/2. They had already ported and fixed Connectix (sp?) VirtualPC to be OS/2 friendly and run on OS/2 before Microsoft bought it so they had experience and as most virtual machines have a hard time running OS/2 due to it using ring 2 they wrote VB. VirtualBox ended up being the killer OS/2 application but it was backwards, ran OS/2 instead of running under OS/2. Virtualization is also what IBM recommends for running OS/2 now and even though you can install it on modern hardware it won't take advantage of everything. One programmer reported 3 times faster compile times running under VirtualBox on Linux compared to running on his brand new bare metal.
While some of rules make perfect sense for the time and place, others don't like don't rotate your crops. The writers may have been relatively wise for the time but they sure weren't all knowing.
Why would it need PS/2 ports when it supports USB? IDE when it supports SATA though often only SATA 2 and there are still network cards including builtin ones that work fine.
GCC works better for 32 bit. Supports the OS/2 toolkit. With QT4 working very well on OS/2 there are quite a few apps that work fine. Most other open source libraries have also been ported as well. See http://svn.netlabs.org/rpm as an example.
As the sibling mentions, OS/2 still installs and runs on some modern hardware, only 32 bit though. Most programming is done with GCC with ver 4.4.6 being the newest. OpenWatcom being the other supported compiler and the choice for device drivers and such. I'm typing this on Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:10.0.4esrpre) Gecko/20120331 Firefox/10.0.4esrpre SeaMonkey/2.7 built with GCC 4.4.1 on a core2duo.
There's tons of old OS/2 boxes chugging along in a corner somewhere until the hardware finally breaks. OS/2 sales in the form of eComStation has been tripling each year lately due to places like your work needing to install OS/2 on modern hardware. http://ecomstation.com/ And it will still install and run on modern hardware though you have to choose carefully. No accelerated video and only ATI supported. Barely any wireless support and only a few network cards supported. Sound based on Alsa so most sound cards including built in supported. 512 GB partitions if you want them compatible with other operating systems, otherwise the ancient architecture is limited to 2 TB. Best to stick to Intel hardware, especially if you want to take advantage of all cores. OS/2 is licensed per CPU, not core so it does do SMP. Only 64 cores supported though.
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Microsoft used to update win32s every week it seemed then IBM would fix OS/2 to run them. Finally with Win32s v1.30 Microsoft hardcoded some DLLs to load in high memory and as OS/2 only supported 512 MBs per process, no more Win32s support without a lot of work.
A free market is when things are freely for sale. This includes laws, regulations and politicians. The free market rewards the most efficient players and what can be more efficient then buying laws to put your competition out of business. Being able to pay off politicians is often much cheaper then creating, building, and marketing a superior product and customer service is just a money sink hole.
The government is not going to shrink so much that they stop enforcing corporate laws. Here in Canada we have a bunch of conservative small government types in charge. They just got rid of the pesky fisheries regulations because it hurt business having to avoid polluting. They got rid of the pesky food labeling stuff as we can trust business to be honest, especially those Chinese and other 3rd world countries which they're also getting rid of those pesky regulations that was stopping free trade. Costs money to make sure there is no lead in our food you know and the market will take care of things. Meanwhile they passed a huge crime bill introducing minimum sentences for things like growing plants that interfere with business. Illegalizing breaking any type of digital lock on stuff that you bought. Expanding copyright in other ways. Expanding spying on citizens. And so on causing the government to have to build like a dozen prisons, expand the courts and police. They're also expanding the armed forces and eager to go to war while shrinking the department of veteran affairs. Costs money looking after those ex-soldiers coming home from Afghanistan you know, they can look after themselves and it was their own stupidity if they lost limbs. Basically small government is government for the corporation.
These passengers are flying to the US, regardless of their final destination. As such they will likely be in a plane full of US citizens, over US cities. I suspect that in all these cases the plane will land in the US before continuing to their destination. No, they've been doing the TSA thing on planes flying over US territory for a while. This is planes flying to places like Halifax, 150 miles from the States according to TFA, soon to come to all major Canadian airports. The shortest route from the UK to Canada, especially the west, is over the arctic. Basically this is America intruding on other countries sovereignty. As a duel Canadian and UK citizen they can stop me from traveling simply between the two. I don't think there are many ocean liners anymore and from experience I can say it can be a crappy way to spend a week.
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More accurate would be to say the Windows API is similar to the OS/2 API. Most people think that NT=Windows
The regulators didn't get involved until after AT&T had established their monopoly. Unless you're counting their patents as regulations as that was what allowed the monopoly. Patents on telegraphy, then phones, then the real winner, vacuum tubes along with aggressive growth and refusing to inter-operate when anyone attempted to compete.
When an entity has most of a type of infrastructure locked up it is very hard to compete.
NT started out as a complete rewrite of OS/2. The first version to boot was OS/2 v3 NT, no relation to Warp which was v2.3 internally as MS got the higher version numbers in the divorce.
It's all personal preference and any decent operating system allows you to assign the buttons any way you like. On OS/2 you just opened the mouse properties and set it up how you wanted if you didn't like the out of the box settings. One day other operating systems may become customizable as well.
SMP was introduced with Warp Server v2.1. While you could run it on the desktop it was a bitch to setup, having to raid files from fixpacks and make sure you were running SMP safe versions of a few DLLs.
Now OS/2 in the form of eCommStation supports SMP out of the box. IBM clarified that the license is per CPU, not core so it is legal and it runs very well on my core2duo with 1 GB of ram though I still hit swap occasionally. Firefox is a memory pig.
OS/2 SMP only supports 64 cores as that seemed enough in '92
NT started out as a rewrite of OS/2, then Cutler joined Microsoft and Microsoft quietly decided to focus on Win32.
You could buy the (16bit) Presentation Manager kit for NT up to Win2k and I have a Byte magazine with a little news blurb about how Microsoft had succeeded in running the 32 bit Presentation Manager on NT, at least in the lab They were ready if OS/2 won the OS war.
Yes, it is still broken though,
R:\tmp>test.cmd
CERTAINLY
5 +++ Do While ( obvious_joke );
REX0034: Error 34 running R:\tmp\test.cmd, line 5: Logical value not 0 or 1
BootManager was a good example of the difference in attitude between Microsoft and IBM. Win95 and 98 at least would install, turn off BootManager then after installing announce that your OS/2 install is gone even though it was easy to use fdisk to make the BootManager partition active again.
OS/2 if installed anywhere besides C: would install BootManager and add your other operating systems to it leaving you with multi-boot capacity.
BTW, BootManager was updated to boot anything within the first 512 GBs.
While OS/2 did start out as very expensive, especially with what Microsoft charged for the Win 3.x license the price did drop, Warp v3 redbox (you had to supply your own Win3.1) sold for $50 here in Canada. I got a copy of 2.11 from a magazine ad for the price of shipping about the same time as well.
First line needs to be a comment so cmd.exe knows to pass it off to the REXX interpreter.
Core2duo, E6300 using both cores. ASUS P5PE-VM motherboard (ICH5). Radon 9000 video card. Using the builtin sound and Marvel Yukon 88E8001 network adapter. 512 GB SATA drive. Only a GB of Ram.
I have a newer MB but need to find an older PCI-x video card for it or be forced into running without any hardware acceleration.
No, I meant 512 GBs, actually safer to be a bit smaller. 2 TB partitions have to use non-standard layout. Also have to use JFS for a file system as the old HPFS only supported 64 GB partitons.
While you might be right about all interrupts being on CPU 0, everyone including IBM calls it SMP.
Yes. Even IBM wrote the first USB drivers and they're now being supported based on the old device driver DDK examples. Only USB 2 support currently.
I have a USB mouse and printer as well as flash drives. Flash drives that are bigger then 2 GBs have to be partitioned by the OS/2 LVM. Printer support for newer printers is through CUPS and works with most printers that work under Linux.
SATA-2 support is fine though to have partitions larger then 512 GBs means using a non-standard layout, partitions won't be recognized by other operating systems and the boot partition has to be in the first 1/2 TB. I think the limit is 2 TB. The AHCI support isn't the best but does work with Intel chipsets.
Sound is supported through an Alsa port and supports most sound chips. Video is the weakest with only ATI supported and then in VESA mode. There are older PCI-x video cards with drivers.
There are MPlayer, FFmpeg and VLC ports for video as well as Flash 11. Newest Firefox is only v10esr.
Wireless support is close to zero but being worked on.
See http://ecomstation.com/ for the newest OS/2, rebadged OEM version but sales are tripling every year, mostly for businesses who need to install on new hardware.
With Warp server. OS/2 did start to support high memory, first 2 GBs then 3+GBs and with FixPak #13 for V4 they combined the desktop and server kernels and updated V4 to V4.5 which gave high memory support on the desktop.
While they never finished porting the API to be high memory friendly they did a good enough job that things like Firefox, that ran like shit with a 512 MB address space, more like 350 MBs after loading shared DLLs, run quite well. And OS/2 has Odin, sorta Wine for OS/2, which allows some Win32 programs to run and is now being used to compile some Windows programs against. This is how Java 6 and Flash 11 work under OS/2 now. (actually we use the native Flash binary with a wrapper)
Interestingly, VirtualBox was originally written by Innotek to run OS/2. They had already ported and fixed Connectix (sp?) VirtualPC to be OS/2 friendly and run on OS/2 before Microsoft bought it so they had experience and as most virtual machines have a hard time running OS/2 due to it using ring 2 they wrote VB. VirtualBox ended up being the killer OS/2 application but it was backwards, ran OS/2 instead of running under OS/2.
Virtualization is also what IBM recommends for running OS/2 now and even though you can install it on modern hardware it won't take advantage of everything. One programmer reported 3 times faster compile times running under VirtualBox on Linux compared to running on his brand new bare metal.
While some of rules make perfect sense for the time and place, others don't like don't rotate your crops. The writers may have been relatively wise for the time but they sure weren't all knowing.
So was I, and still am.
Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:10.0.4esrpre) Gecko/20120331 Firefox/10.0.4esrpre SeaMonkey/2.7
Why would it need PS/2 ports when it supports USB? IDE when it supports SATA though often only SATA 2 and there are still network cards including builtin ones that work fine.
GCC works better for 32 bit. Supports the OS/2 toolkit. With QT4 working very well on OS/2 there are quite a few apps that work fine. Most other open source libraries have also been ported as well. See http://svn.netlabs.org/rpm as an example.
As the sibling mentions, OS/2 still installs and runs on some modern hardware, only 32 bit though.
Most programming is done with GCC with ver 4.4.6 being the newest. OpenWatcom being the other supported compiler and the choice for device drivers and such.
I'm typing this on Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:10.0.4esrpre) Gecko/20120331 Firefox/10.0.4esrpre SeaMonkey/2.7 built with GCC 4.4.1 on a core2duo.
There's tons of old OS/2 boxes chugging along in a corner somewhere until the hardware finally breaks. OS/2 sales in the form of eComStation has been tripling each year lately due to places like your work needing to install OS/2 on modern hardware. http://ecomstation.com/
And it will still install and run on modern hardware though you have to choose carefully. No accelerated video and only ATI supported. Barely any wireless support and only a few network cards supported. Sound based on Alsa so most sound cards including built in supported. 512 GB partitions if you want them compatible with other operating systems, otherwise the ancient architecture is limited to 2 TB. Best to stick to Intel hardware, especially if you want to take advantage of all cores. OS/2 is licensed per CPU, not core so it does do SMP. Only 64 cores supported though.
Microsoft used to update win32s every week it seemed then IBM would fix OS/2 to run them. Finally with Win32s v1.30 Microsoft hardcoded some DLLs to load in high memory and as OS/2 only supported 512 MBs per process, no more Win32s support without a lot of work.
A free market is when things are freely for sale. This includes laws, regulations and politicians. The free market rewards the most efficient players and what can be more efficient then buying laws to put your competition out of business.
Being able to pay off politicians is often much cheaper then creating, building, and marketing a superior product and customer service is just a money sink hole.
The government is not going to shrink so much that they stop enforcing corporate laws. Here in Canada we have a bunch of conservative small government types in charge. They just got rid of the pesky fisheries regulations because it hurt business having to avoid polluting. They got rid of the pesky food labeling stuff as we can trust business to be honest, especially those Chinese and other 3rd world countries which they're also getting rid of those pesky regulations that was stopping free trade. Costs money to make sure there is no lead in our food you know and the market will take care of things.
Meanwhile they passed a huge crime bill introducing minimum sentences for things like growing plants that interfere with business. Illegalizing breaking any type of digital lock on stuff that you bought. Expanding copyright in other ways. Expanding spying on citizens. And so on causing the government to have to build like a dozen prisons, expand the courts and police.
They're also expanding the armed forces and eager to go to war while shrinking the department of veteran affairs. Costs money looking after those ex-soldiers coming home from Afghanistan you know, they can look after themselves and it was their own stupidity if they lost limbs.
Basically small government is government for the corporation.
These passengers are flying to the US, regardless of their final destination. As such they will likely be in a plane full of US citizens, over US cities. I suspect that in all these cases the plane will land in the US before continuing to their destination.
No, they've been doing the TSA thing on planes flying over US territory for a while. This is planes flying to places like Halifax, 150 miles from the States according to TFA, soon to come to all major Canadian airports. The shortest route from the UK to Canada, especially the west, is over the arctic.
Basically this is America intruding on other countries sovereignty. As a duel Canadian and UK citizen they can stop me from traveling simply between the two. I don't think there are many ocean liners anymore and from experience I can say it can be a crappy way to spend a week.