You're mostly agreeing with me, at least in the case of the telephone, an essential service that has been subsidized to make it available to the vast majority of the population, with similar rates for everyone (here it varies depending on how large the calling area is, costs about 30% more 10 miles west but they can phone about 2 million more people toll free). Internet now isn't much different then the phone, bills, jobs, government services, requirement for school etc, all depend on the internet. While I agree that the speed is usually going to be better close to an urban center, the price for X speed should be consistent whether yo live downtown or in tiny community, it takes both for society to function with lots of jobs/resources dependent on those tiny communities. We build roads everywhere, we have electricity everywhere, we have phones everywhere, we have postal service everywhere and all those are priced the same. I can send a letter or parcel next door or to Inuvik for the same price. Inuvik will take a couple of days longer (think bandwidth). Today how is Internet different? I think too many people still think that internet is a luxury rather then a requirement to participate in society.. BTW, the cheapest phone, cellular, and internet in Canada is in Saskatchewan, which is the only province to still have a public phone company, even all the competition is much cheaper there. The problem with private is that there is always the overhead of needing to make a profit, often an ever increasing profit whereas a public utility only has to break even plus a minor profit to put into a contingency fund.
Utility is perhaps the wrong word. Here in Canada, it is considered an essential service, meaning that the private (and public where they exist) internet providers have to provide you internet for a reasonable price if you request it, often with government (Provincial and perhaps Federal as well) often subsidizing the buildout in rural areas. In my case, living about 40 miles from Vancouver, there is no cell coverage or cable and the phone lines seem to use rusty barbed wire, so only slow (26.4) dial-up. I was informed last year that my ISP was discontinuing dial-up service as of Nov 16th and suggested I switch to cellular (about $70 for 10 GBs + $150 for a modem). They quit charging me in the new year and froze my profile (big deal, I never touched it) but the dial-up is still working as they can't cut me off as long as I'm willing to pay. Once they finish building the new cell tower (subsidized by the Province so the smart metre will actually not require a meter reader anymore), I'll probably be forced to use it but until then, it's an essential service and they can't cut me off. Too much stuff depends on the internet now. Next year fiber is supposed to show up, once again subsidized by the Province and they'll have to sell it me for the same price as in town. It's like electricity and the phone, if you pay, they have to supply it if possible and for the same price. You might only be able to get 110 volt service but that is considered acceptable
Last release was in 2001, the 2nd convenience pack, OS/2 4.52 with the last fixpak released (actually leaked as it wasn't quite finished when support was ended) in 2005. OS/2 2.11SMP supported 64 cores though only tested on 32 cores. The DASD drivers have been updated over the years, including a complete open source replacement (Danis506.ADD) to support 2TB disk/partition (1TB if you want it to be compatible with other OSes) though the last IBM DASD driver supported 504MB disk/partition. A filter is being worked on to split 2TB+ drives into virtual 1-2 TB drives. The JFS file system, originally for AIX, was rewritten for OS/2 in the late '90's and also forked into the Linux GPL JFS. Unluckily, without a rewrite (or the PowerPC versions source), it'll never be 64bit due to still having some 16bit code.
That's the problem, MS embraces and extends and changes existing standards. Other examples include changing from Ctrl+Ins, Shift+Del and Shift+ins to the Apple standards for copy, cut and paste though the former do still work on Windows and even much of Linux's various desktops. USB is another one. IBM faithfully followed the standard when implementing USB support on OS/2 while everyone else used the MS version, which is of course basically undocumented. Took years to adjust the various USB drivers to correctly work with most hardware and large floppy support (no partitions on the USB stick) is still not quite right so usually have to partition any USB stick bigger then 2GBs to be usable from OS/2.
True that OS/2 only supports 64 cores and is generally only licensed for one physical CPU so only whatever number of cores is in one chip. Of course it supports SATA and AHCI, though maybe a modern computer needs legacy mode enabled in the BIOS, only supports 2TB disks/partitions as well. No software RAID. The ACPI support (needed for SMP) is under development and sleep and such can be hit and miss on modern hardware. Firefox is only currently at 38ESR so not quite the latest HTML5 and depends on FFmpeg for H264 video playing. Servers are limited to Apache and Samba v4 (not quite done as it has problems with older Windows like XP. Memory above 4GBs is only useable as a ramdisk as well. For a 25 year old OS, this beta of ArcaOS (OS/2 4.52+) that I'm posting from works pretty well. Biggest problem is that memory gets fragmented after a few days of running SeaMonkey and the latest OpenOffice and needs to be rebooted to load the large apps.
What part of OS/2's user interface isn't intuitive? Here's a sample screenshot for reference. It's very clear what's a window, what are buttons, what are menus, and what clicking on the various buttons or menu items will do. It's a clean, sensible UI. Anyone who could use Windows XP or Windows 7 would have no problem with OS/2.
Using the left mouse button to highlight and right mouse button to drag screws up many people. Luckily OS/2 is very configurable, including which mouse button does what.
Personally I often don't bother responding to AC's due to not knowing if they'll ever see my response. If I respond to Mashiki, he'll probably respond back or at least see my response. An AC, who knows whether they return to their comments to see if there are any responses. There's also the problem of differentiating AC's, am I having a conversation with one or a bunch.
They put all their eggs in the corrupt basket. Pretty common in countries with a lot of poor, promises of socialism by the corrupt to win support and then the corrupt are in power and siphon off all the wealth.
You're leaving out machine language, you could enter a bunch of hex digits in a monitor (similar to a bios, not a screen) or even by flipping switches and then run it. No interpretation or compilation needed. That same monitor could have a miniassembler with no labels, macros etc, just straight translation. This was how the original Apple II was set up. You're right that assemblers have acquired a lot of stuff that are usually in compilers which makes the distinction fuzzy but there are very simple assemblers.
Where do you get your fake news? The poor around here (Canada) have shopping carts to keep all their worldly possessions in. I doubt that they have phones as a phone is useless without a plan which are fucking expensive here. The working poor do have cars, which gives them somewhere to live because they sure as hell can't afford the rent if they were lucky enough to find somewhere to rent. The idea of them having cable without a TV...
I thought assembly was assembled, with the instructions corresponding directly to machine language. Feed x=2+2 through a compiler and you don't know what instructions would be executed. LDA #02 ADD #02 STA $02 would always assemble to the same machine code. The compiler can output code for a different architecture, the above 6502 assembly would need to be rewritten to run on a Z80. I'm not a programmer so maybe I misunderstand.
Funny enough my country has people showing up literally risking death and losing limbs to get out of your country. Been happening for about 240 years now, all people seeking freedom, some literally freedom from slavery.
Yet it is a solar powered accident if someone falls of a roof, likewise with wind. And when a flood control dam that also generated electricty fails, it's a hydro power failure. As for mining, the early uranium mining was quite deadly as there was no worries about the radioactivity nor the shit that was used to extract the uranium, as well as the fact that often it was only Navajo that were dieing, it wasn't a big deal . I understand things have improved, much like how coal has moved to open pit mining, which is also much safer. As I said, the big advantage is that little mining and construction needs to be done with nuclear relative to coal, but it is not 100% safe, nothing is, especially with the bean counters in charge.
If you could buy a brand new house around here for $500,000, you could make a million or 2 profit by selling it the next day. Houses have been going up by close to 20% a year here for quite a while.
Is there a rental shortage in Miami? I'll admit that I'm thinking of where I live, less then a 1% vacancy rate, shortage of good land, foreigners consider it a safe place to invest their money.
Are you really claiming that there has been no construction accidents while building nuclear plants? No accidents while mining uranium for nuclear plants? And not one of those cancer cases amongst former uranium miners was caused by the mining, whether radiation, exposure to the toxic crap they use to extract the uranium from the ore or simply heavy metal poisoning? Mining is dangerous, the good thing with nuclear is less mining, construction is dangerous, good thing with nuclear (I believe) is less construction with nuclear. But to claim zero deaths from nuclear is just being dishonest and once caught lying, it's easy to discount all other claims.
No arguing that unarmed drones have been a positive, but the comment I responded to specifically said "Weaponized drones have already been used to good effect and saved lives."
The problem is that builders want to make profits, the higher, the better. The highest profits are in buying the cheap rental buildings, ripping them down and building luxury homes that sell at a premium. They make their profit quick and can reinvest in buying up more cheap rental buildings and replacing them with more luxury housing. Why rent out an apartment, with all the overhead, for a lousy couple of thousand a month when you can call the apartment a condo and sell it outright for close to a million.
The problem is that the money, at least for real estate developers, is in building luxury housing. Why build rentals or housing aimed at the middle class when there are high profits to be made building and selling mcmansions.
Yes, the drag'n'drop defaulted to hiliting with the left button and dragging with the right button, both could be changed from their defaults unlike any other system I've used. Generally the WPS was very customizable. The network stack has been secure for close to 2 decades, ported from AIX, it was pretty secure and IBM fixed the couple of issues like being able to syn flood it. As for the rest of the network applications, they're like on most platforms, use the latest Samba, Apache, Firefox (which is falling behind thanks to Mozilla's weirdness) or use straight netbeui, which is insecure but not routable. Using the native peer over tcpip would be stupid as it is very unsecure (authorization). Other reasons to use ArcaOS, ACPI.PSD allows using modern hardware IRQ routing as well as SMP to take advantage of multiple cores (OS/2 is licensed per physical CPU, not cores). AHCI support to access later SATA hardware, JFS file system to get around HPFS's 64 GB partition and 2 GB file support. Along with the rest of the DASD stack to allow using up to 2TB disks/partitions (2TBs is about how big you can get using CHS addressing), USB support, A VESA video driver that works fine on modern hardware for non-accelerated 2D graphics and I'm sure other stuff that makes it close to impossible to install on modern hardware such as up to date network drivers (little wireless support yet) and bonuses like being able to use memory above 4GBs (actually more like 3.5GB) for a ram disk
Have you any citations for drones saving lives? All the stories I hear involve extra judiciary killings which usually average 50 innocents killed per suspect.
Arca Noae is mostly aimed at industries with legacy OS/2 systems that need updated. There is still a surprising amount of enterprise OS/2 systems chugging away in some backroom or running post offices, railroads and such. Hardware fails and software needs migrating and often it is cheaper to not port the software to a different system. As for rewriting the WPS, there's been lots of talk and a few failed attempts. Unluckily it is a big project beyond a couple of programmers working in their spare time. As stated above, what money is to made is in supporting industry, not rewriting.
I never noticed it being slower on my 386/33, at least as long as it wasn't swapping. With only 4MBs, I didn't run the WPS. Even DOOM and such gave about the same FPS though IIRC the speed wasn't as consistent, eg instead of smoothly doing (numbers pulled out of my ass as I forget the actual numbers) 100 fps, it would occasionally drop to 80.
You get the WorkPlace Shell, still considered one of the better graphical shells though the 2D graphics show its age. DOS (and Win3.1) programs run in Ring 2 which mostly gives them full access to the hardware, handy for some industrial controllers etc. The killer OS/2 program that most of us run ended up being backwards, VirtualBox, designed to run OS/2 instead of run on OS/2, which due to using ring 2 as well as ring 0+3 was hard to virtualize.
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You're mostly agreeing with me, at least in the case of the telephone, an essential service that has been subsidized to make it available to the vast majority of the population, with similar rates for everyone (here it varies depending on how large the calling area is, costs about 30% more 10 miles west but they can phone about 2 million more people toll free).
Internet now isn't much different then the phone, bills, jobs, government services, requirement for school etc, all depend on the internet. While I agree that the speed is usually going to be better close to an urban center, the price for X speed should be consistent whether yo live downtown or in tiny community, it takes both for society to function with lots of jobs/resources dependent on those tiny communities.
We build roads everywhere, we have electricity everywhere, we have phones everywhere, we have postal service everywhere and all those are priced the same. I can send a letter or parcel next door or to Inuvik for the same price. Inuvik will take a couple of days longer (think bandwidth). Today how is Internet different? I think too many people still think that internet is a luxury rather then a requirement to participate in society..
BTW, the cheapest phone, cellular, and internet in Canada is in Saskatchewan, which is the only province to still have a public phone company, even all the competition is much cheaper there. The problem with private is that there is always the overhead of needing to make a profit, often an ever increasing profit whereas a public utility only has to break even plus a minor profit to put into a contingency fund.
Utility is perhaps the wrong word. Here in Canada, it is considered an essential service, meaning that the private (and public where they exist) internet providers have to provide you internet for a reasonable price if you request it, often with government (Provincial and perhaps Federal as well) often subsidizing the buildout in rural areas.
In my case, living about 40 miles from Vancouver, there is no cell coverage or cable and the phone lines seem to use rusty barbed wire, so only slow (26.4) dial-up. I was informed last year that my ISP was discontinuing dial-up service as of Nov 16th and suggested I switch to cellular (about $70 for 10 GBs + $150 for a modem). They quit charging me in the new year and froze my profile (big deal, I never touched it) but the dial-up is still working as they can't cut me off as long as I'm willing to pay. Once they finish building the new cell tower (subsidized by the Province so the smart metre will actually not require a meter reader anymore), I'll probably be forced to use it but until then, it's an essential service and they can't cut me off. Too much stuff depends on the internet now. Next year fiber is supposed to show up, once again subsidized by the Province and they'll have to sell it me for the same price as in town.
It's like electricity and the phone, if you pay, they have to supply it if possible and for the same price. You might only be able to get 110 volt service but that is considered acceptable
Last release was in 2001, the 2nd convenience pack, OS/2 4.52 with the last fixpak released (actually leaked as it wasn't quite finished when support was ended) in 2005. OS/2 2.11SMP supported 64 cores though only tested on 32 cores. The DASD drivers have been updated over the years, including a complete open source replacement (Danis506.ADD) to support 2TB disk/partition (1TB if you want it to be compatible with other OSes) though the last IBM DASD driver supported 504MB disk/partition. A filter is being worked on to split 2TB+ drives into virtual 1-2 TB drives. The JFS file system, originally for AIX, was rewritten for OS/2 in the late '90's and also forked into the Linux GPL JFS.
Unluckily, without a rewrite (or the PowerPC versions source), it'll never be 64bit due to still having some 16bit code.
That's the problem, MS embraces and extends and changes existing standards. Other examples include changing from Ctrl+Ins, Shift+Del and Shift+ins to the Apple standards for copy, cut and paste though the former do still work on Windows and even much of Linux's various desktops.
USB is another one. IBM faithfully followed the standard when implementing USB support on OS/2 while everyone else used the MS version, which is of course basically undocumented. Took years to adjust the various USB drivers to correctly work with most hardware and large floppy support (no partitions on the USB stick) is still not quite right so usually have to partition any USB stick bigger then 2GBs to be usable from OS/2.
True that OS/2 only supports 64 cores and is generally only licensed for one physical CPU so only whatever number of cores is in one chip. Of course it supports SATA and AHCI, though maybe a modern computer needs legacy mode enabled in the BIOS, only supports 2TB disks/partitions as well. No software RAID. The ACPI support (needed for SMP) is under development and sleep and such can be hit and miss on modern hardware. Firefox is only currently at 38ESR so not quite the latest HTML5 and depends on FFmpeg for H264 video playing. Servers are limited to Apache and Samba v4 (not quite done as it has problems with older Windows like XP. Memory above 4GBs is only useable as a ramdisk as well.
For a 25 year old OS, this beta of ArcaOS (OS/2 4.52+) that I'm posting from works pretty well. Biggest problem is that memory gets fragmented after a few days of running SeaMonkey and the latest OpenOffice and needs to be rebooted to load the large apps.
What part of OS/2's user interface isn't intuitive? Here's a sample screenshot for reference. It's very clear what's a window, what are buttons, what are menus, and what clicking on the various buttons or menu items will do. It's a clean, sensible UI. Anyone who could use Windows XP or Windows 7 would have no problem with OS/2.
Using the left mouse button to highlight and right mouse button to drag screws up many people. Luckily OS/2 is very configurable, including which mouse button does what.
Personally I often don't bother responding to AC's due to not knowing if they'll ever see my response. If I respond to Mashiki, he'll probably respond back or at least see my response. An AC, who knows whether they return to their comments to see if there are any responses.
There's also the problem of differentiating AC's, am I having a conversation with one or a bunch.
They put all their eggs in the corrupt basket. Pretty common in countries with a lot of poor, promises of socialism by the corrupt to win support and then the corrupt are in power and siphon off all the wealth.
You do have to admit that it is working pretty well for the Republicans and especially for Trump.
You're leaving out machine language, you could enter a bunch of hex digits in a monitor (similar to a bios, not a screen) or even by flipping switches and then run it. No interpretation or compilation needed. That same monitor could have a miniassembler with no labels, macros etc, just straight translation. This was how the original Apple II was set up.
You're right that assemblers have acquired a lot of stuff that are usually in compilers which makes the distinction fuzzy but there are very simple assemblers.
Where do you get your fake news? The poor around here (Canada) have shopping carts to keep all their worldly possessions in. I doubt that they have phones as a phone is useless without a plan which are fucking expensive here. The working poor do have cars, which gives them somewhere to live because they sure as hell can't afford the rent if they were lucky enough to find somewhere to rent. The idea of them having cable without a TV...
I thought assembly was assembled, with the instructions corresponding directly to machine language. Feed x=2+2 through a compiler and you don't know what instructions would be executed. LDA #02 ADD #02 STA $02 would always assemble to the same machine code. The compiler can output code for a different architecture, the above 6502 assembly would need to be rewritten to run on a Z80.
I'm not a programmer so maybe I misunderstand.
Funny enough my country has people showing up literally risking death and losing limbs to get out of your country. Been happening for about 240 years now, all people seeking freedom, some literally freedom from slavery.
Yet it is a solar powered accident if someone falls of a roof, likewise with wind. And when a flood control dam that also generated electricty fails, it's a hydro power failure.
As for mining, the early uranium mining was quite deadly as there was no worries about the radioactivity nor the shit that was used to extract the uranium, as well as the fact that often it was only Navajo that were dieing, it wasn't a big deal . I understand things have improved, much like how coal has moved to open pit mining, which is also much safer.
As I said, the big advantage is that little mining and construction needs to be done with nuclear relative to coal, but it is not 100% safe, nothing is, especially with the bean counters in charge.
If you could buy a brand new house around here for $500,000, you could make a million or 2 profit by selling it the next day. Houses have been going up by close to 20% a year here for quite a while.
Is there a rental shortage in Miami? I'll admit that I'm thinking of where I live, less then a 1% vacancy rate, shortage of good land, foreigners consider it a safe place to invest their money.
Are you really claiming that there has been no construction accidents while building nuclear plants? No accidents while mining uranium for nuclear plants? And not one of those cancer cases amongst former uranium miners was caused by the mining, whether radiation, exposure to the toxic crap they use to extract the uranium from the ore or simply heavy metal poisoning?
Mining is dangerous, the good thing with nuclear is less mining, construction is dangerous, good thing with nuclear (I believe) is less construction with nuclear.
But to claim zero deaths from nuclear is just being dishonest and once caught lying, it's easy to discount all other claims.
No arguing that unarmed drones have been a positive, but the comment I responded to specifically said "Weaponized drones have already been used to good effect and saved lives."
The problem is that builders want to make profits, the higher, the better. The highest profits are in buying the cheap rental buildings, ripping them down and building luxury homes that sell at a premium. They make their profit quick and can reinvest in buying up more cheap rental buildings and replacing them with more luxury housing.
Why rent out an apartment, with all the overhead, for a lousy couple of thousand a month when you can call the apartment a condo and sell it outright for close to a million.
The problem is that the money, at least for real estate developers, is in building luxury housing. Why build rentals or housing aimed at the middle class when there are high profits to be made building and selling mcmansions.
Yes, the drag'n'drop defaulted to hiliting with the left button and dragging with the right button, both could be changed from their defaults unlike any other system I've used. Generally the WPS was very customizable.
The network stack has been secure for close to 2 decades, ported from AIX, it was pretty secure and IBM fixed the couple of issues like being able to syn flood it. As for the rest of the network applications, they're like on most platforms, use the latest Samba, Apache, Firefox (which is falling behind thanks to Mozilla's weirdness) or use straight netbeui, which is insecure but not routable. Using the native peer over tcpip would be stupid as it is very unsecure (authorization).
Other reasons to use ArcaOS, ACPI.PSD allows using modern hardware IRQ routing as well as SMP to take advantage of multiple cores (OS/2 is licensed per physical CPU, not cores). AHCI support to access later SATA hardware, JFS file system to get around HPFS's 64 GB partition and 2 GB file support. Along with the rest of the DASD stack to allow using up to 2TB disks/partitions (2TBs is about how big you can get using CHS addressing), USB support, A VESA video driver that works fine on modern hardware for non-accelerated 2D graphics and I'm sure other stuff that makes it close to impossible to install on modern hardware such as up to date network drivers (little wireless support yet) and bonuses like being able to use memory above 4GBs (actually more like 3.5GB) for a ram disk
Have you any citations for drones saving lives? All the stories I hear involve extra judiciary killings which usually average 50 innocents killed per suspect.
Arca Noae is mostly aimed at industries with legacy OS/2 systems that need updated. There is still a surprising amount of enterprise OS/2 systems chugging away in some backroom or running post offices, railroads and such. Hardware fails and software needs migrating and often it is cheaper to not port the software to a different system.
As for rewriting the WPS, there's been lots of talk and a few failed attempts. Unluckily it is a big project beyond a couple of programmers working in their spare time. As stated above, what money is to made is in supporting industry, not rewriting.
I never noticed it being slower on my 386/33, at least as long as it wasn't swapping. With only 4MBs, I didn't run the WPS. Even DOOM and such gave about the same FPS though IIRC the speed wasn't as consistent, eg instead of smoothly doing (numbers pulled out of my ass as I forget the actual numbers) 100 fps, it would occasionally drop to 80.
You get the WorkPlace Shell, still considered one of the better graphical shells though the 2D graphics show its age. DOS (and Win3.1) programs run in Ring 2 which mostly gives them full access to the hardware, handy for some industrial controllers etc.
The killer OS/2 program that most of us run ended up being backwards, VirtualBox, designed to run OS/2 instead of run on OS/2, which due to using ring 2 as well as ring 0+3 was hard to virtualize.