The best propaganda comes from somewhere other then the government. Consider the USA with its independent press (all owned by a select few). See sig for other ways that the USA has inverted the normal totalitarianism.
So you're saying that to avoid checks means getting a cell phone, paying for data, going somewhere where there's cell phone reception is more advanced then just handing someone a piece of paper. I don't want to spend a $100+ on a phone then another $50+ a month just so I can transfer some money to someone. I mostly use checks for my sons school, it's easy, just give it to him to take to school, happens perhaps 3 times a year.. Doesn't matter that we have no cell coverage at home, don't have to wait half an hour for the banks page to load over the dial-up connection, only to discover it's down again (looks up until you try to do a transaction)
Around here (BC) the private alcohol sellers along with the government alcohol sellers union are really pushing for it, along with them being the legal place to buy. Their theory being they have practice selling stuff to adults only.
Think beer and wine. The average person is allowed to produce X amount for personal use. They are not allowed to sell it but no-one cares if you give a few bottles away or even do a friendly trade for labour, as in help me do this and there's a beer in it for you. The industries also have a relatively low barrier to entry. There's tons of craft beer producers now and wineries likewise. Sure there's regulation but as long as it is low and applies to everyone equally, that's fine.
Well perhaps with decriminalization/legalization we can get some scientific studies. Currently it is very hard for researchers to study the medical effects of marijuana due to the laws
That's so true. When slavery is legal, it would be immoral to help slaves escape. When the law insists on segregation, it would be immoral for a black person to sit at the front of the bus. When the law says Roma must report to the gas chambers, it would be immoral to not report or to help someone not report. So many immoral people.
My phone company (Telus) updated the switch down the road. Now when the power goes out we get 8 hours before the phone dies due to it having one battery. This in a place that is low on the list for electricity getting restored, often 3 days and no other options such as cell phone coverage.
No copper thieves where you are I guess. Here it seems to be monthly and the phone company (Telus) is as slow as shit. Last time it was over 8 hours before they started working on it, this for an area with no cell coverage or cable coverage so no emergency service. Yay for privatization and deregulation.
Even better is that it would stop Americans from coming up here, pretending to be Canadian to get medical coverage (as simple as using someones CARE card in BC and without one you pay the same as the government) so we could actually afford to treat taxpayers.
How long are thumb drives readable? Google doesn't seem to have a firm answer, at least for a thumb drive just sitting there. http://www.tomshardware.com/fo... does point out that the memory is based on static charges that probably will leak away in as little as 10 years which wiki also agrees with.
More important is advanced sciences and manufacturing techniques.
Actually it might be less advanced sciences and manufacturing techniques. Assuming a disaster of some type, it'll be the common knowledge of a couple of centuries back. How to blacksmith, how to make gunpowder, how to build and operate a sailing vessel, many farming techniques are some examples. Things that aren't commonly known but would be handy if civilization falls for a while.
The Harper government that wanted to invoke hate speech for talking about boycotting Israel? The Harper government that passed laws to log every ones internet access, which of course chills speech. The Harper government that wouldn't let public servants talk to the taxpayers who pay their salary? The Harper government that invoked Crown Copyright to keep tax payer paid research away from the taxpayers because he didn't like what it said? The Harper government that spent $1 billion to repress speech at the G8 summit? I guess letting the KKK burn a cross in front of a black occupied home is more important, I mean the horror that they had to have their cross burning in front of an empty lot.
Communications is instantaneous around the world. In the 1950's if you were lucky you could make a long distance phone call. Anything else was by post (days or months).
Never heard of the telegraph? It has been argued that the telegraph made more of a difference then the internet as it allowed close to instant communication for the first time in history. By the 1950's it was mature technology that combined with phones made same day communication normal though not cheap.
Travel is cheap, plentiful and you can go almost anywhere in the world within 24 hour. In the 50's cars were just becoming a household tool. Overseas travel was long and expensive (and by ship).
While travel has become faster and cheaper, the train was not that slow and was usually a pleasant experience and crossing the Atlantic was only a week and if traveling 3rd class, not that expensive or unpleasant.
Many of the other technologies haven't been game changers but incremental improvements. Paper and pen worked well for many things, Moon rockets were designed with slide rules and mechanical computers. Having a phone booth on almost every corner made fast communication common. Libraries were common and the Dewey decimal system allowed easy searching, in a broad sense.
I ran ProDOS 2.x on my Apple II, it helped that it had a Transwarp card which had a 65C02 and 256 KBs of memory laid out the same as a//E. I probably had to patch ProDOS as well.
out side of the us jobs don't control your health insurance
That's not true. In Canada as an example, your job can include insurance for dental work, glasses, and so on. Basically stuff that isn't covered by the universal healthcare or where the healthcare only covers the minimum.
Yes, the stay at home house wife thing probably peaked in the 1950's though it started before the war and of course the war demanded much more labour. Before she was often employed at home or out helping hustle up money, at least for the working classes.
Has any technology ever had any long term unemployment increasing effect throughout human history?
Sure, the 2nd phase of the industrial revolution. We used to have close to 100% of the population working. Most entered the labour force at about 5 years old and worked till death. The workweek was also close to twice as long as well. Whole groups of the population has been removed from the labour pool. The young, the old, the disabled, with all groups expanding. What percentage of the total population is currently employed full time?
Well we can't ship them to the colonies to farm newly stolen land any more. It's considered immoral to hang people for stealing a loaf of bread. I guess the prisons could be expanded again but they need to make money so that means more cheap labour. What do you suggest we do with the people who are unemployable?
Read some history and look at what percentage of the population is now employed. In the time of the Luddites, it took 70 odd years for employment to come back. 3 generations of unemployment before the majority could get shitty sweatshop jobs. Since about the turn of the last century, automation has been pushing people out of the workplace. Whole groups invented that are unemployable, sometimes by law. Children, people used to go to work at about 5 years of age, then industry allowed child labour laws as there was no longer any work for them. Then society started public education to keep them of the streets and to socialize an educated workforce. The length of that education has been expanding ever since and the latter part is getting more expensive and even Starbucks likes you to have a degree. The stay at home housewife was another reaction to the over abundance of labour. Close to half the population taken out of the workforce for some generations. Retirement. The disabled, an ever expanding group, along with various others on the government roles. The idea that we have the same close to 100% employment as pre-Luddite is pure propaganda echoed by people who don't realize how little of the population is actually doing constructive work (things like banking, if too much, actually are detrimental to the economy) and how long it took the industrial revolution to reach peak labour and how long ago that peak was.
The 1st amendment is very simple. It does not say that you should have endless free speech, it just said that Congress can't pass any laws limiting speech. Nothing about a town passing a noise by-law (something that seems fine as long as it treats everyone the same). Nothing about the courts not being able to limit speech, at a time when many things were illegal even without statutes being passed. Serious threats, slander, libel, fraud, perjury were all illegal under the common law and didn't need Congress to pass a law to be illegal, just a Judge and maybe a jury to be convinced that they were harming someone. Here contempt is still a common law crime, say something a Judge doesn't like and go to jail and stay at the Judges pleasure. My country's constitution does say that freedom of expression is a fundamental right and companies and other private entities can get into trouble for denying speech but the courts don't like to trample on private entities unless there is measurable harm. Getting fired for something you said on your own free time might get overturned if it was said respectfully and was none of the companies business but Facebook would still be allowed to publish what they want.
Yes, Microsoft engaged in illegal anti-competitive behavior. And that's about the time their market share started to fall.
You think that their market share started to fall back in the early to mid '90's? That's when they really started the anti-competitive behaviour, with the OS wars against OS/2, the DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run and then the browser wars once MS realized that the Internet was real and people weren't going to sign up to MSN.
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The best propaganda comes from somewhere other then the government. Consider the USA with its independent press (all owned by a select few). See sig for other ways that the USA has inverted the normal totalitarianism.
So you're saying that to avoid checks means getting a cell phone, paying for data, going somewhere where there's cell phone reception is more advanced then just handing someone a piece of paper.
I don't want to spend a $100+ on a phone then another $50+ a month just so I can transfer some money to someone.
I mostly use checks for my sons school, it's easy, just give it to him to take to school, happens perhaps 3 times a year.. Doesn't matter that we have no cell coverage at home, don't have to wait half an hour for the banks page to load over the dial-up connection, only to discover it's down again (looks up until you try to do a transaction)
Are you suggesting having to go to the bank and do it in person is more advanced?
So if I want to give you money for some reason and don't have the cash on hand, there's no way to do it? And that's an advance?
Around here (BC) the private alcohol sellers along with the government alcohol sellers union are really pushing for it, along with them being the legal place to buy. Their theory being they have practice selling stuff to adults only.
Think beer and wine. The average person is allowed to produce X amount for personal use. They are not allowed to sell it but no-one cares if you give a few bottles away or even do a friendly trade for labour, as in help me do this and there's a beer in it for you.
The industries also have a relatively low barrier to entry. There's tons of craft beer producers now and wineries likewise. Sure there's regulation but as long as it is low and applies to everyone equally, that's fine.
Well perhaps with decriminalization/legalization we can get some scientific studies. Currently it is very hard for researchers to study the medical effects of marijuana due to the laws
Why do you assume that it is no-ones calling to be Rosa Parks?
That's so true. When slavery is legal, it would be immoral to help slaves escape. When the law insists on segregation, it would be immoral for a black person to sit at the front of the bus. When the law says Roma must report to the gas chambers, it would be immoral to not report or to help someone not report.
So many immoral people.
My phone company (Telus) updated the switch down the road. Now when the power goes out we get 8 hours before the phone dies due to it having one battery. This in a place that is low on the list for electricity getting restored, often 3 days and no other options such as cell phone coverage.
No copper thieves where you are I guess. Here it seems to be monthly and the phone company (Telus) is as slow as shit. Last time it was over 8 hours before they started working on it, this for an area with no cell coverage or cable coverage so no emergency service. Yay for privatization and deregulation.
Why would anyone (besides the doctor) be in charge of whether you can see a doctor? Or can Americans force doctors to see them?
Even better is that it would stop Americans from coming up here, pretending to be Canadian to get medical coverage (as simple as using someones CARE card in BC and without one you pay the same as the government) so we could actually afford to treat taxpayers.
How long are thumb drives readable? Google doesn't seem to have a firm answer, at least for a thumb drive just sitting there. http://www.tomshardware.com/fo... does point out that the memory is based on static charges that probably will leak away in as little as 10 years which wiki also agrees with.
More important is advanced sciences and manufacturing techniques.
Actually it might be less advanced sciences and manufacturing techniques. Assuming a disaster of some type, it'll be the common knowledge of a couple of centuries back. How to blacksmith, how to make gunpowder, how to build and operate a sailing vessel, many farming techniques are some examples.
Things that aren't commonly known but would be handy if civilization falls for a while.
The Harper government that wanted to invoke hate speech for talking about boycotting Israel? The Harper government that passed laws to log every ones internet access, which of course chills speech. The Harper government that wouldn't let public servants talk to the taxpayers who pay their salary? The Harper government that invoked Crown Copyright to keep tax payer paid research away from the taxpayers because he didn't like what it said? The Harper government that spent $1 billion to repress speech at the G8 summit?
I guess letting the KKK burn a cross in front of a black occupied home is more important, I mean the horror that they had to have their cross burning in front of an empty lot.
Communications is instantaneous around the world. In the 1950's if you were lucky you could make a long distance phone call. Anything else was by post (days or months).
Never heard of the telegraph? It has been argued that the telegraph made more of a difference then the internet as it allowed close to instant communication for the first time in history. By the 1950's it was mature technology that combined with phones made same day communication normal though not cheap.
Travel is cheap, plentiful and you can go almost anywhere in the world within 24 hour. In the 50's cars were just becoming a household tool. Overseas travel was long and expensive (and by ship).
While travel has become faster and cheaper, the train was not that slow and was usually a pleasant experience and crossing the Atlantic was only a week and if traveling 3rd class, not that expensive or unpleasant.
Many of the other technologies haven't been game changers but incremental improvements. Paper and pen worked well for many things, Moon rockets were designed with slide rules and mechanical computers. Having a phone booth on almost every corner made fast communication common. Libraries were common and the Dewey decimal system allowed easy searching, in a broad sense.
I ran ProDOS 2.x on my Apple II, it helped that it had a Transwarp card which had a 65C02 and 256 KBs of memory laid out the same as a //E. I probably had to patch ProDOS as well.
out side of the us jobs don't control your health insurance
That's not true. In Canada as an example, your job can include insurance for dental work, glasses, and so on. Basically stuff that isn't covered by the universal healthcare or where the healthcare only covers the minimum.
Yes, the stay at home house wife thing probably peaked in the 1950's though it started before the war and of course the war demanded much more labour.
Before she was often employed at home or out helping hustle up money, at least for the working classes.
Has any technology ever had any long term unemployment increasing effect throughout human history?
Sure, the 2nd phase of the industrial revolution. We used to have close to 100% of the population working. Most entered the labour force at about 5 years old and worked till death. The workweek was also close to twice as long as well.
Whole groups of the population has been removed from the labour pool. The young, the old, the disabled, with all groups expanding. What percentage of the total population is currently employed full time?
Well we can't ship them to the colonies to farm newly stolen land any more. It's considered immoral to hang people for stealing a loaf of bread. I guess the prisons could be expanded again but they need to make money so that means more cheap labour.
What do you suggest we do with the people who are unemployable?
Read some history and look at what percentage of the population is now employed.
In the time of the Luddites, it took 70 odd years for employment to come back. 3 generations of unemployment before the majority could get shitty sweatshop jobs.
Since about the turn of the last century, automation has been pushing people out of the workplace. Whole groups invented that are unemployable, sometimes by law.
Children, people used to go to work at about 5 years of age, then industry allowed child labour laws as there was no longer any work for them. Then society started public education to keep them of the streets and to socialize an educated workforce. The length of that education has been expanding ever since and the latter part is getting more expensive and even Starbucks likes you to have a degree.
The stay at home housewife was another reaction to the over abundance of labour. Close to half the population taken out of the workforce for some generations.
Retirement.
The disabled, an ever expanding group, along with various others on the government roles.
The idea that we have the same close to 100% employment as pre-Luddite is pure propaganda echoed by people who don't realize how little of the population is actually doing constructive work (things like banking, if too much, actually are detrimental to the economy) and how long it took the industrial revolution to reach peak labour and how long ago that peak was.
The 1st amendment is very simple. It does not say that you should have endless free speech, it just said that Congress can't pass any laws limiting speech. Nothing about a town passing a noise by-law (something that seems fine as long as it treats everyone the same). Nothing about the courts not being able to limit speech, at a time when many things were illegal even without statutes being passed. Serious threats, slander, libel, fraud, perjury were all illegal under the common law and didn't need Congress to pass a law to be illegal, just a Judge and maybe a jury to be convinced that they were harming someone. Here contempt is still a common law crime, say something a Judge doesn't like and go to jail and stay at the Judges pleasure.
My country's constitution does say that freedom of expression is a fundamental right and companies and other private entities can get into trouble for denying speech but the courts don't like to trample on private entities unless there is measurable harm. Getting fired for something you said on your own free time might get overturned if it was said respectfully and was none of the companies business but Facebook would still be allowed to publish what they want.
Yes, Microsoft engaged in illegal anti-competitive behavior. And that's about the time their market share started to fall.
You think that their market share started to fall back in the early to mid '90's? That's when they really started the anti-competitive behaviour, with the OS wars against OS/2, the DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run and then the browser wars once MS realized that the Internet was real and people weren't going to sign up to MSN.