Considering that the best jailbreaks would not register, and the fact users of Flurry are, at best, a self-selected group, I am not convinced even a little that those statistics are an accurate reflection of iPhone users in general.
In fact (this is still on-subject): a way was recently discovered to get root access on the new iOS without jailbreaking the phone. So people could still run other apps, and Flurry would not know the difference.
I was just going to suggest bootable CD / USB key, with its own OS. That way you could configure the OS any way you wanted, and still not mess with any settings on the host machine or its native OS. You could lock it down so far as to just enable that one application to be accessible.
I think that's probably the solution they are really looking for. And CDs are cheaper even that USB sticks.
"I'm an iOS developer and I can tell you that over the 3 years of the App Store, review times have got shorter, and there appear to be less mistakes, not more."
Maybe I could have been clearer. I meant because there will be more competition that imposes fewer restrictions. My premise is that Apple won't be able to keep all of its restrictions in place, because people will just end up bypassing them.
It doesn't matter whether that will require jailbreaking the phones. People will do it. They always have.
First you claimed there were only a couple. You were shown to be wrong. Then you say "Well, that's meaningless... my site lists numbers that show..." Hahaha. You point to a list of 10,000 websites (a small fraction of 1%) and claim THOSE numbers are significant.
Dude, I can take just one framework, like ASP.NET -- according to my source, only #38 in popularity -- and show you that there are MILLIONS of web sites that use it.
Absolutely. I once found myself working on a web project that had been through 3 previous developers -- and it wasn't even that big of a project -- but of course I did not know that when I took the job. If I had known the history of the project, I probably would not have taken it.
I ended up trying to reverse-engineer a huge mess, without really being given the time to do so. They kept me busy making stupid little changes to the graphics, when it really needed some serious underlying code work.
Then, out of the blue, they sprung a deadline on me of like 4 days, AND they wanted to release on a holiday. I said "No way. I would need at least another week to get this working properly." I did not get the week. PLUS they kept making changes up until literally the last hour, PLUS guess who got blamed when things -- inevitably -- did not work right?
I was glad to get the hell out of there. As -- it turned out later -- were the 3 developers before me.
I think the most "broken" thing about televisions is that they exist at all anymore.
I have better than 1080p on my "spare" 24" monitor. What do I need a 46" TV for, especially at 10 x the price? I can watch TV at full resolution (or lower, which is what I usually really want) in a window as I work on my computer. I have a slingbox, so I haven't actually been using a TV to watch TV for years now.
Actually it is. No company is allowed to compete directly with USPS. Lysander Spooner tried that over 160 years ago, and was rather successful, driving the cost of a letter down to 3 cents.
"The reason all the physics academics in the early 20th century did their important work in their 20s is because they were working in brand new fields - general relativity and quantum mechanics / quantum field theory - where the Nobels went to the first person to pick the low-laying fruit. Meanwhile, as a modern physics graduate, some of the problems I'm expected to solve for homework and/or self-edification originally got Nobel Prizes when Schrodinger, Dirac, Einstein and Feynman worked them out."
You can claim that physics is an exception if you want, but the trend is across disciplines, and your reasoning does not hold for all those others.
Further, there is a good bit of evidence that in some cases we may end up having to go back to some of those older ideas: so far dark mass and energy haven't proved out, and there have come up explanations that don't need them. Explanations that go back to some of the old "unadjusted" equations after all.
We may, for example, be going back to Hamilton's Quaternions, and Heaviside's, analyses as opposed to Maxwell's simplifications. It all depends on how it shakes out.
But this trend is far wider than physics alone. I think you are trying to rationalize a bit.
"Which has more malware, iPhone or Android? Answer: Android has a fuckton more malware. It doesn't just work in theory it works in practice."
Try reading ALL of what I wrote. Walled gardens eventually get as infested as everywhere else.
The only way they can make it otherwise, is to screen everything that comes through, which they have tried to do. And the result? Apps getting arbitrarily rejected that should not have been, apps being accepted that should not have been, and so on. Not to mention arbitrary rules, and the rest of it.
But eventually, it will all even out, once outlets other than the app store become more popular. There is nothing they can do about it; it is inevitable.
Stop moving the goalposts. First you say that business only supports a couple of frameworks. I show you that you are incorrect, and you say, "Well, only 38..."
I call BS. Your original point was just plain wrong.
"That's idealistic. If you don't use the same framework as everyone else, you'll be working alone."
Not necessarily. Tell that to David Heinemeier Hansson. He wrote his own, and now it is used regularly by hundreds of thousands.
The point is that anybody CAN write a framework, if not necessarily a commercially successful one. But there is only room for one or a few successful proprietary app stores.
"How many main web frameworks are there being used in business? Maybe a couple, what, drupal, joomla?"
Uh... here are just some, in approximate order of popularity: Zend, CodeIgniter, Rails, Django, Symfony, Cyclone3, CakePHP, Yii, Spring, Google Web Toolkit, Struts, Flex, ASP.NET MVC, Seam, Cocoon, Flask, Wicket, Zope, Grails, Express, Tornado, Tapestry, Cappuccino, Horde, JSF, Play, Seagull, Sinatra, web.py, Lift, SproutCore, Cairngorm, Apache Click, Prado, Grok, SilverStripe Sapphire, ASP.NET, Catalyst, (fab), Vaadin, Kohana, Pylons, Camping, Compojure, Hemlock, web2py, WebGUI, CherryPy, ErlyWeb, Merb, RestfulX, Erlang Web.
This is not a comprehensive list; there are quite a few more in common use.
"Try and go to a programming shop and tell them you want to use some obscure framework."
That's what I do for a living.
"In both cases the model only supports a very small number of top dogs..."
Um... no.
"The only time this doesn't work this way is with companies that locate in the middle of nowhere so they can be the biggest fish in the sea."
I disagree completely. Your premise is demonstrably wrong from the start.
"A well maintained walled gardens will never be invested with bugs and worms as you have a central authority to clean the mess up when security issues arise,..."
That sounds very nice in theory, but in the real world it doesn't work that way, and never has.
Gated communities suffer just as much crime as any others, and walled gardens eventually get just as infested as everywhere else. I am not aware of any exceptions.
Precisely. There are a couple of things GP AC did not take into account.
The first of those is that the iPhone is, in fact, a PC. It may be smaller, but it does everything that PCs a few years ago used to do, and more. So even trying to make that distinction is nothing but crap. The fact that it fits in your pocket and uses a somewhat different OS does not make it "not a PC".
The other is that, just as you mentioned, walled gardens do not keep out the slugs.
If you want to use the analogy, let's go ahead and use it. At least in the United States, gated communities do not actually experience less crime... at least after the first few years. It's security theater. So not only are there few real benefits, you have to put up with the inconveniences associated with living behind a fence all the time.
Yeah, but the reason isn't what you are implying. The real reason was simply that all of his peers were dead.
In case you haven't been keeping up (what? becoming a dinosaur yourself maybe?), today most engineers and academics don't do their most important work until well into their 40s. It used to be 20s.
Longer lifespans (and longer mental health) have enabled people to not just learn more but also gain a little wisdom before they actually become leaders. I don't see that as a bad thing.
I don't really think the Palm Pilot is a very good example. When Palm got into the phone market they (stupidly) threw away literally everything that made the Palm unique. And since it didn't do anything unique anymore -- but still carried a premium price -- people didn't by them... in droves.
I have seen arguments that other things came along that did it better, which is why it eventually failed, but that is not correct. The better things didn't come along until Palm had already basically failed, by choosing to market mediocre telephones and completely throwing away its core market.
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Bad idea. I would not let the UN handle tying someone's shoelaces without expecting them to foul it up and hurt somebody in the process.
They will never apologize. That is against official policy. And that is not a joke.
Apologies can be construed as confession of wrongdoing. So law enforcement and government officials are instructed to never apologize. For anything.
Which is why they never do it, unless a court makes them.
"Shutting people up for unjustified political reasons" is censorship!
The fact that they were also incompetent at it would be pretty much irrelevant, except that now we all know.
Considering that the best jailbreaks would not register, and the fact users of Flurry are, at best, a self-selected group, I am not convinced even a little that those statistics are an accurate reflection of iPhone users in general.
In fact (this is still on-subject): a way was recently discovered to get root access on the new iOS without jailbreaking the phone. So people could still run other apps, and Flurry would not know the difference.
"People in general don't."
You might be surprised.
I was just going to suggest bootable CD / USB key, with its own OS. That way you could configure the OS any way you wanted, and still not mess with any settings on the host machine or its native OS. You could lock it down so far as to just enable that one application to be accessible.
I think that's probably the solution they are really looking for. And CDs are cheaper even that USB sticks.
"and as time passes one needs longer and longer to become well enough acquainted with existing results to discover/derive new ones."
This is support of my assertion, not a refutation of it.
"I'm an iOS developer and I can tell you that over the 3 years of the App Store, review times have got shorter, and there appear to be less mistakes, not more."
Maybe I could have been clearer. I meant because there will be more competition that imposes fewer restrictions. My premise is that Apple won't be able to keep all of its restrictions in place, because people will just end up bypassing them.
It doesn't matter whether that will require jailbreaking the phones. People will do it. They always have.
And you guessed that wrong, too.
First you claimed there were only a couple. You were shown to be wrong. Then you say "Well, that's meaningless... my site lists numbers that show..." Hahaha. You point to a list of 10,000 websites (a small fraction of 1%) and claim THOSE numbers are significant.
Dude, I can take just one framework, like ASP.NET -- according to my source, only #38 in popularity -- and show you that there are MILLIONS of web sites that use it.
Nothing wrong with MY comprehension, at all.
Absolutely. I once found myself working on a web project that had been through 3 previous developers -- and it wasn't even that big of a project -- but of course I did not know that when I took the job. If I had known the history of the project, I probably would not have taken it.
I ended up trying to reverse-engineer a huge mess, without really being given the time to do so. They kept me busy making stupid little changes to the graphics, when it really needed some serious underlying code work.
Then, out of the blue, they sprung a deadline on me of like 4 days, AND they wanted to release on a holiday. I said "No way. I would need at least another week to get this working properly." I did not get the week. PLUS they kept making changes up until literally the last hour, PLUS guess who got blamed when things -- inevitably -- did not work right?
I was glad to get the hell out of there. As -- it turned out later -- were the 3 developers before me.
I think the most "broken" thing about televisions is that they exist at all anymore.
I have better than 1080p on my "spare" 24" monitor. What do I need a 46" TV for, especially at 10 x the price? I can watch TV at full resolution (or lower, which is what I usually really want) in a window as I work on my computer. I have a slingbox, so I haven't actually been using a TV to watch TV for years now.
Actually it is. No company is allowed to compete directly with USPS. Lysander Spooner tried that over 160 years ago, and was rather successful, driving the cost of a letter down to 3 cents.
However, the U.S. Government would not tolerate the competition and litigated his company out of existence.
"The reason all the physics academics in the early 20th century did their important work in their 20s is because they were working in brand new fields - general relativity and quantum mechanics / quantum field theory - where the Nobels went to the first person to pick the low-laying fruit. Meanwhile, as a modern physics graduate, some of the problems I'm expected to solve for homework and/or self-edification originally got Nobel Prizes when Schrodinger, Dirac, Einstein and Feynman worked them out."
You can claim that physics is an exception if you want, but the trend is across disciplines, and your reasoning does not hold for all those others.
Further, there is a good bit of evidence that in some cases we may end up having to go back to some of those older ideas: so far dark mass and energy haven't proved out, and there have come up explanations that don't need them. Explanations that go back to some of the old "unadjusted" equations after all.
We may, for example, be going back to Hamilton's Quaternions, and Heaviside's, analyses as opposed to Maxwell's simplifications. It all depends on how it shakes out.
But this trend is far wider than physics alone. I think you are trying to rationalize a bit.
"Ah, the confidence of the uninformed."
I agree completely. Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it. Have fun. I'll be moving on, doing something else.
"They are not trying to do it, they are doing it, and very successfully"
They are doing it for now. They simply can't keep it up. It won't work.
And I'm not "focusing" on Slashdot squat. I don't give the slightest damn about what Slashdot might have to say about it.
"Which has more malware, iPhone or Android? Answer: Android has a fuckton more malware. It doesn't just work in theory it works in practice."
Try reading ALL of what I wrote. Walled gardens eventually get as infested as everywhere else.
The only way they can make it otherwise, is to screen everything that comes through, which they have tried to do. And the result? Apps getting arbitrarily rejected that should not have been, apps being accepted that should not have been, and so on. Not to mention arbitrary rules, and the rest of it.
But eventually, it will all even out, once outlets other than the app store become more popular. There is nothing they can do about it; it is inevitable.
Stop moving the goalposts. First you say that business only supports a couple of frameworks. I show you that you are incorrect, and you say, "Well, only 38..."
I call BS. Your original point was just plain wrong.
"That's idealistic. If you don't use the same framework as everyone else, you'll be working alone."
Not necessarily. Tell that to David Heinemeier Hansson. He wrote his own, and now it is used regularly by hundreds of thousands.
The point is that anybody CAN write a framework, if not necessarily a commercially successful one. But there is only room for one or a few successful proprietary app stores.
"How many main web frameworks are there being used in business? Maybe a couple, what, drupal, joomla?"
Uh... here are just some, in approximate order of popularity: Zend, CodeIgniter, Rails, Django, Symfony, Cyclone3, CakePHP, Yii, Spring, Google Web Toolkit, Struts, Flex, ASP.NET MVC, Seam, Cocoon, Flask, Wicket, Zope, Grails, Express, Tornado, Tapestry, Cappuccino, Horde, JSF, Play, Seagull, Sinatra, web.py, Lift, SproutCore, Cairngorm, Apache Click, Prado, Grok, SilverStripe Sapphire, ASP.NET, Catalyst, (fab), Vaadin, Kohana, Pylons, Camping, Compojure, Hemlock, web2py, WebGUI, CherryPy, ErlyWeb, Merb, RestfulX, Erlang Web.
This is not a comprehensive list; there are quite a few more in common use.
"Try and go to a programming shop and tell them you want to use some obscure framework."
That's what I do for a living.
"In both cases the model only supports a very small number of top dogs..."
Um... no.
"The only time this doesn't work this way is with companies that locate in the middle of nowhere so they can be the biggest fish in the sea."
I disagree completely. Your premise is demonstrably wrong from the start.
"A well maintained walled gardens will never be invested with bugs and worms as you have a central authority to clean the mess up when security issues arise, ..."
That sounds very nice in theory, but in the real world it doesn't work that way, and never has.
Gated communities suffer just as much crime as any others, and walled gardens eventually get just as infested as everywhere else. I am not aware of any exceptions.
Precisely. There are a couple of things GP AC did not take into account.
The first of those is that the iPhone is, in fact, a PC. It may be smaller, but it does everything that PCs a few years ago used to do, and more. So even trying to make that distinction is nothing but crap. The fact that it fits in your pocket and uses a somewhat different OS does not make it "not a PC".
The other is that, just as you mentioned, walled gardens do not keep out the slugs.
If you want to use the analogy, let's go ahead and use it. At least in the United States, gated communities do not actually experience less crime... at least after the first few years. It's security theater. So not only are there few real benefits, you have to put up with the inconveniences associated with living behind a fence all the time.
Yeah, but the reason isn't what you are implying. The real reason was simply that all of his peers were dead.
In case you haven't been keeping up (what? becoming a dinosaur yourself maybe?), today most engineers and academics don't do their most important work until well into their 40s. It used to be 20s.
Longer lifespans (and longer mental health) have enabled people to not just learn more but also gain a little wisdom before they actually become leaders. I don't see that as a bad thing.
Yay. Someone who actually got the point. How refreshing! :o)
Firing network packets at CEOs and other corporate bureaucrats might be a good theme.
I don't really think the Palm Pilot is a very good example. When Palm got into the phone market they (stupidly) threw away literally everything that made the Palm unique. And since it didn't do anything unique anymore -- but still carried a premium price -- people didn't by them... in droves.
I have seen arguments that other things came along that did it better, which is why it eventually failed, but that is not correct. The better things didn't come along until Palm had already basically failed, by choosing to market mediocre telephones and completely throwing away its core market.
As long as the OS remains Posix compliant, this argument does not hold at all. An app written for any other recent kernel will still run on this one.
That's why I can run just about any Unix program on my Apple.