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TV Isn't Broken, So Why Fix It?

PolygamousRanchKid sends this quote from a contentious article at CNN that questions the need for further development of TVs and the entire TV-viewing experience. "The technology industry is absolutely bent on reinventing television. ... But nobody seems to be able to answer the big question: what exactly is so broken about TV anyway? The tech industry is filled with engineers and geeks. They naturally want to optimize the TV experience, to make it as efficient and elegant as possible, requiring the fewest number of steps to complete a particular task while offering the greatest number of amazing new features. But normal people don't think about TV that way. TV is passive. The last thing we want to do is work at it. ... As long as there's something on — anything — that is reasonably engaging, we're cool. Most of us are even OK spending a few minutes just shuffling through channels at random." So, what do you think is broken about TV right now? Is there a point at which it'd be better for us to stand back and say "We've done what we can with this. Let's work on something else"?

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  1. TV ain't broken? by mholve · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you SEEN what's on TV?

    1. Re:TV ain't broken? by InsightIn140Bytes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't watch much TV because I just don't have the time, but there's lots of good shows I'd like to watch. The Office, The Simpsons, Pan Am, How I Met Your Mother, Eureka, Conan, Modern Family, The Big Bang Theory, Person of Interest, Chuck... And I haven't even checked the news shows. And those are on top of the one or two I watch from my own country.

      Then there's all of those on break, like Futurama and Californication... There's great amount of good shows to watch, so it isn't that.

    2. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Mine has a stack of books and a vase on it. Its ok, but not something I am inclined to stare at for long periods of time.

    3. Re:TV ain't broken? by somersault · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently they don't care

      As long as there's something on â" anything â" that is reasonably engaging, we're cool. Most of us are even OK spending a few minutes just shuffling through channels at random

      That was acceptable when there was no other option, and when you were just wanting to relax for a while. There are much better alternatives now though. Even if those alternatives also involve just passively watching media, why should you settle just for something "reasonably engaging" - probably punctuated by ads every 10-15 minutes - when you have streaming options available? Even before I overcame my strange desire to build a collection of media, I much preferred simply buying everything outright than putting up with adverts. These days I'm happy with streaming and rentals.

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    4. Re:TV ain't broken? by alphatel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Advertising has been the driver behind commercial TV for decades. Money still pours in non-stop to commercial networks and some are looking to capitalize even more with product ordering forms in case you thought it couldn't get any worse.

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    5. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a writing/funding problem, NOT a technical issue.

      From a technical standpoint, TV has been fine for decades....

    6. Re:TV ain't broken? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My response to the question as well. The problem with TV is not technology.

      What is broken about TV is content. Direct TV is amazing! There are now 1000 channels, with nothing on. The technology improved this from 50, a mere decade ago.

      I don't wan' a "History" channel that gives a platform to observe crackers welding hotrods, or a chance to watch "Like Water for Elephants" at 7.99 USD.

      I am afraid to even ask about the listing: "Dave's Old Porn".

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    7. Re:TV ain't broken? by Megane · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've tried turning up the brightness knob, but it's just as stupid as it ever was.

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    8. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anrego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's actually starting to improve..

      There are some honest to god sitcoms popping up. Still not worth getting my cable back yet, but it at least looks like the reality TV thing is starting to fade.

    9. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Dave's old porn is great. Think MST3K but to blurry porn

    10. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anrego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While I too tend to prefer buying a series and watching it straight through (I don't care about the advertisements, more the lack of waiting a week between each chunk), I also fondly remember the "sit back and casually watch whatever is on" thing.

      Discovery channel, comedy central, and TLC (back when it was about learning and not decorating houses..) were great for this style of consumption.

    11. Re:TV ain't broken? by Blind+RMS+Groupie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yea, it's been a vast wasteland for the past 50 years.

    12. Re:TV ain't broken? by shaitand · · Score: 5, Insightful

      TV is different from streaming in that content is pushed to you rather than pulled by you. Although I like the empowerment of pulling all my content pulling means that I mostly pull the content that is in my comfort zone and that I am already somewhat familiar with. Movies with actors I've enjoyed in the past or even that i've already seen and really enjoyed. The amount of exposure to new actors and new content is limited. For instance I will pull the latest season of dexter because I enjoy the show but I wouldn't be likely to pull the big bang theory because I've never seen it.

      However with broadcast TV I might stumble onto the big bang theory and leave it on a few minutes and find I enjoy it. Then I can go download the rest and watch it marathon style without commercials if I so choose.

    13. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

    14. Re:TV ain't broken? by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I don't even care that the "History" and "Discovery" channels show this stuff or dedicate hours to crackpot alien illuminati crap. What annoys me that they only have 4 or 5 shows and replay them marathon style over and over again. Seriously, the only time it is okay to play 4 episodes of the same thing back to back is if its the previous season and you are recapping before the new season.

    15. Re:TV ain't broken? by s1d3track3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. You know the saying there are 500+ channels and nothing is on.

      For me TV is broken because I should be able to watch anything I want when I want.

      I should be able to click on the TV and watch any episode of the original Star Trek (for example) at any time (it would also be nice to have a 'you may also enjoy', or 'related' to learn about things I may not be familiar with in the genre [or, perish the thought, new programs in development])

      TV should be at my control 'for my entertainment', not treat me as a passive audience for what ever is programmed at whatever time.

      (Yes, I realize this is probably not a realistic expectation. I am also aware of the wide array of recording devices, Tivo, etc as well as Movie streaming devices. (Roku, etc) I also realize that the blocker in my vision is more about licensing then technology, still, this is how I would like 'TV' to work)

    16. Re:TV ain't broken? by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, 90% of everything is crap and always has been. That doesn't mean everything on TV sucks. There are a lot of great shows in that 10%. Unfortunately, they tend to get cancelled while shows like Keeping Up With the Kardashians get renewed. But 90% of people's tastes apparently suck too. Every time I get depressed about it, some great new show comes along to renew my faith.

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    17. Re:TV ain't broken? by sheehaje · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem with TV is the cost to get what I want. My FiOS TV costs half of my $200 Verizon Bill (Internet and Phone are also on it). Which isn't much value to me, but is to my wife and son. I watch 3 shows regularly: Daily Show w/Jon Stewart, Pawn Stars, and now for some reason American Horror Story. I also watch the NFL and sometimes Baseball. If it wasn't for my wife, I would definitely cut off TV out of the equation, but she is a stay at home mom (cost of Daycare doesn't justify her working and having someone else raise our kids). Things like Sesame St. and Disney programming are great for my son. But of 150+ channels, we maybe hit 6 or 7 of them in a week.

      Here is how you improve TV: Offer A la Carte programming. Let me choose about 20 channels, and cut my bill about 70%. Right now, the Internet is a pain in the ass to watch TV on, but it's the best way to get the programming I want. If I could choose the channels I want, with the simplicity of DVR and a remote, for a cost that is reasonable, then TV would be in the golden age.

    18. Re:TV ain't broken? by sunderland56 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's a writing/funding problem, NOT a technical issue.

      This.

      People will happily watch YouTube clips at 480 x 320 resolution, low frame rate, highly compressed, on their smartphones. Technology is not the answer.

    19. Re:TV ain't broken? by Canazza · · Score: 3, Funny

      I use my TV to listen to Digital Radio. It's got better speakers than the radio I have in the kitchen.

      Seriously. Between that, Panel shows (like QI and HIGNFY) and the odd Film it's all I use it for.

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    20. Re:TV ain't broken? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative

      Remember when History had history programming?

      Of course history had two dimensions: Confederate armies and Hitler. Oh! Three dimensions, if you count "historical Jesus" shows during Christmas and Easter seasons.

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    21. Re:TV ain't broken? by kiwimate · · Score: 0

      Preamble: totally off-topic, but the parent post started a vast raft of comments from people cheerily ignoring the story (i.e. the technology, not the content), so I'll continue.

      Most depressing part of the article:

      But the real clue comes, again, from the Isaacson biography. Jobs talks about having a really tough time balancing his return to Apple in 1997 with his obligations as CEO of Pixar. "I would go to work at 7 a.m. and get back at 9 at night and the kids would be in bed. And I couldn't speak, I literally couldn't, I was so exhausted....All I could do was watch a half hour of TV and vegetate."

      Why have kids if you never see them? Why work that much that you're totally exhausted, all the time, and have no chance to enjoy life? Why bother? How depressing...

    22. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree, but will throw some more into this one. ... There are some good SHOWS on TV, but commercial breaks have gotten to the breaking point for my viewing. I've not had digital cable for almost a year and do not miss it at all. I'd much rather hulu breaks and/or netflix. To hell with paying the fees I do for shows I don't watch on channels that I don't give a rats butt about. YES TV is broken. Also, I will NOT pay extra for HD content as this is freaking ridiculous to me! If this is the route that you're going, then it should be made free. It's not like you've EVER decreased the price of cable, even though on average the amount of money spent on the non-HD cameras are nowhere NEAR what they used to be. In short theres no way the TV ISN'T broken.

    23. Re:TV ain't broken? by kryliss · · Score: 1

      Seriously, with all the adverts for all the different reality shows that are on and coming out I would have thought there were even more than before.

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    24. Re:TV ain't broken? by FictionPimp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You should see the look of shock I get when I tell people I do not have TV service. I have netflix, I have video games, I have a few other online content resources, but TV....not much worth paying for.

      I'd much rather wait for it to get to netflix, watch without commercials and see it on my own time, at my own pace. You want to fix TV? Let me buy what I want, when I want and watch it how I want.

    25. Re:TV ain't broken? by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      mholve asked:

      >Have you SEEN what's on TV?

      _That_ is why I watch ~1 hour an 10 minutes or so of broadcast TV each week --- _This Old House_ on PBS and _Nintendo Week_ on the Nintendo Channel.

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    26. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > The Simpsons

      You lost your credibility right there, unless you're talking reruns that predate the second Bush administration.

    27. Re:TV ain't broken? by paiute · · Score: 5, Funny

      > The Simpsons

      You lost your credibility right there, unless you're talking reruns that predate the second Bush administration.

      Simpson hipsters.

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    28. Re:TV ain't broken? by michrech · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I used to watch TLC pretty frequently. Now it's all programming about decorating things (houses, people, etc), pimping out your toddlers, and irresponsible child birth (both in having absurdly large families, and those that *somehow* "don't know" they're pregnant, etc)... Used to watch Planet Green until it started running reruns from other Discovery channels. I do watch a lot of Discovery Science, though I don't hold out much hope that Discovery Networks won't fuck that one up also. :(

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    29. Re:TV ain't broken? by jedidiah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Advertising is one of the big things that is currently broken about TV. There's too much of "ads as content" as well as changing rules regarding how much of normal content can be mired in ads. This has led to a dichotomy between "prime time" content and reruns and the butchery of older works.

      The creation of my own media stockpile began in earnest when I noticed the escalation of this butchery. They effect has become more pronounced and has negatively impacted the overall experience.

      Beyond that, the PVR already liberated us from the centralized planning of network schedules and the problems of trying to chase shows around the schedule. The PVR also helps you find the stuff that's not total dreck.

      TV without a PVR is most certainly broken and only getting worse.

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    30. Re:TV ain't broken? by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're forgetting the guns. The guns. History used to also be the gun channel, or as some have put it: The Guns and Hitler channel.

      At least that stuff was on topic.

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    31. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people have different priorities in life.

    32. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah. just commercials

    33. Re:TV ain't broken? by NatasRevol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is fundamentally what's wrong with TV. The subscription model.

      I dont want 1000 channels of random cram, repeated every 4 hours. You're going to get repeat crap when there's 1000 channels to fill.

      I want about 25 channels of stuff that *I* want to watch. And I want to be able to actually chose those channels. And add or subtract channels I'm (not) interested in. I don't ever want to see a hunting/cooking/househunting show. But I do want to to watch hockey games/history/movies. You can't, the subscription model says you have to have both.

      If the price is $1.99/channel/month, I'd get what I want for about the same price without having to surf the channel guide regularly.

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    34. Re:TV ain't broken? by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed. The technology is just fine. The technology was just fine 10 years ago too. What's broken is the content. (actually this describes the state of the internet too)

    35. Re:TV ain't broken? by SeximusMaximus · · Score: 2

      Grandpa, whats this thing you call a TV knob?

    36. Re:TV ain't broken? by cvtan · · Score: 2

      Exactly. The available content sucks and I'm not paying for it. After Perry Mason, Dick Van Dyke and Gunsmoke, everything went to hell!

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    37. Re:TV ain't broken? by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      _That_ is why I watch ~1 hour an 10 minutes or so of broadcast TV each week --- _This Old House_ on PBS and _Nintendo Week_ on the Nintendo Channel.

      There's a "Nintendo Channel" on TV?

      Isn't that both redundant and just plain wrong?

    38. Re:TV ain't broken? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 4, Funny

      Brief synopsis of some of your favorites:

      The Office: Office workers are stupid idiots
      The Simpsons: Nuclear operators are stupid idiots
      Pan Am: Stewardesses are stupid idiots
      How I Met Your Mother: Sex addicts are stupid idiots
      Modern Family: Parents are stupid idiots
      The Big Bang Theory: Geeks are stupid idiots
      Chuck: Spies are stupid idiots
      news shows: Reporters are gullible stupid idiots
      Futurama: Aliens are stupid idiots.

      Seems like there's a trend there somewhere

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    39. Re:TV ain't broken? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I don't have streaming options. My network can't do it. Basically you need cable modem speeds for streaming, which means you'll have cable or uverse or whatever already. The streaming I have seen is plain awful. Blow it up full screen and it's ugly unless you get HD.

      Next problem is you have to sit in front of your computer to watch a show. That's annoying. Not everyone has their home wired so that they can stream to a large screen television downstairs.

      Streaming is a waste of bandwidth because you're not sharing any data on those wires or spectrum. Simpler to just record on your dvr then watch anytime you want.

      Rentals does work too. Some people only use netflix DVDs.

    40. Re:TV ain't broken? by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Advertising is one of the big things that is currently broken about TV. There's too much of "ads as content" as well as changing rules regarding how much of normal content can be mired in ads. This has led to a dichotomy between "prime time" content and reruns and the butchery of older works.

      Want to vomit? Try watching old "twilight zone" reruns. The original 1/2 hour episodes were about 25 minutes in the old days. Recent hack jobs have that scarcely over 15 minutes now. With automatic hands free Mythtv commercial skipping, I can watch 4 "half hour" episodes in a bit more than an hour.

      So much is edited out that some episodes don't make sense anymore. Entire scenes gone. Sometimes they chop out to an ad in the middle of dialog.

      The original 25 minute episodes are still available via DVD and of course torrents. I'm pretty close to switching to that instead of watching the sad "broadcasts".

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    41. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have these things called antennas. Set on eup and drop everything but you internet feed.
      Unless you're way out in the sticks you should be able to get a local PBS feed for PBS Kids. Almost all of the Disney stuff is crap, except for Phineas and Ferb. Download Pawn Stars if you feel you must watch it.
      I'm in Canada so I get Stewart and Colbert over the air and I live close enough to the border that I can pick up a PBS feed so I guess I'm fortunate in that regard.

    42. Re:TV ain't broken? by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Why have kids if you never see them? Why work that much that you're totally exhausted, all the time, and have no chance to enjoy life? Why bother? How depressing...

      You think he should have sold them on ebay? Get a new job, sell the kids, move to new neighborhood.

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    43. Re:TV ain't broken? by Mikkeles · · Score: 1

      Ignoring your children should not be a priority.

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    44. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not me I want full 1080p.......this crap they broadcast at 720 is for the birds!

    45. Re:TV ain't broken? by Dishevel · · Score: 3, Funny

      TV?
      Is that the thing that my computer and PS3 are hooked up to?

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    46. Re:TV ain't broken? by linuxwolf69 · · Score: 1

      Add to that the removal of all commercials during a show, and I'd be onboard. Have 5 minutes to fill between shows? Run commercials then. But don't break up the show I'm trying to enjoy with commercials. It would create a better viewing opportunity for consumers but still allow advertisements in between shows.

      It would also make it easier to skip commercials. When I did watch TV (don't subscribe to any television service anymore), I'd just mute the commercials anyway. With this change, just mute after show goes off, and unmute when next show comes on.

    47. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it ain't broken. I am a techie but have you ever dealt with the monstrosity called google TV in the form of Logitech Revue ? Is this the future of TV ? I don't want it. If I need to watch you tube, I am perfectly capable of walking two stes to my desk and launch it on my laptop and if (most of the time I am not) hell bent on watching it on the big screen, I can use one of the myriad of TV out converters and be done with it.

      TV is broken for the advertisers. People don't pay attention to ads anymore. So, they are looking for new ways to cram them down our throats. Thanks but no thanks. I don't neither need nor want new technology to be force fed new advertising.

      Again, TV is fine as it is. If you don't like it, find another medium to entertain you instead of hijacking a perfectly fine working device into something that requires a PhD to figure out.

    48. Re:TV ain't broken? by eln · · Score: 1

      The Civil War stuff was usually fairly good. Hell, even the Hitler stuff was good until it all turned into "Hitler and the Occult" and "Hitler's Alien Encounters". And back then, they would at least occasionally throw on some interesting documentary about some other time period at 3 in the morning.

      These days, it's non-stop suck 24x7.

    49. Re:TV ain't broken? by vlm · · Score: 1

      I don't ever want to see a hunting/cooking/househunting show. But I do want to to watch hockey games/history/movies. You can't, the subscription model says you have to have both.

      The industry model of the cableco owns the proprietary closed source settop box, says you have to see the Spanish channels, the home shopping channels, the sports channels, all that junk. I run a mythtv and I simply deleted the channels I never watch from mythtv channel editor and my schedulesdirect account. Bye bye univision, bye bye QVC, bye bye ESPN, bye bye HGTV, bye bye MTV, bye bye foxnews. I'm left with about 5 channels I often watch and about 20 I keep around just in case. But I don't have to scroll thru, past, click thru, or acknowledge the existence of channels I don't watch, etc. Its VERY convenient and enjoyable.

      The subscription model means I have to pay for it, even if I've blocked it. I'm getting the same amount of entertainment, I just don't have to wade thru the trash, so I'm "ok" with it.

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    50. Re:TV ain't broken? by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Informative

      The problem is cost. Back in the day you put up an antenna and got free TV. Now thanks to cable companies their are fewer and fewer network stations. I live in a town of over 200,000 people and I can get one network OTA and like 14 channels. If their was no cable companies I would get all the major networks because they have made deals with those small stations. Now the stations get to double dip. They charge the cable companies and show commercials. The Cable companies also get to double dip and bundle channels you don't want to subsidize the ones that you do. I would bet you big bucks that a lot of people wouldn't pay what ESPN is asking.
      I can tell you that OTA HD is so much better than the recomppessed crap on cable. If you live in a good sized city or near one I really suggest getting a cheap set of rabbit ears and see what you can get OTA. You may be shocked.

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    51. Re:TV ain't broken? by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're over-complicating the content.

      Seriously, there is about zero content that isn't badly drawn cartoons, sitcoms/dramas written so as to be palatable to 90-IQ types, straight-up propaganda, or infomercials.

      Almost the only things worth watching come from sources other than the networks. And if something DOES come along worth watching, they cancel it right around episode 14.

      If it weren't for some of the productions you can buy on DVD and Bluray... and some streaming... I don't think I'd even own a TV today. But some of the movies make it all worth it for me.

      My dad used to say something along these lines: "Of all the technologies that he was aware of, television both had the greatest potential, and was the furthest from even approaching its potential." It took me some exploring, but I've decided he was spot-on.

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    52. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, technology IS the answer, as it is the avenue that can bring us better indexing of content, a broader range of content for all tastes and a more valuable experience while watching TV since it can be tailored down to our personal preferences.

      You cite the example of the youtube watcher. the reason that works is that is because they are choosing the content they wish to consume in an easy and understandable way that continues to show them related/similar content options as they watch things. there's no reason the TV cannot be as engaging.

      All through the power of technology revamping the TV experience.

    53. Re:TV ain't broken? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      So, technology is the answer?

      Really, it is. It's just that the cableco business people have to accept it. And I'm not sure anyone but Apple can force it on them, like they did to the music business.

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    54. Re:TV ain't broken? by vlm · · Score: 1

      I should be able to click on the TV and watch any episode of the original Star Trek (for example) at any time ...

      TV should be at my control 'for my entertainment', not treat me as a passive audience for what ever is programmed at whatever time.

      LOL you've just described my exact mythtv setup, why I have it, and how I use it. I am completely uninterested in sports so I haven't watched live TV in probably 6 years now.

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    55. Re:TV ain't broken? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Let me choose about 20 channels, and cut my bill about 70%

      Add in 40% service fee for the 'option' to choose and you're probably closer to the reality of it...

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    56. Re:TV ain't broken? by muindaur · · Score: 2

      I attempted watching Saturday morning cartoons recently, wanted to see if any new good cartoons were on, besides the disappointment at the quality of the only two runs (Fox and CW) the ads were worse than I remember. Sometimes it barely went five minutes before a long ad break.

      Do kids really have the attention span to sit through those ads?

      I remember being annoyed by them when I was a kid, and getting antsy.

    57. Re:TV ain't broken? by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 2

      Grandpa, whats this thing you call a TV knob?

      If you television doesn't proudly display in shiny embossed letters, "Solid State" you probably don't know. ;-)

    58. Re:TV ain't broken? by swanzilla · · Score: 5, Funny

      Simpson hipsters.

      Don't blame me, I voted for Kang.

    59. Re:TV ain't broken? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      I don't own a TV or a DVR. I do have cable as my PHY layer, though. Streaming or nothing for me.

      IOW, your situation isn't everyone's. Neither is mine.

    60. Re:TV ain't broken? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Satellite and cable are Dodos. The only reason the "market" hasn't kicked them to the curb is regulatory capture/incumbency.

      My kids watch whatever they want, when they want - legal or pirate stream - on laptops. They started this at 8 years. Noone told 'em if it were legal. They'd just google "watch futurama".

       

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    61. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Channels? Fuck that. I only care about shows. And I want them on demand. The whole broadcast model is fundamentally broken (except for urgent emergency notices). Even the news should be broken into on-demand segments.

    62. Re:TV ain't broken? by Jhyrryl · · Score: 2

      What is *on* TV is content. This is a discussion of the content delivery device *itself*. Parent should have been modded funny, not insightful.

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    63. Re:TV ain't broken? by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 1

      Every time I get depressed about it, some great new show comes along to renew my faith.

      Except in my case they generally get cancelled after less than a season or change direction to appeal to a larger (dumber) audience. That's why I wait until a show has been on a few seasons before watching it on DVD. No commercials, writer strikes or season breaks.

    64. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, you deserve more than 5 points for this comment.

    65. Re:TV ain't broken? by somersault · · Score: 2

      Well for example with Spotify I have heard plenty of new music from the "what's new?" section, as well as using search and "similar artists" etc. Likewise LoveFilm has weekly recommendations, categories and user reviews. You can do all that stuff without streaming, but on a streaming plan you feel more free to just try something new and drop it if it sucks. The upside is that you get it immediately. The downside is that you don't really own any of it, but I'm spending less and getting much more overall.

      Fkat rate streaming is especially good for TV series - I recently used HMA VPN with Amazon.com's free Prime trial membership, which gives you free streaming on some shows - so I got to watch all 4 seasons of Farscape for basically £5 (one month of HMA).

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    66. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People who aren't nerds watch TV.

      And TV shows are starting to be supplanted by Adventure games, there's still some time to go, but we're pretty darn close to being able to produce a TV show without real actors, voices or even... acting.

      Step 1. Kinect/OpenNI - There's a key-framing for animation
      Step 2. Proper Physics sandbox environments, see Source SDK, Garrys Mod, and MikuMikuDance
      Step 3. Voice sync, also seen in source games, MMD, and Unreal's engine
      Step 4. HDR rendering in real time.

      Even music can be done now in a procedural element.

      But this only covers the "choose your own adventure" element of merging video games with television content. As soon as you make this multiplayer you get rid of any desire to watch "single player" TV shows. Why be passive when you can control the action?

      You even see this with social gaming. Social gaming right now is just timesink'ing unproductive time. Nobody would seriously play these games if there were games that there are better games they can customize.

      It's the lego, hotwheels and barbie effect. If you let the person with the toys be in control of the storytelling, they won't have much desire to time-sink in front of the TV.

      How do you fix the TV?
      - Content, HTML5 lets you do this.
      - Interface... good it's impossible to find anything to watch on TV, and the "time slot" system makes it a pain in the ass to watch shows you might have an interest in if you don't keep a sleep/work schedule around it. The advent of the PVR solves this as long as the cableco will sell you one.

    67. Re:TV ain't broken? by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't watch much TV because I just don't have the time

      This neatly answers the question of what's wrong with TV: It doesn't fit into people's schedules. If you're not available when the TV company is broadcasting then you're out of luck.

      Then there's all the timewasting adverts. You might think a show starts at 10:30 but the broadcasters see the schedule time as a way to get you sitting down to watch a few adverts, nothing more. You might waste 20 minutes before it actually starts (at least, that's what they do around here).

      Yes there's TIVO to timeshift things but it's only a half measure. You still have to be sitting in the right room in front of the right screen and you have to remember to program it to record the shows you want.

      So far the only answer to these problems has been BitTorrent. But if the MAFIAA gets their way then pretty soon you'll have the outside world disconnected and/or be sent to prison for doing that.

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    68. Re:TV ain't broken? by edmicman · · Score: 1

      That's the whole point - with streaming options I mostly have to do work in order to watch what I want to watch. What a lot of the pundits and "next new thing" guys forget is maybe, just maybe, people still *do* want that passive experience, too. Sometimes I *do* just want to flip on, channel surf, and settle on whatever I might find. Sometimes I want background programming while I'm doing something else where I don't have to really pay attention. Sometimes I want reruns that I've seen before, but without having to actively pause if I go to the kitchen, or pay attention if I haven't seen it before. OK, make something like stumbleupon for web video, but make it work.

    69. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a matrix problem, not a vector problem.

      One axis is channels, the other axis is quality shows on that channel (I supposed there is a third dimension of time)

      The price is smeared across both axis but in return you get a very sparse matrix of quality. What I want is to only pay for the quality content and to view it when I want and not any particular time slot. Therefore I watch shows using a VOD system but the shows that I watch are grouped with others that do the same. The issue is that this type of viewing gets a lower weight when the networks look at the ratings and all the shows that I like get canceled even if they have good online ratings.

    70. Re:TV ain't broken? by Chemisor · · Score: 1

      No, I have not seen what's on TV. My TV has been broken for years and it is amazing how much my TV experience has improved since then.

    71. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is the television will not be revolutionized?

    72. Re:TV ain't broken? by interval1066 · · Score: 1

      That was acceptable when there was no other option

      Yeah, agreed. The cable providers continue to act like they are the Sh*t, so I don't care to "participate" (I don't have a cable bill). If they were a little more reasonable rather than charge a premium for their sh*t I'd probably have it. I like the History channel. But hell with them. I get what I need on the internet, and I don't pay $100+ a month for the priveledge. What a joke.

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    73. Re:TV ain't broken? by KhabaLox · · Score: 1

      Dave Attell going MST3K on 1970s era porn, with guest stars ranging from Chelsea Handler to Ron Jeremy.

      What's not to love?

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    74. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a writing/funding problem, NOT a technical issue.

      This.

      People will happily watch YouTube clips at 480 x 320 resolution, low frame rate, highly compressed, on their smartphones. Technology is not the answer.

      Smartphones have tiny screens and shitty audio, people accept that for the time being. That same quality isn't going to be acceptable on a 50" HDTV.

    75. Re:TV ain't broken? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      What's on TV doesn't deserve the term "content". It's hard to criticize the delivery device when the "content" itself is so pathetic.

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    76. Re:TV ain't broken? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Why have kids if you never see them? Why work that much that you're totally exhausted, all the time, and have no chance to enjoy life? Why bother? How depressing...

      In addition, working that much isn't healthy for you; could get Cancer or something... oh wait. (Too soon?) :-)

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    77. Re:TV ain't broken? by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Actually, my satellite receivers have that capability as well. Sometimes they call it a "favorites list" but you can program about 4 different lists with channels you want so you could even make a sports list and movies list so you only see the channels for what you're currently looking for. I use it to cut out all the channels I'm not subscribed to or won't ever watch.

      I seem to remember there being a similar option on my cable box last time I had one, but I could be misremembering.

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    78. Re:TV ain't broken? by doclight · · Score: 1

      ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-TOAD!

    79. Re:TV ain't broken? by tsa · · Score: 1

      You can still do that and I love it. That's why I still pay the cable company.

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    80. Re:TV ain't broken? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Let me choose about 20 channels, and cut my bill about 70%.

      But it probably won't cut your bill, or not by as much as you'd think/like. Content providers negotiate bundles with the cable companies. For example, if the cable companies want to be able to distribute The Disney Channel, most likely they'll have to accept ABC Family, ESPN and ESPN2, etc...The Discovery Network has many channels, several that always seem to go together. The cable companies have to make up their content costs somewhere. In addition, the fewer people that want a channel, the more expensive it will probably be...

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    81. Re:TV ain't broken? by DeathElk · · Score: 4, Informative

      My name is Otto and I love to get blotto

    82. Re:TV ain't broken? by tbannist · · Score: 1

      The reason you can't is definitely tied to the eternal copyright regime pushed by the RIAA and MPAA. They have literally stolen from the people of the world to enrich themselves, and we may never know the true value of everything they've stolen.

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    83. Re:TV ain't broken? by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Have you SEEN what's on TV?

      Yeap, some content that, from time to time, interrupts the ads/commercials stream.

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    84. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've watched them. Newfoundland's NTV, available in most of Canada on cable/satellite, doesn't hack them up at all. I don't know if things work differently in the magical land of Newfoundland or what, but they don't even have many ads (and the ads they during the evening are somehow almost all music videos?)

    85. Re:TV ain't broken? by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      For most people, there is more good quality programming than there is time to watch.

    86. Re:TV ain't broken? by rikkards · · Score: 1

      However with broadcast TV I might stumble onto the big bang theory and leave it on a few minutes and find I enjoy it. Then I can go download the rest and watch it marathon style without commercials if I so choose.

      Watch the first season then turn it off. It turned into the Sheldon Cooper show and is starting to ooze more and more estrogen that it needs to move to OWN channel.
      I always believed when a show starts introducing new characters it is time to end it.

    87. Re:TV ain't broken? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      as much as I hate to recommend it: netflix. get whole dvd's, no BS, skip what you want, rip to disk (have to, some have major scratches and its good to know that asap to reorder another) and then enjoy.

      streaming, imho, is BS. streaming as in broadcast or streaming as in ip-based datagrams. the quality is just not there and the network transport is not reliable enough. local copies still win. network is fine for bulk non-realtime xmission but just not for immediate consumption of any kind of critical audio or video file.

      media companies hate files; they hate US having files. having a file means you can review that file again and again. they prefer to sell you the experience, one at a time, of watching. for this reason, I reject all attempts to convert me from a bulk local-storage approach to a streaming approach.

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    88. Re:TV ain't broken? by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      You cannot comprehend History Channel's program, therefore, aliens.

    89. Re:TV ain't broken? by jackbird · · Score: 1

      May I suggest you check out the Punctuation Channel? They have a show called Basic HTML Markup that's pretty good.

      on a less obnoxious note, Renovation Realities on DIY network is a nice counterpoint to This Old House, as opposed to all the other aspirational infomercial crap DIY runs.

    90. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technology is not the answer.

      Nor is it the problem. The problem has been, and for the foreseeable future will always be, about content. You need only look to the thumbs-up committees to see that the majority of present TV content is abyssmal. You can only make so many reality show series before you start overlapping concepts, personalities, and arguments.

      And those shows that aren't reality, or long-running series (Law & Orders ..), aren't really offering too much of fresh entertainment value. Most comedy is flat, most drama is vapid, and what's left is information and artistic programming (Discovery or PBS), or Sports. Granted I love Sports, and the Scientific subjects that are being represented, but that's a small sector compared to rest of the spectrum being broadcast.

      I won't go into genre programming, as equated to books, because we honestly don't have a wide enough variety to have a worth-while discussion.

    91. Re:TV ain't broken? by Hatta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My dad used to say something along these lines: "Of all the technologies that he was aware of, television both had the greatest potential, and was the furthest from even approaching its potential." It took me some exploring, but I've decided he was spot-on.

      Exactly. Why is it we have 800 channels of TV, and not one of them carries college level lectures? There are professors out there giving lectures every day. It would cost next to nothing to record them and air them, and would give the 5% of us who actually like to use our brains something to watch.

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    92. Re:TV ain't broken? by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 4, Funny

      Watching History UK, I was very surprised to see Iceroad truckers. What happened to my beloved "Hitler Channel"? Back in the day it was all Hitler, all the time, except for some Ancient Egyptians. On some lucky nights we'd be treated to some odd ancient astronaut stuff. Thankfully History wasn't as bad with woo as Discovery Civilization. It seemed that Discovery in general blew half of the budget on night vision cameras, retards, and a bunch of con artists to drag them around dimly lit houses and give the retards the willies. I still recall a documentary in which Von Daniken's crazy ideas were introduced without any serious rebuttal. There was far too much if that "but perhaps we'll never know" mentality used when comparing fruit cake theories to reasonably argued and well evidenced ones.

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    93. Re:TV ain't broken? by Kevin108 · · Score: 1

      Your gripes might have had a legitimate basis 10 years ago but streaming works on a variety of hardware now and it's simpler than ever to hook a computer to your TV.

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    94. Re:TV ain't broken? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      That has nothing to do with the technology itself. But I find most menu systems to be horribly designed, and not just TVs. I wish they'd put a little more thought into the IU.

    95. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We've done what we can with this. Let's work on something else."

      When I can tweet how much a program sucks without leaving my television, it's time.

    96. Re:TV ain't broken? by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      You're over-complicating the content.

      Seriously, there is about zero content that isn't badly drawn cartoons, sitcoms/dramas written so as to be palatable to 90-IQ types, straight-up propaganda, or infomercials.

      Almost the only things worth watching come from sources other than the networks. And if something DOES come along worth watching, they cancel it right around episode 14.

      This is because the average viewer becomes lost and confused, walks into walls, hits their forehead with the fork, doesn't know what to buy, doesn't know who to believe, babbles about their brain hurting from unaccustomed effort and worst of all, changing channel to something less stimulating.

      If it weren't for some of the productions you can buy on DVD and Bluray... and some streaming... I don't think I'd even own a TV today. But some of the movies make it all worth it for me.

      My dad used to say something along these lines: "Of all the technologies that he was aware of, television both had the greatest potential, and was the furthest from even approaching its potential." It took me some exploring, but I've decided he was spot-on.

      Considering how media corporations have done everything they can to cater to the lowest commond denominator and have legislation so deeply in their favor they don't have to really work or even compete with each other, it's no surprise.

      Early days of television introduced viewers to drama playhouse productions, singing by people who actually had crafted their talent for decades rather than learned to moan into a microphone at the age of sixteen, presented thoughtful roundtable discussions etc. In short, all the sort of stuff that catered to what was believed to be a cultured public with high expectations. Reality turns out the people aren't interested in culture, they want mindless entertainment. The one venue holding up the early standards is Public Television, which despite costing a pittance to fund (and is also supported by donations). Small wonder they keep trying to kill that one off. It's not just a reminder of what they could be, but it's the last bastion of intellectual Americans.

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    97. Re:TV ain't broken? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Roku: Starting at $50. Streams via wireless network or wired. Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Vimeo, Crackle, every major news network, HBO Go and dozens of other video providers.

    98. Re:TV ain't broken? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      Let me choose about 20 channels, and cut my bill about 70%.

      Whatever the cable companies decide to let you do, cutting your bill is not among them. Their incremental cost of providing you with channels is essentially zero. Cable companies are expert in slicing and dicing the channels into packages so that each package typically has one channel that many people would consider "must have" and a load of dross. This maximizes the number of packages each customer buys, and hence maximizes revenue for the cable company.

      If you were to be allowed to choose individual channels, they'd each have to cost about as much as a whole package. That's the way it goes here in Finland, where cable companies are required by law to provide individual channels on request. Most of them cost between euro5.95 and euro9.95 per channel, much the same as getting a whole package which includes that channel. Some channels, of course, are much more expensive and mostly sold individually: Manchester United channel (WTF?), various "adult" channels, and a few movie channels.

      The last time they shuffled our pay package channels around to make it so we'd need to buy more packages (splitting Animal Planet, Discovery Science, and National Geographic), we canceled the lot. We still get the basic channel package because that's included in our network service, but even that may change in the new year. It seems that nobody in the house actually watches TV much, not even the kids, so it was just money wasted. 'Nuff said.

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    99. Re:TV ain't broken? by J-1000 · · Score: 2

      Or why have channels at all? A lot of these content providers are clever conglomerates who would start to spread good shows around different channels if the subscription model were per-channel.

      The Netflix or Amazon model or some variation is the way of the future. No one will bother with DVRs any more (copyright holders can breathe easier), it can be ad supported (with the help of the base subscription fee), or even ala carte if they want to be jerks about it. They could (and should) even start doing live events.

      Live events are the one thing missing from Netflix. There's something about watching scheduled TV that gives you a sense of connection with other viewers. Why not incorporate live TV? The broadcast time would just be the kickoff time... it could be viewed any time later as well.

    100. Re:TV ain't broken? by Vyse+of+Arcadia · · Score: 1

      Why should they do that when you're going to pay for 150+ channels anyway? Cable/Satellite won't change until more people start cancelling their subscriptions.

    101. Re:TV ain't broken? by bell.colin · · Score: 1

      You forgot the current trend of Volume bursting during commercials. (what ever happened to AVL from the older CRT TVs? I could really use that now.)

      That is the most annoying thing ever, i have to turn the volume way up (some times 12-13/30) during shows/movies and the commercials blast in at 20x volume and i have to turn down to below 2-3/30.

      Both cable and sat. companies do this, I heard there was some law about to be passed by congress 1-2 years ago to stop this but i guess the advertising bribers...eh lobbyists prevented it.

    102. Re:TV ain't broken? by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      I should be able to click on the TV and watch any episode of the original Star Trek (for example) at any time

      If you open Windows Media Center and go to "Internet TV" the CBS full episodes channel has both the original Star Trek and the animated series.

    103. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trend isn't in his preferences, friend, but in what's available.

    104. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "They call 'em fingers, but I never seen 'em fing! Oh, wait, there they go!"

      one of my favorite lines!

    105. Re:TV ain't broken? by J-1000 · · Score: 1

      it can be ad supported (with the help of the base subscription fee), or even ala carte if they want to be jerks about it

      I just realized that I described something that Netflix is not currently doing, and that it would probably annoy all of us. But you have to admit that it's a very possible scenario, especially if they are serious about getting a better selection of fresh content on there. For me it would be worth it to skip the cost of a cable subscription and the limitations of DVR.

    106. Re:TV ain't broken? by gtall · · Score: 1

      Really, I feel like I've fought WWII at least 100 times and won every damn time.

    107. Re:TV ain't broken? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Streaming doesn't have to be pull oriented. There's no reason that the content on a cable networks stream has to be any different from what's on their cable channel.

      Besides, streaming can be a lot better for discovery than a static, one size fits all channel would be. This is obvious in the case of music. "you might also like" is a pretty powerful way to discover new media.

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    108. Re:TV ain't broken? by Volshebnyj+Molotok · · Score: 1

      It isn't just about what's on TV, but also the channel packages that are forced upon the us in order to get the channels that we might actually WANT to watch. Rather than letting us pick only the channels we want, we are forced to get a package that includes 500 channels... 490 of which we'll never watch, 5 more of which will be watched once every other month, 3 that will be watched once a week, and 2 that might get more regular viewing. If we could customize our content, that would go a long way toward fixing what's wrong with TV.

    109. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      re: Trends

      My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic - at least the characters learn from their occasional bouts of idiocy.

    110. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you've hit the nail on the head, as they say. Just don't forget to add yourself to the list...

    111. Re:TV ain't broken? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      If you haven't yet, watch Louie on TBS.

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    112. Re:TV ain't broken? by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Funny

      "My cat's breath smells like cat food."

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    113. Re:TV ain't broken? by dropadrop · · Score: 1

      This.

      There is very little to watch, and it might not be on at the right time. Sure you can record it if you remember to, but if you don't you are out of luck. I was putting my kid to bed and ran a bit late, missing 15 minutes from the beginning of the last episode of some decent series I've been following. If TV broadcasting worked like it should in this time I could just have started watching it from the beginning, but now I missed a crucial part of it. Advertisers fund most channels, and the rest get funding from the government (in the country I live in anyway). There is no logical reason for it to still work this way, but it does because

    114. Re:TV ain't broken? by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Informative

      and not one of them carries college level lectures?

      <cough>Khan Academy<cough>

      Basically, broadcast TV is for old people now. Young people don't even buy cable anymore.

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    115. Re:TV ain't broken? by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      The problem with streaming and rentals (at least here in Sweden), is that there is no browsing.

      You can't randomly stumble across Firefly and find it to be much less cheesy than it's description: "Five hundred years in the future, a renegade crew aboard a small, spacecraft tries to survive as they travel the unknown parts of the galaxy and evade warring factions as well as authority agents out to get them." or "Like a western, but in space". If you completely remove browsing from the equation, you won't find it. At least I wont, because those two descriptions sound about as cheesy as they come.

      You won't be able to leave the streaming on when you're done watching one show, and come back to find something that makes you go "hmm ... let's see what this is and then get hooked on a new show or movie".

      You certainly won't be finding any shows or movies that are "old". When's the last time you found Casablanca or The Maltese Falcon while streaming? I've stumbled across both of those on TV on weekend afternoons, and the only reason I watched them, is because I stumbled across them, because I wouldn't be actively seeking out a movie from the 1940s and '50.

      The reason TV works, is because I can browse pretty much for free - I just pay for the TV set. Sure, I won't be able to decide what to watch, but it does expose me to stuff I haven't seen before - stuff I wouldn't want to pay a small fortune for, just to find out it sucks.

    116. Re:TV ain't broken? by greenlead · · Score: 1

      See UWTV (University of Washinton Television, http://www.uwtv.org/) They have a cable channel, but I usually watch their content on the Internet.

    117. Re:TV ain't broken? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      So far the only answer to these problems has been BitTorrent.

      Hulu?

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    118. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullhickey. I'd watch Youtube at that resolution when it's a computer monitor 2 feet from me, but there's no way I'm tolerating that on a 50 inch screen 10 feet away.

    119. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > there's lots of good shows I'd like to watch: The...

      At first I thought you were a network executive surreptitiously plugging the WB network.

      Current content is new- if you are young. But the industry has been copying itself for years now. New shows resemble old so thoroughly. At this point, why not just do away with the show altogether and simply stream commercials? Half the shows are commercials anyway.

      And as for movies, its pretty bad when the only accepted source material is bodice-rippers and comic books. Green Lantern? What's next, a movie about Marvin, Wendy, and Wonderdog?

    120. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anrego · · Score: 1

      It may have changed, but the bring issue I had with the cable thing was the cost to get the handful of channels I actually watched combined with the frequency I actually watched them was starting to get ridiculous.

      I found that discovery channel became fairly repetitive. It may no longer be the case, but I found they would basically run the same lineup and same episodes all week. I get that there isn't enough content to have new episodes every day.. but at least give me some variety in the re-runs.

      I also found the comedy channel got old. Too much of a good(ish) thing I guess.

      The final straw was they raised rates (yet again), and I realized I hadn't had the TV on in like a month.. so I said to hell with it.

      Now Aliant (my ISP) has some TV over internet type deal (along with fiber) going.. so I might give it another go.

    121. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's how it will work when the studios that create the shows shift from being paid by the networks to being paid by the streaming video providers - netflix amazon hulu etc.
      And then the networks will eat shit and die and so will traditional TV.

    122. Re:TV ain't broken? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      You know. If you are really interested in that kind of content, then you can just buy it. Search the web. Order from companies that offer such materials for sale, or just pirate it via the Torrents.

      What? You thought Torrents only had dreck from Hollywood?

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    123. Re:TV ain't broken? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      I don't watch much TV because I just don't have the time

      This neatly answers the question of what's wrong with TV: It doesn't fit into people's schedules. If you're not available when the TV company is broadcasting then you're out of luck.

      Um, not only did the OP not mention a schedule conflict - you seem to miss the existence of time shifting via DVR's. (Though suspiciously you then discuss them a paragraph later.)
       

      Then there's all the timewasting adverts. You might think a show starts at 10:30 but the broadcasters see the schedule time as a way to get you sitting down to watch a few adverts, nothing more. You might waste 20 minutes before it actually starts (at least, that's what they do around here).

      I can't tell where 'around here' is for you, but every DVR I've ever seen has a mechanism to get around this - the fast forward button.
       

      Yes there's TIVO to timeshift things but it's only a half measure. You still have to be sitting in the right room in front of the right screen and you have to remember to program it to record the shows you want.

      Well, you exaggerate greatly here. The ability to (legally) share content within your home is fairly widespread and growing. And seriously, if you can't remember to take five minutes to program your DVR to grab the shows you want... well, you have bigger problems than not enough time to watch them. Tivo makes it even easier, as it takes only five minutes to set up to grab all the episodes of a given show.
       
      Or, to put it another way - you're reply is nothing but a convoluted collection of exaggerations, half truths, and evasions to allow you to justify piracy and get in a karma whoring dig at the MPAA/RIAA.

    124. Re:TV ain't broken? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Funny that you should say all of that, because I finished watching Episode 1 of "The Prisoner" right now. I think Casablanca was probably also on the "100 films to see before you die" type list I saw on LoveFilm.

      You can browse for free on Netflix and LoveFilm. You can try things even if they sound cheesy. Pretty much all sci-fi sounds cheesy if you try to summarise the concept in one sentence.

      You just have to change your habits rather than thinking the way the TV pushers want you to think. I'd hate to discover a TV show halfway through the season. If I did happen to see something I liked, I certainly wouldn't watch it on TV schedule. I don't even use PVRs any more. I just wait until the series is out and I can watch it in my own time.

      The reason TV works, is because I can browse pretty much for free - I just pay for the TV set. Sure, I won't be able to decide what to watch, but it does expose me to stuff I haven't seen before - stuff I wouldn't want to pay a small fortune for, just to find out it sucks.

      Here in the UK we have to pay a TV license if we use live TV broadcasts. £145.50 a year for a colour TV. You are allowed to use BBC iPlayer and other such services without paying the license though. I pay less than £145.50 per year for unlimited LoveFilm streaming, and 2 discs at home at any time. Sometimes I upgrade the package to include games.. I'm definitely saving compared to when I used to buy a few movies each month and pay half of the TV license.

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    125. Re:TV ain't broken? by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 1

      Whatever the cable companies decide to let you do, cutting your bill is not among them. Their incremental cost of providing you with channels is essentially zero.

      Not exactly. The cost to provide additional 'channels' is insignificant. The cost to provide 'content' for those channels is rather expensive for anything worth watching.

      Just watch the standard bickering between sports channels and the various big Cable Co's over pricing.

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    126. Re:TV ain't broken? by xaxa · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Open University is a distance-learning university in the UK. They used to broadcast material (not just lectures) overnight on BBC 2, but it seems they stopped this a few years ago. Shame.

      Some of it might be here, or else that might be the new "general audience" stuff.

      The OU website says "Virtual microscopes, interactive laboratories and online collaborations have taken the place of home experiment kits sent through the post, while late night TV programmes have been replaced by DVDs and online videos".

    127. Re:TV ain't broken? by Myopic · · Score: 5, Interesting

      ...and this brings us to the OTHER thing wrong with TV, which is ads.

      According to this artucle, advertising to one viewer during one show costs between two and four cents. There are, what, maybe ten commercials per half-hour. Thus, broadcasters should be able to sell me a show for between twenty and forty cents, and INCREASE their profits because now they don't have to pay ad salesmen and all the other nonsense surrounding ads.

      So far, I don't know of any broadcaster offering me prime-time content for twenty cents. If any ever does, I'll put the pennies on the table; but if they want me to pay ten times MORE than that, then I decline their unethical offer and choose to get my entertainment ethically, by downloading it for free.

    128. Re:TV ain't broken? by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It also has pretty crappy resolution and rather limited selection.

      All of the streaming services suffer from this same problem.

      They actually manage to make the visual quality of cable look good.

      Plus there's that whole potential problem of bandwidth caps.

      Capturing bits off of a "broadcast stream" makes more sense for a number of reasons.

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    129. Re:TV ain't broken? by dahl_ag · · Score: 1

      Here are some instructions for building a dirt cheap antenna. I have this one in my attic and it pulls in stations from 50 miles away. Not bad for some 14 gauge wire, a 2x4 and some aluminum foil. And I agree that the HD looks way better. My TV viewing is now worth every penny ;-)

      Gray-Hoverman Antenna

    130. Re:TV ain't broken? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to pay for 150 channels. This is why I don't have cable. I'll reevaluate when they offer a la carte at a reasonable price. I'd really like to support Jon Stewart, Conan, and Louis CK financialy, but signing up for cable is a bridge too far.

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    131. Re:TV ain't broken? by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      What you describe actually sounds a lot like netflix on demand. Except netflix needs a bit wider selection and access to this seasons episodes.

    132. Re:TV ain't broken? by rnturn · · Score: 1

      "Back in the day you put up an antenna and got free TV"

      We gave up on cable -- mainly because of the cost -- back in the early '90s. It just wasn't worth it to pay the ever increasing cable bill just to see 2-3 new movies each month -- often scheduled in the middle of the day and conflicting with something else you wanted to tape -- and then the rest of the month was Elton John in concert. We really haven't missed it it at all. The Sopranos? Didn't see that and we're all still doing just fine. The Real Housewives of East Gumshoe Idaho? Couldn't care less. We live just south of the WI border and the OTA stations we get from Chicago are more than enough.

      "I can tell you that OTA HD is so much better than the recomppessed crap on cable. If you live in a good sized city or near one I really suggest getting a cheap set of rabbit ears and see what you can get OTA. You may be shocked.

      I haven't really noticed the difference since we don't have cable and when I'm at a friend's house it's not to watch TV. But I have had people come over and while we might be in another room while the kids are watching something on TV we'll hear someone comment on what a great picture we get. Most stuff is crystal clear. (Though I would really like to see Universal Sports buy some damned HD cameras for their cycling and track & field coverage.)

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    133. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't blame TV for bad programming - If its on for more than a season its only because the masses watch it with religious fervor.

    134. Re:TV ain't broken? by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      All of those stations are on a fast-track road to Reality TV Hell. :( Sadly.

      I was just bitching about SyFy turning into the horror movie channel. WTF?!

    135. Re:TV ain't broken? by kheldan · · Score: 1

      The issue we're discussing isn't the programming (although most of it is atrocious), we're discussing the techical aspects of it -- and I don't think the technical aspects are really why they keep changing it. Like most things it's all about profit. We can easily make TVs that last for years and years, more or less problem-free. What they want is to convince us to keep buying newer TVs. Making them break down sooner ultimately doesn't work, because people will stop buying that brand. So the alternative is to convince people they need the newest shiny. Me? I still have a 27" standard-def CRT TV, and I have TiVo. I'm perfectly happy, until the day comes that the set quits on me.

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    136. Re:TV ain't broken? by zraider · · Score: 1
    137. Re:TV ain't broken? by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Or do straight from your TV.

      TVs have evolved with the times, friend.

    138. Re:TV ain't broken? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      I can't speak about bandwidth caps because I have none with Verizon Fios. In terms of resolution, my Roku brings in 720p and higher from Netflix and Amazon on my TV. The picture quality beats the picture quality I see on my GF's television: digital cable box with HDMI connection to the screen. In terms of content selection, I highly disagree; I have no problem finding a vast selection of entertaining video content on a Roku. Coming back to the cable TV set-top box, its selection is limited to relatively current episodes of a small selection of shows...and its costs more.

      The broadcast spectrum is being put to horrible waste in its current form...THAT is what is wrong with TV, along with the public's sense of entitlement to free and cheap television programming. Shut down every transmitter and reclaim the bandwidth for a national wireless network that any content provider can tap into. That is the closest thing you can achieve to applying free market ideals to a limited resource (ie, broadcast frequencies). Anything less is corporate welfare for a small group of content providers that are holding regional monopolies over the EM spectrum.

    139. Re:TV ain't broken? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      TV? That's that icon on my desktop which also does time shifting/entertainment archiving... and can be dragged to another LCD if needed.

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    140. Re:TV ain't broken? by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The best thing about the Simpsons is that it's the best way to tell if someone's funny or not. If they quote it, they're not.

      For the word "funny", substitute "intelligent" and you are just as correct as your original statement.

      Discounting content, the problem with TV is Scheduled Delivery.

      People want to watch when they have time, not when the networks want them to watch. Some, like comcast have some shows that you can watch whenever you want, and lots of people use DVRs. But these are all crude means to get around the fact that the programs only appear on a schedule.

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    141. Re:TV ain't broken? by JustSomeProgrammer · · Score: 1

      yeah I just wish it wasn't so damn expensive for the amount of enjoyment I get out of it.

    142. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've got a better idea to fix TV: offer a public broadcaster the right to charge every home less per year than you get charged per month, ban adverts and remove the pressure to make profit. When you hear the Murdochs screaming bloody murder you'll know they're having to spend to money on improving their content to compete, which is to everybody's benefit. Yay for the BBC, which I get over free satellite, or over the air, over the internet.

    143. Re:TV ain't broken? by Kevin+Stevens · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't even mind the crackers welding hotrods, if they did any of the following:
      Explained what welding is and how it works, and about different types of welds.
      Explained why they were welding what they were welding, and what that part does.
      Actually showed some welding technique.
      Didn't try to create some fake drama about the project having to be finished on time, and some fake race the clock sequences.

      Those shows could be decent, but its all about the "drama" of the junior hotheads avoiding the wrath of the big honcho hothead, and no technical content at all.

    144. Re:TV ain't broken? by b5bartender · · Score: 1

      Pft, you kids and your instant-on solid state TVs. Real men don't mind waiting for the tubes to warm up.

    145. Re:TV ain't broken? by JustSomeProgrammer · · Score: 1

      This is netflicks streaming exactly. They have the entire star treks series all of them on demand any time. It also has suggestions based upon what you have watched.

    146. Re:TV ain't broken? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Reality TV is cheap, though TLC was always reality show based, documentaries and whatnot. It originally stood for The Learning Channel and once showed content for health care providers to fullfill continuing education requirements in the off hours.

      course, "pimp your house" shows will get LOTS of ad dollars from Home Depot, Menards, Lowe's, etc. In fact I partly blame TLC and Home Depot/Loewe's for the housing bubble.

      1. TLC shows show about couple buying a house only to upgrade it and sell it a couple of years down the line...flipping. "Flipping houses is fun and easy"

      2. Home Depot/Loewe's show commercials on "DIY is fun and easy we even have classes on how to use the stuff you buy."

      3. Bunches of people buy houses, not to live in for the rest of their lives, but to soley to flip and become instant "millionaires" who will then buy and even BIGGER house than they actually need.

    147. Re:TV ain't broken? by Sancho · · Score: 1

      And many PVRs are really horrible experiences.

      My cable company's DVR was horrible. Search was quite broken. You couldn't restrict the channels in the guide to only those which you could receive, and with basic cable, there were far more that I couldn't watch than those which I could. Overlapping schedules on TV means that I might miss the first or last few minutes of a show--and this was done intentionally during sweeps in the early 2000s (to keep you on the channel for 10 minute after the half-hour mark.) The guide also shows a giant ad, meaning I only get to see 4 channels at a time. And turning on closed captioning requires rebooting the PVR. I'm not kididng.

      We swapped it for a TiVo, and then had a horrible time getting a cable card. After finally getting one, it was broken. The second only received local channels, not the whole basic cable package. TiVo is better--you can create a list of channels you get--but search is still bad and you still easily miss portions of shows.

    148. Re:TV ain't broken? by KhabaLox · · Score: 1

      You're answer is that TV is not broken, and your evidence is that people watch YouTube on smart phones?

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    149. Re:TV ain't broken? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      What happened to my beloved "Hitler Channel"?

      Dicsovery's "Military Channel" is now the "Hitler Channel", thank goodness they finally spun all the guns and stuff off for the Panzer obsessed bearded Mil-sim heads to watch while leaving real history for the History Channel....oh wait....that's what was supposed to happen.

    150. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you should see the looks on their face when I, 15 year long IT professional, say I not only don't have a tv, I don't have any internet service at home. however my boss just bought me a damn Verizon Hotspot so that claim is coming to an end :(

    151. Re:TV ain't broken? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      It should be called the File Footage Fapfest.

      No need for OC when you can repackage the same shit and you audience are too far into senile dementia to know the difference.

      That's a bit scary when you think about what FUTURE iterations of the History Channel will cover once the current gummers die off.

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    152. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the reason they won't offer A la carte programming....

      Why would they want 70% less money? Unless they are seriously about to go under (not going to happen based on profits for any year going way back) they have no need to change their practice as it makes them the most money.

      The only way to get change is to cut off their money supply; and that unfortunately, is you.

      [Family of 5, stay at home wife; cable free for 5+ years who all LOVE movies/TV -- but that $65 a month buys a LOT of movies and Series -- I got 9 movies and 1 series sitting on my DVD for playing when I get a chance as is -- OTA gives me 4 channels, and my kids are currently enjoying the first 3 seasons of the Muppet Show (AND LOVING IT)]

    153. Re:TV ain't broken? by Mista2 · · Score: 1

      I have cable, my Internet is delivered on it. 8) will be replaced by fibre the instant it rolls down my street.
      I look at a screen all day long, after the kids have gone to bed, I kick back and relax, in my den with my 32" display on my desktop PC, or on the couch with my iPad (unless my wife grabbed it first) then spend an hour or so catching up on what my friends have been into, waste a little time with zinga, then maybe watch an hour or so of video (note not necessarily TV) this might be a DVD from a mail rental service, a web tv show.
      Thanks to stupid international zones and rights, there is no streamed Netflix here, and the tv catch up services are web only and not all channels have it, and filled with ads, so I watch video from elsewhere. I'd buy access to it if I could, but no one in NZ seems to be interested in selling it to me in a format I can use.
      If you want to reinvent tv, put a player interface in front of a bit torrent service! Anything you want, whenever you want, on whatever device you want. I'd pay for that, and I don't want to have another settop box for each and every service!

    154. Re:TV ain't broken? by Forbman · · Score: 1

      UFC is moving to Discovery Science since it ended it's run on Versus!

      And you thought Discovery Networks couldn't screw up yet another topical channel.

    155. Re:TV ain't broken? by Mista2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stop the stupid new format on discovery shows:
      Credits, 10 minutes telling you what's combing up in the show.
      Ad break
      Quick recap, some content, then a few more clips of things to come
      Ad break
      Recap of the previous segment, a little new content, and again the same 10 second teaser clip
      Adbreak
      Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz oh shit, I go so bored I switched it off, so I don't know what comes next.

    156. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Technology is not the answer" - unless of course your question is "how can we erect ever-higher barriers to entry to this market to keep out new competitors?"

      But as so often, technology is the answer to questions of the form "how do we protect our nice profitable little cartel?" Which is obviously far more important than "how do we deliver a better service?"

    157. Re:TV ain't broken? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Early days of television introduced viewers to drama playhouse productions, singing by people who actually had crafted their talent for decades rather than learned to moan into a microphone at the age of sixteen, presented thoughtful roundtable discussions etc. In short, all the sort of stuff that catered to what was believed to be a cultured public with high expectations.

      I take it you weren't actually around for the early days of television?

      It is wishful thinking to believe that TV has changed much over the years - bad sitcoms are as old as TV (though I must admit to a fondness for Lucille Ball over much of what's on right now), one-sided roundtable discussions were all the rage, Bob Denver was playing idiots all the way back into the 50's, etc, etc, etc.

      If we'd wanted "culture", we'd have it on TV. But we don't, so it isn't.

      What we want is mostly light entertainment (which we generally get). Expecting TV to be more is a fantasy, since putting on hundreds of channels of culture will just get hundreds of channels ignored in favour of NCIS (go Abby!) or the Simpsons (which I, alas, have never watched, never having seen the appeal of a badly drawn primetime cartoon - Bugs Bunny I'll take, Bart Simpson I have no used for).....

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    158. Re:TV ain't broken? by Mista2 · · Score: 1

      TWiT do this now. Leo Laports model is the way of the future. You can watch live if you are in the right time zone, many of the simple talking head shows are on audio podcasts too, so I grab them for the gym or listening to on the way to work.
      I tend to get product review casts as vid casts, and some neat stuff on electric cars, green power, politics, comedy, the same way. Audio and video podcasts are my tv now.

    159. Re:TV ain't broken? by blair1q · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cable's not worth it any more.

      Seriously. I have something north of 500 tunable channels, maybe 1000, and there are times there isn't one watchable thing on any of them because hundreds are showing infomercials and Everybody Loves Raymond reruns.

      And it makes perfect sense to the businesses that feed the cable company content.

      That's the world that your local business school wants us to live in.

    160. Re:TV ain't broken? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      "Like a western, but in space".

      It should, perhaps, be noted that Star Trek was originally sold as "Wagon Train" to the stars.

      And for those who might be senile enough to be unaware, yes, "Wagon Train" was a western....

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    161. Re:TV ain't broken? by PsychoKiller · · Score: 1

      What about a t-shirt? http://teamcoco.com/buy-gear

    162. Re:TV ain't broken? by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Are you noticing how you're moving further and further away from the "Just sit down and relax" topic? By now you are actively starting to search, research, compare etc., when most people just want to sit down and relax after a long day at work.

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    163. Re:TV ain't broken? by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      You have a strange definition of improve.

    164. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You != most people. With streaming you HAVE to have the impetus, you have to actually find the content you want. With TV, you sit down and turn it on. If you are easy to please, you might not even have to change the channel, most people will maybe flip a few times but it takes much less effort than finding interesting things on the internet. Also, when the internet gives you that power, and you are watching content that isn't great, you always have a nagging sensation that you should find something else, because you can. With TV, people are more complacent. And there is nothing wrong with that.

      TV isn't broken. It's one model that fits a use case. Finding content on the net fits another use case. Companies have been trying to merge them but with limited success. Perhaps if tv channels worked a bit like pandora, with the next incoming show being something you will generally like, and you can say "no actually I dont like this", it could be a bit better, but I don't know, it sounds complicated and prone to error for a lot of people.

      I don't own a TV and watch stuff through the net or on friends dvr, but that's just because I don't fit the group of tv watchers where the tv is a good fit. It's still a good fit for a large population.

    165. Re:TV ain't broken? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Don't see much difference between clicking on an interesting looking album or movie and clicking the "change channel" button. You're not stuck with your first choice.

      If you want the complete TV experience, you could even just only watch the last 10 minutes of the movie.

      Admittedly I put more effort into finding a good movie than when using Spotify, since movies are 2 hours and not 3 minutes, and once I start a movie I like to finish it. Unless it's even worse than Macgruber. With TV shows, you try the 1st episode, and continue if you like it. Services like Amazon, Netflix and LoveFilm do personal recommendations too - so you don't have to think if you really don't want to. If you're happy to completely waste the time it's your own choice though. I'd rather go for a walk if I want to relax with no demanding stimulus.

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    166. Re:TV ain't broken? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Isn't Discovery Science mostly science fiction and art projects revolving around themes of fake new planets and dinosaurs?

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    167. Re:TV ain't broken? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      mplayer lets you increase the speed while keeping the pitch the same. It seems to work pretty well up to about 120-140%, depending on the audio, before you start caring about the artifacts. (mostly voice seems to work a lot better than mostly music, for instance)

      In other words, if you're willing to do some tinkering with the myth font end, you could squeeze another two or three half-hours into your solid hour of watching.

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    168. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear your complaint loud & clear. I have AT&T's 'Fiber to the Home' U-Verse U300 package, and free HD for a year. If all I want is to check out the hockey game, its likely on a station I can't record it on, and actually get to watch it during the hours I am not working, at school, shopping, or some other task. No NHL network either.

      I find that to dig out those gems that I actually do want to watch I have to spend quite a bit of time scrolling through the guide on the channels with some actual content to pull out the gems. I record some dogs in the process, but its a bit of work to get a decent ROI from the TV portion of the package. The internet is decent, the equipment it runs on has operated nearly flawlessly, the phone service (other than the delay in getting a dial tone) is great. So I don't feel like its bad deal. Its just the kind of deal that seems to work out much better for everyone else in the house but me. Kids love it for the inane cartoons. My wife loves it for the travel, home decorating, cooking, and train wreck shows I could live without. Other than the military channels occasionally deviating from the WWII all of the time format, its just not something I would pay for without others to consider.

    169. Re:TV ain't broken? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      at least get the line right... he voted kodos!!

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    170. Re:TV ain't broken? by KhabaLox · · Score: 1

      Is Khan Academy available on Roku? I have an IPTV in the living room, but most of my viewing is done in the bedroom. The TED channel is interesting enough, but some fll fledged History or Economics lectures would be really cool.

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    171. Re:TV ain't broken? by reboot246 · · Score: 1


      Which old people are you referring to? I'm 58 and get most of my tv viewing through a Roku box. I haven't watched network tv in YEARS. Local tv stations are useful for live sports and news, and I get them through rabbit ears.

      Even my 77 year old mother avoids network broadcasts!

    172. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isnt this pretty close to the existing tv show download pricing structure from Apple, etc ?

      On Amazon, a 1hr show such as Fringe get $1.99 per episode for new content but as low as $0.77 for older content when you purchase an entire season. The article you referenced doesnt specify if the stated pricing was for first run or rerun shows. My guess is re-run shows. A 30 minute re-run costs 39 cents and a 30 minute first run 99 cents. That seems fairly within your range of request.

    173. Re:TV ain't broken? by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      The problem with TV is the cost to get what I want. My FiOS TV costs half of my $200 Verizon Bill (Internet and Phone are also on it). Which isn't much value to me, but is to my wife and son. I watch 3 shows regularly: Daily Show w/Jon Stewart, Pawn Stars, and now for some reason American Horror Story. I also watch the NFL and sometimes Baseball. If it wasn't for my wife, I would definitely cut off TV out of the equation, but she is a stay at home mom (cost of Daycare doesn't justify her working and having someone else raise our kids). Things like Sesame St. and Disney programming are great for my son. But of 150+ channels, we maybe hit 6 or 7 of them in a week.

      Here is how you improve TV: Offer A la Carte programming. Let me choose about 20 channels, and cut my bill about 70%. Right now, the Internet is a pain in the ass to watch TV on, but it's the best way to get the programming I want. If I could choose the channels I want, with the simplicity of DVR and a remote, for a cost that is reasonable, then TV would be in the golden age.

      I agree with everything you say. The only reason we have TV is because my wife very occasionally turns it on when she's bored. All the good shows we watch together (Dr. Who, BSG, TNG, etc.) are either streamed on Netflix, or on DVD, or loaded onto a memory card in my PS3. I subscribed to HBO to watch A Song of Ice and Fire (err, sorry, Game of Thrones) and promptly cancelled it right after. Daily Show, etc., I stream on my computer. It's a lot more convenient than DVRing it on my TV.

      A la carte is indeed the answer, but cable companies have been successfully resisting it for decades now.

    174. Re:TV ain't broken? by formfeed · · Score: 1

      You forgot reality TV..

    175. Re:TV ain't broken? by PwnzerDragoon · · Score: 1

      That almost sounds like Netflix. Almost, because half the time the show I'm looking for isn't on streaming, and they don't have currently-airing stuff. It does have Star Trek though, at least if you're in the US. I agree with you though, I have no interest in cable anymore. Between Netflix and Hulu, I have 90% of everything I'm interested in, and I have bittorrent for the rest.

      There's also the networks' web sites for things not on Hulu, but I refuse to watch TV on them, because they pretty much universally suck. Go ahead, try to watch something on CBS's web site - set it to fullscreen, maybe plug the computer in to the TV. You'll get maybe 5-10 minutes until the first commercial, at which point you start cursing the trained monkeys they have coding the player; it dumps you out of fullscreen, takes over your entire browser with an annoying, intrusive ad, and then doesn't return you to fullscreen. Yes, if you're sitting on your couch watching this on your TV, you'll have to get up every 10 minutes to click a button so you don't have to watch the show in a tiny box on your screen. And all this assumes you can even find the show, or that the current episode is available (online access is delayed several days to give everyone time to pirate it instead, if they even make it available online), or that you can watch it without having to stop and buffer every few minutes.

      CBS is an especially bad example of how to build a website, but they're all pretty bad. It's like all the networks think the internet is some passing fad and if they ignore it hard enough it will go away. I use legit sources when I can, but when said source comes just short of kicking me in the crotch for trying to watch something on it, I'll take a nice, friendly .mp4 file instead.

    176. Re:TV ain't broken? by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      I don't understand. If young people don't buy cable, why wouldn't they watch broadcast TV. It's free OTA.

    177. Re:TV ain't broken? by russotto · · Score: 1

      1. TLC shows show about couple buying a house only to upgrade it and sell it a couple of years down the line...flipping. "Flipping houses is fun and easy"

      Only if you didn't watch the shows more than once. I saw lots of them where the buyer got out barely what they put in, or lost money, and one where the buyer ended up living in a single-wide trailer having lost everything (including his marriage). And that was during the boom time.

    178. Re:TV ain't broken? by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 1

      Pft, you kids and your instant-on solid state TVs. Real men don't mind waiting for the tubes to warm up.

      Had those too. Still, it took time for those early solid state TVs to charge the capacitors too.

    179. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it we have 800 channels of TV, and not one of them carries college level lectures?

      Very funny. Oh, wait.. you are serious. I see....

      Seriously, to anyone with a life, that fact is a good thing!

    180. Re:TV ain't broken? by VRisaMetaphor · · Score: 1

      I'm with you. Trouble is, most people assume I don't have cable because I can't afford it. I told my parents I was canceling cable, and they started buying groceries for me. Not that I'm complaining.

    181. Re:TV ain't broken? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Many people get maybe 3 English channels - either because they live too far from the city or because they are in an apartment building and the signal bounces around too much (New York).

      If you are lucky enough to get OTA, you might not need cable for the only real reason it is still useful - sports. But it might be more fun to spend that $100/month watching games at the local bar.

      I'm old so I have cable - but only because the price is the same if you bundle internet or just get a la carte internet. I'll never understand that...

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    182. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if something DOES come along worth watching, they cancel it right around episode 14.

      Still pissed about Firefly?
      I know I am.

    183. Re:TV ain't broken? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Sorry to do this to you, but it is the first link on Google :)

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    184. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but we're spoiled now you see. This started with the VCR and has gone exponentially bananas with digital distribution. We used to be content to sift through whatever channels were broadcasting now and choose the least worst option, because the alternative was listening to the radio or going for a walk. Nowadays I won't even get to the end of a new program I don't like, I just wander off or go surf the net or something. So TV is broke, and the only fix is to develop a one-on-one relationship with each punter and give them what they want, Note that this is an impossible situation for a media device that expects 3 or 4 people to sit down and watch it together.

    185. Re:TV ain't broken? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      LOL... I think "old" in this case is anyone who remembers CDs :)

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    186. Re:TV ain't broken? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      My net isn't fast enough. It's DSL. I barely can get low quality stuff. Then I need to dump the old TV, dump the satellite, dump all boxes there, research and buy some sort of set top box that can handle this, rewire the house so I can get network downstairs, etc. Or I get cable with cable internet at which point I could just keep the cable (I did ask AT&T salespeople if I could get uverse for internet w/o their gawdawful tv and worst dvr in the industry but they don't like that). There are no other internet options available.

      It works now so I don't need to change. Streaming isn't going to improve anything for me.

    187. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Why is it we have 800 channels of TV, and not one of them carries college level lectures? There are professors out there giving lectures every day. It would cost next to nothing to record them and air them, and would give the 5% of us who actually like to use our brains something to watch.

      There are at least three channels in my area which do just that. Granted, two of them are public television and the other is the local university system (yes, this is in the USA). But they are, in fact, there.

    188. Re:TV ain't broken? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That includes the network connection too? And subscriptions to all those services? Can I download a file in the background without screwing up the video, I know it screws up youtube and games when I do that? Can I get a reminder service that says a new episode is out that I haven't seen (in lieu of recording via DVR)?

      Normal TV is ok for me. When it's not ok I'll stop watching TV altogether.

    189. Re:TV ain't broken? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Um, yeah; the things that an individual has witnessed are rarely an indication of said individual's intelligence level. But please, continue with your tribalism. It's fun to watch.

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    190. Re:TV ain't broken? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      FYI, since Slashdot doesn't let you know this: I friended you after reading this comment. I'm living similarly, even though you could be my dad (barely).

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    191. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually.. the state university near me does broadcast lectures. Unfortunately, only one channel is used for this, and the selection of lectures is generally from the low level classes that satisfy the general education requirements. And this practice is fading, because straight up online classes provide more information to more students in more convenient segments.

      So, I guess.. it isn't what you're imagining, even if it is technically what you're describing..

    192. Re:TV ain't broken? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      VLC does this as well. I've trained my brain to be able to watch a Blockbuster rental at 20% faster, or sometimes even 30 or 40% faster (depending on the number of walking scenes). With captions on so I don't miss the dialog (I've been using captions for 15 years, ever since having a foreign girlfriend). It's great to be able to watch three movies in the time of two. And, as you mentioned, VLC keeps the pitch the same, so they don't sound like chipmunks (unless you're watching one of those movies).

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    193. Re:TV ain't broken? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      The Guns and Hitler channel.

      At least that stuff was on topic.

      Well, yeah it was, until someone Godwinned it...

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    194. Re:TV ain't broken? by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      Seriously. I can deal with 22 minutes of commercials every hour but between the so called "watermarks", 1/3rd screen pop-over ads, screen scrollers, product placement, "breaking news" interruptions, and product "reviews". There's almost no point to watching TV - the experience is so much better on DVD.

    195. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus, broadcasters should be able to sell me a show for between twenty and forty cents, and INCREASE their profits because now they don't have to pay ad salesmen and all the other nonsense surrounding ads.

      You are of course assuming that when you increase the price that the demand stays the same, which everyone knows is false. This is compounded by the fact that it is currently effectively free, so the change in demand is going to be rather more drastic.

    196. Re:TV ain't broken? by Guppy · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Why is it we have 800 channels of TV, and not one of them carries college level lectures? There are professors out there giving lectures every day. It would cost next to nothing to record them and air them, and would give the 5% of us who actually like to use our brains something to watch.

      Could usually find some good stuff on PBS. The Mechanical Universe was a great example of a college lecture-type program.

    197. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the cable company paid *me*, I might watch a college professor teach.

    198. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I have recently recorded a whole bunch of Harry Potters aired by ABC Family for my daughter. I'm using EyeTV, and I had to edit the commercials afterwards (it won't auto-skip, and I don't blame it, it's hard to auto-detect). For a 2.5hr movie, they add an extra 1hr of commercials. I kid you not. It's disgusting. How much money do they get, per show per subscriber, from ad revenue? I'd gladly pay a dollar to watch/record the whole damn thing without interruptions. I don't believe they get more than a buck from ads, heck, I think they'd get more money from me than from ads. That's why TV is broken. Because the fucktards in charge fail at elementary math.

    199. Re:TV ain't broken? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I think part of it is selective memory. We remember good shows like I Love Lucy or The Honeymooners but duds of that era are long forgotten. (Ok, some people might recall but most people don't.)

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    200. Re:TV ain't broken? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Yeah right. I'm far less likely to watch (and enjoy) a significant portion of a show I've never seen when I flip to it, probably arriving in the middle and likely getting there just in time to be interrupted by a commercial. I probably won't even know what it is if I've never seen it before, and I'm not likely to go look up a guide and find out.

      On the other hand, flicking through shows available for streaming I can see a synapses, start it from the beginning (beginning of the episode AND start with the pilot) and if I do like it the name is right there - I don't have to do anything to find it.

    201. Re:TV ain't broken? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      People happily watch YouTube clips at pretty close to standard def TV resolution, highly compressed, on their smartphones, choosing to watch what they want.

      Now, think what YouTube would be like if it was just a series of channels and you couldn't actually choose individual videos. Not far behind that horror is television.

      The display tech isn't broken. The delivery tech (or lack thereof) is. And that's reflected in the waning numbers of TVs in the world.

    202. Re:TV ain't broken? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Before Discovery Civ showed crap, it was a fantastic channel. I still remember "Connections." Even the biblical shows were archaeology.

    203. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There IS something wrong with TV tech. If there weren't, your grandma would have been able to install and operate her own surround sound 15 years ago.

      What's wrong is that they keep trying to enforce COPYRIGHT with technology.

      Just about everything that's wrong with TV tech can be traced back to that.

    204. Re:TV ain't broken? by fferreres · · Score: 2

      You were doing great until ...

      >actually this describes the state of the internet too

      I couldn't disagree more. What content is missing from internet? Movies? No Newspapers? No. Personal opinions/blogs? No. Social reactions? No. Journals of any kind? No TV? No. Research? No. technical articles? No. Documentation? Dictionaries? No? Images? No. Photography? No. Just about anything you can think of can be assessable in a myriad of ways, from paid content that's just "buy and access", to 100% free, to high quality but with ads, to just about any other possible method. There are even full university courses by prestigious universities. I don't know why I felt like explaining this, it's just self evident.

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    205. Re:TV ain't broken? by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      This makes the assumption that you receive no advice on viewing from friends, forums, Facebook, services specific for this task etc.

    206. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 sir

    207. Re:TV ain't broken? by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

      However with broadcast TV I might stumble onto the big bang theory and leave it on a few minutes and find I enjoy it. Then I can go download the rest and watch it marathon style without commercials if I so choose.

      Watch the first season then turn it off. It turned into the Sheldon Cooper show and is starting to ooze more and more estrogen that it needs to move to OWN channel.
      I always believed when a show starts introducing new characters it is time to end it.

      Amy Farrah Fowler has easily been a huge improvement to the show, despite her somewhat rocky introduction.

    208. Re:TV ain't broken? by GNious · · Score: 3, Informative

      (note: Am parent, but don't watch morning TV/Cartoons, and not an expert on TV/ads)

      The kids can easily sit through the commercials: They see them as part of the regular content, with the ads being created to specifically keep them entertained/focused/zombified, using loud noises and fast changes to "pacify" them.

      My kids even find ads on YouTube (I know, bad parenting here) and watch that just as gladly as some cartoon or kitten-video.

    209. Re:TV ain't broken? by GNious · · Score: 1

      That's a writing/funding problem, NOT a technical issue.

      This.

      People will happily watch YouTube clips at 480 x 320 resolution, low frame rate, highly compressed, on their smartphones. Technology is not the answer.

      People are strange - I'm getting annoyed, if the quality of my Daily Show online drop even a bit, as I expect to get a clear picture :)

    210. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the content is broken, not the container. It's not by changing the way the TV works that programs will be better !

    211. Re:TV ain't broken? by w0mprat · · Score: 1

      So it's a content and distribution problem. The platform is just fine. I don't watch much TV but the few shows I do like take a month or more to make it to TV in my area and are usually edited to hell for extra ad breaks. I'm faced with a stark choice, break the law for a better product, or go without. Many movies do same day worldwide release, why has it not happened with TV?

      I have to wait a few months for the latest Top Gear season to come to my country, or I can pirate the episodes, which happen to have an extra 15 minutes of footage and no ad breaks. It's ironic when the completely free service, with zero funding, ad hoc with no special infrastructure of it's own, offers a better service than the legit commercial product.

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    212. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Why is it we have 800 channels of TV, and not one of them carries college level lectures? There are professors out there giving lectures every day. It would cost next to nothing to record them and air them, and would give the 5% of us who actually like to use our brains something to watch.

      UCTV from the University of California available on Comcast, Time Warner, and other TV providers.

    213. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may only cost them three or four cents to show you the ad, but how much did the advertiser pay them to show the ad? The lost profit is what they want to make up for.

      Don't get me wrong, i agree with what your saying, but your logic is just a little bit off.

    214. Re:TV ain't broken? by doccus · · Score: 1

      I think actually the saturday morning cartoons are the absolute highest in ad content. Period. And then you've got the cartoons which are now only ads in disguise.. Remember, their training a new generation of little Consumers tio Get Stuff .. it;'s 'good to 'get stuff', to learn to be big Gordon Geckos when they grow up

    215. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [..]
      news shows: Reporters are gullible stupid idiots
      Futurama: Aliens are stupid idiots.

      Fox: ......... are ...... ...... (fill the blanks)

      Definitely a trend, agree.

    216. Re:TV ain't broken? by doccus · · Score: 1

      Yup that's pretty much how it works now..Where I live cable is getting cut off everywhere unless you switch to digital boxes. No airwaves anymore. No analog TV anymore.. even though we only had 40 some odd stations here, as opposed to the US.. No free TV ever again. And you can't just use any old digital box, but *theirs*.. as of tomorrow, in fact.. I just google what I want to see, now, seeing as I have to pay for 'net anyways..

    217. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Straw man, or misinterpretation. His statement was that TV can't be fixed with better technology, until technology can cheaply produce a million monkeys on a million typewriters.

    218. Re:TV ain't broken? by stiggle · · Score: 1

      In the UK, the BBC used to carry "Open University" which was distance learning courses shown when there weren't normal shows on. Now with 24 hour rolling news, where they used to show the OU they now show news.
      Now they just ship students DVD or have them access stuff online.

    219. Re:TV ain't broken? by SomePgmr · · Score: 1

      Yes it is. The Roku channel I have is labeled as unofficial, but it works nicely.

      Interesting side note... the Kindle Fire wants to change Roku into Romulus.

    220. Re:TV ain't broken? by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

      Me too, at the moment the only real-time tv I watch is the news, and even that's not very often. Sometimes I'll manage to catch an F1 or IndyCar race, if I manage to remember, and be in my house, and not busy. TV Shows I get via bittorrent and watch when I get around to it, I'm about a year behind most series now but have plenty of HD space to keep grabbing new episodes as they come out :). My HTPC is built to look just like a standard DVD player (I repurposed the case), has a remote and boots straight into XBMC, so even the kids can operate it (my porn is not in XBMC, it's deeply buried in a nested folder structure elsewhere!)

      Though this model isn't entirely new, a previous work colleague of mine only watched TV shows when they were released on DVD.

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    221. Re:TV ain't broken? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Remember when History had history programming?

      The History Channel should do a special about the type of programming they used to play. It would be more on-topic than most of their programming now and slightly dada at the same time.

    222. Re:TV ain't broken? by dkf · · Score: 1

      Seriously, there is about zero content that isn't badly drawn cartoons, sitcoms/dramas written so as to be palatable to 90-IQ types, straight-up propaganda, or infomercials.

      I agree, but I'm just trying to work out what the TV news counts as. (Probably not "badly drawn cartoons" but it's hard to be sure there.) Could you help?

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    223. Re:TV ain't broken? by tenco · · Score: 1

      Sorry, currently our video library can only be watched from within the United States

    224. Re:TV ain't broken? by DThorne · · Score: 1

      Yup. Geeks are the vast minority. People are happy with "good enough ". As mentioned elsewhere, the problem is the writing, and to be more accurate, which writers get the money. When you write a series proposal or bible, you damned well better have a phrase near the beginning along the lines of "think Battlestar Galactica meets The Smurfs " if you want to get green lit. Producers want a known entity that will guarantee profit, not something unknown or "new" that might challenge an audience. Or, god forbid, might take more than 4 episodes to be in the top 20.

      But as a reality check, pointing out poor television is like shooting fish in a barrell. There's *always* been crap on tv. As far as quality shows, there's never been more amazing stuff on television, perhaps the early experimental days excepted. Boardwalk Empire, Mad Men, American Horror Story (by the guys that did Glee, no less!), despite your personal opinion on these and other shows, they are quality stuff. The issue is the technology has created a world where it's insanely inexpensive to generate fodder about real life teen moms and fat people losing weight and delivering it to your living room for pennies a day (as part of a larger subscription package, of course). So, in a way, technology enabled this in the first place. That doesn't mean he's right, though, tv is broken, and will break further while the internet allows people to watch and pay for just what they want, when they want it. The current model can't hold up, and in fact networking the tv experience might just be a great thing for whatever tv evolves into. You will want that word of mouth information, from consumers like yourself, to guide your habits, just like I wouldn't dream of buying a coffeemaker without some googling first.

    225. Re:TV ain't broken? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      You're conflating the quality of the content with the delivery mechanism.

      You're also assuming that other people have the same tastes as you, which is unlikely to be true in general. Yet you're implying that you want your tastes imposed on them. Which is not very friendly. Next thing you know you'll be wanting to put adverts into programmes too.

      For over a decade, I was dissatisfied with the content on TV, so I saved myself a lot of money and didn't have a TV. These days, the wife does insists that we have a TV, and I use the fast-forward button over the adverts except when I watch live (very rare). These solutions work for me without imposing my will on other people (except the wife).

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    226. Re:TV ain't broken? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Basically, broadcast TV is for old people now.

      Try telling my kids that.

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    227. Re:TV ain't broken? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Yes there's TIVO to timeshift things but it's only a half measure. You still have to be sitting in the right room in front of the right screen and you have to remember to program it to record the shows you want.

      Yes, it's cruel and unusual punishment to expect me to have to sit in the same room to watch something I've recorded. It's like 1984 or something. I have an absolute human right to BitTorrents of everything every created, for free, and with free popcorn. And a free coke too.

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    228. Re:TV ain't broken? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The problem for me is that everything I like get cancelled, usually just as it is getting really good. Cancellation is at epidemic levels. I would gladly pay for more of the following:

      Stargate Universe
      Life
      The Bridge
      Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles
      Dollhouse
      Serenity
      Star Trek
      Flash Forward

      Those are just the recent ones.

      HBO seems to be about the only channel that gives shows a proper chance and is willing to invest for the long term. I worry that Dexter and House will be cancelled and the knowledge that anything I like will almost certainly be cancelled after one or two series makes me not want to watch new shows.

      Isn't Netflix making TV shows now? I'd pay for that if it were available in my country. They could even start a pledge fund for shows and once it reaches a certain point a series gets made.

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    229. Re:TV ain't broken? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      LOL, as the parent of a 2 and 5 year old, I understand :)

      Of course, they are just as happy watching YouTube as they are broadcast TV. Actually, broadcast TV pisses them off because their requests go unheard.

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    230. Re:TV ain't broken? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Ah, he threw me by referring to the MAFIAA, which is an American trade association comprised of European and Japanese companies :)

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    231. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IU == UI?

      Love it! :)

    232. Re:TV ain't broken? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      How do you watch sports without commercials? Think zippy think.....

    233. Re:TV ain't broken? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Simple answer there: I don't watch sports (unless you count Parkour as a sport)

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    234. Re:TV ain't broken? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Yes, I am.

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    235. Re:TV ain't broken? by Laurence0 · · Score: 1

      Are adverts really that bad where you are? Here in the UK, even on the worst of the ad supported channels, the programme starts pretty much when it's scheduled to. There'll typically be one 5 minute ad break in the middle of a half hour programme and another 5 minutes between programmes (rough estimates). Longer programmes have more adverts, of course, but 20 minutes of programme per half hour of real time seems to be pretty typical.

      It did mean that when The Simpsons was on BBC2 (ie, no adverts) they were able to shove it in a 20 minute slot. And that I can watch 3 episodes of The Big Bang Theory in an hour if I torrent them. Weirdest thing is watching BBC programmes like Sherlock or Jekyll since they actually last an hour, which makes them feel really long!

    236. Re:TV ain't broken? by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      I just watch Twilight Zone on Netflix. Actually I never watched it in my life before Netflix. We've seen several episodes, and I'm pretty sure they are all full length.

    237. Re:TV ain't broken? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      I agree, but I'm just trying to work out what the TV news counts as.

      Propaganda. By skewing in the reporting, by insinuating opinion, and by (generally incredibly leading) choice of content (and I use the word "content" in it's most generic form, without regard for value.)

      In my view, "news" is accurate, uncensored information about important events; it is for this reason that the press was given the enormous privilege of being singled out in the first amendment.

      That would not include Britney Spears, the fact that "the McRib is back" [shudder], or the various bread and circuses such as sports, art installations, and religious tripe of any flavor (unless it has stepped over the line into terrorism or is attempting to insinuate itself (further) into government, in which case, we should be informed about that.) It would also not include favoring coverage of one political candidate over another: equal time for everyone or no time for anyone.

      On the other hand, "news" would include events outside our borders; scientific discoveries, constitutional violations on the part of our state and federal congress, judiciary and executive levels; politicians caught in lies and making idiot remarks, etc., corruption wherever it occurs, and so on. You know, mostly the things they generally don't cover well, or at all. If I see five minutes on Michelle Bachman, then I want to see five minutes on Newt, five minutes on Romney, five minutes on Paul, etc. And in no case do I want to hear who I should be voting for. Just ask the candidates questions, or simply let them present their positions. Otherwise it's just blatant skew.

      I am speaking, of course, of US news. In the UK, your kilometerage may differ somewhat. I spent many years listening to the BBC (on shortwave) in order to get news that wasn't making it through the corporate and political shell game we call news here in the US, and I felt that the experience was far superior to anything comparable in the US. I still go to the "Beeb" on the web, and still find it generally superior to US news, but alas, the shortwave broadcasts in our direction have been terminated. There are many other sources out there now, and thank goodness I don't have to watch TV any longer to learn about important events, sans opinion and agitprop.

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    238. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the best Open University broadcasts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2un9rO2ZF4g

    239. Re:TV ain't broken? by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      TV? Is that the thing that my computer and PS3 are hooked up to?

      LOL! My setup exactly. Nice big HDTV hooked to puter and PS3, never once played a commercial.

    240. Re:TV ain't broken? by MagusSlurpy · · Score: 1

      and not one of them carries college level lectures?

      <cough>Khan Academy<cough>

      I'm not going to any school run by some megalomaniac who thinks quoting Melville as he dies is a good idea.

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    241. Re:TV ain't broken? by Tsingi · · Score: 1

      Not everyone has their home wired so that they can stream to a large screen television downstairs.

      True, it does involve installing a cable and knowing how to use a computer. People who are a regular watchers of big media television don't have these capabilities.

    242. Re:TV ain't broken? by KhabaLox · · Score: 1

      First Economics lecture did not inspire. Will try again tonight maybe.

      In other news, The Adjustment Bureau is on HBOGo and is really good. I love those PKD short stories.

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    243. Re:TV ain't broken? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

      Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

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    244. Re:TV ain't broken? by hitmark · · Score: 1

      The thing about ads is that viewers/readers/listeners are not the customer, they are the product.

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    245. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, my kids are the only reason i have cable.
      I watch everything online. They need the constant reruns on Nickelodeon and Disney.

      Even with all those channels I never use them myself.

    246. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and not one of them carries college level lectures?

      The college level lectures that are available are produced so poorly about 100% of the audience tunes out after a few minutes; there's promising technology that can change that, but the budgets of all universities are being sacked, and what is available is consumed by the hopeless bureaucracy and the can't-ever-get-fired tenure system. Generally, TV is still the best entertainment value in existence, with close-to-100% utilization in every country of the world; this warrants recognition.

    247. Re:TV ain't broken? by NickDanger3rdEye · · Score: 1

      I agree but Louie is on FX.

    248. Re:TV ain't broken? by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Then there's all the timewasting adverts. You might think a show starts at 10:30 but the broadcasters see the schedule time as a way to get you sitting down to watch a few adverts, nothing more. You might waste 20 minutes before it actually starts (at least, that's what they do around here).

      The only one that really does this is primetime football, where programming starts at x:00 but the game doesn't start until around x:20. Every other program starts pretty much exactly on time.

    249. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and if you have movie channels, even if you have hundreds of those, what's on? The same fucking movie!!! Day after day, month after month, as if there were only 20 movies ever made.

    250. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't talk, coming down.

    251. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jizzmonic Institute?

    252. Re:TV ain't broken? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, you're right. I've never actually watched it on a real TV with actual cable, so I don't really know what network it's on.

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    253. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I turned my cable box in two weeks ago. I now live off of Netflix and Hulu. I was channel surfing one day and cam across Animal Planet. I stopped for a second and found this:

      THE HAUNTED chronicles true, chilling and terrifying stories of animals and their owners who are experiencing the unexplainable.

      In each episode, a paranormal team investigates the grim cases using infrared cameras and sensitive recording devices. Does the evidence they collect point to visitors from the beyond?

      What the FUCK??? On Animal Planet. What happened to lions on the plains of Africa or whales in Alaska.

      Now they have to put this reality TV bullshit on an animal channel. I have had enough.

    254. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People will happily watch YouTube clips at 480 x 320 resolution, low frame rate, highly compressed, on their smartphones. Technology is not the answer.

      I think you accidentally showed that technology IS the answer. The question is, what is it the answer to?

      Technology is the answer to what people want. What people want more than anything is convenience. A TV that doesn't move and only shows the programs you want to watch at a particular time of week is not convenient.

      A smartphone is technology you can take anywhere and has access to friends and family with texting, Facebook, phone call, email, or live video. It has apps that do zillions of things from homework to GPS mapping to games. A smartphone is the very definition of convenient. Why do you think people are willing to pay so much for them?

    255. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly this!
      That has been my status quo for the past three-ish years. Add a long HDMI cable + wireless mouse and keyboard and the "TV" becomes living-room portal to the world.

    256. Re:TV ain't broken? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      It's not as simple as you make it out. A genuinely on demand system would require remarkably more bandwidth than is currently being employed for the task and much more than what's available currently.

      A bulk stream that you can pick things out of is not really a bad model given the state of technology and resource constraints.

      Technology would be better if incumbents weren't quite so successful at sabotaging it at every step of the way.

      AACS and Cable Card are great examples in this regard.

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    257. Re:TV ain't broken? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      No. It's: "Yes. Yes, I am".

      Get with the times man!

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    258. Re:TV ain't broken? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      In order for news to be worthwhile it needs to be detailed enough to transcend the bias of the reporter. Most "news" simply doesn't qualify. You're lucky if they get the overview right. Chances are even that's wrong and that's where a lot of "media bias" comes in.

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    259. Re:TV ain't broken? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Yes there's TIVO to timeshift things but it's only a half measure. You still have to be sitting in the right room in front of the right screen and you have to remember to program it to record the shows you want.

      Like that's such a burden.

      It isn't.

      Here is your problem right here. Most people are too lazy to even program a PVR and content to be passive consumers. So devices that might improve upon TV get little attention and have a hard time trying to make headway in the market.

      If you can't handle a Tivo, then you're too stupid to use an iPad.

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    260. Re:TV ain't broken? by tenco · · Score: 1

      If the quality of the other videos is anything like the ones for refraction and convex lenses I won't watch anymore of these. No mention of Fermat's principle when dealing with both of these and no mention of paraxial approximation when dealing with lenses? Not a good lesson.

    261. Re:TV ain't broken? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      The cable company actually gave me 3 months free of all the movie channels, probably out of fear I was going to switch to the competition (around here it's directv vs dish network vs. cable vs. the believe-it-or-not the fucking phone company). And you're completely right. 50 new channels, and I find maybe 1 movie a week worth watching, and it's usually on at some ridiculous hour. I can't believe people pay upwards of $10 per month for just a portion of these bandwidth wasters.

    262. Re:TV ain't broken? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      I have a Roku. I have an AppleTV. I tried Netflix streaming for awhile.

      The PVR still gets the biggest workout. It has more stuff and more recent stuff and it's already being paid for so that stuff has a marginal cost of zero.

      There's thoughtful stuff on cable that will never see the light of day on Amazon or Netflix or iTunes.

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    263. Re:TV ain't broken? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Firefly took it to a new and somewhat literal level. It even beat the vast majority of actual Westerns in this respect.

      That's one of the things that was interesting about it. It actually took the historical context of the Western seriously.

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    264. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the beginning of television, that is exactly what was envisioned and did indeed happen for a few years until the profit model completely took over. I have some early 'fifties workbooks (history, american government) which were mailed out to complement those courses.

    265. Re:TV ain't broken? by icebike · · Score: 1

      I never said it was simple, and I never said it had to be on demand. There are middle alternatives.

      I said the problem was that you have to get things on a schedule, and you have to be there (or have your device be there) at specific times, and you have to wait for the next one.

      But I counter your argument, and claim it is not as complex as you make it out.

      Let me subscribe easily to series I want to watch. I don't care it they cache them at the nearest head-end, or supply me with a DVR that
      can cache them in the background. Using 20 channels in the cable plant to send these in en-mass they could easily notifiy all interested cable boxes
      that their particular shows were coming, and they would have the entire collection within a day or two.

      But I see no reason to wait another week for a show I know is "already in the can" and has been for the last four months.
      I subscribe today, and they can push the series to my DVR when they have bandwidth, so all the episodes arrive at once or a few at a time, but there are always one or more there waiting for me.

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    266. Re:TV ain't broken? by cynyr · · Score: 1

      depends on how one defines "reality show"? What seems to be on a lot when I don't have the remote is "do the thing and then have the judges kick someone off after spending 15 minutes watching the judges debate about who did the thing the worst". examples of "thing"; bake cupcakes, bake a cake, cook a meal, decorate a purse, decorate some shoes, make a necklace with bird poo that was collected at the beach earlier in the show while the contestants had one are tied behind their backs. Are those reality shows?

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    267. Re:TV ain't broken? by cynyr · · Score: 1

      well made engaging documentaries of ancient peoples engineering achievements are missing from the internet.

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    268. Re:TV ain't broken? by seantide · · Score: 1

      The streaming shows are also full of ads too, and sometimes its more annoying than seeing them on TV. A couple of shows I used to watch streaming now have ads so bad I just gave up on them.

    269. Re:TV ain't broken? by seantide · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine has the upgraded cable package so she gets "History International" and it sounds like the shows there are better. I think what happened (possibly) is cable companies simply forced content to split into tiers so they could charge for "premium" content, which in some cases is what you used to get by default.

    270. Re:TV ain't broken? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the physics guy, but Sal Khan does the math stuff himself, and it seems pretty solid at least up through calculus.

      My point wasn't that Khan Academy was the end-all-be-all of learning, but that we don't need a TV channel with lectures on it because there are so many available on the internet.

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    271. Re:TV ain't broken? by Flere+Imsaho · · Score: 1

      What about the animated station logos? I was watching a downloaded copy of Supernatural this week, and it has this stupid animated The CW logo that keeps moving and hogging more and more screen real estate. It's really distracting (which I guess is the point) and takes you out of the moment.

      That and blatant product placement such as the Ford crap in the last House episode - fucking annoying, to put it mildly.

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    272. Re:TV ain't broken? by Richy_T · · Score: 1

      You forgot to tell us to get off of your lawn.

    273. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These streaming options will have ads every 10-15 minutes for some it is starting off with 30-60 second ads but it will get to be as pathetic as standard TV.. 3-6 minute ads every 10-15 minutes.

    274. Re:TV ain't broken? by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Everything worthwhile (regardless of origin) shows up fast on Amazon, iTunes, Zune Marketplace or Netflix. Content producers have a financial incentive to do it.

    275. Re:TV ain't broken? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Two dollars is ten times higher than twenty cents. A two-dollar price is exactly what I think is unethically, preposterously expensive.

    276. Re:TV ain't broken? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      You and TV producers think about it that way, but I don't. TV isn't free at all, it costs my time and attention. Sure, I'm willing to sell my time and attention, but it costs way WAY more than forty cents per hour, which is why I don't go to work in exchange for forty cents per hour.

      So the question is, what is more valuable to me, forty pennies, or eighteen minutes of watching commercials over the course of an hour? That's the question, and the answer is that the 18 minutes are more valuable to me.

    277. Re:TV ain't broken? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      No no, the cost to the advertiser -- the cost to buy the advertising airtime -- is approximately two to four cents per viewer. I didn't even factor in the cost of actually broadcasting the ads, which would be an additional SAVINGS to the broadcaster, thus FURTHER increasing their profits.

      Then there is the economic cost of producing the commercials, which is dead weight loss in the economy. Imagine what we could do to improve the world with the money we spend today making stupid commercials!

    278. Re:TV ain't broken? by Myopic · · Score: 1

      Right you are, sort of. That's the current TV broadcast (or cable) model, which is why I watch so vanishingly little broadcast TV. I still enjoy some TV shows, but I get them by Netflix or download or DVD without commercials. It's also why I use Facebook so little.

      The same content (shows), however, are also sold via those other distributions mediums (DVD, streaming), and when you directly pay for the content, then it is the product and you are the customer. I prefer this model. In fact, it is the only model I find acceptable at all. I would definitely be willing to sell my eyeball time, don't get me wrong about that, but the cost would be vastly higher than the value of a silly TV show. To sit around watching commercials, you'd have to pay me almost as much as my employer does.

    279. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...be palatable to 90-IQ types,...

      You seem to forget that 50% of the population has an IQ of 100 or LESS.

      Also, 68.3% of the pop is between 85 and 115. This is the target demo. They like simple sitcoms, sports/NASCAR, and making out with their sister.

    280. Re:TV ain't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best thing about the Simpsons is that it's the best way to tell if someone's funny or not. If they quote it, they're not.

      For the word "funny", substitute "intelligent" and you are just as correct as your original statement.

      Discounting content, the problem with TV is Scheduled Delivery.

      People want to watch when they have time, not when the networks want them to watch. Some, like comcast have some shows that you can watch whenever you want, and lots of people use DVRs. But these are all crude means to get around the fact that the programs only appear on a schedule.

      I'll give you two the benefit of the doubt you apparently don't allow others and assume you're smarter than one who believes intelligence and humor are summed by whether one quotes a particular television program.

    281. Re:TV ain't broken? by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I saw some of that Biblical archaeology nonsense. It was all a bunk of Ron Wyatt nonesense and all of it was debunked well before hitting Discovery.

      https://www.google.com/search?q=ron+wyatt+debunked

    282. Re:TV ain't broken? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Must have been before that. The shows I remember had less Christ's blood and Noah's Ark discovered and more tracing the spread of Judaism (including the group in Ethiopia), tracing the myths behind the various claims for where the ark of the covenant ended up (nothing mystical, just is it possible that the box made it to Scotland?) and digging up biblical age ruins in the middle east. There was one program about the shroud of Turin. The conclusion was, given radiocarbon dating and paint analysis, that it's a fake from the middle ages.

  2. It's broken for me by afidel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can't imagine life without a PVR, being a slave to some executives scheduling decisions is no way to lead your life. It also helps that my PVR includes comskip so I spend 1/3rd less time watching tv and my kids aren't bombarded by relentless advertising.

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    1. Re:It's broken for me by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Oh you're not the only one, but for me it's a different reason. There's simply nothing on. I own a TV, it's 15 years old, it's a hand me down from my parents who thought I needed one. I think I turned it on last about 5 years ago, I'm pretty sure it still works. But, what's broken? It's not the TV, it's what's on TV.

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    2. Re:It's broken for me by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      PVR? Is that like Netflix, Hulu Plus, and The Pirate Bay combined?

    3. Re:It's broken for me by InsightIn140Bytes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you haven't turned the TV on in five years, how can you know the shows aren't worth watching? Or are you just rambling the way old people always do "things were so much better before"...

    4. Re:It's broken for me by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      For me it's both.

      Well actually I watch a few series that are currently running (plus the odd documentaries), so it's not that there's nothing on, it's just that it's a tiny fraction of the shows you get on TV, showing at odd and inconvenient times. Pretty crappy deal considering the subscription fees AND ads.

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    5. Re:It's broken for me by dkleinsc · · Score: 0

      I not only can imagine life without a PVR, I've been living one for some time.

      Of course, I also recently tossed out my TV because I wasn't watching it anymore. I gave it up a long time ago, and have never regretted it.

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    6. Re:It's broken for me by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      If you have TPB what do you need the other two for? :D

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    7. Re:It's broken for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lulz, Com'on everyone knows that Firefox 3.6 or 3.X was the best to ever be and will ever be. Oh wait, you are talking about television sets.

    8. Re:It's broken for me by afidel · · Score: 1

      Yes but about $16/month less. If you don't have a spouse then dropping cable might be an acceptable solution but mine wouldn't allow it as she is often like what the article describes, just wanting to veg out, plus you lose sports with your solution which might not matter for some geeks but it matters for me.

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    9. Re:It's broken for me by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      Name something that was on TV that was so profound and moving that it was absolutely critical that you see it when it first came out, rather than waiting a few months and spending half the price of one month's cable on DVDs to watch it whenever you like. (And that's assuming only completely legal viewing options) For bonus points, explain why that show was so awesome that you'd rather be watching it than spending that hour conversing with your loved ones.

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    10. Re:It's broken for me by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      I believe in paying for the content if I can't get it somewhere else; give me a way to pay for it *and I will* (i.e Netflix, Hulu, I pay for my music via Amazon/Cloudplayer, etc).

      I *am not* going to pay Comcast $100+/month for hundreds of channels I will never watch.

    11. Re:It's broken for me by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I too have a spouse; TED (Torrent Episode Downloader) + uTorrent + WD Live Hub. Episodes are automatically downloaded via the Windows VM on an ESXi host to a NAS that the WD Live Hub can read and index. Wife proof. Also, I don't watch sports, so YMMV.

      Eventually, I plan on storing all the content in OpenStack's object storage system, when time permits.

    12. Re:It's broken for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Moving the goalposts much?

      the question was "If you haven't turned the TV on in five years, how can you know the shows aren't worth watching?"

    13. Re:It's broken for me by InsightIn140Bytes · · Score: 1

      We don't actually pay for cable access where I live. Or well, you can pay and get something like Canal+ and some foreign stations, but everyone mostly watches the free ad supported channels.

      And what's with the "conversing with your loved ones"? Don't you have the time to do that otherwise, or during watching something together? It's just boring to sit down and talk about something. I do that already when I go out eat with my girlfriend and it's enough.

    14. Re:It's broken for me by houghi · · Score: 2

      If you haven't turned the TV on in five years, how can you know the shows aren't worth watching?

      If you need to ask that here, please hand in your geek card right now.
      I watch shows from all over the world that will most likely never be shown in my country. Guess how that is possible.

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    15. Re:It's broken for me by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I would too. I'd really like to buy over my pirated music DRM-free (and in higher quality). But most such services aren't available internationally.

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    16. Re:It's broken for me by Hatta · · Score: 2

      If TV has been garbage for the last 40 years, what reason is there to believe that it has gotten better in the last 5?

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    17. Re:It's broken for me by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I've heard sopcast is good for sports, although the feed sources are mostly in Asia so the commentary probably won't be much good to you.

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    18. Re:It's broken for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't imagine life without a PVR, being a slave to some executives scheduling decisions is no way to lead your life.

      I can't imagine life without broad hyperbole, inflating the most minor of inconveniences into some life-destroying catastrophe.

    19. Re:It's broken for me by heinousjay · · Score: 0

      There's this thing called "the Internet" that you might have heard of...

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    20. Re:It's broken for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a PVR and you think you're free from "being a slave to some executives scheduling decisions?" You're still either on cable or broadcast then, and you're still consuming whatever crap that executive decides to feed you. The executive decided to run one show and keep another because of scheduling decisions... Regardless of what time you are watching it. You're just being selective about which crap you consume. I realized some time ago that every TV show follows this same pattern: they tease you with something you want to see (a story arc resolution, a solution to the mystery, a revelation of someone's true intent, a forbidden relationship, etc.) because it keeps you watching, but they can never give it to you because then they'd have to come up with something else to keep you watching. Seriously, their business model is to hint that they will give you something that they never will. If you're lucky they'll squeeze in some hastily-thrown-together version of what they teased you with in the final episode after they've been cancelled. There's no fulfillment, no closure, just a waste of time that could have been spent watching something good. There's no cable, antenna or dish hooked up to my TV. I Netflix things I find interesting instead of channel surfing through crap.

    21. Re:It's broken for me by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Oh, hell yeah... If TED actually works, that is awesome. Comcast is moving to digital cable as a requirement now, rendering my MythBox useless. Since I can't be arsed to track new episodes of my few shows every week, and my schedule isn't going to live around theirs, I've just given up on them.

      Maybe now I can get my White Collar and Burn Notice back!

      Thanks for the tip!

    22. Re:It's broken for me by couchslug · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "how can you know the shows aren't worth watching?"

      Because TV has always been designed for the lowest common denominator. IMO it should stay that way as a walled garden of shit.

      I've had it on because the wife uses it for background noise due to severe tinnitus.

      TV was shit and is shit with only a microscopic percentage of worthwhile content easily surpassed by the Internet.

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    23. Re:It's broken for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too have (...) TED (Torrent Episode Downloader) + uTorrent + WD Live Hub. Episodes are automatically downloaded via the Windows VM on an ESXi host to a NAS that the WD Live Hub can read and index.

      ROFL. SCNR.

    24. Re:It's broken for me by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Agreed. There's not much on TV but there's enough that I still keep it. You don't need to stick to their schedule.

    25. Re:It's broken for me by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 2

      Forgot to mention: The WD Live Hub also supports Netflix, Pandora, Hulu Plus, etc. You can also write your own plugins. For $180, it's farking priceless as a media client.

    26. Re:It's broken for me by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Your TV doesn't work any more, at least for watching TV shows, All US full-power analog TV broadcasts came to an end on 12 June 2009.

      Perchance, your parents got a digital TV and gave you their soon-to-be-defunct analog unit?

    27. Re:It's broken for me by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

      sucker friend with cable: "this new show blah blah is awesome"
      me: launch youtube, search for clips: if it looks good, wait for netflix or hulu

      i found "damages", "dexter", "weeds" and "the wire" this way. big win there. but they were cable shows.

      broadcast shows, not so much: "how i met yer mother", "it's always sunny" and "big bag theory" were all epic fails.

      the key here is: even if I found zero shows i liked, it wouldn't have disappointed me. once you kill your TV, you tend to find a LOT of things to fill the space with.

      but at least i know what's popular thanks to the interwebs.

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    28. Re:It's broken for me by pgpalmer · · Score: 1

      Not all loved ones can be talked to at any time. They may be at work, or it might be late at night, for example.

    29. Re:It's broken for me by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's the problem. There's just barely enough that I haven't tossed the tube out a window yet. If I were limited to what's on when I'm home, my set would have gone out the window nearly a decade ago.

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    30. Re:It's broken for me by bryan1945 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about name something that was so profound and moving that it was absolutely critical that you see it. Ever.

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    31. Re:It's broken for me by ichthus · · Score: 1

      Name something that was on TV that was so profound and moving that it was absolutely critical that you see it when it first came out

      The falling of the towers on 9/11/2001. Prior to that was probably the moon landing, but I wasn't born yet and neither were DVDs.

      For bonus points, explain why that show was so awesome that you'd rather be watching it than spending that hour conversing with your loved ones.

      Please, stop. You're going to make me cry. Seriously, the motivation for watching something in current runs is the ability to discuss it with friends and family afterward -- water cooler conversation. Like, how bad did the final season/episode of LOST suck!? Or, the last episode of BSG?

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    32. Re:It's broken for me by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

      The Royal Wedding was good TV - we were on The Mall, but definitely saw more of it on our pocket TV with the picnic. In 2012 they're switching off the analogue signal, and I doubt if portable TVs will get digital reliably (if useless DAB radio is anything to go by). In fairness, we also thought Mr O's inauguration was good, even by satellite. Apollo launches have always been fun, but I remember the moon landings were not in colour.

    33. Re:It's broken for me by jackbird · · Score: 1

      The Mid-Season finale of The Walking Dead closed the story arc leading up to it pretty emphatically. Then again the amount of time everyone sat around talking about looking for Sophia was astronomical, so you may have something.

    34. Re:It's broken for me by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Game of Thrones. It will never come to DVD, or by the time it does, I will have exactly zero DVD capable devices in my house. Of course .torrent is doing me just fine, but I'd prefer to DVR it without paying a mortgage just to have 1,000 movie channels in order to record 12 1-hour episodes.

    35. Re:It's broken for me by Ichijo · · Score: 2

      Name something that was on TV that was so profound and moving that it was absolutely critical that you see it when it first came out, rather than waiting a few months and spending half the price of one month's cable on DVDs to watch it whenever you like.

      Showtime and HBO have series that aren't available on DVD within a few months after they air. All of them meet your requirement.

      For bonus points, explain why that show was so awesome that you'd rather be watching it than spending that hour conversing with your loved ones.

      Because you can watch the show for an hour with your loved ones, then spend the next hour discussing it with them.

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    36. Re:It's broken for me by Binestar · · Score: 1

      My daughters are 9 and 6, and they have never known TV without a TiVo. I'm not sure how they will handle it if we stopped using one.

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    37. Re:It's broken for me by thomst · · Score: 1

      dkleinsc challenged:

      Name something that was on TV that was so profound and moving that it was absolutely critical that you see it when it first came out, rather than waiting a few months and spending half the price of one month's cable on DVDs to watch it whenever you like. (And that's assuming only completely legal viewing options) For bonus points, explain why that show was so awesome that you'd rather be watching it than spending that hour conversing with your loved ones.

      Okay, I'll bite:

      Star Trek. In 1966, when consumer video was still the best part of a decade away.
      Roots. Which took a year or more to come to video.
      Shogun. Same deal.

      I could go on ...

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    38. Re:It's broken for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, to preface my question, this is not intended to judge you. Could you not be sued for copyright infringement for torrenting the television show episodes if you're also uploading like a good torrenter?

    39. Re:It's broken for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, TV is definitely dumber and more A.D.D.-oriented these days.. at least when it comes to educational content. I find modern National Geographic and Discovery Channel 'documentaries', especially those about space and astronomy, have recently succumbed to the Michael Bay wannabe editors.. watch 'Cosmos' or old 'Nova' episodes from the 90s and compare them to anything in the last few years. Sheesh, they even have to do that stupid stuttering/fast-foward editing to introduce a grey-bearded scientist sitting at his desk, to make it look like an action film. It's distracting and contributes nothing to the discussion.

    40. Re:It's broken for me by Sancho · · Score: 1

      The guy was complaining about content. Then he started talking about timing.

    41. Re:It's broken for me by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Obviously that one is fairly easy. Has TV changed in the last 6 years? A run on of reality TV shows with a mix of terrible pop culture designed for the retards of society? Nope. Has it changed in 10 years? Nope. Has it changed in the last 15 years, well yes. Less sitcoms, has it changed in the last 20-25 years? Only that it's become much worse with forty times the amount of political correctness.

      Don't worry about thinking us "old" folks are rambling, there really is nothing on. What was shit 6 years ago, is the rebranded microwaved shit you're watching now.

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    42. Re:It's broken for me by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      If you haven't turned on a TV in five years, how do you know it works? Does it have a digital converter?

    43. Re:It's broken for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PROTIP: Online TV guide??
      I think you knew this, and deliberately acted as if you didn't so you could make your non-argument anyway, to then hope people would be dumb enough to think your argument made sense.
      P.S.: Seems people are dumb enough. Welcome to America!

    44. Re:It's broken for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would too. I'd really like to buy over my pirated music DRM-free (and in higher quality). But most such services aren't available internationally.

      There's something called "Compact Discs" that you can buy that have music without DRM and recorded at something called CD quality. I think it was invented in Eastern Europe during the cold war, which is why you've apparently never heard of it.

    45. Re:It's broken for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does it matter if it works? Why would he buy a digital box, if there's nothing worth watching anyway?

      My TV still works. I watched a DVD last month.I'm not getting a digital box, however, as that will not add any value whatsoever.

    46. Re:It's broken for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or read. Or music you've listened to. Or tasted. See how that works?

    47. Re:It's broken for me by Syberz · · Score: 1

      Speaking of which, it's 2011, why do PVRs look and work as if they came from 1995?

      I'm with Videotron in Canada and we're forced to use Scientific Atlanta PVRs and they are horrible. Switching channels takes seconds (used to be instant with regular cable, so no more zapping), the interfaces are butt-ugly and the features are non-existent (why, for the love of god, can't I hide the channels that I'm not paying for?).

      Stop fiddling with headache enducing-gimmicky 3D and instead work on providing decent hardware to actually improve the user experience.

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    48. Re:It's broken for me by afidel · · Score: 1

      I'm actually running Media Portal on my HTPC using a Silicondust HDHomeRun Dual (my cable company made all basic channels available through clear QAM, otherwise I would need to spend a bit more on a HDHomeRun Prime and upgrade to win7 to get CabelCard support). I don't think I'd have cable any more if I had to go with a cable company provided PVR since it would lack comskip (automatically cuts commercials after the recording has ended).

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    49. Re:It's broken for me by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      My torrents download to a colo'd box in Sweden, which I then pull down locally. Best of luck getting my US IP address from my Swedish colo provider.

    50. Re:It's broken for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll name something:

      Sitting up on the dodger of my boat as it bobbed about in a warm and gentle breeze in the middle of the Gulf of Carpentaria, a full moon was just rising as the sun was setting and both were shining a luminous crimson. The stars were coming out in an absolutely magical show and just as I was kicking back and thinking how awesome it all was, all of a sudden, right around the boat the silence was punctuated by the sharp breaths and slapping of blow-holes as a pod of whales surfaced for air, drank their fill, and slipped back into the inky water.

      It was a magical moment which put me back in sync with the world, the universe and how special being alive really is.

      I'd say these moments happen in a multitude of forms to billions of people all the time, and I'd rate them as critical because they make us human, they keep us alive, and they make everything feel worth while.

      Anyone else agree?

    51. Re:It's broken for me by bryan1945 · · Score: 1

      I down with that.

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  3. What Indeed by Moheeheeko · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What is so broken about TV? It isnt giving tv manufacturers ample reason to charge onbcene ammounts for a new tv.

    Now a 3-d tv, thats a good reason to spend 2k on right?

    Right?

    1. Re:What Indeed by skids · · Score: 1

      3D TVs are well under 2K. You only get up to 2K due to buying the monthly pair of 3D glasses that you hope will finally f&*@#&#*king work right on your particular set.

    2. Re:What Indeed by DedTV · · Score: 1
      Yep. the only thing broken about TV is the profit margins for the manufacturers.

      TVs aren't something you buy new every year. It's a simple device with one major function, displaying pictures. There's only been 2 major developments in the technology since it became a common household item in the 50s. The switch from Black and White to Color in the 70s and now the mass switch to Digital/HDTV.
      Both of which were just TV implementing commercial theater's technology improvements. And commercial theaters aren't the most technically imaginative industry as their main business is content delivery, not technology.

      TV manufacturers have watched as new technologies focused around software have found ways to successfully do what they've failed to do for half a century, getting many people to gladly buy a new, expensive replacement every year or two. But unlike a computer or smart phone, TV is still cursed with being a simple hardware product with a simple function that is most often improved by plugging something new into it rather than buying a new TV. And with screen sizes already as massive as is practical in most homes and picture that's near the upper limits of human perception, there's few obvious ways to improve TV that would create the constant upgradability of things like smart phones at the moment.
      Some manufacturers are looking towards Windows 8 and hoping it will allow TVs to become an acceptable internet device and perhaps even eventually replace the home computer. But whether consumers will prefer to stick to their computers or prefer and iPad is uncertain. So some manufacturers have resorted to blowing all those boom profits on what they've done in the past, following commercial theaters by trying to get people to buy into 3D at home.

    3. Re:What Indeed by toddestan · · Score: 1

      TVs aren't something you buy new every year. It's a simple device with one major function, displaying pictures. There's only been 2 major developments in the technology since it became a common household item in the 50s. The switch from Black and White to Color in the 70s and now the mass switch to Digital/HDTV.

      I would have to go with three major developments - add in the remote control which became common in the 1980's (though had existed for some time before that).

  4. Tied to a time and place by Sez+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    TV is broken because, with a few exceptions, content is tied to a specific time and location.

    I want to be able to watch my favorite shows when I remember I want to watch them, not a time set by someone else. I also don't always want to watch them from home.

    Take away Tivo, Slingbox, etc and these things are not possible.

    1. Re:Tied to a time and place by Deb-fanboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      TV is broken because, with a few exceptions, content is tied to a specific time and location.

      I agree

      TV is a system where the broadcaster pushes content at you according to their schedule

      Entertainment on the Internet on the other hand is largely a system where the user pulls content when they wish to use it.

      People prefer to pull content when and where the want rather than have it pushed at them. For that reason, in the long term, TV will lose out to internet based entertainment

    2. Re:Tied to a time and place by kwark · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So how is TV broken again? Did someone take away Tivo or slingbox?

    3. Re:Tied to a time and place by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      Oddly enough, there is no Tivo that works with my cable provider of choice and can record it's content at it's "native" resolution.

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    4. Re:Tied to a time and place by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      DVR. If you're old school then get VCR.

      Television is efficient with bandwidth. The internet today could not handle it if everyone in the US went streaming, and I don't think it ever will be possible to allow every person on the planet to do this. Streaming only works when it's a very small number of privileged viewers doing it. Letting spur-of-the-moment compell you to using streaming is like letting spur of the moment make you drive to the store every time you're hungry instead of actually having food in the fridge.

    5. Re:Tied to a time and place by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Very much agree with this. Also, having a PVR is only a small fix for some frustrations. You have to know ahead of time that you wanted to watch something. If you're friend tells you about some great new show that's on, you can't go back and watch stuff that you never told it to record. I would easily pay $50 for Netflix if they could just get all of the content, including new TV episodes as they air. I could drop my cable provider, up may internet usage limits, and still end up paying quite q bit less then I do now for cable. Not only that, but I could watch whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted.

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    6. Re:Tied to a time and place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TV is a system where the broadcaster pushes content at you according to their schedule

      Let there be multicast all over the net.
      TV should be multicast as there would be so much lower bandwidth used compared to unicast to each and every one.
      It even spells out that shows on demand should cost more than shows on schedule from a pure network view.

    7. Re:Tied to a time and place by kwark · · Score: 1

      That is not TV its fault, your cable company is to blame.

      But my local cable provider has the same problem, either use their proprietary solution or leave. FttH TV is analog only or again proprietary. DVB-T is low res and over compressed. So I left and went to basic dish (10EUR/month), put some DVB-S pci cards (50-75 EUR per card) in the PC hooked up to the TV (used for XBMC til then), installed VDR and some (illegal) software for CAM emulation to use my (legal) smartcard. GUI is simple and streams perfectly and is WAF compiant (though a dreambox or other enigma device might suite some people better if you don't already have a PC connected). Except for news almost nothing will be watched live, record anything of interest and watch any time/any place.

    8. Re:Tied to a time and place by kwark · · Score: 1

      A digital cable channel or satellite transponder will carry up to about 38Mbit/s. A single DVB-C/T/S tuner will allow capturing all TV broadcasts on the same transponder/channel.

    9. Re:Tied to a time and place by Tilgore+Krout · · Score: 1

      The very fact that there exists a kludge to fix TV demonstrates that TV is broken.

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    10. Re:Tied to a time and place by michael_cain · · Score: 1

      TV is broken because, with a few exceptions, content is tied to a specific time and location.

      Fixing this will be, as they say, complicated. One of the critical complications is the financing model for content creation. Most content production is paid for by advertisers, with content aggregators like networks acting as middle-men. One of the things advertisers pay for is having their commercials presented to the potential audience at specific times of day. This reflects the tendency of specific demographics to watch TV in fairly patterns. An example that used to be used frequently in the business is that ads for products for the elderly are not run during the local evening news because elderly viewers like the news; it's because elderly viewers have the TV turned on at that time of day and to a surprising degree, independent of the content. Within limits, obviously; the elderly are willing to watch the news, but not some other types of content.

      The complaint about time- and location-specificity is actually a complaint about how the content creation process is financed. Fixing that to accommodate a pure time- and location-independent delivery system is going to take at least a generation, if it can be done at all. I spent the last decade of my technology career watching these arguments go back and forth between the involved parties (less the actual viewers, of course). I'm not sure that there is a viable solution simply because I'm not sure that there's a business model that distributes the financial risks in an acceptable fashion.

    11. Re:Tied to a time and place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let me get this straight, you pay likely over 100 USD per month for cable TV, but by itself that crap isn't usable (it's horribly annoying, in fact) so you feel the need to pay several 100 more USD plus any subs needed to get something to fix the original crap you already bought...

      You don't see a problem with that? They sure must love you and people like you.

      Beyond that I wasn't aware that your Tivo could remove splash over ads for other programs that obscure the stuff you're trying to watch or that it could edit back in content that was cut out to make room for commercials. That's pretty cool!

    12. Re:Tied to a time and place by unitron · · Score: 1

      Who's your provider of choice and what resolution is "native" for its content?

      Or are you getting a feed of surveillance drones from the NSA?

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    13. Re:Tied to a time and place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take away Tivo, Slingbox, etc and these things are not possible.

      Yes, take away the OBVIOUS SOLUTION that we've had in some form or fashion (counting the VCR) for 40 fucking years, and TV is fundamentally broken. Yeesh.

    14. Re:Tied to a time and place by kwark · · Score: 1

      First: I'm not living in the US. I'm not paying 100 USD per month for TV, I personally think the 10-15 EUR/month is more than enough (for about the 50 channels in my favorites, 30 are FTA and not even all channels from the paid package are in my favorites).
      Second: I spend about 250 EUR to get away from cable, this saves me about 11 EUR/month. This investment was 4 years ago, so it saved me 528 EUR . But I recently spend some of these savings to switch to HDTV broadcasts (350 EUR investment and a slight raise in the subscription fee).
      Third: channels providing irritating programming get ignored. There are channels broadcasting only irrelevant programming (like all the real live soaps on Discoveries), fucked up aspect ratios/cropped content, e.g. 4:3|16:9 -> 14:9 (Comedy Central). I'm not aware of channels using splash ads.

      There is a lot of bad/irrelevant stuff on, but having a decent DVR puts you back in charge.

  5. Same thing with HD and 3D. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I was happy, and still am, with my 26" standard-def. It's a later model so it has a built-in digital tuner.

    1. Re:Same thing with HD and 3D. by Stormthirst · · Score: 2

      So am I. It's got enough inputs that I can hook up my Playstation, VCR/DVD and my PVR so I just don't need anything else. When this one eventually dies, obviously I get something more up to date. But I don't watch sport, and don't own a Blu-ray player so I just don't need either 3d or HD.

    2. Re:Same thing with HD and 3D. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking that an HD 3D projector like the Optoma HD33 might finally be a worthwhile upgrade over the old SD TV.

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    3. Re:Same thing with HD and 3D. by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      I don't know about 3D projectors but I'm using a regular 1080p projector on a 90" screen. No TV receiver, I get all my shows through downloads/streaming and I'm a lot happier with this than I ever was when I had a TV. No commercials, great image quality and when I catch myself coding with the 90" screen as a monitor I get that lovely "wow, I'm living in the future" feeling...

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    4. Re:Same thing with HD and 3D. by jackbird · · Score: 1

      How much do you spend on bulbs annually?

    5. Re:Same thing with HD and 3D. by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      FYI, TV shows are starting to use the extra space on the sides that you lose with the HD->SD conversion. They started only showing environment in those sections of the screen (like a phone or a lamp), but now they're showing important things like a character (you might only see part of their face) or something a character is interacting with. I've also noticed on my SD set that words on the screen have finally expanded into the HD sides, so you have to guess what they are sometimes.

    6. Re:Same thing with HD and 3D. by mikael_j · · Score: 1

      Bulb costs are exaggerated IMO, sure you have to buy a new bulb occasionally but most modern 1080p projectors will only need a bulb replacement every 3000-4000 hours. So if you use your projector for six hours per day a single bulb should still last you about a year and a half.

      This is of course assuming you don't abuse the bulb by turning your projector on and off over and over again (much like a plain old HPS bulb they don't like that very much).

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  6. advertising by Quirkz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only thing broken about TV is the massive proportion of it dedicated to advertising instead of actual content.

    1. Re:advertising by DaffyDuck101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The advertising IS the actual content. What's in between is just there to keep you watching between ads.

    2. Re:advertising by Gordonjcp · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is one of the great things about the BBC. A dozen or so channels, with *no adverts*. None. Masses of good radio channels, too, again with no adverts.

    3. Re:advertising by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Which is why this article about "improving" TV is so stupid... without constant improvements, we wouldn't have had the VCR, and now DVRs to skip past commercials. Even when I sit down and see something on live television I'm interested in, I often just hit pause and do something else for a little while so that I can skip past commercials.

      My $100 bluray player gives me access to hulu and netflix, among others... no $1500 investment needed.

      Finally, if people want to spend $2k+ on 3D televisions, then that's great. I won't... it's not that I wouldn't like one, it's that they cost too much. The more people that buy them now, the less expensive they'll get in the future. I don't mind waiting... and I welcome all these people trying to "improve" TV.

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    4. Re:advertising by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Everything you are describing isn't TV. It's devices that attach to TV. They are things that are just using the TV as a monitor as if you were hooking your computer up to it.

      This is important to note because some people have this idea that the tech of TV itself has a problem. All of these people fantasizing about Apple branded TVs are neglecting the fact that most people don't actually use the interfaces on their TVs.

      TV is just something you hook up to another box: cable box, PVR, media player.

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    5. Re:advertising by rubycodez · · Score: 0

      I'd be pissed if I was forced to pay taxes for most of the shit that is on television, 80% of BBC content included

    6. Re:advertising by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Just skip past it. Ads are not a hindrance. If you don't have a DVR then just talk to the kids or spouse or read part of your paper while waiting or check your email. Or watch the ads, sometimes they're funny. Or switch to PBS with no ads except between programs. Someone has to pay for this stuff if you're watching for free, and that means ads. If you're streaming for free then you'll have ads there too.

    7. Re:advertising by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, much of that stuff sucks nearly as bad as the ads!

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    8. Re:advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being your stereotypical married 30'ish engineer, I can say that there's not much on the Beeb to watch either. Yes, I've spent months stuck in a hotel with the beeb and sky news, and there aint shit worth watching there either. My kids, being not particularly bright, though I think they are, watch dirty jobs and how it's made and dinosaur train on netflix, and don't bitch about cancelling cable. Seriously disapointed with the sacred Beeb though.

    9. Re:advertising by Lofted · · Score: 1

      If you are watching cable, it is definitely not free. Yet you are still seeing tons of annoying ads.

      If they can't make any money by charging directly for programming, they deserve to fail so someone else will do it - this is not hard

    10. Re:advertising by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2

      You don't have to pay taxes for it. It's not taxpayer-funded.

    11. Re:advertising by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      "Within the United Kingdom its work is funded principally by an annual television licence fee, which is charged to all British households, companies and organisations using any type of equipment to record and/or receive live television broadcasts; the level of the fee is set annually by the British Government and agreed by Parliament." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC

    12. Re:advertising by unitron · · Score: 1

      The only thing broken about TV is the massive proportion of it dedicated to programs about common people acting common.

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    13. Re:advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone else remember when cable TV had nearly no commercials because, as they said, you are already paying to watch, so viewing commercials was not required to watch cable. No, cable/satellite bills are unbelievable, and loaded with incredible amounts of commercials, so it seems to me that cable networks are double-dipping now, and that's why I caned mine.
      As an earlier poster noted, OTH HD quality is outstanding, and I bought a $25 UHF antenna to capture stations in the West Palm Beach/Ft. Lauderdale/Miami area. I don't watch much TV anymore (love blu-ray movies, though!), but what little OTA TV I do watch looks great on my 50" plasma. I won't pay to watch commercials ever again.

    14. Re:advertising by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That's true. Originally cable had fewer ads, part of the perk of paying for TV (and you're paying more for it than UK people pay for BBC in taxes). Only the broadcast channels on cable had ads. Then it changed over time. It's a racket.

    15. Re:advertising by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      ... which isn't a tax, and which you are not required pay.

      I've never had a TV licence, and I neither need one nor intend to get one. I don't intend to get rid of my TV, either.

    16. Re:advertising by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      But that's what the guy who wrote the article is complaining about.... specifically mentions, for example, Apple TV, among others. It sounds to me like he's merely one of those people that needs the latest and greatest toys and is finding it financially difficult to keep up, so now he's whining about it.

      It's a dumb article for just that reason... you don't have to upgrade until it's affordable - you don't have to upgrade at all. People are still using decades old SD televisions by adding an adapter you could get "for free" with government coupons when they upgraded to digital only... but even many people with cable haven't had to do that.

      Oh... and 3D certainly is a fundamental upgrade to the television, as much as HD was in that it requires a new set... but nobody is forcing anyone to buy it.

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    17. Re:advertising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >A dozen or so channels, with *no adverts*

      no adverts, just pro-Labour, pro-Islam, pro-Europe, anti-English statist propaganda of the worst kind.

    18. Re:advertising by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      You say that like it's a bad thing.

      We've had 30 years of Tory misrule. It's about time *someone* was pro-Labour.

  7. The Middleman is Unnecessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The part which is broken is the networks and cable companies, who add nothing but get between the consumer and the content creators. Those who decide which content gets produced with our money, and who enforce regional distribution restrictions, exclusive digital streaming rights.

    1. Re:The Middleman is Unnecessary by FoolishBluntman · · Score: 2

      I agree, the middlemen is not only unnecessary but are making life more difficult and trying to justify their existence.
      I want to want shows when I want them without commercials and I'm willing to pay for that.
      I have a DVR on Cox Cable and Netflix on my PS3. Shows that are on HBO and Showtime are available the next day on HBO and Showtime HD indemand so I don't bother recording them. I only use the DVR for broadcast shows that include commercials.

      The basic problem is this, broadcast television is an anachronism that hasn't died yet but will soon.
      The technology vendors(Google, Apple, Netflix, Hulu, etc ) are lining up to deliver a good content experience because the broadcaster (CBS,NBC,ABC, FOX, etc) haven't done it.

  8. Well... for starters... by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll take a crack at this.

    It's expensive as hell.
    The cost exaggerates how much crap there is to sift through to find anything worth watching.
    Often the "worth watching" query comes back empty.
    The STB's are universally awful.
    Even if you DVR and FFwd, the commercials are an annoyance.

    I'm sure there's more... but that's what I can think of off the top of my head.

    1. Re:Well... for starters... by tomhudson · · Score: 2

      How is it "expensive as hell?" It's $20 for an indoor antenna, and the cost of electricity to run it.

      If you only want to watch a few hours a week (as opposed to 5-8 or more hours a day, which is insane if you're not an invalid), there's more than enough on.

    2. Re:Well... for starters... by SomePgmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, and the part that really gets me... to go from 1 show worth watching to 2 shows worth watching, you'll need to up your package with another 30 awful channels for an additional $20 in MRC.

      And want to watch on another TV? That'll be another $5-10 a month.

      Oh and don't pick a movie from the on demand, you'll have to mortgage the house and you'll only have access for the next 24-48 hours.

    3. Re:Well... for starters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eztv.it solves your issues if you dont mind waiting a few hours after it first airs.

    4. Re:Well... for starters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting anon because I shouldn't keep replying to myself... but I'm starting to use /. like a wiki on the subject.

      "Oh you wanted a few of those channels in HD? That's a $10 monthly upcharge."

      Oh right, and I can't watch the DVR'd content anywhere but on the STB.

    5. Re:Well... for starters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You left out that hassle of having 4 different remotes to control all the various devices. You can be that this is one of the issues Apple intends to deal with.

    6. Re:Well... for starters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Only if you can get an antennae to catch the broadcasts. I get clear reception for only *one* over-the-air channel where I live, in the suburbs of a major metropolis.

    7. Re:Well... for starters... by peragrin · · Score: 1

      I havent watched prime channels(ABC,CBS,NBC) in nearly a decade. An over the air anttenna would be a waste.

      I only watcch about five stations but do make extensive use of video on demand services

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    8. Re:Well... for starters... by NewWorldDan · · Score: 1

      Then you probably need a better antenna. In most cities the broadcast towers are all clustered together allowing for directional antennas to work. I have, however, lived places where they were scattered all over town (Richmond, VA) and it was impossible to get good reception on more than 3 stations at a time.

      In any event, I get by on broadcast and Netflix. $10/month isn't bad.

    9. Re:Well... for starters... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      The purpose of the package is not volume of content, its to have quality content rolling at all times so that there is something to find when we want to sit down and watch rather than you having to schedule around some show. That and antenna usually gives you low quality content like PBS, CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX, etc. Between them there might be three shows worth considering watching and they will all be on at conflicting prime slots.

    10. Re:Well... for starters... by skids · · Score: 1

      It's expensive as hell.

      I'd argue the primary problem is lack of industry-wide standards and ratings systems, and failure of manufacturers to abide by what standards there are. The expense is just a side effect of that.

    11. Re:Well... for starters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $20? You can build an excellent fractal antenna for about $5 with a piece of plastic, some solid copper wire and a 75 OHM load adapter. I cut off my cable completely over a year ago. Don't miss it at all, because if I desperately need to get some classic TV programming, I have my nearly free antenna and not monthly charges to pull true HD off the air (not that pseudo-HD our local Cable company makes people pay an extra $50 to get pissed off at).

      My STB AppleTV device combined with streaming only Netfix delivers more content than I can watch, no commercials, at lot of them are in nice HD quality.

      Most of what's on TV is junk, and unless they implement true Ala Carte configuration, they won't see my $$$ again.

    12. Re:Well... for starters... by GunSheep · · Score: 1

      You forgot sometimes the broadcasters will screw with the start and end times of the programs just to piss off the DVR crew. I mean really, starting the show a minute early or ending it at X:31 PM accomplishes what really?

      Oh, yeah, I can add additional time to my program when I set up a series to record but then you have three programs recording at the same time (the DVR only does two) and the DVR throws a fit and doesn't record one.

      Getting to the point that it's easier to download the episode....

    13. Re:Well... for starters... by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      That's a highly limited 50 year old approach to the problem that will likely only amplify (nearly) all of the complaints you might hear here.

      Network television? You must be joking.

      That's once you get beyond the whole "reception" problem and manage to p*ss off your neighborhood with your ugly antenna.

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    14. Re:Well... for starters... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...and without being their own little closed monoculture, how are they going to do that exactly?

      The technical answers are simple and obvious. Getting all of the multiple involved parties to cooperate is another matter.

      Plus there's the whole problem that Apple remotes are total HID defying crap.

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    15. Re:Well... for starters... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's inexpensive compared to streaming though. And you'll always have ads unless you're subscribing.

    16. Re:Well... for starters... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      The purpose of the package is not volume of content, its to have quality content rolling at all times so that there is something to find when we want to sit down and watch rather than you having to schedule around some show.

      So you're actually scheduling your life around TV, rather than saying "if there's nothing on right now, I'll find something else to do." It's not like you *need* to watch any of those shows ... and if you can't get it ***right now***, you may end up being more discriminating in what you do watch.

      Turn it off for a week - it's not like you're going to miss anything.

    17. Re:Well... for starters... by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      That's one thing I don't get - why people pay $50 - $100 a month to watch re-compressed video - complete with commercials - that isn't as good a quality picture as what you can get free over the air with a cheap antenna.

      The same cheap antenna that couldn't even get a snowy picture of channels 100 miles away back when they were non-digital brings them in crystal-clear now, except for the occasional rainstorm (and if the power goes out because of that storm, it's not like you can watch it anyway).

    18. Re:Well... for starters... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      That's once you get beyond the whole "reception" problem and manage to p*ss off your neighborhood with your ugly antenna.

      First, my antenna is sitting in the window, so it's not going to "p*ss off my neighborhood" unless they've got x-ray vision and can see through the blinds.

      Second, my picture is clearer than my neighbor, who is using cable. OTA (over-the-air) picture quality is regulated. So, I get a better picture, I don't pay for cable or satellite, and while I only get 18 or s HD channels, those 18 are different, as opposed to 500 channels broadcasting the same 20 feeds.

    19. Re:Well... for starters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This depends entirely on what you want. For me it's not even close.

      A low TV package, that just does TV, with basic HD and one STB costs me something like $70 a month.

      Over a year, Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime and somewhere shy of a billion on-demand, paid HD Amazon rentals puts me close to that price with infinitely more entertainment value and nearly no commercials, DVR'ing, etc, even if you factor in part of the cost of your internet service.

    20. Re:Well... for starters... by na1led · · Score: 0

      Cost was the major factor in my decision to cancel Cable and go with a Roku box. My family love the Roku much better, because now they can decide what they want and when to watch it. Also eliminates the need for hundreds of DVD's and VHS tapes, and its so simply to use, my 10 year old is a wiz at it. The future of TV is Smart TV, and watching your shows anywhere, in your living room or in bed with your Tablet.

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    21. Re:Well... for starters... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      When I get home from work, I just want to relax in front of the TV. In ancient times, they actually had decent content during that time. Nowdays, all the networks have some reality crap, or maybe a doctor/lawyer/cop show that is boring as watching paint dry. I'm not scheduling my life around TV, but I just happen to have time & inclination to watch TV at a certain time. If they had anything worth watching.

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    22. Re:Well... for starters... by nabsltd · · Score: 1

      I havent watched prime channels(ABC,CBS,NBC) in nearly a decade.

      There are still some very good programs available on OTA networks after you toss out the "reality" junk. I hope that the availability of other entertainment options will keep at least some decent shows on OTA.

      One thing I have noticed is that removing commercials greatly improves dramas, as there are many times that there is no convenient break point in the story, so the commercial really takes you out of the story (even with something like a DVR and fast commercial skip).

    23. Re:Well... for starters... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...you're lucky.

      Hurray for you.

      Now the rest of us have to deal with the conditions we actually find ourselves in rather than some idealized fantasy.

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    24. Re:Well... for starters... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. With the shutdown of the analog broadcasts, the digital broadcasts have a MUCH greater range (plus transmitters have been tweaking their coverage). You might find that you can get many more channels now than you could a few years ago - especially if you orient the antenna properly.

    25. Re:Well... for starters... by Keybase · · Score: 1

      Logitech Harmony Remote - If you can remember how to use it.

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    26. Re:Well... for starters... by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      How is it "expensive as hell?" It's $20 for an indoor antenna, and the cost of electricity to run it.

      I think he was referring to the broadcast side. If it is expensive to get your show out to everybody, then only certain types of shows will be made available and they'll be loaded with ads.

      Contrast that with the web where I can run a website for little marginal cost beyond what it costs to consume content. That means I can afford to blog about my runny nose ad-free and you're free to read it.

    27. Re:Well... for starters... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      From:

      "so that there is something to find when we want to sit down and watch rather than you having to schedule around some show."

      you take:

      "So you're actually scheduling your life around TV"

      Wasn't the entire point of my statement that I DO NOT schedule my life around TV? I expect the TV to be there, ready for me whenever I choose to watch.

      "you may end up being more discriminating"

      Discriminating how? Like selecting some program you perceive to be superior and waiting for its time slot. In other words, scheduling my life around the TV? It's TV it isn't like there is some sort of enlightened content waiting for discerning viewers, it's all mental junk food.

      "Turn it off for a week - it's not like you're going to miss anything."

      As it happens no I wouldn't. Because if there is a show with some sort continuity or progression I download or DVR it. But I actually "turned off" TV for years and no I don't mean I was one of those pretend no watchers who still hooked up the antenna. I did watch movies but that was the sole purpose of my TV. First I turned up the digital antenna for the wife. Then when I realized that those channels were no better than no TV at all I went ahead and hooked up a full sat package.

    28. Re:Well... for starters... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      I think you're still missing the point ... you definitely ARE planning your life around TV, just in a different fashion. For example, you say you have "must see" shows, and you've made adjustments to your life to see them.

    29. Re:Well... for starters... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I didn't once say anything about "must see" shows or making any adjustments to see them.

    30. Re:Well... for starters... by tomhudson · · Score: 1
      Let's take a look at what you said:

      Because if there is a show with some sort continuity or progression I download or DVR it.

      So - you have shows that you have to DVR because of "continuity". You HAVE to see each episode. Which means you HAVE to make time to watch each episode. In sequence. So, you ARE arranging your life to accommodate your TV watching.

      So, what is this mysterious TV show(s) with "some sort of continuity or progression" that you HAVE to watch every episode? Inquiring minds want to know :-p

    31. Re:Well... for starters... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Seriously, now you've gone into troll mode. You seem to be inventing some sort of addiction or compulsion to support a point that just isn't there.

    32. Re:Well... for starters... by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      All I'm saying is that you do, to a certain extent, plan your life to accommodate your TV viewing. You PVR TV programs that you feel you need to see, you make the time to watch them in sequence so as not to "spoil it", you pay for a satellite feed so as not to miss anything you're interested in ...

      Now, this is not to make any sort of ethical or moral statement as to whether this is good or bad ... it just IS.

      Do I watch TV? Occasionally. I bought a 50" plasma a few years ago, thinking it would increase my TV viewing. Turns out I was wrong. Even though I can get 15 or more HD channels with my cheap rabbit-ears (and a lot clearer than my neighbors with cable, since the signal isn't recompressed all to heck), I still go months without remembering to turn it on. It's just not an important part of my life. It's not something I would spend $100 a year, never mind $100 a month, for "entertainment."

      My original point was that watching HDTV isn't necessarily an expensive proposition - a $20 antenna would meet many people's needs. That you need to spend on a satellite TV service and make sure you DVR stuff just says that TV is more important to you, and you're willing to arrange your priorities to accommodate that need. It doesn't invalidate my point - you're just not one of those people who can say "if it's not on when I feel like watching TV, I'll just skip it, no big loss."

    33. Re:Well... for starters... by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "All I'm saying is that you do, to a certain extent, plan your life to accommodate your TV viewing."

      And we already disagree. Do I spend money on TV, yes. Perhaps we simply disagree on the semantics. There are no shows I "HAVE to watch" or "need to see." I don't "make time" to watch anything. The entire point of a DVR is that it records the show and it sits there gathering digital dust until I feel like flipping on the TV be that today or next week or next month.

      That said, I don't pay for a sat feed to get any particular program I pay for an internet connection for that. I pay for the sat feed so that when I sit down, if I'm not in the mood for any of that stuff on my DVR, there is a higher probability that at that given moment there will be something interesting on.

      When I had antenna I found that the probability of there being something interesting to watch when I sat down was approaching zero. Being uncompressed HD doesn't make the programming on those 15 channels (or 20 here) interesting and I never watched it when that I had that either.

      At $70/month my sat connection is the lowest monthly bill I have even though I do consider it overpriced.

    34. Re:Well... for starters... by dwpro · · Score: 1

      He did specify indoor antenna. It may be an old solution, but damned if it isn't better quality signal than cable and free to boot. You can actually get a fair amount of decent programming as well, IMHO. I don't watch a lot of TV, but there are sports , cooking shows, weather, news, crappy sitcoms, plenty of mind numbing entertainment if you are so inclined.

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  9. Commercials. by mosb1000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Commercials, among other things. Because everything has to be dumbed down to gain mass market appeal and advertising dollars, there is a real lack of quality programming. But hopefully we may see the internet change all that, once all the DMCA type shenanigans come to an end, and people figure out that you can still charge for content even if people steal it.

    1. Re:Commercials. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How on earth do you anticipate getting programming without commercials without a subscription service? Do you think the production companies make television programs for fun?

      Until we solve the problem of scarce resources, TV without commercials or paying subscriptions will be beyond our grasp.

    2. Re:Commercials. by Anrego · · Score: 1

      I don't know if the internet will really save us.

      The same problem applies to the internet as applies to cable. Good quality programming, while in some cases can be cheap if done by some dedicated people, tends to cost money. As such, you need a way to profit (which usually means advertising). Advertising tends to be more effective and hit more eyes as intelligence down.

      The Internet lowers the bar for distribution and lets people get their stuff out there for a lot less, but I don't think we'll be seeing Connections quality programming again unless something very dramatic changes in the way the world functions.

    3. Re:Commercials. by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Commercials, among other things. Because everything has to be dumbed down to gain mass market appeal and advertising dollars, there is a real lack of quality programming. But hopefully we may see the internet change all that, once all the DMCA type shenanigans come to an end, and people figure out that you can still charge for content even if people steal it.

      I'm sorry, for a minute there I thought you were suggesting we turn to the internet to fix the "dumbed down" TV market...where do you think the reason for "dumbed down" TV came from...

    4. Re:Commercials. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      The revolution has to come in the form of new innovative programming. Someone has to put real cable channel investment capital into content that you can stream direct for $5/month. Just cut the middleman right out of the equation.

      Low quality amateur content isn't going to ever be viable and paying staff $50k+ per episode isn't going to remain viable either.

    5. Re:Commercials. by tsotha · · Score: 1

      Maybe TV will eventually end up like classical music - sure, they're still making it, but there's enough of the old stuff for one lifetime.

    6. Re:Commercials. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      If you have 10,000,000 users paying $30/month, you could support 4 continuous streams of television, assuming a 30 minute show costs $50,000 to produce. That sounds feasible to me.

    7. Re:Commercials. by cpghost · · Score: 1

      But hopefully we may see the internet change all that, once all the DMCA type shenanigans come to an end, and people figure out that you can still charge for content even if people steal it.

      Sorry to sound pedantic, but people merely duplicate content, they don't steal it.

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    8. Re:Commercials. by wootcat · · Score: 1

      While I hate commercials, I view them as a necessary evil. That is how the networks are able to bring you the shows.

      What I really, really despise is the in-program advertising. It started with the channel bugs stations felt were necessary to remind you what channel you are watching. The lower third ads completely distract from the program to promote some other show or event. It was bad enough when they were static and small, but now they are animated and, year after year, become bigger and creep up higher and higher on the screen.

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    9. Re:Commercials. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      potato - tomato

    10. Re:Commercials. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I'd say so, a 30 day month has 1440 half hour chunks, with a 30 minute chunk costing $50k you could fill every minute of every day with original commercial free content for $72m which is much less than the $300m you specified above!

      Of course in reality you would only need a small fraction of that. If you aired 4hrs of new content daily you'd blow away existing stations for $6m a month.

      So with that revision you could have 50 commercial free channels all of which have more fresh content than any existing cable channel for $30/month.

    11. Re:Commercials. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      I also do not share the view that the programming can't be subsidized by advertising. The advertising should just occur between shows rather than during with the ad-spots closest to the beginning and the end of the program being premium as they are often grabbed by DVR's in addition to live viewers.

  10. Simple... by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too many fake reality shows. Way too many. Less Jersey Shore, Lady Hoggers, and the like, and it will be just fine.

    1. Re:Simple... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Remove those, and they'll be replaced by infomercials. You won't get Buffy the Vampire Slayer 2012 or anything like that.

  11. TV is/isn't broken? by RHoltslander · · Score: 1

    Well I'm not getting one just to find out if the conjecture is true. I don't care one way or the other.

  12. Commercials, presenters and quiz shows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't put it more succinctly. I may have forgotten a few eyesores,though.

    1. Re:Commercials, presenters and quiz shows. by bughunter · · Score: 1

      I may have forgotten a few eyesores,though.

      Fearmongering local news in the evening, and airhead yukfest local news in the morning?

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  13. More control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because it is passive, they cannot measure the degree of effectiveness of their mass control initiatives, resulting in more time and money spent to repeat the message enough to guarantee assimilation. They want ways of getting feedback.

    1. Re:More control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They want ways of getting feedback.

      It seems that's what they can already do with Hulu. During commercials there's a, "Is this ad relevant to you [Yes] [No]" in the top right corner. It also prompts whether you want to see a particular version of a commercial, for car ads especially. Standard and cable television can't really compete with streamed video when it comes to being interactive. I get the impression they're desperately trying to, though.

      Years ago, I got fed up with constant commercial bombardment. I don't watch cable television anymore, and this year I've watched less than a total of four hours of content from Hulu. If I can't find something to watch through Netflix, then I do something else for entertainment (games, hobbies, etc.).

  14. simple - lack of control / options by forgottenusername · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why should I pay for a bunch of channels and service I don't want?

    If they offered modular, on demand service I wouldn't have to monkey around with xbmc, encoding etc.

    Services like on-demand streaming of movies/tv where you pay exactly what you want are the future. The cable company can't let go of their monolithic 'screw you cuz we can & always have' thinking. Eventually they will go the way of the labels as far as monopoly via audio CD's - technology will evolve past them (already is/has) and they'll just be left waving their wizened fists angrily, struggling for relevance and trying to screw people over with control of cable internet.

    1. Re:simple - lack of control / options by gfxguy · · Score: 2

      Do you not see that YOU and people like YOU are improving TV?

      The author of the article is moronic... he could have said the same thing 20 years ago and ignore the advent of DVRs, online content, even HD (let alone 3D) televisions. Things are always getting better.

      If I had to (and I certainly don't) guess a motivation, it's that people are getting burned out on frequent expenses for their television viewing.... buy a DVR, the next year you upgrade to HD so you need an HD DVR and bluray player; then TVs and other devices start allowing online content, and you need to buy or upgrade them (perhaps a new bluray player); then 3D comes along and you need another TV, another bluray player, and perhaps another DVR.

      Yes, if you insist on the latest toys, you end up paying a lot, but if you sit back and let things settle before buying your shiny new toys, you end up getting things that will be useful for a lot longer.... but you can't complain about "fixing" something that isn't broken... can someone honestly say that the improvements haven't been worthwhile?

      And so it's people like you, messing around with encodings and figuring out what works best and trying new things to bypass the annoyances... those things will evolve into consumer oriented products that "fix" television... or at least improve on it.

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    2. Re:simple - lack of control / options by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      They don't have on demand because the bandwidth just isn't there for everyone to have it. It only works when a minority of customers want it.

    3. Re:simple - lack of control / options by na1led · · Score: 0

      First it was the Cable Box and Sat that would change the world - 55 Channels and nothing on! Then came Tivo - watch TV on your schedule. That prompted all kinds of DVR and Media Players. Now comes Netflix and Roku - Pay only for what you want and watch it when you want - anywhere! TV is evolving to what consumers want, not what the Industry wants.

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  15. Country by Lord+Lode · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I want to see channels from any country, in any country.

    That's all.

    1. Re:Country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Verizon offers foreign channels that you can subscribe to individually. Unfortunately they cost an arm and a leg

    2. Re:Country by houghi · · Score: 2

      What you will see is the same shows all over again. Some subtitled, some spoken in another language.
      OK, some might be with different people as they only sold the format.

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    3. Re:Country by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      my wife and her friend do that, via youtube. who the hell in southeast asia violates copyright and records shows and uploads them, I don't know. but there it is. and it's recent stuff, two or three day delay

    4. Re:Country by bughunter · · Score: 1
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    5. Re:Country by blair1q · · Score: 1

      That isn't a TV problem. That's a the-planet-is-spherical problem. The solution to that is simple, but requires an addition of massively expensive infrastructure.

      TV can be fixed using exactly the equipment that is currently installed and for sale for cheap, by changing none of it.

      TV can be fixed by lining TV executives up against the wall and letting the ninjas go to town on them.

  16. Problem with TV is.. by blahplusplus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... fixed schedules and they show only the content that will get them the most (average) viewers. So programs cater to the lowest common denominator. You can't simply just watch what you want to when you want to relatively (obnoxious) ad free.

    The great thing about the internet is you can find old shows like cartoons and whatnot from earlier in your life that no network will broadcast anymore. As bad as content industries make 'piracy' out to be, they can no longer forcibly send old shows offline permanently (which is a good thing). If anything piracy will be a great boon to future historians of entertainment, the arts and humanity generally speaking.

    1. Re:Problem with TV is.. by shaitand · · Score: 1

      You've hit the nail on the head. People have always copied content and it never concerned the media companies and it has nothing to do with the quality of the copy. Despite brainwashing to the contrary digital content is NOT higher quality than analog content you can't run higher quality out HDMI v.any than you can out an old skool coax line.

      The reason the media companies are afraid of copying all the sudden is because of the internet and potential to remove their CONTROL of content. What we no longer need is the distribution companies and the distribution chains.

  17. Mode and Complexity by Anrego · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Primarily the mode of delivery. It made sense that the internet would piggyback on existing infrastructure (cable and telephone) but the tables have now turned, and it would make more sense to piggyback TV on a line specifically meant for Internet (fiber).

    Complexity is an interesting one. Modern TVs are freaking complicated. My grandfathers set blew about 2 years ago so I helped get him a new one. Trying to find a larger screen TV that doesn’t require a geek to operate is pretty damn hard. There would seem to be a huge market for people that just want something you turn on, change volume, change channel, turn off. Even if you get a geek (like me) to set it up for you, you still end up with either multiple remotes (one for TV/one for digital box, one for DVD player) or a just as complicated “smart remote” that kinda works.

    Some very basic functionality that should exist (but I haven’t seen) would be that the TV should detect a signal on an input and auto switch to it via some kind of hierarchy. Turn on the DVD player.. input should go to that.. turn it off.. back to digital box.. turn that off, back to analog cable. This seems basic and maybe it has been done, but when I looked I couldn’t find a TV that supported this.

    1. Re:Mode and Complexity by TheGatesofBill · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, you just came up with the idea for HDMI-CEC...

    2. Re:Mode and Complexity by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      Some very basic functionality that should exist (but I haven’t seen) would be that the TV should detect a signal on an input and auto switch to it via some kind of hierarchy. Turn on the DVD player.. input should go to that.. turn it off.. back to digital box.. turn that off, back to analog cable. This seems basic and maybe it has been done, but when I looked I couldn’t find a TV that supported this.

      I had exactly that functionality before using a composite/S-Video box. It would autoswitch, always going to the most recently turned on input, then back to the previous when the most recent turned off. There was one button on the top that would override.

      I've not seen this in a higher-end TV. My Sony set knows which inputs are active, but doesn't have an autoswitch feature. Is it possible that one company has a lock on the patent for this?

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    3. Re:Mode and Complexity by Jeng · · Score: 2

      Some very basic functionality that should exist (but I havenâ(TM)t seen) would be that the TV should detect a signal on an input and auto switch to it via some kind of hierarchy. Turn on the DVD player.. input should go to that.. turn it off.. back to digital box.. turn that off, back to analog cable. This seems basic and maybe it has been done, but when I looked I couldnâ(TM)t find a TV that supported this.

      The Harmony remote by Logitech does some of that. Hit the button for "Watch TV" it turns on the TV, selects the input, and turns on the cable box. Hit the button for "Watch Movie" it changes the input, turns off the cable box, and turns on the bluray player.

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    4. Re:Mode and Complexity by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ....or a $10 universal remote.

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    5. Re:Mode and Complexity by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      It also costs more money than what most people are willing to spend on the problem.

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    6. Re:Mode and Complexity by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Cheaper than a new TV, and it is compatible with just about all consumer level AV equipment and is updated with new products all the time. You can also "teach" it new commands from other remotes.

      It may be more than what most people are willing to spend on the problem, but if they are willing to spend any money at all on the problem then this is most likely the cheapest solution.

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    7. Re:Mode and Complexity by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Some very basic functionality that should exist (but I haven’t seen) would be that the TV should detect a signal on an input and auto switch to it via some kind of hierarchy. Turn on the DVD player.. input should go to that.. turn it off.. back to digital box.. turn that off, back to analog cable. This seems basic and maybe it has been done, but when I looked I couldn’t find a TV that supported this.

      The latest Sony Bravia components have "Bravia Sync" (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_bravia_sync) that basically do what you want. All the components can be controlled from a single remote. Select DVD and the TV and DVD power up and the TV switches to the DVD input, etc...Other vendors might have something similar.

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      It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
    8. Re:Mode and Complexity by sdguero · · Score: 1

      I hear you about smart remotes man.

      I have been trying to get non-tach savvy roommates on the Harmony One bandwagon for over a year unsuccessfully. And to be honest, I just want a cheap old universal remote again. The Harmony is a big PITA to setup and always gets into weird states where my roommates usually give up and start unplugging things.

    9. Re:Mode and Complexity by M0j0_j0j0 · · Score: 1

      Patent quick!

    10. Re:Mode and Complexity by fgouget · · Score: 1

      Primarily the mode of delivery. It made sense that the internet would piggyback on existing infrastructure (cable and telephone) but the tables have now turned, and it would make more sense to piggyback TV on a line specifically meant for Internet (fiber).

      Quite true. But you don't need fiber for that. ADSL is sufficient. That's how a lot of people watch TV in France: all ADSL ISPs offer triple play service : Internet+Phone+TV for around 40$.

    11. Re:Mode and Complexity by Anrego · · Score: 1

      The big problem I've found with these solutions is that because there is no feedback/status info.. they assume a certain state. If that state becomes out of whack for whatever reason.. all hell breaks loose. If you are a geek and understand what has happened, it's no problem. If you don't and a geek set it up for you are a solution and it's magic to you.. then you're out a TV until said geek can come over and get things working again.

      Also they are fairly expensive.

    12. Re:Mode and Complexity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regarding the last paragraph: We've had this in Europe for over 30 years now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART It may not be brilliant by today's digital standards, but it does most of the stuff you want when it comes to ease of use and devices can send wakeups and sleeps when they turn on off to change what the tv should show. It works.

  18. What's broken about TV? The content. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's broken about TV? This: the vast majority of the content is utter crap pandering to the lowest common denominator.

    1. Re:What's broken about TV? The content. by tesdalld · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Instead of ranting and wasiting my time typing up a meaningful comment, i'll just agree with this user.

    2. Re:What's broken about TV? The content. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      And every channel that tries to break the mold ends up falling back into the same pit. The History Channel was respectable for the first few years, but now, they're exactly as respectable as portrayed in the recent South Park episode on the topic.

      "Were the pyramids built BY ALIENS!?!? Was the first Thanksgiving HAUNTED!?!?"

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    3. Re:What's broken about TV? The content. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Were the pyramids built BY ALIENS!?!? Was the first Thanksgiving HAUNTED!?!?"

      The saddest part to me is that you didn't have to make that up :/

    4. Re:What's broken about TV? The content. by AB3A · · Score: 1

      What's broken about TV? This: the vast majority of the content is utter crap pandering to the lowest common denominator.

      And this is different from the older TV programs? Read whatever you like going back to the beginnings of TV and even the beginnings of Radio. There has always been someone saying stuff like this.

      No, the problem with TV is that there are alternatives to getting information besides just TV. There are hundreds of channels filled with very small audiences, so the programming is dross in all but a very few cases.

      Fundamentally, our media resources are spread too thinly across too many resources. Once there was just the News Paper. Then there was the news magazine. Then there was Radio, and later, television. Then the Internet took hold and many journalists who used to have nice secure jobs in major news outlets suddenly watched their audiences evaporate as the number of channels increased and the number of viewers/listeners/readers decreased.

      And then we sit and wonder why the production and the thoughtfulness behind it is so thin...

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    5. Re:What's broken about TV? The content. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      You must be a viewer. Advertisers consider that a feature, not a bug.

  19. Bad Interface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The channel system is a lousy user interface. Clearly efforts towards on-demand programming, channel guides, and such offered by cable and other providers are a big improvement over the old pure channel system. However, the interfaces are still way behind the kind of useability you see in smart phones, PCs, etc. The technology is here now to make these systems far better. Unfortunately, cable companies and the Bells are nothing more than "last mile" providers incapable of proving the innovation required.

  20. Passivity by Microlith · · Score: 1

    TV is fundamentally broken because it is completely passive. This is what advertisers and media companies love about it, though, and this is why they are pushing hard to break the Internet and turn computers into TV 2.0.

    They've succeeded partially, seen in the acceptance of the term "media consumption device" which is being used to cover virtually all of the new mobile space (and a point to shout down people who like to tinker, and in defense of DRM and lock-down.)

  21. Thing is... by abroadwin · · Score: 1

    So much of our commercial world is dictated by one idea: people don't know what they want. You think you're perfectly happy with your TV... until we make it better.

  22. Re:TV isn't relevant, so why care? by InsightIn140Bytes · · Score: 2

    Yes, almost everyone watches TV. Even more so outside the geeks, but even most geeks download and watch their favorite TV shows.

  23. Terrible lack of foresight. by gfxguy · · Score: 1

    But I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most TV viewers simply won't care enough about any of this stuff to shell out $1,500 for a new Apple TV, or spend a few hundred bucks and countless hours fiddling around adding a new box to their TV set and figuring out how it works.

    It's true... on top of the cost of the TV, I'm not going to spend $1500, or anything near that much, to "improve" TV... but that doesn't mean I (and most average people) wont' spend anything. Tivo was a great start; my DVR is integrated into my satellite system now, but I also have a $100 bluray player that gives me Hulu and Netflix access (among others).

    If people ("geeks") weren't spending so much effort on improving TV, I wouldn't be able to have that for $100 bucks (or less) now.

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    1. Re:Terrible lack of foresight. by blueg3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even Apple knows that you wouldn't spend $1500 for an Apple TV. That's probably why that product is $100.

    2. Re:Terrible lack of foresight. by blair1q · · Score: 1

      No, it's $100 because there are a number of other devices that do exactly the same thing that cost about $100 but don't suck you in to the Apple content system, which they can then use to manipulate more $'s from your pocket.

  24. Set-top boxes by dpilot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The thing most broken about TVs today is the blasted set-top box.

    Maybe in the living room it's ok to have an "entertainment center" with all sorts of electronic boxes wired together, and to have multiple remote controls, or spend $$ to buy something like a Logitech Harmony. But for every TV you've got?

    For the past few weeks Comcast has been putting the "You're not doing this right." messages on some channels on my TV. It looked like it might be merely "going digital", but last week I did a rescan on a digital TV, and didn't find the channels that warn. I'll rescan again Wednesday, after the switchover, but I'm not optimistic. So now the second TV (which actually is digital, unlike the "first TV") is about to need some sort of extra box, extra remote, and of course when the extra box is active we won't be able to get the broadcast HD channels without extra fiddling, etc. (Or we could spend more $$$ for an HD set-top box, etc.)

    THAT's what's broken about TV - and I don't see Apple TV or any of these other gizmos fixing that, unless they accept CableCard.

    Oh yeah, this upcoming change is going to break MythTV, or at least badly decrease its usefulness.

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    1. Re:Set-top boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      comcast in my area is all digital and you need a cablecard or stb with built in cablecard....

      luckily there are computer cablecard things now. I have an hd homerun prime (accepts a cable card) and mythtv works great.

    2. Re:Set-top boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said, this is exactly the most glaring problem. MSOs are making a money grab under the guise of improving service by offering digital TV. The problem is, to replicate what you had before, you must spend money on an HD box, a Tivo with cablecard (low cost) plus mirroring fees (often posted as an "additional outlet" charge that make the cost similar to a cable box, etc. I made a complaint to the FCC about this recently. Fat lot of good it will do. Now before anybody suggests moving to a competitor, there is none where I love. Broadcast DTV nets about 4 channels, two of which are ABC. Not even satellite (too many trees) is an option.

    3. Re:Set-top boxes by dpilot · · Score: 2

      I started looking at the cablecard capture cards a few months back, when they first popped up on the MythTV mailing list. It's an intriguing idea, but I have no idea how Comcast has (mis)used the broadcast flag in my area. It's entirely possible that I could spend a few hundred bucks on the capture card, then get one or two cablecards, go through the activation hassle, and discover that I get no new channels over what ClearQAM already offers. Nor do I have any idea what they're going to charge me for cablecards - it's in their best interest to charge as much as they do for a set-top box - or more.

      I was under the impression that Silicon Dust was going to be adding channel listings for cablecard as well as ATSC and ClearQAM, but so far see nothing for my zip code. I presume that's because nobody has tried it, yet.

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    4. Re:Set-top boxes by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      THAT's what's broken about TV - and I don't see Apple TV or any of these other gizmos fixing that, unless they accept CableCard.

      I think you're so close on this one, but what's broken about TVs will not be fixed when the AppleTV supports CableCard, but when the AppleTV has no reason to support CableCard. In my view, the problem is the cable companies themselves, or rather the whole setup of having a "cable company".

      With digital video and the Internet working the way it does, why on earth should I be locked into a specific provider by my geographic location? Why should I need to buy/rent specific hardware for that provider? Why should that provider be broadcasting video on channels, where I'm locked into watching shows on specific channels in a specific order at a specific time of day?

      Now I won't be shocked if some people disagree with me here, but in my view, this is one of those things where things were developed at some point based on the restrictions at the time, but if you were building things today, you wouldn't design it this way. Like someone comes in and says:

      I have a great idea for a Netflix competitor. It's just like Netflix, but without a good recommendation engine, you have to watch things on our schedule, we force you to watch ads, and we force you into renting hardware instead of watching it on your regular set-top box. Oh, and the set-top boxes we provide are absolute crap, which makes browsing frustrating. And it's great that browsing is terrible, because you have to browse through a million terrible 'channels' of time-locked content looking for something to watch. And best of all, we'll charge 10 times as much as Netflix!

      Now image that. Who listens to that and says, "Oh, that's a great idea!"

    5. Re:Set-top boxes by ArcCoyote · · Score: 1

      Apple TV already has no reason to support CableCARD - They are already on the a la carte model. You can buy/rent episodes and season passes for current shows from iTunes.

      Try this:
      add up the cost of even just renting every episode of every show you watch now from iTunes.
      Now compare that to your current cable TV package.
      Now imagine your cable company went straight a la carte and allowed you to drop all but the "lifeline" channels (OTA feeds and probably some public-access type stuff), bringing your bill down to $20/mo or so, then you watch everything not on the OTA networks by either paying extra per channel or for on-demand.

      Which of the three is really cheaper? If you follow a handful of shows religiously, you might be better off with OTA or lifeline + iTunes. If you only watch a handful of cable channels, you might save with the a la carte option a lot of people seem to want. But if you record a lot of different stuff so you have a variety of stuff to watch, you're probably better off with a cable package.

      Where I am, the basic HD service doesn't have a whole lot of junk. I hear FIOS is even better. Getting a 4-tuner Ceton greatly increased the value of basic cable, and Comcast doesn't charge me for the CableCARD. Adding an extra TV means buying a used Xbox 360. That's it.

      I personally would like to do package+a la carte. To get a few more channels I want (Science Channel, Nat Geo, BBC America) I need the "preferred" tier, which means I would also be paying for a lot of Encore/Flix-type movie channels that are made worthless by Netflix.

      Hear that Comcast? I don't mind paying for cable, and I WANT to give you more money, but I want to only pay for the "preferred" channels I'll watch.

    6. Re:Set-top boxes by thomasmoreorless · · Score: 1

      There have been attempts to "fix" this problem, but they have all been half-baked and as far as I can tell, intentionally neglected (or even sabotaged) by the cable companies. The latest, tru2way, promised that you could use any TV/DVR/etc for interactive features (CableCard is one way, no On Demand -- and even CableCard, although it works for some, is a mess in terms of billing, etc). Of course, only one TV by Panasonic ever supported tru2way, and it has been discontinued. No DVR's were ever commercially available.

      This is not a difficult technical problem. This is a game being played between the FCC and cable companies. The FCC mandates that cable companies open up, the cable companies come up with something that looks good on paper, and the whole thing goes down in flames because the cable companies have no incentive to follow through. Cable companies don't want to give up the revenue generated by forcing customers to rent absolute crap set-top boxes and DVR's. And the FCC just can figure out why this isn't working...

    7. Re:Set-top boxes by nine-times · · Score: 1

      This is not a difficult technical problem.

      I agree. This is more of a regulatory problem than a technical problem. In my opinion, there should be some attempt to separate out data-infrastructure providers from data-service providers, i.e. try to make it so that if you're an ISP, you can't also sell telephone/TV services over your own network. It's a complicated issue, and right now there's a monopoly/duopoly in most places in the US, so market forces won't sort it out.

    8. Re:Set-top boxes by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Apple TV already has no reason to support CableCARD - They are already on the a la carte model. You can buy/rent episodes and season passes for current shows from iTunes.

      The problem with these solutions, whether they be ad-supported (Hulu), renting (iTunes), or subscription (Netflix), are basically sabotaged by the cable companies and TV networks. The content libraries are often lacking, or else the terms they offer are poor. iTunes has a pretty good selection, but they require that you purchase, and not rent, most TV shows. In addition, a lot of shows come to iTunes late, and a few don't show up at all. Not only has Apple tried unsuccessfully to get content owners to allow TV shows to be rented uniformly, but they also haven't been able to get any of them to agree to any kind of "package subscription" deal that would allow you to bundle your subscripts together to save money.

      Netflix similarly can't get rights to new shows (i.e. showing episodes from the current season), and Hulu... well even when they have you pay money to watch ad-supported shows on your television, they still don't let you watch *all* the shows in their library on your television. It's just a subset.

    9. Re:Set-top boxes by nine-times · · Score: 1

      That being said, I did cancel my cable and instead pay for Netflix, Hulu Plus, and occasionally buy TV shows from iTunes. All told, it's still significantly cheaper, and I can watch most of what I want to.

    10. Re:Set-top boxes by thomasmoreorless · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. It is ludicrous to me that I cannot go out and purchase a DVR of my choice that works with my choice of television service. CableCard is a joke: one way only (no On Demand) and the cable companies seem to fumble the billing and logistics to the point that even they can't claim it is simple incompetence. And how about tru2way, which was going to solve all the problems? DOA! The one Panasonic TV that supported it has been discontinued. No DVR that supported tru2way was every commercially available (just a technology demo). I can't imagine why that failed... The cable companies came up with the idea to appease the FCC's desire for an open platform. Then they bungled the whole thing to ensure it did not impinge on the revenue stream the derive from forcing customers to rent crappy set top boxes and DVR's.

  25. And 640K is enough for everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's always room for improvement. Biggest improvement would be to remove some of the protections for media providers so that consumers have the choices they want.

  26. What's broken? by AdamJS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nothing.

    THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
    How's a TV manufacturer supposed to get more money if people aren't buying new TVs/their current doesn't have planned obsolescence?
    Then there's that pesky "internet" that's killing the cable cash cow.

  27. Program scheduling ... by crackerjack911 · · Score: 1

    is the most broken idea in the TV landscape. With current systems, its hard to know if there really isn't anything on or if you're just missing out on that one thing you always wanted to see. I need TV to intelligently learn what I like. Just because I watch that one lousy infomercial that drunk night after the bar doesn't mean thats all I enjoy to watch.

    On the other side, I don't need to talk to my TV or flail my arms like an idiot trying to get it to flip channels. I don't see anything wrong with the remote as it exists as an interface tool.

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    1. Re:Program scheduling ... by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      I'd suggest that the way scheduling works now would be just fine if you could, in addition to watching the "live" stream, choose to watch an archived version of anything that came before it, since the dawn of time. With the right system, there'd be no need for DVRs.

      On top of that, if there could be alternate options for funding: I don't mind advertising, but it'd be great if I could pay a buck or two for an episode, or 30 bucks for a season and avoid all the ads. Like a more flexible version of iTunes but with EVERYTHING available the moment it's gone out to broadcast and forward.

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  28. It's just on. by Animats · · Score: 3, Insightful

    About half of TV is not "watched". It's just "on". (Radio is almost entirely in the "just on" mode today.) A sizable, although shrinking, fraction of the population likes the rigid schedule of TV shows.

    3D TV was an awful idea. Everything, including the viewer, has to be positioned properly for it to work. If you lie down on the couch watching a 3D TV, you will have an eyestrain-inducing experience as your eyes try to converge on misaligned images.

  29. Geek want to destroy television... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as punishment for canceling firefly and arrested development.

  30. TV itself isn't 'broken' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TV isn't broken. Everything that around it seems to be. Buggy PVR firmware. Multiple screen formats requiring manual intervention. Broadcasters changing timeslots willy-nilly. Series haitus/disappearing/etc. The poster is right. I just want to watch my TV and not have to think in the process. If I want to think I'll go use my computer.

  31. needs targetted ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many times have you fellow guys seen the same ad for feminine hygiene products in the same hour.
    I think the experience would work better if the system was intelligent enough to target the ads at individual watchers or at least households.
    I'm a skinny guy who doesn't drive; I don't need to see ads for weigh watchers, menstrual pads, or the latest car.
    Show me a great ad for the latest tablet, solar panels, etc, and I might not head to the kitchen to make a sandwich.

    1. Re:needs targetted ads by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      A recent South American ad actually had a rendering of the inside of a woman's vagina. With some white liquid flowing in. I kid you not XD

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  32. What isn't wrong with TV? by stickyboot · · Score: 1

    The shows mostly suck. You have to slog through adds. I don't know when anything is on. Its different everywhere you go. The remotes and interfaces are terribly designed. For the most part, the TV, receiver and media players don't talk to each other. Thats why I stopped watching. I want to watch whatever I want, whenever I want, without adds. If someone can provide that for REASONABLE prices I would pay, but until that happens, I guess its up to me to figure out plus a copy of XBMC.

  33. USB by jimmerz28 · · Score: 1

    What's broken is being unable to play my AVI files directly from my USB on my TV, but thank goodness I can view my photos.

    1. Re:USB by doramjan · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you need a Western Digital TV Live (or equivalent device)

    2. Re:USB by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      quit whining and spend the $30 or $40 for the right pci card to hook your PC to your TV

    3. Re:USB by jimmerz28 · · Score: 1

      Requiring a computer near my television along with another cable to it is unnecessary and ridiculous just so I can play portable media files.

    4. Re:USB by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      no it isn't. there are TVs that you can plug USB into. of course, you'd have to spend hundreds of dollars to go that way to replace your existing TV. but way I mentioned for $35 can even go to TVs made in last 30 years. your choice.

    5. Re:USB by jimmerz28 · · Score: 1

      I think you may be misunderstanding the issue.

      I own several TVs with USB ports on them, they do not play/recognize video formats (such as AVI files); that needs to be fixed.

      And no I shouldn't have to have a separate piece of hardware in order to do that.

    6. Re:USB by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      An AVI file can contain virtually ANY video and audio format, it's just a type of container format not content. No one will ever make a TV that could play any and every AVI file. There are TV that can play movies in STANDARD file formats and with STANDARD codecs from USB, you could buy one. Did you buy something else?, if not that's your fault. But even if you bought all those WRONG KIND of TV with USB port, you can fix your mistake for nominal sum

    7. Re:USB by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Very early this decade, my friend's dad had a "DivX player", which played most AVI files acquired at the time.

      I think my current DVD player, which I know will do a slideshow of JPEG files on a USB stick, will play some types of video file.

    8. Re:USB by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Some media files are less "portable" than others. There's plenty of stuff that's too aggressively encoded for "portable" devices. It doesn't have to be huge BluRay stuff either.

      A computer isn't necessary but some other sort of device is. That reflects a genuine technological limitation of the TV itself as well as the high cost and long product cycle associated with it.

      Replacing a $300 or $100 box makes a lot more sense than replacing a device that may cost thousands.

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    9. Re:USB by jimmerz28 · · Score: 1

      You're right no one will make a TV like that, which is why I filed it under the "to be fixed"; or did you miss the question in the thread?

      (That also means all TVs btw)

      Not sure if you're a bad troll or just an idiot. Or maybe both.

    10. Re:USB by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Even if such a TV existed, it would be outdated almost immediately. Every couple of years, the warez crowd moves to some fancy new codec or container. But people expect the TV should last a decade or more. You're better off in the long run letting some other device decode the files that can be kept up to date.

      With that said, I was just looking at a Samsung TV that claims to be able to decode H.264 and Xvid in avi/mkv/mp4 files which means it should be good for what's out there at the moment. Didn't buy it so I can't comment on how it works though.

  34. It's not the TV by tylersoze · · Score: 1

    It's what's *on* the TV that's the problem. I realized the other day that I don't watch a single TV show on the 3 major networks, I don't even really know or care what's on their schedules anymore really, and only one on Fox, The Simpsons. The few other shows I watch like Breaking Bad, Justified, Curb, Daily Show, Colbert, are all on cable. Although the dearth of quality TV can be a good thing as well, I'm no longer tempted to veg out on the couch anymore.

  35. Piano by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a pianist. One thing that occurs to me is that the space where many households once had a piano, now that exact space is occupied by a television set. I'm referring to very specific homes, old homes where I know that essentially the floor plan was created in order for there to be space for a piano, often a grand piano. The amount of space that a television occupies includes seating and line-of-sight. In many houses it may easily be the largest allocation of space, even more than some bedrooms and garages. People take it for granted. I'm actually happy for this, since it means I can usually count on having space for my 6' grand piano, but that also means that television, if I bother with it at all, is always an afterthought. I tend to get into TV whenever war breaks out, and sometimes during election cycles, otherwise nothing.

  36. It is not TV. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is with the way media is distributed. In my opinion you should turn on the TV and see a couple channels with different stuff on them, a nice improvement would be selecting what you want to see, if you want to add stuff like web browsing you are going away from TV and adding features that belong somewhere else (not saying it wouldn’t be a welcome improvement).

    But TV should be just streaming media, not the primary distribution channel of media, you can turn on the TV to see programs being streamed but the media itself should be accessible in a better way.

  37. Reality Television... by __Paul__ · · Score: 1

    ...is everything that is wrong with television in a nutshell.

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  38. CAFETERIA CABLE!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what needs to be fixed. Buying 1300 channels of S*** on the TV to choose from (Pink Floyd x100!!!) just so I can get 5 that I actually want to watch is bullpoopey. That would revolutionize it. I don't need a new experience, device, UI, blah, blah, or blah... I want to subscribe to the channels I actually watch. Better yet, make it super stupid easy to favorite them so I can flip through just those. Oh how I hate the trash between the stations I like. And then there are the DEAD stations I don't subscribe to but show up in my guide anyway -- and are accessible just by hitting the Ch +/- button.

    Hey, TV/movie/broadcast folks. You want to know why your crap gets pirated?! Lame cable plans from the 1980s is why! Catch up! Give people what they want, not what you think you want them to have!

  39. The only thing broken is almost everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The model itself.

    Originally it was said it'd be subsidized by ads. Try running a stopwatch during primetime...at least ten years ago you could get nearly 45% or more advertising in movies, and 30% plus in 30 minute specials.

    In theory--cable would cover this cost. Except instead you just get more channels with the same unsolicited bulk broadcast.

    To go away from that, you need...oh... pay per view. Costs as much as renting the fucking thing, plus delivery.

    Or you can get HBO or cinemax which at a minimum of about 15 a month is near worthless assuming you want to watch a movie once a week, but are only a 1 in 4 chance of enjoying any given movie.

    So you get to pay about $100 a month or more in order to have irrelevant ads slung at you. And then you have that nice awkward experience of sitting down to watch something with your parents when a 'little blue pill' commercial comes on. Or a public service announcement. Or somebody asking for my money to feed children so they can take their 80% administrative fee.

    Let's try to sum up the problems with TV:
        - too much advertisement
        - not enough relevant content
        - cable top boxes making it hard to space shift in my home
        - artificial difficulty in time and space shifting
        - viagra
        - inability to watch when I want
        - insufficient box office content
        - serials pushed all over the fucking place by sports
        - networks moving things to different times, days, or even other networks
        - reruns.
        - It's damned near impossible to get a tv guide in paper.
        - The digital tv guides don't work reliably unless you have a cable box (and those are hard to scan quickly since the boxes are slow)
        - Oh yeah, the boxes are slow
        - A thousand other things

    Please, can we just brutally fucking murder the entertainment industry for holding something that was a simple, easy, functional service utilizing public spectrum utterly hostage?

    1. Re:The only thing broken is almost everything by Sebastopol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Please, can we just brutally fucking murder the entertainment industry for holding something that was a simple, easy, functional service utilizing public spectrum utterly hostage?"

      The solution is infinitely easier:

      Turn off your TV. Cancel your cable.

      Problem solved.

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    2. Re:The only thing broken is almost everything by dunezone · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or you can get HBO or cinemax which at a minimum of about 15 a month is near worthless assuming you want to watch a movie once a week.

      You are way off. HBO has always provided quality programming outside of their movies. Have you ever watched one of their original series? Sopranos? Boardwalk Empire? Entourage? They not only provide a full hour of entertainment for each of their series ad free but you get quality actors, directors, and producers and excellent budgets. The first episode of Boardwalk Empire cost an estimated $20 million dollars and the first season cost somewhere up to $50 million and the first episode was directed by Martin Scorsese.

      Have you ever seen Band of Brothers or The Pacific because those were HBO productions and are both amazing.

      Do you like boxing? Because HBO hosts their own major boxing matches and after every major sports championships they do a review of the team with highlights and stories. Their Red Sox back in 2004 was amazing to watch and I am not even a Red Sox fan.

      HBO also does specials. They did a entire documentary with Spike Lee on Hurricane Katrina and it was amazing.

      Oh and all of their series can be watched on their website at anytime with your subscription.

      Now I will say this. Its almost impossible if not impossible to get an HBO subscription without a standard cable package. But HBO is a prime example of great programming for a fair price. They evolved over time to move from a movie channel to a channel that can provide a wide range of value. They took the right steps to show its worth paying $15 a month. Now Cinemax and Showtime are pushing their own original series.

    3. Re:The only thing broken is almost everything by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      I would think this would be accurate, but everyone in this thread seems to be missing that TV has a 98-99% penetration in at least American homes. I gave up on it, and everyone thinks I'm nuts. Aside from the paper tv guide (WTF?), I agree with every point AC has put up there. Personally, I found TV an expensive and laborious task. And the content is not even worth just torrenting and watching. I just gave up, and don't miss it. I can't separate the content from the ads. Skipping through them with the PVR remote was just a chore. Most of what I watched was PBS that had no ads anyway, so I guess I could do that again, but why bother?

      Oh, some more reasons to add to the pretty complete list:

      - content never seems to fit my screen's resolution. Content always fit my screen before widescreen tvs came out, and now my tv is either too wide or too tall for the content.
      - picture quality sucks. HDTV is a misnomer. Picture quality peaked when cable HD was new, and degraded after that.
      - sound is inconsistent between channels and within a channel
      - Annual or multi-annual contracts. I thought this was only designed for cellphones, but TV too? What is next? All of my monthly services having multi-year contracts that only potentially hurt me? No thanks.
      - Its a time killer. And can be pretty expensive.
      - Many of the ads actually make me embarrassed even when I am alone.
      - To get "premium content" you have to pay out the nose with all the non-premium content as well.

      thats all I can think of now

    4. Re:The only thing broken is almost everything by ChrisMaple · · Score: 0

      Boxing is the reason I will never pay for HBO. I refuse to subsidize premeditated attempted murder.

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    5. Re:The only thing broken is almost everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that doesn't solve the wasted spectrum problem

    6. Re:The only thing broken is almost everything by fferreres · · Score: 2

      You don't understand. The reason Cable companies make billions and why Netflix has gone down to about $70 from $300 is that the content is the bait, not the product. Cable companies are good at selling YOU to advertisers, not selling content to YOU. It's so much profitable to to sell you, and share a part of that with content creators, that trying to make you the customer. If you are the customer, they can get $20-100 from you. If you are the product, they can sell your attention to offer crap for an unlimited amount, be it a mortgage, loan, school, product, etc.

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    7. Re:The only thing broken is almost everything by Shifty0x88 · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you have this problem or not but I have Fios and I can't even watch 1080p movies or shows... I mean I just got an HDTV because we were suppose to switch over to all digital HD content and they aren't even giving me the top standard, lame! (Best I get is 1080i)

    8. Re:The only thing broken is almost everything by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

      I hear what you are saying and agree, but I think that is an orthogonal issue. The only "hand" a person has in the battle against cable is their wallet. Its not like anyone needs movies, TV, or pop-music to live. You can just say "No". It's not like they have a gun to your head and you'll starve without the next episode of The Big Bang Theory.

      I'm honestly amazed (and disappointed) at how so few people think it is even an option to go without MPAA/RIAA content. You're playing right into their hands.

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    9. Re:The only thing broken is almost everything by fferreres · · Score: 1

      The thing is I like the content, but not being the product. I got upset with Netflix when they announced Quickster and canceled streaming. Then reasoned that I prefer them to Cable companies (I hate the STB and all they tactics, and all the commercials) and signed back. Another way to vote is not buying anything. But that's more like not voting, as in I don't care. I do care and voted for no ads, and no cheats (Cable)

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    10. Re:The only thing broken is almost everything by dwpro · · Score: 1

      I agree their content is great. It's a shame you can't buy HBO without having already paid for a cable subscription. Hell, I would pay for online only for something slightly more modest than $15...well, maybe a lot more modest, as it doesn't seem like they should be worth more than my entire netflix subscription.

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  40. TV is so bad I've stopped watching it entirely. by Karmashock · · Score: 0

    I rent the shows through netflix or something if they're worth it but otherwise I'd rather do almost anything else.

    This is the twenty first century. Get with the program. DVRs are just the start. Really, DVRs are a stop gap between what we have now and full video on demand service.

    And that's really where it needs to go. Television stations as they exist need to go away entirely. We don't need them. Instead, the shows can stand on their own as video on demand streams that can be pulled down at any time. The stations then would be more like movie studios in that they make the television shows but you don't really think about the studio when you go to see the movie. You think about the writers, the actors, or the story. But the station is irrelevant.

    So there you go... that's just off the top of my head. TV as it stands right now is tragically antiquated and needs to go fully digital and fully asynchronous. Once that happens they won't feel the need to fill 24 hours of programming every day. Instead, they'll focus on creating shows people ACTUALLY want to watch. That doesn't mean they'll be good but people will actually want to see them. And shows no one wants to watch will suffer the same fate as movies that no one wants to watch. They'll die and good riddance.

    About the only stations that make sense outside of this context are 24 hour news stations, live sports, and C-Span. Everything else should be chopped up into video on demand streams and sold/packaged individually with no link to anything else.

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    1. Re:TV is so bad I've stopped watching it entirely. by tsotha · · Score: 1

      This is the twenty first century. Get with the program. DVRs are just the start. Really, DVRs are a stop gap between what we have now and full video on demand service.

      This. The day I got my Roku is the day I decided there would never be any reason for me to get a DVR. Why should I have to store a copy of a show in my living room? I'll let the provider know when I want to see it, and he can send over the bits at that time.

  41. its still pretty broken by peter303 · · Score: 1

    You should be able to find the show you want instantly without having to scroll some large channel database. Or worse let it scroll for you.

    You should be able to get it when you want. But on-demand is a higher tier service here, approaching $100 a month.

    It should be free like the old broadcast days. Most cable channels have plenty of advertisers.

  42. Lawyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The overabundance of lawyers in media companies is what's broken with TV. Without all the lawyers, it'd be the greatest invention ever!

  43. what isnt broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's what I want in a tv
    A device with instant included access to every show/movie, available anytime.
    With options to sort by people, place,genre,rating as well as "channels" which are peoles picks of movies and shows something like pandora. Have all this included into tv so no box is needed as well. And a tv that's smart enough that if I turn on bluray/dvd player it had better go to the correct input automattivally. Oh and while we are wishing the ability to get its signal wirelessly for those who's cable hookup is in a brain dead location.

  44. Schedule conformity... by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The way TV currently works I'm asked to conform to a schedule set by an Exec that thinks will bring in the most eyeballs. When I was growing up (before we had a VCR) we would schedule our lives around what TV shows we wanted to watch. I remember that Monday was usually take out or quick meal night because that's when my mom wanted to watch her shows. New TV shows were introduced after the old ones we already liked. How many sitcoms were stuck in the spot after "Friends" in the hope that it would draw people too lazy to change the channel?

    My setup right now is SickBeard to Sabnzbd+ to XBMC. I paid $50 for a block of 1TB that I've been using since the middle of last year. I don't know and I don't care when most of the TV shows I watch are on. My TV time is usually midnight to 4 am. I'm in grad school, work and do a ton of other stuff on campus (Swing Club, international cooking classes, hang out with friends).

    Every TV show I currently watch has come from a suggestion from a friend, Slashdot, Reddit, or Fark. To avoid the disappointment that follows numerous shows I usually wait until the 3rd or 4th season to get into them. I just started Dexter this year. I watched all previous seasons in the span of 3-4 months. I literally just started Farscape. Breaking Bad, Community, Game of Thrones, It's Always Sunny, Chuck, etc. All came from suggestions.

    Then you have "Well if it's not in the #1 spot, it's failing" mentality of broadcast TV. Community is one of my favorite shows. Season 1 had me in stitches with some of the episodes. I lost it at the first Halloween episode when Abed was Batman. But NBC decided to bench it so "Whitney" and some other female comedian can get a boilerplated TV show. Cable TV is much better. HBO & Showtime seemingly don't care their global rankings but more about if they can get a core group of die hard fans. But those are "premium" channels and I'm sure as hell not going to pay $100+ a month to get them (because you need to add all the other channels I don't want). Chuck was brought back by a fan campaign and I'm glad taht it's going to get a proper final season but NBC seems intent to kill it anyway I heard they shifted it to something like Fridays. Because 18-30 year olds aren't doing anything else on Fridays? Seriously.

    Give me a legal torrent seconds after the TV show ends leave in the commercials and I'll watch it. But until then I can't imagine going back to "Oh, this airs Thursdays at 4"

    1. Re:Schedule conformity... by Tr3vin · · Score: 1

      Because 18-30 year olds aren't doing anything else on Fridays? Seriously.

      I know, right? Friday nights are for watching the last bit of Fringe before it is cancelled.

    2. Re:Schedule conformity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and do a ton of other stuff on campus (Swing Club, international cooking classes, hang out with friends).

      Tell me more abut this "Swing Club"

    3. Re:Schedule conformity... by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      Because 18-30 year olds aren't doing anything else on Fridays? Seriously.

      Go figure. I like Whitney and hated Community from the first show! Maybe my tastes changed after I finished grad school.

      I'll tell you one thing that hasn't changed though: my VCR still let's me watch my shows whenever I want, just like it did in 1976. For free! Without software updates!

      Crazy old school stuff, huh. It's like using a pen!

  45. nothing to watch by statsone · · Score: 1

    no new content. Repeats and repeats. Endless whole days showing the same show to fill air time. The shows shown on all the other cable channels owned by the same company. End the monopoly of cable and satellite companies owing the TV shows, cables shows, and internet access. Break up the companies and allow more choice.

  46. My list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's my list of what's wrong with TV:

    - Shows are only on at certain times
    - I don't/can't get all the channels I want
    - I'm forced to get channels I don't want
    - Having to know what channel or network a show is on makes it hard to find shows
    - The current methods of advertising make watching extremely annoying
    - The traditional options for getting additional programming are way too expensive, enrich horrible companies, and often involve also getting more ads
    - Using any method other than over-the-air (which has its own issues) involves dealing with companies that are anti-consumer (charge too much, want to limit what I can see and where I can see it, are actively trying to block my access to other content, etc.)

    I now have several devices to help me avoid using TV as it was intended, and they make it much easier. They find shows regardless of time, channel, or network. They offer me shows that aren't on networks I can receive. They let me watch the show any time I want, even years after the show has gone off the air. They let me skip ads or don't show them in the first place.

    The biggest problem isn't the tech, or what engineers are trying to do with it. It's the content providers and distributers who spend every waking minute trying to screw their users over.

  47. The US subscription model is the most broken thing by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This comment only applies to the USA. It may or may not apply to other countries.

    Here in the USA we basically have to pay some provider a monthly subscription fee. Yes, you can try to watch over the air (OTA) TV for free if you are lucky enough to get a good signal where you live, but the channels are very limited. So we get suckered into buying more channels than we want just to get the channels we do want. For example, you may want one particular sports channel but you have to buy 15 different ones in a package to get it and you'll never watch the other channels. TV providers fear letting customers buy channels a la carte as they know that their income would plummet. Off the top of my head I would think that most people would probably be happy with paying a lot less money for only 20-30 channels if they could pick those individual channels themselves. I have to admit that I have just about reached my limit with TV charges and another rate increase might just make me drop the whole thing and resort to cheaper alternatives to watch the shows I want to see at a later date and time. Some people argue that "Oh if you switched from cable to satellite" or vice-versa that you would "save a lot of money" but the reality is that once the introductory offers expire, the prices are pretty much the same whoever you get your TV from. What we really need in the USA is a way to drive down the costs to the consumers to subscribe in a way that doesn't take away our favorite channels. As long as the providers are able to get away with avoiding a la carte pricing, they've got us trapped.

    However, I have to say that I am not at all an Apple fanboy, but I am really impressed at how Apple took mobile telephones and pads and turned them into something actually useful that were generations ahead of earlier attempts to do so. It's been rumored for some time that "Apple TV" is going to debut next year and I am curious to see if Steve Jobs figured out something on TVs that Apple can make better in a way they did for portable music players, mobile phones and pads.

  48. I got rid of mine by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2

    Don't miss it.
     

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  49. The programming by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

    There is absolutely nothing worth watching.

  50. What's broken with TV. . . by JSBiff · · Score: 3, Insightful
    • Not easy to interface third party DVRs, computers, etc to cable boxes/cable systems. Cable card seems a broken and dead standard. Wouldn't be a problem except encryption means you can't just hook any potential HD TV equipment you might have to the cable and expect it to be able to receive all channels.
    • Still based around a temporal "broadcast" paradigm of "you watch it when we air it or you have to record it yourself for later viewing". Why not make all TV on-demand (except for, perhaps, special news coverage in an emergency, live speeches, etc (and even those could be made available on-demand afterwords). There has been some progress towards on-demand TV by cable operators, but still doesn't cover all programming.
    • I have to pay for channels I never watch and don't want. Please un-bundle tv channels. I'd like to take it a step further and have reasonable prices for individual shows/series. I mean, maybe I want to watch one series from HBO or Showtime or AMC or whoever, but don't care about the rest of their programming. Why can't I pay for access to just that series, and to be able to watch past seasons, etc?
    • High-Def-Copy-Protection (HDCP). Seriously, I hate DRM. I'm not trying to rip off the TV companies. I just want to be able to watch HD movies and TV shows which I've legally payed for and acquired access to, on my circa 2006 computer monitor, from my computer, without having to buy a *different* monitor, just because my "old" monitor doesn't support HDCP.
    1. Re:What's broken with TV. . . by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Cable CARD may be unloved, but its not dead. We'll be seeing Cable CARDs for at least the next decade, or we'll be forced to watch TiVo squealing in its death throes. Tivo has bet the farm on Cable CARD, i doubt the FCC is going to leave them hanging.

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    2. Re:What's broken with TV. . . by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cable Card is the last dying breath of the dinosaur. It's primarily a means to enforce an outdated status quo. It exists becuase there are too many monopoly vendors in the industry including those that provide particular bits of content and those that can deliver it to the consumer. All of them want to fight the future.

      Cable Card and all of it's associated nonsense is the manifestation of that.

      It's great. Assuming it actually works and your local cable operator doesn't knarfle it with the wrong DRM codes.

      Plus you have to be willing to use your local cable operator since it doesn't work with satellite competitors.

      Like I said... It's all about keeping the dinosaur alive.

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    3. Re:What's broken with TV. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me, a cable company employee [Yes. One of Those people], answer the points from above.

      Not easy to interface third party DVRs, computers, etc to cable boxes/cable systems.

      This is easy to explain off, but I kind of feel the obfuscated approach may work better. In the computer world; How easy is it to get many companies to agree on a single specification? For example, the recent HTML5 video codec.

      Cable card seems a broken and dead standard.

      That is more or less correct.

      Wouldn't be a problem except encryption means you can't just hook any potential HD TV equipment you might have to the cable and expect it to be able to receive all channels.

      Still correct and very unlikely to change. Though to elaborate. TVs sold within the last few years are completely capable of tuning to any unencrypted channel on broadband cable. The reason for the encryption is, to get people to pay. All the equipment from the satellite receivers, the signal processing in the headend, the distribution amplifiers and cable, to many other things that could be listed; costs lots of money. As long as you plug the cable (provided there is no signal interruption) into that recent TV, you get all the unencrypted channels regardless of if you pay for cable or not.

      Still based around a temporal "broadcast" paradigm of "you watch it when we air it or you have to record it yourself for later viewing". Why not make all TV on-demand (except for, perhaps, special news coverage in an emergency, live speeches, etc (and even those could be made available on-demand afterwords). There has been some progress towards on-demand TV by cable operators, but still doesn't cover all programming.

      That is the reason I had to reply. Why isn't everything VOD? (Video On Demand)
      First, let me explain (the really simple version) how VOD works. There is a server farm with content, more than likely in the Headend of the cable company. When someone wants to watch some content, the server farm plays the file and then the Video/Audio stream is broadcast to your home just like every other encrypted channel. There would be a need for upgrades to the system, to handle that much content. The server farms alone would be huge compared to what they may currently have. All that extra equipment comes at a price that I know the customers do not want to pay right up front for. But maybe you should keep waiting and paying your bill. Some of that money may be going to building that larger farm up. I know it is where I work. And it doesn't matter if it is Broadcast like I described above, or a stream like YouTube or Netflix. The content will have to available someplace.
      So the real reason why it isn't that way? Still cost; and maybe availability of equipment. Though maybe the reason for those cable bills being higher than you like is because they are building that huge new server farm.

      I have to pay for channels I never watch and don't want. Please un-bundle tv channels. I'd like to take it a step further and have reasonable prices for individual shows/series. I mean, maybe I want to watch one series from HBO or Showtime or AMC or whoever, but don't care about the rest of their programming. Why can't I pay for access to just that series, and to be able to watch past seasons, etc?

      Two answers there.
      The content providers want it that way. There have been attempts to get people what you want. Problem is, ALL sides have to agree on whats happening.
      The other answer, it can't quite be done with the existing infrastructure. At my company, we are close to being able to do so, but would have to upgrade various systems to be able to reliably offer channels on a pick and serve basis. So yet again it comes down to the cost.

      High-Def-Copy-Protection (HDCP). Seriously, I hate DRM. I'm not trying to rip off the TV companies. I just want to be ab

    4. Re:What's broken with TV. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is easy to explain off, but I kind of feel the obfuscated approach may work better. In the computer world; How easy is it to get many companies to agree on a single specification? For example, the recent HTML5 video codec.

      Why would there need to be a single spec? There isn't a single standard IR code set, but DVRs and universal remotes seem to be able to deal with it. Just make hardwired control possible and the controlling device will take care of the rest. There is every possible kind of port on the back of the cable box, but anything other than A/V output and power is unavailable for consumer use. Why does it have to be so hard to reliably change the channel? Oh, right, because the cable companies don't want to give up control of any kind.

  51. Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Own A Te by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Own A Television

    CHAPEL HILL, NC–Area resident Jonathan Green does not own a television, a fact he repeatedly points out to friends, family, and coworkers–as well as to his mailman, neighborhood convenience-store clerks, and the man who cleans the hallways in his apartment building.

    Jonathan Green, who tells as many people as possible that he is "fully weaned off the glass teat."

    "I, personally, would rather spend my time doing something useful than watch television," Green told a random woman Monday at the Suds 'N' Duds Laundromat, noticing the establishment's wall-mounted TV. "I don't even own one."

    According to Melinda Elkins, a coworker of Green's at The Frame Job, a Chapel Hill picture-frame shop, Green steers the conversation toward television whenever possible, just so he can mention not owning one.

    "A few days ago, [store manager] Annette [Haig] was saying her new contacts were bothering her," Elkins said. "The second she said that, I knew Jonathan would pounce. He was like, 'I didn't know you had contacts, Annette. Are your eyes bad? That a shame. I'm really lucky to have almost perfect vision. I'm guessing it's because I don't watch TV. In fact, I don't even own one."

    According to Elkins, "idiot box" is Green's favorite derogatory term for television.

    "He uses that one a lot," she said. "But he's got other ones, too, like 'boob tube' and 'electronic babysitter.'"

    Elkins said Green always makes sure to read the copies of Entertainment Weekly and People lying around the shop's break room, "just so he can point out all the stars and shows he's never heard of."

    "Last week, in one of the magazines, there was a picture of Calista Flockhart," Elkins said, "and Jonathan announced, 'I have absolutely no idea who this woman is. Calista who? Am I supposed to have heard of her? I'm sorry, but I haven't.'"

    Tony Gerela, who lives in the apartment directly below Green's and occasionally chats with the 37-year-old by the mailboxes, is well aware of his neighbor's disdain for television.

    "About a week after I met him, we were talking, and I made some kind of Simpsons reference," Gerela said. "He asked me what I was talking about, and when I told him it was from a TV show, he just went off, saying how the last show he watched was some episode of Cheers, and even then, he could only watch for about two minutes before having to shut it off because it insulted his intelligence so terribly."

    Added Gerela: "Once, I made the mistake of saying I saw something on the news, and he started in with, 'Saw the news? I don't know about you, but I read the news."

    Green has lived without television since 1989, when his then-girlfriend moved out and took her set with her.

    "When Claudia went, the TV went with her," Green said. "But instead of just going out and buying another one–which I certainly could have afforded, that wasn't the issue–I decided to stand up to the glass teat."

    "I'm not an elitist," Green said. "It's just that I'd much rather sculpt or write in my journal or read Proust than sit there passively staring at some phosphorescent screen."

    "If I need a fix of passive audio-visual stimulation, I'll go to catch a Bergman or Truffaut film down at the university," Green said. "I certainly wouldn't waste my time watching the so-called Learning Channel or, God forbid, any of the mind sewage the major networks pump out."

    Continued Green: "People don't realize just how much time their TV-watching habit–or, shall I say, addiction–eats up. Four hours of television a day, over the course of a month, adds up to 120 hours. That's five entire days! Why not spend that time living your own life, instead of watching fictional people live theirs? I can't begin to tell you how happy I am not to own a television."

  52. The article has a major fundamental flaw. by kelemvor4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A thing does not have to be "broken" in order for change/progress to be made. Telephones weren't "broken" when cellular phones were invented, and the horse drawn carriage wasn't "broken" when the automobile was invented. It isn't broken, companies are just trying to make money by making progress in a technology that people are interested in.

    1. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From the way the summary frames the discussion (which I am assuming it gets from the article), both telephones and horse drawn carriages were "broken" at the times you specified. With horse drawn carriages there were two problems that automobiles solved. First, you had to fuel/feed your horse, even if you weren't going anywhere, an automobile you only have to fuel if you want to use it. Second, horse drawn carriages had a maximum sustainable speed that made travel of any significant distance (more than a few miles) a serious undertaking. As for telephones, people had to know specifically where you were and the number of the nearest telephone in order to get a hold of you. If you were someone who spent a good deal of time going from one place to another that made reaching you problematic.

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    2. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 1

      ... the horse drawn carriage wasn't "broken" when the automobile was invented. ...

      Horse poo. Literally tons of in on NY city streets. http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/our-economic-past-the-great-horse-manure-crisis-of-1894/

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    3. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree.

      One thing that I would love to see is in the area of sports casting. Why not send the games scores as XML and let me create my one templates so that I can turn the scores on/off at will and display them as I like instead of how the network wants me to see it. Of course they could supply default templates, but think of the possibilities.

    4. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Why not send the games scores as XML and let me create...

      I'm sorry, did you say "let me create"? Game scores are valuble proprietary IP . Like hell you'll get the raw feed...

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    5. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by Kadagan+AU · · Score: 1

      Second, horse drawn carriages had a maximum sustainable speed that made travel of any significant distance (more than a few miles) a serious undertaking.

      The problem with this way of thinking is how would you know that horse drawn carriages were "too slow" when there is nothing faster? Horses were the fastest means of transportation known at the time.. Maybe there's a serious improvement coming to the future of TV that the majority of people haven't conceived yet?

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    6. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      But there was something faster, the steam locomotive. But even without that there was a desire to be able to move faster. The question is, what do you desire from TV that can be solved by a technological improvement? Not necessarily something you think is practical, just what technology (even if it is just a fantasy) would improve the TV experience? I cannot think of anything (although I would not be surprised if someone else could).

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    7. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by markjhood2003 · · Score: 1

      With horse drawn carriages there were two problems that automobiles solved. First, you had to fuel/feed your horse, even if you weren't going anywhere, an automobile you only have to fuel if you want to use it. Second, horse drawn carriages had a maximum sustainable speed that made travel of any significant distance (more than a few miles) a serious undertaking.

      You forgot about the third problem, the vast amounts of horse poo clogging the city streets. I seem to recall some projection at the time that claimed a limit to the growth of urban environments based on the amount of horse manure a city could reasonably dispose of.

    8. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by benedictaddis · · Score: 1

      Don't forget shit in the first case. Piles of horseshit were threatening to overwhelm city streets by the late 1800s, pace Super Freakonomics.

    9. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by Kadagan+AU · · Score: 1

      Holographic 3D. Something that looks a lot more realistic than the current 3D.

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    10. Re:The article has a major fundamental flaw. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      If they can design a "TV" that is true 3D and does not need glasses, it might be such a step up. It would have to be something that when I move, I can see what is behind something in the foreground. It would completely change the way that TV shows and movies are filmed. I am not sure it would turn out to be an improvement because of the way it would change filming (it would make it harder for the director to hide, or emphasize, minor details that are significant to the plot).

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  53. VOD - and not the onDemand crap by kakris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is absolutely no reason in with today's technology that we can't have real video on demand. There is no reason I shouldn't be able to watch any show I want, whenever I want. If the providers want to include commercials, then so be it, but they're delaying the inevitable and forcing people into piracy with limited availability of programming online and by only allowing viewing within a limited window. The major television providers now offer "on demand" services, but these have serious limitations. All they're doing is giving people a taste for what could be. A cable company that offered true video on demand could absolutely clean up in the market, but the content providers are far to unwilling to shift their business models to match the desires of consumers. 50 years from now, children will express disbelief when told that you had to wait for a specific time to watch your favorite program, much like I had a hard time I had as a child grasping that television used to be only black and white.

  54. Commercials and On-Demand by apdyck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The very fundamental principle of using television as a revenue generator is broken. I would gladly pay for a service that allowed me to watch whatever shows I wanted, when I wanted, with no commercial interruption. I am not willing to pay for a service that forces me to watch three minutes out of ten of commercials, and I certainly don't like to adjust my viewing schedule to accomodate the shows I want to watch! It is much easier for me to download shows and watch them later than it is for me to be in front of my television while they are being broadcast. If I want to watch a live event, such as a sports game, I can always head to the local pub and watch it there. I currently have basic cable and I pay ten dollars a month for it. The only reason I have that is that I purchase my internet through the cable company and, even paying $120 for the whole year, I was able to save a bunch of money on my Internet services ($300 off over three months, plus a 5% discount on my total bill, that amounts to a savings of $240 over the course of a year). I rarely turn it on. Not even for sporting events. Fix the delivery system and make it more accessible. Charge based on what you watch, rather than what channels you watch. If I was charged $0.25-0.50 per show I watched I would be inclined to watch more. But paying a monthly fee for a bunch of stuff I will never watch? Not worth the money.

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    1. Re:Commercials and On-Demand by emagery · · Score: 1

      I was just having a nearly verbatim discussion regarding voice communication; I'm willing to pay for wireless data plans and a VOIP connection (say, in attempting to make an ipad or similar by SOLE computing/communication device)... but not for a single damn voice minute. Prepaids typically run me about $30/minute... my iphone about $90/minute. So yeah, I empathize!

  55. TV Must Not Die by lucm · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is very important that TV continues to exist as it is, as well as PVRs. Otherwise, people won't be able to upload the good tv series on usenet so I can download commercial-free episodes and watch them on my PS3.

    House, the Big Bang Theory, Family Guy, the Mentalist, Supernatural, Storage Wars, Dexter: good entertainment for about 400MB/hour (I don't care much for HD).

    A good usenet provider with a decent retention is not free (maybe 10$/month) but the insanely fast download combined with the excellent filtering provided by hand-crafted search engines (such as Nzbmatrix or Newzbin) is worth it. And for the poor people, I think there is some stuff available on P2P (if you don't mind getting some weird midget porn when you look for Disney content), but I find it slow and dirty.

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    1. Re:TV Must Not Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      Otherwise, people won't be able to upload the good tv series on usenet

      The first rule of USENET, is that you do not talk about USENET.

    2. Re:TV Must Not Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could just pay for the shit you want to watch. If nobody pays for content, it won't get made. If it gets made and released in some form it will get uploaded to usenet and bittorrent. What is broken is that you can't pay to stream TV series on demand for a reasonable price.

  56. right question, wrong audience? by bazorg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "So, what do you think is broken about TV right now? "

    I'm a spectator so maybe that question could be answered by a different type of stakeholder. The stakeholder who might be interested in using the Kinect to ensure that adverts stop while the spectators go to the toilet; or that stakeholder who wants internet streaming to be protected from skipping the commercials. That stakeholder will find plenty things broken in the current state of the TV technology.

    1. Re:right question, wrong audience? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For all of those who haven't paid attention to this post — the possibility envisioned here is a serious worry. The technology exists to pretty much force you to watch ads, in order to see the shows you want to watch. Take Kinect + face recognition... if you aren't sitting in front of the tv when the ads play, you don't get your premium content.

      Welcome to the future.

  57. I dunno... by emagery · · Score: 1

    I've kept the promise to myself that I won't be buying another TV until I can literally roll it onto an entire wall like wallpaper. The precursors to that technology already exist, so there's plenty of room in perfecting and economizing the concept.

    1. Re:I dunno... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      umm .. not the precursors .. but the actual tech ..

      PROJECTION !!

  58. Simple Answer - Monopoly/Cost by Demoknight · · Score: 1

    We've seen prices crash in many media markets due to increased availability and competition due to the increased deployment of broadband.
    But the cable/satellite industry is apparently still recouping their costs of infrastructure that was deployed and payed for over and over again by subscribers with very little options.
    I'd like to know that with an increase in the amount of available sources for entertainment that standard television will be coming down in price - but it just doesn't seem that way.
    The price for cable subscriptions is absolutely ridiculous considering the entire industry is not open.

    Sorry I'd prefer to spend more time with this one - I've seen a big rant on CNN.com recently about the same thing and all I can think of is... What ISNT broke about television?

  59. Dumb display by HideyoshiJP · · Score: 0

    I just want a super high quality dumb display. The only thing wrong with TV consumption is that there are better options for certain circumstances for consuming content. I want to do this with a set-top box, however. I don't want a TV with apps on a market that won't be supported in a year's time.

  60. Too complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone who provides support to customers for televisions, the overriding problem seems to be that the TVs are too complicated for a lot of people to change settings on/navigate.

    In the not too distant past, TVs had only a few changeable settings (brightness, contrast, colour saturation, etc) and changes were made by turning dials on the front of the set, or pressing dedicated buttons on the remote control. These days, the settings are done via the on-screen menu and despite the various options being clearly labelled (imo), people often don't seem to be able to navigate the menus and change settings without guidance.

    Likewise with tuning in the TVs. People seem to find it difficult to press the 'Menu' button > go to 'settings' > select 'automatic channel scan'. It'd be much easier for them to have just a dedicated 'retune' button on the set itself.

    In terms of the broadcasts themselves, the main problem seems to be (in the UK, at least) that there's too many channels but not enough unique content.

    1. Re:Too complicated by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      As someone who provides support to customers for televisions, the overriding problem seems to be that the TVs are too complicated for a lot of people to change settings on/navigate.

      In a sense, the "TV repairman" is back.

      New TVs have gotten sufficiently complicated that my Mom can't use hers without occasional house calls for the kind of things you describe. I'm 6 hours away, so this means pestering my sister to come over or calling the neighbors for help. I guess that's OK if the whole TV industry is cool with equipment not really being general consumer tech anymore. She's probably not a desirable demographic anyway.

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  61. Inline Interactivity? DEAD,DEAD,DEAD by phorest · · Score: 1

    How lame was all that interactivity where viewers would chat about the show in real-time?
    What a crappy experience that was.
    It's not surprising that it went away after a few choice trials (I seem to remember it was a geeky show on FOX). Now it seems some shows (Dexter?) are using their website or dedicated app to do those things now. Think of it as opting-in for the interactivity, those who want that can still have it.
    My point is why step on the product with crap that takes away from from all that passivity...

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  62. a bunch of boring geeeky show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thats the problem - a bunch of boring geeeky show!!!

  63. Cable Packages by spiffmastercow · · Score: 1

    I would gladly pay for HBO. I will not, however, pay for a $100 cable package that's required before I can opt for HBO. So instead the cable company gets nothing from me.

  64. The problem isn't the hardware it's the services. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Monopolies don't help. Once cable company per area? Way to ensure the crappiest service for the consumer. I want to ditch cable and go to FIOS? No, Verizon can't be had in an area serviced by AT&T. Really? Then of course, there's the fact that most of our costs are going to subsidize the sports channels. Why can't I just get the dozen or so channels I want and pay for that? If competition were possible I'd bet someone would soon be offering that, but it's not.

    Sadly, Netflix and Hulu plus are not really viable alternatives, as they are still missing content, or seriously delayed. Until they are, TPB will be the best way to get your TV.

  65. Dont fix something until its broken. by sunr2007 · · Score: 1

    When i was learning kernel programming , one of things they often told is that dont fix something until its broken. Never. If they are going to do with TV it will be a disaster. Last they did something like this was for Google Reader. Now almost nobody uses it . it has just become a pet peeve for google+. sorry google fuck you for this.

  66. Digital is on/off. by Pendant · · Score: 1

    I'm all for digital TV. Digital is on/off. [Idiotbox in off mode] > [idiotbox in on mode].

  67. What's broken by mbone · · Score: 1

    TV is in most places currently is transported by bits that are sent differently from all other bits, on different networks using different technology, for legacy historical reasons. Whether or not that is "broken," it is going to change.

    That's technically. From a business standpoint, there is lots that is broken, including the bundled channel subscription model (this is akin to making you subscribe to 8 or 10 woodworking magazines to get a subscription to "Rolling Stone" and 8 or 10 gossip tabloids to get a subscription to "National Geographic").

  68. Telcos/Cable Companies Make TV Broken On Purpose by Tufriast · · Score: 2

    Honestly, I don't want, will not pay for, or even deign to give a red cent to telco companies and their garbage they call TV for a number of reasons.

    1) TV doesn't do its job anymore. News in particular. Entertain and inform were the tasks at hand. Instead I see middle American slobs neither entertaining nor informing me of anything useful. Reality shows and garbage slant news coverage is not something I will pay for. 2) The TV that is good is covered up, hidden, made inaccessible, or mired in advertisements - if it survives some political TV executives wide-swung axe. (Examples: Eureka, Firefly, Community, and many others.) 3) The price is exorbitant. When people say they are paying for 1,000-3,000 channels they are forgetting they DO NOT NEED 1,000-3,000 channels. Nor will they watch that much garbage content. They are forcing a justification to price gouge you. 4) TV in its current iteration is a problem that telcos have forced us to have. Its complex, there are huge software issues, huge time slot issues, and even bigger hardware complexity issues that make it so unwieldy most leave the damn thing off. We're paying middle men of middle men for the right to look at content that is shit. I don't need more middle men. 5) It does not meet demand. It demands of you. 'YOU BE HERE AT THIS TIME AND THIS PLACE AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME MILDLY ENTERTAINING TRASH.' I don't think anyone should pay for that - not today not ever. I run my life, not some damn box. I don't care if its a sporting event, debate, or "hit show" b/c it will be forgotten inside of a year.

    We need a simplistic a la carte system where we can pick what we want, when want, and how we want it, and how much we're willing to pay for it. Nothing more, nothing less. Because of monopolistic practices inside of the communications industry and due to network greed we don't have that. Instead we have the opposite of that and then some.

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  69. cd, walkman, soneage wheel were not broken either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    world was flat, etc

    why fix it????

  70. Wrong Question by apcullen · · Score: 1

    The tech industry isn't trying to re-imagine TV because there's something wrong with it. Companies like Apple and Google are trying to re-invent TV because they don't make any money off of it the way it is. Cable companies, networks and studios make a crap load of money from delivering TV content, and the tech industry wants a piece of that.

  71. Apart from content by no-body · · Score: 1

    The economic system is maxed out (continuous exponential growth in limited space) and further attempts to produce more growth/income/profit result in silliness.
    That's why perfectly working systems are abandoned for less functional, faster deteriorating and more overall expensive gadgets and services.

  72. Sounds like retailers... by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

    Sounds like retailers and television manufacturers are grumbling about market saturation. Didn't they get enough money from the last federally mandated and subsidized change in television broadcast formats?

    Nothing is wrong with the current television. I can view local news and weather and it accepts video inputs from my games, netflix, dvr, and dvd player. What else do I really need?

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  73. The UI, stupid by Firehed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Channel-flipping worked fifteen years ago when we had maybe 50 channels. The hundreds we have today, often duplicated in different formats? Not so much. The entire experience is just awful and broken:

    * Content discovery is awful
    * The menus, channel guides, and other navigation stuff are some of the worst experiences I've seen (I generally avoid TV, so when I see them in use at friends' houses I cringe)
    * We still have the idea of content being delivered by channels in timeslots. Talk about being stuck in the past. Everything is delivered digitally now, yet we still push content in a way that was built around the restrictions of analog broadcasting. I realize it's not exactly the same, but given that we re-use the lines for cable internet connections, it's clearly possible to have two-way communication. We use DVRs as a lousy hack to get around this, but the future is clearly a more iTunes-like experience in the sense of "get the three most recent episodes of the show"
    * Pricing is a mess. They try to hit you everywhere for all sorts of different things. Six levels of TV service, PPV options, premium channels, rental fees, etc. There are so many things they could do to make this simpler, and yet they continue to make it more confusing, presumably to trick people into being upsold. That can't be sustained indefinitely.
    * Content overload - and nothing worth watching (obviously that's a matter of opinion)
    * Extremely complicated set-up. All of these digital systems have such poor integration with each other, despite decent attempts to make systems smarter. HDMI was designed in part to alleviate this, but I'm still trying to get everything working in harmony. Even just some UI tweaks and speedups to flip between input sources would be a huge improvement. Why must I slowly (very, very slowly!) scroll through a list of uselessly-named inputs? Just put up a grid of things that are receiving content and let me arrow between them. And for the love of god, make it more responsive.

    I may be a poor case study not being a big fan of "I'm bored; placate me with mindless content", and I find TV to be a very ineffective way to get news; however, I can still look at the overall experience pretty objectively. Hulu and iTunes among others are making steps in the right direction, but that experience is still largely limited to the computer, and what's done on TVs is kludgy at best. The AppleTV is decent and the Hulu app for internet-enabled TVs is, last I used it, extremely buggy and also requires a premium subscription.

    I've wasted enough time thinking about it for now, but the headline of "TV isn't broken" is just absurd. I can hardly think of an experience that would be a better poster-child of "barely-functional, bordering on unusable".

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  74. Are you kidding? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Pick up your remote and gaze in horror at the UI we've come to accept (http://goo.gl/9NLr9)? The eyeball-popping UI extends to the on-screen menus. If you accidentally press one of the 17 different menu buttons, God be with you.
    2) It takes way to much bandwidth. DOCSIS 3.0 gets squeezed over 4 channels, and that's considered "fast". The rest are devoted to mostly awful programming that no one in your house cares about.
    3) That big ugly cable box is a massive power suck. It makes no difference whether you turn it off. It's always on and always sucking down power.

    and finally, though this is not a technology problem...
    4) The content is mostly awful. At any given moment, at least half of everything being broadcast on TV is lies. Commercials. Infomercials. History Channel UFO documentaries. Ghost hunting shows. "Reality" television. Fox News. The vast educational potential of this medium has been almost totally squandered.

  75. "Reality" TV by sremick · · Score: 1

    The main reason I watch so little TV? All these crap "reality" shows. They're like an infection. Started by MTV, and now they've taken over Sci-Fi (oh, excuse me... "SyFy" *barf*), Food Network, Discovery Channel and even the History Channel. That last one is especially infuriating... what on earth do all these crap, modern reality shows have to do with "history"? Even their new slogan tries to get them off the hook: "History: Made every day". In other words, "since anything ultimately becomes 'history' eventually, it means we can show whatever we'd like".

    Put something worth watching on, and I'll watch more TV. Until then, I'll "suffer" with the bare-minimum satellite package and watch mostly movies.

  76. Getting What You Pay For... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is access to content. Not with cable/satellite service but the content found on those services.

    There are likely hundreds, perhaps thousands, of shows playing at any given time but the best we're able to come up with is each channel shown on a scrolling grid. And even there the show titles generally aren't displayed in full or the show description shows information that isn't necessarily relevant to the user. So the information about the content is distorted and virtually un-searchable. Think how difficult it would be to find files on your computer if the folder descriptions were hastily put together and in no discernible order and then the files names don't explicitly show what the file contains. That's TV.

    The second issue is that the content is minimally searchable. On most systems there is a search capability but it's a rudimentary option on the cable box and it generally works by show title not necessarily content. We've come to expect search options to 'understand' what it is that we are looking for. They can't read our minds and figure out exactly what we want but there's at least a minimal amount of intelligence in results and can make inferences based on what we enter. TV menus search (in my experience) by only comparing what you type in to the titles of the shows. This limits access.

    Finally, and I'll include this as a minor inconvenience, but remote controls really don't allow a great deal of interactivity. It's not that we need to be able to control the screen by our voices or some other complicated means of usability but that there should be some way besides moving up, down, left or right for all navigation. When the instance presents itself, the interface needs to follow suit. For computing, we have mice, touch pads, touch screens, keyboards, voice commands, etc. and each works for the specified use. But in several decades the largest improvement we've made in TV interactivity seems to be universal remotes (although I still have at least two at any given time).

  77. The only thing broken... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only thing broken about TV is the lack of good content. Technicians and engineers can't fix that problem.

  78. Wronnggggg by CapnStank · · Score: 1

    Why is TV Broken to the consumer? Because no one wants to wait for anything. I want to watch show X *now* and I don't want ads. I want to be able to rewind, pause and everything else that comes great with a TV viewing experience. Has PVR solved this? Kind of, but it still is at the mercy of TV where you only get to watch what you've recorded and space can be limited.

    People have realized all these faults. That is why so many people move away from TV now towards over-the-top offerings that have the "on demand" nailed down. How are we going to save TV? By providing features that pre-recorded alternatives can't offer. For the most part that means enhancing Live TV. You want to see sport stats of the player that's up to bat? Good, its right here. Can't decide what to watch? Have your TV remind you when favorite shows are coming on based on your viewing history. Want a little trivia info on the current movie/actor? Bam!

    TV was traditionally passive and it failed. I don't want to watch reruns and I don't want to have to wait 15 minutes for the next episode to start because its borrrinngggg. TV needs work to keep people interested or else they'll go to streaming options. Don't fight it. Don't pretend its not an issue because it is. What makes me think I can speak on the subject? I work for an telecom that has IPTV offerings and spent about a year doing application development and server administration for the IPTV service. A lot of that time was dealing with marketing and understanding the trends in the market to keep my job.

  79. RTFA: TV HARDWARE is broken. Not programming. by Nylathotep · · Score: 1

    The article is about why TV hardware is broken. Not the shows available, which seems like every thread in this post is complaining about.

    and to me it just sounds like this guy is channeling the ghost of Andy Rooney. TV is very broken once you start using any device other than an antenna. It takes so much work to make multiple devices work together, and even when you succeed, the chances of family members knowing how to work it is unlikely at best.

    Every piece of hardware should have a universal control protocol that allows it to work together seamlessly. When you turn on the dvd, it should set the receiver and the tv input automatically. If you get vendor lock, sometimes you can get such things but even that's rare. Most people struggle with the very concept of tv inputs and when you have tvs with 8 or so, it's easy for mom to get lost.

    No matter what, function requires a massive traditional remote control, which people don't use a 1/10 of. I don't know what the solution will look like, but it's nice to think at some point man will advance to a point where they can operate their entertainment system.

  80. Uh... Missing the point? by justdiver · · Score: 1

    The article and the question are referring to the TECHNOLOGY behind TVs. How can we streamline the technology to make the viewing experience better? 90% of these comments are about how bad commercials are and how bad the shows have become. Missing the point a little aren't we? Although I did like the comment about programs from other countries. That would be pretty cool.

    1. Re:Uh... Missing the point? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 2

      The article and the question are referring to the TECHNOLOGY behind TVs. How can we streamline the technology to make the viewing experience better? 90% of these comments are about how bad commercials are and how bad the shows have become. Missing the point a little aren't we?

      Perhaps we're missing the point. Or perhaps TFA asked the wrong question.

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    2. Re:Uh... Missing the point? by blair1q · · Score: 1

      No, when we have technology that reduces the problem of commercials and bad shows, then we will have solved the problem.

      Of course, that technology has been around since the day the first home VCR was powered up.

      It's called "time-shifting your favorite shows and fast-forwarding through the ads."

      So the problem now is that people like to whine about a problem that was solved long ago. I can solve that by applying the principle of "closing my browser window and going to dinner."

  81. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Airlines where fine back in the 50s to with prop engine planes....should we have stayed at that to?

  82. My TV experience is already optimized. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    I don't watch it. I use internet blogs for aggregated news. I watch movies seldom, but when I do, it's online. Books are still cheap, easy and work when the power is out. Mainstream media has been thoroughly captured by 6 corporations and the members who sit on their boards. Do I need more nonsense propaganda during my day?

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  83. TV offerings == Garbage by ackthpt · · Score: 2

    And I don't mean the band.

    Television is so chock full of advertising it's almost unwatchable. It's corrupted game-play in sports (TV timeouts) and it's becoming less free than ever before. Most College Bowl games, as an example, are now on cable/satellite channels - channels you have to have a subscription to watch. Several years ago they were on ABC/CBS/NBC, but not many anymore.

    HDTV, which was the dream for decades has arrived, but now there's so little worth watching in HD (hey, I can see the pancake makeup on the host's face, yuck!) Writing seems to be at an all-time low in quality, same for acting (good looking or former comedian seems to be the main qualifier)

    Can't seem to get that A La Carte bill passed, either. Geez. What's it going to take? Oh, perhaps when the broadcasters and cable/satellite companies aren't twisting arms in capitols... Nice to see the people of the UK have finally won a big one in court, you can watch the continental broadcasts for less than the UK providers for football. That's sweet. Too bad America keeps protecting markets, rather than allowing someone on the West Coast to rather watch a NYC station, because they prefer it over the delivery of the local station.

    Yeah, lots wrong with TV. Not likely to get better, either.

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    1. Re:TV offerings == Garbage by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

      HD TV's calling is watching movies. Without commercials. A good setup is a huge upgrade over the disgusting experience of going to a theater.

      Then you realize that you can also show the few made for TV shows worth watching (mostly done by the BBC) also without commercials you start to appreciate what that medium can achieve, and realize how broken the normal delivery is.

      The problem is not so much that TV offerings are garbage, because that is not universal. The problem is that when the non-garbage is shown it is chopped to bits by commercials.

  84. broken? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    > So, what do you think is broken about TV right now?

    Um, most of the content?

    But never mind that for now.

    The text of the summary sounds like it was written by someone from my generation -- the wireless remote control (Flashmatic) was invented in our lifetimes, and the TV tray was a must-have. We generally turned on the TV and flipped through the 3 or 4 channels looking for something good to watch, and we generally left it on until it was time to go to bed, just watching whatever came up. If it was a show we had to watch, we were absolutely stuck with the network's schedule, and had to sit down at precisely the right time so we wouldn't miss it.

    Does anyone seriously believe that this behavior will continue? That mode of viewing started to become redundant when VCRs started to become equipped with timers, and now more than any time in history people have the ability to watch what they want to watch, when they want it, from whatever content source they want to watch it, and network programming be damned.

    What's missing now is a high degree of integration between the content providers and the content viewers. Oh, there's hulu and netflix instant viewing and other things, but they're just now starting to get integrated in with the TV in a way that geeks can access. It's not even close yet to something Fred and Ethyl Mertz would feel comfortable using.

    So what's needed is a higher degree of integration between on-demand content (from whatever source) and the eyes and fingers of regular non-geek people.

    What is *not* needed is (a) higher resolution -- 1080P non-interlaced is enough for any normal sized room for normal people -- or (b) gimmicks like 3D (although that system that uses circular polarized glasses instead of electronic shutter glasses looks really interesting if they could make it cheap enough).

    The technologies are there to carry TV far into the future. At least until true no-glasses 3D projection becomes reality, if the audience ever decides we really need that. What is desperately needed now is a degree of integration necessary for my vehemently non-geek wife to pick up a remote, find and play the next episode in season 3 of Mayberry RFD without having to ask her geek daughter for help.

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  85. and use ancient memes by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    In Korea, only old people still watch television.

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  86. TV WAS Murdered by glorybe · · Score: 0

    Jolly old Ronald Reagen unleashed advertising on TV to a point where TV became too stupid to tolerate. Ad after ad after ad with shards of bad programs stuffed between the endless ads was the final blow. As usual the bean counters started off the decline. Going back to the bad old days we watched the number of new episodes "per season" lessen and lessen. People no longer followed a series as the new shows became too rare. Concepts such as mini series with only a handful of shows each year, followed ad nauseum by re-runs simply turned audiences away. With smaller and smaller audiences advertisers sought to pay less and less. They wanted tens or hundreds of millions of eyeballs seeing that ad. So cutting to less new shows per year, producing lower quality shows and then the final insult of wanting viewers stupid enough to buy lousy products were forces against better programs. After all, people able to distinguish art from trash just might nor spend big money on the new Bass Blender or newest weight loss rip off. A stupid president followed by bean counters who were brainless controlling content and seeking free spending yokels without a brain in their heads pretty much describes why no one wants to view network TV these days.

  87. Program Discovery is a problem... by jtara · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just discovering what programs are available is a huge problem outside of the conventional broadcast TV paradigm.

    Set-top box program schedules stink. Nobody buys the TV Guide any more. Yea, there are third-party (and cable-company supplied) program schedule apps, but most of them stink too. (Anybody else try the useless Cox schedule guide on iPad?) If you're really into it, there are web sites that discuss shows ad-infinitum I'd imagine, but most people won't bother, and don't want to sift through the crap.

    Finding on-demand programming is a hassle. You have to navigate with a horrible on-screen interface, and most people don't know what network a show they've heard about is on. So, they have to do a search, which is horribly painful. Click, click, click, click, there's ONE LETTER.

    Program discovery is so bad that most people revert to "what's on?" and flip through the channels. Even if a show is marketed heavily, and you see a banner drug by an airplane and wonder what's up with the guy that thinks he sees a dog, how many people are going to bother to painfully type-in "W _ I _ L _ F _ R _ E _ D when they get home, and then go through the rigmarole to set the VCR?

    The big problem is, there are so many choices that it takes major time to sift through them. You have to know what you are looking for, but how do you know what you are looking for in the first place? Sure, I can go to NetFlix and decide I want to see a Fellini film easily enough. (Though I'd be best served by going to the website and putting it in my Instant Queue than by navigating the horrible on-screen interface.) And, oh, BTW, they're going to have to mail me that Fellini film 90% of the time, so we're Not There Yet.

    Now, if the marketing says or even implies it's a prime-time show on a major network - you might remember the time-slot and go surfing for it if it's around that time. Otherwise, it's pretty hit-and-miss.

    Clearly, though, ultimately, scheduled programming (other than live events and breaking news) are inevitably going to go away. I think I think that's necessary to prepare the public is to change terminology. No more show times. They're release times.

    Every show should be available on-demand in some form. Some people will still eagerly anticipate "release times", and gather in front of the set to be the first to watch a show, just as some go out to a theater to see a movie when it's first released.

  88. Glass Teat by hirundo · · Score: 1

    The problem is that 'glass teat' is too metaphorical. It needs to become an actual teat.

  89. TV isn't on-demand. by SocialEngineer · · Score: 1

    Sure, I can turn on a TV and find something reasonably entertaining (or functional as background noise) if I'm just bored, but that doesn't solve the problems surrounding the fact that I want to watch certain shows, at certain times. I'm not paying another monthly bill PLUS buying a piece of hardware just to do that when I can get a good selection of TV shows and movies streamed to any one of my computers or my Kindle Fire for a significantly cheaper price.

    The industry evolution needs to stop trying to trap people into one delivery system and accept that internet delivery is becoming increasingly popular.

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  90. Image quality is an issue by TooTechy · · Score: 1

    Digital TV in the US is of such low broadcast quality that we were almost better off with analog.
    Why (rhetorical) is the image quality in Europe so superior to ours in the US.

  91. What's wrong with TV by Lofted · · Score: 1

    Here's what's wrong with TV.

    1. You have to buy specialized hardware and cannot watch on other devices (phone, netbook/tablet/portable gaming device, normal laptop or PC)

    2. The programming is virtually all terrible, boring lacking in artistic or educational merit, etc. The "news" is fluff and propaganda which may actually leave you less informed for watching. Your only recourse is to change to another channel with the same kinds of dreck.

    3. TV ads are constant, annoying, obnoxious, and loud. But Google makes piles of cash, so this is obviously not the only model available

    And these things are still true if you pay $80/mo for cable.

  92. sighhhhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for me what's broken is :

    1) i'm sick and tired of publicity spots , a) i dont want to listen to whatever crap they want to sell and i dont want to buy and b) it cuts the action, intrigue of whatever i was watching (yes i was a teflon kid with an attention span of 30nS , this is why i'm in IT)

    2) seriously anything good on in the evening ? someone ? anyone ?

    3) the only way to pause etc is to pay an indecent premium to telco's that i already HATE because of their poor internet and cell service so no i'm not getting sod*m*sed yet some more by those a****les

    4) with a smarter utilisation of the spectrum they use to sell us their bs , we could have a nation wide public internet cutting telcos out , now that's a caviar coated gold cherry on my lobster sunday ,

  93. News can be easily improved by allwheat · · Score: 1

    I'd like to be able to select only the newscast segments I'm interested in, queue them up, and watch them all at once. In addition to removing bloat and irrelevant segments, it also would cut out those annoying teasers.

    Added bonus (next gen): selecting to hear either the long or the short story for each bit.

  94. Re:TV Isn't Broken, So Why Fix It? by hutchy · · Score: 1

    Here is what I think. Commercials are ruining TV. It seems as though there is a LOT more commercials than TV. So much so that when a commercial pops up I immediately channel surf to fill in the commercial. I pretty much refuse to watch the crap that comes cascading through the screen. If only they made toilet paper for my TV screen. Not to mention abysmal selection of reruns that seem to rerun every 2 weeks or so. No wonder people are disgusted with "TV". Regards, Stewart B Lone

  95. So what was wrong with the radio anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what this article reminds me of.

    Who needs those new fangled Televisions... I have a radio, and our family loves it. Why would we ever need to see something. That's what our imagination is for...

  96. The horse and buggy wasn't broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are asking the wrong question. The horse and buggy wasn't broken. Horse breeding was a highly developed science. There was a mature infrastructure for delivering feed to horses, and poop away from horses. Buggies were light, strong, and reliable. Why fix the horse and buggy when they aren't broken?

  97. TV is indeed broken by naasking · · Score: 1

    Apple and Boxee are on the right path to convergence. You should be able to view videos and pictures from your phone or cameras on your TV, you should be able to watch your online/offline content whenever you like, you should be able to share content you like with friends and family, and this should all be relatively painless. There's still a lot of room for improvement.

    Asking if TV really requires improvement is like asking whether computers really need improvement. After all, computers already compute right? What more could we possibly need them to do?

  98. Multiple boxes and massive amount of cables by GauteL · · Score: 1

    Blu-ray player, TV, set top box, games console and surround sound box.

    A whole mess of cables and remotes and my Logitech harmony remote is doing a poor job of managing it all, but otherwise I'd have 5 remotes.

    I'd welcome a TV that made all the other boxes obsolete.

  99. Neilsons are broken for starters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's take a great example of a show killed in it's infancy - "Firefly".

    Suits killed it by showing episodes out of order and changing the air time from week to week. Nielson scores artificially were low on a show that never had a chance to find it's audience. In the 10 years since the show has not only found it's fanbase, but it is understood by all just how FOX engineered it's death. In a streaming TV world fans would not have been at the mercy of a boardroom full of pinheads making dumb scheduling choices.

    If Network TV worked more like their streaming counterparts audiences could have watched the episodes in order at their convenience. Advertising could still be embedded (ala Hulu). Views of an episode would be more accurate and real time. No more need for the Neilson ratings.

    There would simply be the new challenge of how to market a show that people are not going to bump into while channel surfing. No more bracketing a show on a certain weeknight with two other high rated shows.

    The current Network TV model is outdated. The future of TV is streaming, and once everyone is pulling content from a computer server there's no reason to exclude interactivity. Perhaps not withing the program itself (I just want to watch a show - not take a survey!) but like Netflix build a list of stuff I might like based on habits.

  100. Bought a new TV and... by CheshireDragon · · Score: 1

    ...never ended up watching more TV.
    I had a 27in CRT that I bought Nov. 1998 and I rarely ever watched TV even though I get around 1000+channels and the ones that are, in HD. I mainly played games on it.(Wii, PS2, etc)
    I went and bought a new 50" 3D HD in Sept. and I am not watching more TV than I used to, but I am hooking up my computer to it when I play PC games.

    Overall, TVs do have potential, but not with what is currently being aired. Change the programming to some quality stuff rather than unoriginal 'hey this is my job' reality crap and it might go somewhere.

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  101. Digital TV is what's broken by ElmoGonzo · · Score: 1

    Analog signals got fuzzy, snowy, but rarely displayed the pixelation and halting found in digital signals. If this is how they want to fix it, I say they need to be committed.

  102. Two Words by PlasmaEye · · Score: 1

    So, what do you think is broken about TV right now?

    Jersey Shore

    1. Re:Two Words by CheshireDragon · · Score: 1

      Beavis and Butt-head are the cure. They totally trash this show and others like it "Teen Mom" is one that has endless laughs from them trashing it.

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  103. Engagement by crawdaddy · · Score: 1

    TV audience engagement currently requires (positively or negatively) engaging content. That's why you see people using sites & social media to engage around television shows.

    Manufacturers & broadcast companies don't HAVE to cater to their users' engagement desires, but I don't think there's much to debate on the value of doing so. Interacting well with your customers and building a strong community around your brand are known ways to develop profit centers.

    If TV isn't broke, why fix it? Because the status quo is ok as your business's starting point, but shouldn't be the end goal.

  104. Yes, and by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Do you want a demographic that delights in pointing they don't watch TV (bonus hipster points: don't even have a TV) to 'fix' it?

  105. 4 over-the-air channels around here by Chirs · · Score: 1

    And soon it will be down to two.

  106. Content Content Content by raydias · · Score: 1

    Like the old real estate adage location location location In this case it's content content content. Too often the adds are eating up more of show time and the shows they are putting on are crap reality shows. I for one have never had cable or satellite TV. I saw the crappy selections and the game they play in breaking up channels into various packages in order for you to get the 1 you wanted. The whole idea for cable I thought was no commercials at least that;s what I remember from way back when the cable companies started. Now it seems they are just as bad as broadcast TV. And how many reality crap shows and home shopping shows do we really need while great shows like Firefly are not given the chance to succeed. I did go with Netflix last year and haven't looked back. At least there are no commercials and I can watch the shows/movies on my schedule. Nothing like having your wife site through every episode for Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlantis and Stargate Universe back to back over a few months. Next stop the Star Trek marathon. I would have signed up for hulu to get some of the shows they haven't released for Netflix but they still have commercials and i am not paying for commercials, i can get that for free on the broadcast channel

  107. What is TV? by EmotionToilet · · Score: 1

    It's sooo broke I don't even care to spend the money to buy one, or pay for the content that's on it. It's junk and wastes my time. If I want to watch the Colbert Report or Breaking Bad I just get them from online somewhere, probably for free and without ads. I don't ever care to waste my hard earned money on something that makes me watch ads. That's like buying a car that you only get to drive half the time. It's a complete waste. I'd rather buy the content online, without ads, and watch it when I want, and where I want. It's just easier that way and actually worth my time and money. TV is dead, most of the content on it is junk, and the content that is worth watching will sell well online through channels like iTunes and can exist independently of TV.

  108. Lets make fun of the nerds BS by vlm · · Score: 1

    What a load of "lets make fun of the nerds" BS

    But nobody seems to be able to answer the big question: what exactly is so broken about TV anyway? The tech industry is filled with engineers and geeks. They naturally want to optimize the TV experience

    If it was "our" fault, we would have HDTV back in the 80s. The reason for innovation is the housing bubble drove giant mcmansions which require giant TVs to be in proportion, so sales were great until 2007 or so. Since then... Well boss asks "what can we do to sell more crap, like the good ole days of the global credit bubble?" No one has any idea but the engineer, who suggests that its finally time to try all that 80s stuff, like faster refresh, prog scan, higher res, 3d, 5.1 sound, blah blah. Its not much, but its better than the marketing guy who said "uh, lets make more commercials with cheerleaders and football players har har har".

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  109. No medical warning. by forkfail · · Score: 1

    I can feel brain cells dying pretty much instantly whenever faux news, Jersey Shore, etc are on in the same room. Should be a warning, "Watching this program causes stupidity and ignorance".

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  110. out-of-sync sound by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    OK, I'll bite and mention one specific thing that's been horribly broken ever since the transition to digital TV -- it's fscking impossible to have multiple TVs tuned to the same channel in adjacent rooms and have them all be in sync, because each one decodes the MPEG-2/MPEG-4 bitstream at a slightly different speed, with different amounts of buffering and processing.

    What? Distribute the same source to all the TVs? If you use component video and analog audio, it might... MIGHT... work. But the moment you go digital, it all goes straight to hell, because every component along the digital chain adds its own latency, and even uncompressed video still gets subjected to different amounts of buffering and scaling delays by each TV (in theory, component video can have scaling delays too, but 100% digital seems to be the absolute worst of all when it comes to getting 3 different TVs being fed the same input signal to display the same output in realtime).

    What's really needed is some way to broadcast a heartbeat signal through the entire house (probably via power line) every 100ms (5 or 6 50/60hz fields), add a flag into MPEG-2/4 video and raw HDMI that arbitrary tags the first out of every 5/6 fields/frames as "field/frame zero" (the next 5 or 6 are untagged), then have the output devices ("TVs") buffer output fields/frames (and their synchronized audio) in a ring buffer until they see the pulse. In other words, the TV might buffer frame 0, buffer frame 1, buffer frame 2, then see the pulse and output frame 0. From that point, it would continue buffering new frames/fields, and showing the next buffered field/frame with its own timing. It still might not quite be 100%, but at least it would be an improvement over what we have now, where 3 different TVs in adjacent rooms with their own cable or DirecTV boxes can actually be SECONDS apart (especially when a DVR is involved).

  111. Logitech Harmony One by Chirs · · Score: 2

    Someone with tech ability programs it with things like "watch tv", "watch bluray", "listen to radio", "watch laptop". The person using it just hits the appropriate activity on the touchscreen and it starts up the right pieces of gear and configures all the physical buttons on the remote appropriately. As long as you use that remote for everything then you're good.

    I got a refurb for half price, works really well. We no longer need to deal with six separate remotes.

    1. Re:Logitech Harmony One by blair1q · · Score: 1

      It works for you because you happen to have a particular set of equipment that doesn't have bugs in their remote database.

      I have two units that don't work unless I use variant names for them.

      And (unless they've fixed this, which they didn't for the 3 years I was bitching about it) heaven help you if you replace one of your pieces of AV equipment with something else. You might as well dissolve your remote in acid and start with a fresh one.

  112. Make the mechanics FASTER by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speed:
                Channel switching speed: It keeps getting worse. Analog TV's were instant channel switchers. Even analog TV's with digital readouts were instant switchers. "Digital" TV can't do that. Cable boxes and their insane 'menuing' system. It's supposed to help you see what's on, but it makes 'flipping through the channels' more like 'trudging' through the channels. Even with OTA HDTV, there's a pause while it gets enough signal to show you a picture. They need to be working on eliminating that pause.
                BOOT up speed: I'm lucky. I have an HD CRT. There aren't many of those. You push power, the screen makes a funny noise. The CRT warms up in a second or two. You're in business. The experiences I've had with LCD screens aren't good. When you turn it on, you get a POST screen, a manufacturer logo, some other 'boot-up' processes. It takes a LONG TIME. If I had one of those I'd be tempted to never turn it off because I wouldn't want to wait through the boot-up. That definitely needs to be fixed. If there was ever a place for 'instant on' technology, it's in the TV.

    Cost:
                    It's hard for me to complain here because I don't pay for it, but I think the fact that I refuse to pay for it should say something. I've never caved to the 'Pay TV' bandwagon. No cable, no satellite. Over the Air all the way. I actually do pay for TV now. It's called Netflix. It's $8 instead of $50, and I get to pick what's on. (And no commercials.) Pay TV is way too expensive and doesn't make any sense. That needs to be fixed.
                    Now to be hypocritical. My wife won't watch commercials. She rather skip the program than watch a commercial. Not only is she always annoyed by them, she's often offended by them. I'm pretty sure commercials are the most heavily studied aspect of Television, so I don't really have any suggestions that the 'experts' haven't already beaten to death.

    As for Content. I don't think that's part of the discussion. (We'll at least the FA. which I didn't read.) The shows are not the technology. I don't think you can 'fix' the shows. That's like dictating what music will be popular with teenagers. Good luck with that.

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    1. Re:Make the mechanics FASTER by TheSync · · Score: 1

      "Channel switching speed: It keeps getting worse. "

      That's because the GOP size keeps rising. With MPEG-2 coding, because the forward and inverse transforms were slightly non-inverses of each other, you could only have an intraframe every 15 pictures or so. Any longer and errors would accumulate.

      With H.264, we now can have GOPs of size 128 pictures or more, because the forward and inverse transforms are integer valued math and precise inverses.

      So now when you tune to a new channel, you may have to wait for 128 pictures to grab an intraframe to start viewing the video.

    2. Re:Make the mechanics FASTER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony start up speed is pretty good on the 2011 models. I get pictures and sound within a couple of seconds (even HD broadcast). Channel change comes pretty quickly after that but menu access isn't available until after about 10-15s (I haven't timed it).

      And if you want to use an external input device that supports HDMI CEC you can just press play on the device and it brings the TV up on the right input.

      Channel change switching is something that is heavily optimised but in the general case it really isn't an instant process. Tuning itself is pretty quick but it needs to lock on and start demodulating the signal. Then make a table lookup or two from the stream (these tables are rapidly repeating). Then start capturing the video and audio streams into buffers until two I-frames have been received (maybe only once every 2s) because the frames between them can depend on both the before and after I-frames. It is a broadcaster (or cable company if they are re-encoding) optimisation to decide the GOP length, longer is higher quality or lower bitrate and shorter means quicker channel change.

      Channel changes within a multiplex will be quicker as the tuning, demodulation are already done and the tables cached but it still has to pick up two I-Frames before video can start decoding.

  113. Cable & Broadcast is dying, not TV by Magorak · · Score: 1

    I have had television my whole life. On top of that, I can't ever remember not having cable TV in my home (live in Canada, cable gives us the major US networks). As of today, I pay $75/mo for cable in two rooms in my house with two PVR's, time shifting, some HD channels, and a good chunk of regular programming.

    I've found myself for the first time in my life thinking about cancelling cable and going straight with Netflix and torrent downloads for my TV shows. All for one simple reason. Money. The fact is, if I can download all of these shows at no cost, or pay a small premium fee (such as Netflix) to watch them when I want to watch them, why would I fork out $75/mo to watch the news, sports, and channel surf. I don't watch sports on TV and I read all the news online.

    I realize that torrent downloads don't help to pay for the shows I watch, or prevent them from being cancelled, but I'm in Canada and our viewing habits do not influence US shows from cancellation. On top of that, there's no good television "service" that allows me to watch the programs I want without commercials. I would gladly pay the $75/mo for my television service if it meant I could watch anything I want, anytime I want, but without commercials.

    It feels like people's viewing habits are changing now that television programs are available on demand and that as the demand for on demand (as lame as that sounds) continues, I don't think it's the death of TV, but the death of broadcast/cable television.

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  114. Go away, you're not 21 by tepples · · Score: 1

    If I want to watch a live event, such as a sports game, I can always head to the local pub and watch it there.

    But for parents who want to watch a live event with their under-21 kids, I've found it harder to find a sports all ages restaurant than a sports bar.

    1. Re:Go away, you're not 21 by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Why is it always sports fans that get special attention? What if I want to watch a live concert, lecture, or other non-sporting event?

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    2. Re:Go away, you're not 21 by surgen · · Score: 1

      Why is it always sports fans that get special attention? What if I want to watch a live concert, lecture, or other non-sporting event?

      You're not as reliable of a repeat customer, and you probably aren't willing to pay out the nose for content like sports fans are.

    3. Re:Go away, you're not 21 by apdyck · · Score: 1

      Most pubs in my neck of the woods will allow minors to come in with their parents (or legal guardians or whatever) and not purchase alcoholic beverages. That means kids can come, should they choose. They just can't drink all the booze.

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    4. Re:Go away, you're not 21 by tepples · · Score: 1

      My neck of the woods differs, unfortunately. How would one go about getting the law in a 21-to-enter state changed to 21-to-buy?

    5. Re:Go away, you're not 21 by apdyck · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately this is usually handled by the State Government (assuming you're in the US - I'm in Canada). It can be done through petitions and lobbying. The trick to get around the 19-to-enter laws here is to serve food. As long as you are serving food (even something as easy as french fries - anyone can operate a fryer!) you can allow anyone in. They just can't buy alcohol.

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  115. content/comercials/cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone here keeps talking about content, but if people didn't watch the stupid stuff, it wouldn't be on the air. The problem is people will watch garbage on tv just because they want to sit in front of the tv and turn their minds off. If you don't like it, or it doesn't meet what you expect, turn off the tv, read a book, play a game, go for a walk, do something other than just sit and watch junk because it is all that is on.

    Cost, same thing. If people decided it wasn't worth it to keep those 300 channels of nothing and stopped their cable/satellite services and gave the providers notices in general that we aren't going to keep paying that much, prices would go down. But since people these days are just sheep, that bleat and don't actually make any changes in their lives they will keep getting shafted.

    If your tired of commercials buy the series and stop watching it on TV. If you PVR it, your not really making a change because the cable companies are doing sneaky underhanded things to make sure you watch their garbage. making shows and commercials spots start/end at odd times, or times that don't quite meet up with their guides.

    The consumers have the power to make changes happen. You cause change with your wallets. It is the best way to get companies to listen, but no one really cares enough to actually do more than complain.

  116. The pop ups! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can block the extra crap from a webpage. You are stuck with TV popups. And every day, there are more. Advertisements? OK. On top of the content, blocking up to 1/4 of the screen? Turn it off. If the show is any good, I'll stream it or Netflix. Keep your pop ups, product placement and 90% infomercials after the late news and weekends. I don't need your new mouse trap, with one free for the shipping (1/2 the price of the mouse trap!). You are not a bargain.

  117. What ISN'T wrong with TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -Cables. The multitude of cables required to attach basic devices, and what order to attach those cables, is still a nightmare. Devices should be on a bus, so new devices just get plugged into the bus and they figure out how to talk to each other. Of course this presupposes new communications protocols, and support for existing cables...

    -Remotes. All remotes suck, physically, ergonomically, operationally. I don't think Siri-TV will be the answer, but I still have a pile of remotes on the TV table that I have to juggle to get things to play properly.

    -Screen resolution. I don't want to have to change the resolution manually every time I change channels. I also don't want to pay extra to my cable company for "premium" HD content, which is the same as regular content but available at the proper resolution.

    -Content by provider. What if...I could subscribe to a SINGLE provider and get all the shows I want to watch, when I want to watch them. I currently have Uverse for live/DVR, Netflix, Apple, Hulu, Youtube - too many providers when I don't care to choose by provider, I want to chose by show. If I want to watch Grogan's Heros, I don't want to have to remember that I have to navigate Apple's menus or my cable company's - I just want to turn on the tube and watch it. For this priviledge, I'd be willing to pay a reasonable price per view, if it meant I could cancel most of the other services I subscribe to.

  118. it's FAR from perfect by bedwards · · Score: 1

    The Television should be a single unit complete with the pause/record/reqind of live TV, integration with home media servers, streaming from content providers such as BBC iPlayer, and it should do it all with nothing more than a power chord and arial cable (optional Arial cable - better to have a wireless Arial) coming off it and no requirement for any set top boxes. (games consoles deliver output by wireless)

    All this should be as seamless to use as the original TVs from the 1950s.

    In other words, you should get everything right from getting the TV out the box - and to non techs it should be considered magic.

    When we can do that lets look at this question again.

    In the meantime, look at your nice sharp big screen and how it is freamed with a birds-nest of cables behind it, and arrays of ugly grey boxes. Tell me that cant be improved.

  119. The fact that it exists... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    I think the most "broken" thing about televisions is that they exist at all anymore.

    I have better than 1080p on my "spare" 24" monitor. What do I need a 46" TV for, especially at 10 x the price? I can watch TV at full resolution (or lower, which is what I usually really want) in a window as I work on my computer. I have a slingbox, so I haven't actually been using a TV to watch TV for years now.

  120. Easy. It's obsolete... by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1
    • It's a passive experience. Why should I simply watch a bunch of morons parade around on a reality show set. Let me be the "moron..."
    • Scheduling is fixed. Who says I am available or interested in watching the content I want to watch at the time dictated by the broadcaster? Sure if I want to jump through a variety of hoops I can "time-shift" but that's a pain and doesn't take care of the "Oops I didn't realize that was on...", or the "I forgot to record it..."
    • You're forced into taking omnibus and outrageously expensive "packages" of content rather than a-la-carte "channels" or better still pay-per-view VOD of any program desired. I don't want to pay for 300+ channels of crap I never watch. For that matter I don't really want to pay for the 20+ out of 24 hours of crap I don't watch for those channels I do.
    • You're limited to only the crap that everyone else in my subscriber base wants to watch (or at least stomachs). Maybe I'd like to watch something out of Japan, U.A.E., UK, etc.
    • Did I mention it's expensive beyond all reason? I don't care if you can throw a 3D pie at me or fill my living room with the smell of Snookie's flatulent. It's too expensive. Some 33% of my time is wasted on commercials and on top of that I have to shell out $100+/month for BASIC cable? Are you people out of your fracking mind?
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  121. TV? Broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (sarcasm)
    (I actually do not condone this)
    TV? Broken? TV is better than ever. I bit torrent what I want, and get to watch anything I can imagine commercial free anytime I want!
    (/sarcasm)

  122. Don't complicate it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TV is broken simply because bandwidth is reserved for specific channels. This used to be because channels were literally swaths of frequencies (as I'm sure you all know). Now they merely exist as relics to limit what can be viewed on television.

    Get rid of channels, then we'll talk.

  123. In Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it's not you watching television, but television is watching you...

  124. If we knew, we'd be rich. by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    What was wrong with horses? Well, they did not go as fast as cars and ate stuff even when they were not moving. But no one knew that until they invented cars.

    Do I have to mention newspapers?

    Engineers don't know what is wrong with TV. And we won't know until after TV goes the way of the horse and buggy.

    The people who work for TV don't want to wait. They want to create TV's replacement before it gets killed by whatever's new.

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    excitingthingstodo.blogspot.com
  125. "widescreen" letterboxing/stretching by fishnuts · · Score: 1

    I think that until _all_ TVs have 16:9 screens and _all_ studios broadcast unmodified/uncropped/un-letterboxed content, we'll have the following two problems:

    The disparity in video formats and whether they "letterbox" a high-def program for standard-definition channels is frustrating. Most modern studios and news stations in the US are recording in HD, then either letterboxing it for SD broadcast (adding black bars on top and bottom to make it 4:3 aspect ratio), or cropping the left and right side of the image to get the 4:3 image. The former is horrible for people with HD sets that can't overscan (scale up the side of the image so it fills the screen, eliminating the black bars) and you lose effective image resolution... I wish someone would drill it into their heads that letterboxing HD content is BAD for SD broadcasts. Your camera crew should try to capture actors and action within the central 4:3 area of the image so you can crop and scale your HD content for people with SD TVs or receiving SD channels.

    Even more frustrating is when I go to a public place with widescreen TVs showing standard-def channels (in 4:3 format), S-T-R-E-T-C-H-E-D to 16:9, so everyone looks fat and square-shaped graphics become rectangles. Half the widescreen "HD" TVs sold now are able to overscan properly, and the other half can't at all (they just stretch the image). A few good brands can do a "panorama" transform, which is a compromise, but makes diagonal lines look curved. There really is no legitimate reason for a TV to stretch a broadcast image horizontally, yet everyone thinks they NEED to do it to "fill" their wide screens with a 4:3 SD image. It boggles me that so many people purposely distort the image just so it can appear "widescreen".

  126. Cable Packages. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Bulk packages of crap I don't care about to get one channel.

    Can we get inexpensive a la cart channel selection already!

    Because if you don't/can't be prepared to be eaten alive by Netflix.

  127. I saw this article when it was posted and ignored by ashpool7 · · Score: 1

    The tech industry is filled with engineers and geeks. They naturally want to optimize the TV experience, to make it as efficient and elegant as possible, requiring the fewest number of steps to complete a particular task while offering the greatest number of amazing new features.

    But normal people don't think about TV that way. TV is passive. The last thing we want to do is work at it.

    First, he describes geeks as wanting to make TV efficient (and easy?), and then says normal people don't want that, because they want TV to be easy.

    WTF does that even mean. I don't want easy, I want easy?

    Ok, he said "passive", but "not wanting to work at it"... that's what smart people are working on, making it easy!

  128. Commercial breaks and laugh tracks. by Daniel+Phillips · · Score: 1

    As if commercial breaks and laugh tracks were not enough, we have old news, puerile humor, fixed scheduling, oppressive DRM, bias, censorship, prudishness and no interaction. In two words: old media.

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  129. TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is for people that have too much time on their hands. I only watch tv for an hour or so before I go to sleep and most of the time I watch some science fiction movie or the occasional "Big Bang Theory".

  130. What Do You Mean It's Not Broken?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Analog TV was not broken. When the signal degraded, the picture and sound degraded proportionally. There'd be a little snow, a little static, but it was no big deal. Digital TV doesn't work worth a crap. When the signal degrades even a tiny bit, the sound shuts off completely and the screen freezes in little blocks all over the place. The recent changes to TV were a huge step backwards.

  131. I dont know where to start! by Halster · · Score: 1

    Firstly, if TV isnt broken, Why have so many of my non-tech friends started downloading instead of watching live?

    What's broken? How about the fact that I have to work my life in around their schedules. TV companies are selling me a service (paid for by ads or a subscription), but they dont think it fair for the service to be convenient for the customer?

    How about TV shows outside their country of origin? Is it fair for your customer to watch shows years after their release (assuming they air the whole season, in order, and dont change their minds and pull it).

    How about, assuming you can organise your life around their schedule, how you have to browse listings or flip channels to find what youre looking for. Give me a search dialog!

    How about ads? Advertisement after advertisement for things I could hardly care about. Get rid of ads. If you cant, at least make them relevant to me!

    Theres a few, and thats wihout even getting into the quality issues!

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    "How much truth can advertising buy?" - iNsuRge - AK47
  132. So Much To Do by shambalagoon · · Score: 1

    I won't be happy until TVs look as awesomely designed as tennis shoes and toothbrushes.

  133. A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by Arrogant-Bastard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. Dump all "reality" shows.
    2. Get rid of the incredibly annoying pop-ups during programs. Seriously, I stopped watching "Rubicon", which had at least some promise, because these are horribly disruptive and offensive.
    3. Convince the History Channel, the Learning Channel, the Discovery Channel, to focus on actual history and actual science...and not myth, superstition, and nonsense.
    4. Please note that #3 does not cover Mythbusters, which, while occasionally a bit self-indulgent, at least features actual experiments.
    5. Try showing movies without censoring, interrupting or editing them.
    6. Stop remaking things. Hawaii 5-0 (among many, MANY others) did not need to be remade, and you're embarrassing yourselves, as well as putting crap on the air.
    7. Lose the talking heads on news. Lose the theme music, lose the captions, lose the scroll, lose the catchy titles for every major news event. Try something different: sober, reasoned, analysis. Don't tell me that "you only 20 seconds left to discuss this"; you're a fricking network, all you HAVE is time. And stop pretending that there are two sides to every story: when one side is obviously insane, lying, or stupid, there aren't. Instead: call them on it.
    8. There are occasional treasures in the archives. Not only should you air them, you should back them up to the world by posting them for free, unlimited download.
    9. Run all commercials by a panel of 15-year-olds. If even they mock it, then what reaction do you think intelligent adults will have?
    10. Teach everyone on your staff that "/" is a slash, not a backslash. Make it a policy that you will instantly fire anyone who calls it a backslash. If they do so on-air, then armed security should tackle them, handcuff them, and drag them off the set while the cameras are running. (Okay, so this one is selfish. But I would it find it immensely satisfying to watch.)

    1. Re:A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by residieu · · Score: 1

      But note that while Mythbusters is fun, we don't want MORE shows in that model.

    2. Re:A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6. Stop remaking things. Hawaii 5-0 (among many, MANY others) did not need to be remade, and you're embarrassing yourselves, as well as putting crap on the air.

      Disagree. It's worth sifting through a dozen Hawaii 5-0's to find one Battlestar Galactica.

      And stop pretending that there are two sides to every story: when one side is obviously insane, lying, or stupid, there aren't. Instead: call them on it.

      Just because one side is "obviously insane, lying, or stupid" doesn't magically cause there to be only one side to the story after all, nor does it imply that the other side isn't insane, lying, or stupid. Furthemore, "insane, lying or stupid" almost always means "disagrees with me" in practical usage.

      9. Run all commercials by a panel of 15-year-olds. If even they mock it, then what reaction do you think intelligent adults will have?

      Don't imagine that you know how to advertise better than advertisers do. Just because the 15-year-olds mock the commercial doesn't mean it isn't effective. Besides, 15-year-olds mock everything, whether they understand it or not and whether the mockery is warranted or not.

    3. Re:A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by forkfail · · Score: 1

      Actually, yes, when one side is obviously insane, lying or stupid, it does mean that there is one side to the story.

      See also, gravity, arguing with.

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    4. Re:A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it doesn't.

      If someone wants to argue with gravity, his viewpoint does in fact count as a "side".

      Furthermore, you fail to account for the possibility (or rather, likelihood) that there is a third side. Or a fourth, fifth, etc.

      If anything, networks should stop pretending that there are only two sides to every story.

    5. Re:A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      Excellent list, too bad TV execs will never see it as they are The High and Mighty in The Ivory Tower unlike ground-based smucks like you and me. Speaking of archives, I scored some DVDs of old shows (Skyking, few 50s Ed Sullivan shows, first episode of Groncho Marx "You Bet Your Life") I'm not sure if these are available anywhere else except from individuals that either taped during reruns of the 1980s or got a 16mm transfer. It is interesting to see some of this stuff as in 1950s they were on a learning curve. Ed Sullivan does a "dissertation" on the Mercury car (show's main advertiser), and various performers completely unknown nowadays (some of the female performers wore very beautiful dresses). While guest is answering question from Groncho, the soundman walks up and adjusts the mic, camera still rolling during commercial break of Groucho's show, he gets some notes from people, drinks some water. They have treasures in the archives but lots of luck getting them to release it. If you didn't make a copy for yourself in the 20th century, then no way to ever see it again (unless you find that person that just happens to have a copy and is willing to share "secrets" but fear of getting beatup by the goons from the "you know who."

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    6. Re:A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by Chowderbags · · Score: 1

      Lose the talking heads on news. Lose the theme music, lose the captions, lose the scroll, lose the catchy titles for every major news event. Try something different: sober, reasoned, analysis. Don't tell me that "you only 20 seconds left to discuss this"; you're a fricking network, all you HAVE is time. And stop pretending that there are two sides to every story: when one side is obviously insane, lying, or stupid, there aren't. Instead: call them on it.

      This is the one that always kills me with the 24 hour "news" networks. How can you have reruns of the same show multiple times in a day? How can you have random Youtube clips showing up as "news"? Hell, it's hard to take them seriously when they devote endless coverage to $Missing_White_Woman_Of_The_Year, yet never manage to be bothered to report about genocide in countries with brown people or the latest government scheme to peer into the average person's life.

    7. Re:A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^This. Jeez, man...this. Have I a doppleganger out there?

    8. Re:A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would add to this: axe any programme which summarises what happened before the break after the break.

    9. Re:A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      More to the point: Axe the 5-10 minute long commercial interruptions. Show commercials between shows, not in the goddamn middle of them.

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      Eat the rich.
    10. Re:A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Gotta agree with Discovery/History/etc.

      Does Discovery even show anything but video of cute animals these days? It might as well be Animal Planet.

      History is a lot better, but you are right that half of it is sensationalized.

      I don't mind actually learning something on TV. Maybe they could team up with the Teaching Company and bring some of their content to their network or something? I'm fine if they improve the visualization and make it less lecture-format, but if I can enjoy listening to just audio of a lecture I think I can handle something more cerebral than hunting for bigfoot or ghosts. Storm Chasers actually isn't half bad in concept, but maybe cut the length by 75% and get rid of all the hype. I can be impressed by a tornado without listening to Reed scream into the microphone.

    11. Re:A few suggestions--alright, let's make it 10 by andreyvul · · Score: 1

      3. Won't someone please think of the aliens?

      10. With a sniper rifle or a BFG 10000?

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  134. Lady Hoggers?! (was: Re:Simple...) by cblack · · Score: 1

    Wow, thanks so much for making me aware that there is a show called "Lady Hoggers." I have no opinion one way or the other, but the title alone made me smile when I searched and found out it was real.

    1. Re:Lady Hoggers?! (was: Re:Simple...) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was inevitable when the demand for hogging shows spiked (every network has one now). Expect the market to diversify into the full range of vermin and pests in 2012. Act now to be the first with guaranteed hits like "Little People Pest Control" and "Androgynous Alligator Wranglers." New trendsetters could include "American Jogger," "Extreme Quilting," "US Postal," "Dirtiest Clam Dig," "Drainpipe Jungle," or "Barefoot Gamer." (I'm not even going to check whether any of these are real, I don't think I could take another "Trading Spouses" - "That was a good Chappelle bit. What do you mean it's now a real show with several copycats???")

  135. rod serling said it best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper.

  136. Re:TV isn't relevant, so why care? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    People still say things like this makes to make themselves feel superior?

  137. Re:Telcos/Cable Companies Make TV Broken On Purpos by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

    There is a thing called too much TV. Some people may be shocked by this...

    As for your points:

    1) TV doesn't do its job anymore. News in particular. Entertain and inform were the tasks at hand. Instead I see middle American slobs neither entertaining nor informing me of anything useful. Reality shows and garbage slant news coverage is not something I will pay for.

    You need to find better channels, rent a dvd, or *ahem* read a book. There are plenty of interesting shows on broadcast television, not including PBS! Daytime television sucks but that's because they are saving their more expensive shows for times where people are normally home from work. Buy a DVR and let it record the shows while you do something else. Be sure to get a DVR with multiple tuners because all the really good shows come on at the same damn time.

    2) The TV that is good is covered up, hidden, made inaccessible, or mired in advertisements - if it survives some political TV executives wide-swung axe. (Examples: Eureka, Firefly, Community, and many others.)

    Don't paint all networks with the incompetency that is Fox. USA, CBS, NBC, AMC and ABC to name a few have several good shows and yes they do come on at their regular advertised time. Commercials aren't really that bad live (gives me a chance to get a drink and other stuff), and I fast forward while playing from the DVR. Your examples kinda suck. I was surprised when SyFy cancelled filming future episodes of Eureka but lets be honest the storyline is getting too repetitive. They have new series like Haven. BTW, Eureka, Warehouse 13, etc. always seem to come on during their regular time slot on Mondays. However I will say having the christmas episodes come on a tuesday is confusing.

    3) The price is exorbitant. When people say they are paying for 1,000-3,000 channels they are forgetting they DO NOT NEED 1,000-3,000 channels. Nor will they watch that much garbage content. They are forcing a justification to price gouge you.

    Exaggerate much? I doubt I have more than 50 unique channels non premium with my cable provider. Price? Broadcast television is free. RedBox is $1 a night. Netflix is $8 a month. You can get basic cable if you are desperate for more recent episodes. Even if ala carte pricing was feasible, the cable company would have to charge a minimum. I doubt the minimum would be less than limited basic cable. Television studios shoulder most of the blame since they insist on requiring the cable companies to carry all of their channels even if only one is popular.

    4) TV in its current iteration is a problem that telcos have forced us to have. Its complex, there are huge software issues, huge time slot issues, and even bigger hardware complexity issues that make it so unwieldy most leave the damn thing off. We're paying middle men of middle men for the right to look at content that is shit. I don't need more middle men.

    TV is a box with moving pictures. It has a power button, channel up, channel down, volume up, volume down and picture controls. What you are talking about is the cable provider. If you don't like your current cable provider then find another one. Grandmas have no problem using that cable box so I think you are making a tempest in a teacup here.

    5) It does not meet demand. It demands of you. 'YOU BE HERE AT THIS TIME AND THIS PLACE AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME MILDLY ENTERTAINING TRASH.' I don't think anyone should pay for that - not today not ever. I run my life, not some damn box. I don't care if its a sporting event, debate, or "hit show" b/c it will be forgotten inside of a year.

    Seriously... You need to buy a DVR.

    We need a simplistic a la carte system where we can pick what we want, when want, and how we want it, and how much we're willing to pay for it. Nothing more, nothing less. Because of monopolisti

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  138. Computer ain't broken either by Ossifer · · Score: 1

    My IBM 360 punch card computer isn't broken either, why fix it?

  139. They would never allow the TV I want by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    One that intelligently skips over commercials, likely showing me my second and third favorite shows or bounces to a favorite news channel.. even weather.

    One that record anything at anytime I want and even grab what I missed. Well they might give me that if I succumbed to the advertising.

    One that put up whatever scene I wanted when I wanted. One which would integrate with other units seamlessly to follow me through the house... eventually smart enough to support the time lapse lost out of view should I request - go back

    The TV I want cannot exist because the problem they seem to be trying to solve is how to prevent me from seeing any show I want when I want unless they can burden me with commercials.

    Your choice, if I have to pay to get in my home I want it commercial free and when I want it and what I want, if you PAY me to put here you can decide.

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    * Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
  140. Television is dying by toejam13 · · Score: 2

    This comic sums it up nicely.

    Regardless of the method of transmission, television is dying, and the culprit is dumb content. People have more entertainment choices than ever before and television just can't keep up.

    One major problem is that television content is dumbed down. Advertisers know that their commercials have less effect on intelligent people who are better at critical analysis, so they instead target kids, teens, seniors and the unwashed masses. Broadcast networks need content that will pull in those demographics. Make your content too complex and nuanced and you'll lose your targeted demographics. The result is a partnership between networks and advertisers that aim for the lowest common denominator sitting in front of the screen.

    For a few decades, we had niche programming channels that offered something that wasn't stupid, but those channels have mostly been bought out by networks that have discovered that the LCD model is more profitable. Now those stations are content deserts, filled with little else besides reality shows about midgets, vagina clown cars, crabs and motorcycles. PBS is still around, but their programming is a niche within a niche. So we get this downward spiral where smart people are turned off by television, content gets dumber, more mainstream people are turned off by television, content gets dumber, and the IQ bar keeps falling.

    The other major problem is that the way we receive content is dumb. Intelligent people have been buying gadgets for years that give us on-demand access to information. As the price has come down and those systems became more mainstream, everyday people got used to it as well. But television content mostly comes from unintelligent sources. On-demand IPTV might change that, but the content owners are fighting it. It is why streaming sites like Hulu and Netflix, as well as cable TV on-demand systems are hodge-podge patchworks of content.

    I can't count the number of times that I have been frustrated because of the distribution methods of media. Netflix will have a series available for streaming, but then you hit one episode that is available only via disc rental. Hello, Bittorrent. Hulu will have content for streaming, but then you missed the cutoff for how long a new episode remains up. Hello, Bittorrent. I'll want to record two shows to my DVR that play the same time/night, but I only have one tuner card in my PVR. Know where I'm going by now?

    The last problem is more of an issue limited to North America, but our OTA DTV system just doesn't play well with small, portable devices. We have too many channels that broadcast on VHF bands that require large antenna. The ATSC standard doesn't work well in areas bombarded with multipath interference or with moving devices (although it has gotten much better). Granted, the VSB standard was picked because it is more efficient over large areas, but it would be nice if any ATSC extensions would add OFDM as well. Large cities could have a low power UHF OFDM SFN (single frequency network) mesh for mobile handsets and apartment dwellers, while suburban and rural areas would still receive the main transmitter on the VHF-Hi VSB bands with their roof mounted aerials. Too bad that DTV for the VHF-Lo bands sucks and that the military occupies the area right above channel 13 on the VHF-Hi band.

  141. Too much in the way. by Anaerin · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Here's how it should work.

    I pay a content provider a subscription for a show. For instance, $0.75 for a season of House without ads, or $0.05 for a season of House with ads. $1.50 for a season of "The Daily Show" without ads. $10.00 for a restart of Firefly without ads (Yes, I went there), and so on. The greater the demand, the less the cost (and, obviously, the greater the show run, or the more cost to create, the higher the subscription cost). This will put much more money in the hands of the content providers directly, rather than having the cable middlemen taking a large chunk, and will still keep all but the most obsessive tv-watcher's cable bill at about the same price as it already is.

    Content providers can poll me on my interests for new shows. They can also use those interests to customize the ads I get, if I am agreeing to get ads.

    The content provider releases episodes on their regular schedule via a private BitTorrent tracker (or similar methods) in a DRM-unencumbered format, so I can watch it on any device I choose. This releasing is done using a customized-to-the-user RSS feed (only the shows I subscribe to from that provider appear in that feed), which is secured using HTTPS and a unique "user key". Trailers and pilot episodes for new shows can also be published on the RSS feed (especially if they may match my recorded interests). Keys cannot be shared, and abuse of such will result in the key being revoked (or at least, changed, so the user has to update his client with the new key if he wishes to continue, which will make it difficult enough to make sharing of feeds like this unfeasable).

    News channels and current events can be subscribed to for live streaming using Multicast (preferably) or Unicast systems, in much the same way.

    Cable companies can then become "content aggregators" or local CDNs, So rather than having to go to hundreds of different content providers, you can just subscribe through your cable company, and they aggregate all the available feeds for you and serve your content to you from local servers. Of course, going directly to the source is still an option, if you wish to track more directly, or if your particular cable company doesn't carry that provider's content. Cable companies can then either add a small surcharge to the price of each subscription, or charge a "content distribution" fee for running the local cache.

    Emergency broadcasts can be implemented with special RSS feed items, or signed and timestamped playlist files that point to a live stream, to be picked up and (dis)played immediately by boxes or computer systems. This is about the only part that isn't possible right now, and I shouldn't think it'd take that much work to implement.

    This way, when you go to the TV, there's always something you're interested in watching available. You never miss an episode of your favourite shows, and you directly support the people who make it.You don't have to get, and don't have to watch, anything you don't want to, and you can do whatever you like with what you've paid for. It also means that niche shows don't get canned, and providers have a completely accurate dollar-based view of just how popular shows really are (rather than having to rely on a very limited number of Nielsen households), and it also means that shows aren't competing for ratings by being forced into a timeslot, giving a false impression of popularity (or lack thereof). It would also make it easier for indie TV producers to get up and running. You'd probably also have a fast addition to Google in the form of "Which provider makes this TV show".

    Unfortunately, the way Hollywood, and the MPAA/RIAA/Media fatcats see the TV industry, and television consumers as a whole, this will never come to pass. They are so much more fond of their walled gardens and "Prime time slot"s that the idea of abandoning them and allowing people to live their lives not beholden to their scheduling whims is abhorrent. It would be so very nice, but I hold out little hope in it happening. And

  142. No TV in this household... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a good old small TV and it has been disconnected for over 10 years. I only connect it for olympics.

    What is broken with TV?
    - Corporate propaganda 20 minutes every hours
    - TV programs that sucks
    - Opinion programs disguised as news program
    - People watching it for 40 hours a week while "not having time" to fix healthy meals, exercise and spend time with their children

    My 2.

    1. Re:No TV in this household... by gagol · · Score: 1

      I agree, we decied some years ago to let go of our TV... coudn't be happier. Kudos to you to bad for everybody else.

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  143. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want a cheap flat-rate subscription to a service that gives me a complete selection of all shows/movies available, and lets me watch them at a time of my choosing. Sorta like what netflix streaming would be if it actually had any content. I want that on my TV, which itself is affordable, high-quality, lightweight, convenient to install, intuitive to search for stuff to watch.

    Should not be hard, apart from the legal nonsense.

    1. Re:Simple by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

      Should not be hard, apart from the legal nonsense.

      It just might be that it's the economics of your wish list that is nonsense. You want unlimited, high-quality, affordable content. You get what you are willing to pay for. It sounds like you are a bit reluctant to pay for unlimited, high-quality content.

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      the growth in cynicism and rebellion has not been without cause
    2. Re:Simple by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      How is it unlimited? He would only be able to watch exactly the same quantity of video as he can on a $29.99 basic cable subscription. You are pretty much restricted to the number of hours in a month multiplied by the number of TV's in the household.

    3. Re:Simple by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

      How is it unlimited? He would only be able to watch exactly the same quantity of video as he can on a $29.99 basic cable subscription. You are pretty much restricted to the number of hours in a month multiplied by the number of TV's in the household.

      Yes, and I want a Mazerati Granturismo but only pay the price of a Ford Focus.

      You are getting $30 worth of entertainment with basic cable. You want the "high quality" stuff? Well, just like with cars, that's going to cost a little more than the mass-produced pablum for the masses. That's why the "unlimited (24/7 * n), high-quality, affordable content" doesn't make economic sense.

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    4. Re:Simple by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      It's not just $30 but $30 stretched over his ENTIRE lifetime and that of all of his friends and family.

      That actually ads up to quite a bit.

      Fortunately for Corporate America, math education really sucks in this country and people are anti-intellectual above and beyond that.

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      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    5. Re:Simple by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 1

      "Quality" is a very subjective term, especially when applied to the television network. Some people only consider $billion/episode shows "high quality", others prefer the cheaper, yet WELL WRITTEN stuff like simpsons (the originals were cheap) redgreen, etc. There are only 2 channels outside the "basic" range that *I* find even worth looking into, everything else up there is sports and movies and I could get through other means (netflix or the network's website).

    6. Re:Simple by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

      I assume he wants NEW content over his ENTIRE lifetime. The cost of that content, along with the maintenance cost of the systems to deliver that content, adds up to quite a lot. And his friends and family do not want the same content that he wants. They want something completely different. His mom wants soap operas and Lifetime movies, dad wants all the sports channels and fishing shows, his brother only wants Japanese Anime and fetish porn (but not the same fetish porn he watches), and his niece wants Sesame Street and Sponge Bob. And since they are in the same household, they want all of that (plus all movies in HD the same day they hit the local cinemas) for $30/mo.

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  144. that's what they said about AltaVista.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    until Google search came along

  145. Focus on "The Box" by Baron+von+Daren · · Score: 1

    Well I’ll comment more on the TV as a multi-purpose viewing device, and less on the larger context of Television programing in the traditional sense. There will be some overlap of course.

    Content Organization: Content itself is pretty subjective, but I’ll go out on a limb and argue that most people want to watch programs on their own schedule. HBO GO is a great example of how traditional content providers are moving in this direction. As TVs integrate with internet connectivity, it will no longer be necessary to have a PC/Tablet bridge something like HBO GO to your TV.

    Form Factor - Though TVs are pretty sleek now, there is a lot of upside in the actual chassis of a TV. Fictional depictions of futuristic viewing devices generally make the ‘screen’ entirely integrated into the surrounding environment. ‘Screens’ are built into a window or wall panel, or simply projected into the air.

    Control – I feel lazy and fat just saying this, but who wants to deal with a remote? I’m not sure I’d want to rely solely on voice controls, as they would often clash with the media itself, but there is lots of room to improve the basic remote. Using a high dollar integrated controller or tablet is nice, but it’s the same basic technology as a remote. I suspect a combination of control strategies could improve the TV experience (voice, touch screen, spatial recognition, more tablet like remotes, etc.).

    Immersion - As mentioned, the current limitations to 3D TV are harsh. This will undoubtedly improve as time goes on. This really overlaps with Form Factor, as one annoyance is the need to arrange a room around the TV. As technologies improve both the immersion and Form Factor issues could be solved by something like holographic projections, glasses with built in displays, etc. Of course you can push immersion down the slow road toward VR.

    Interactivity – This is a pretty huge content and technology hurdle, but could ‘Television shows' have interactive plots? I think this already exists in the game world and could really be exploited by coupling an MMO and a TV series. I’m not sure if interactive stories could ever really supplant scripted programing for a variety of reason (not all of which are technological), but there is room for improvement here.

  146. Yes, its about as good as its ever been by Marrow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe you don't remember the programming in the old days. It was horrible. It seemed like there was one or two shows a decade that were worth watching. The movies were bad too. We see old movies and old tv shows now that are chosen because they were the watchable ones.
    Today we are spoiled for choice. There are lots of shows worth watching. Sometimes two a day on the same channel. And there are more than 3 channels now. There used to be very few channels.

    1. Re:Yes, its about as good as its ever been by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was *always* good content (and a bunch of junk too). I was a serious tvholic (had 60 channels of lineup memorized I was a walking tv guide). What made me finally give up on it? Cost. They charge me for it (and quite a bit these days) *and* put commercials in. Then add in some more sports channel jack my bill by 2-5 bucks a year. Started at 15 ended up at 75 (in under 10 years). I gave up on it.

      The commercials are what get me. They are endless. I was in a hotel a few weeks ago and was bored so flick on ye-ol-tv. There were dozens of shows to watch *if* I was willing to be subjected to 15-20 mins of commercials. Some of them I think they didnt actually have a show but was one endless commercial break. Then many of them have the commercials timed. So one station is on break good chance they *all* are.

      Had a tivo for awhile. That was just a game of how irritating could they make the commercial break lengths.

      I gave up. This is from what my family called the walking tv guide... Whoever invented the term 'monetize eyeballs' needs to be severally bludgeoned to death.

    2. Re:Yes, its about as good as its ever been by The+Bastard · · Score: 1

      Maybe you don't remember the programming in the old days. It was horrible. It seemed like there was one or two shows a decade that were worth watching. The movies were bad too. We see old movies and old tv shows now that are chosen because they were the watchable ones.
      Today we are spoiled for choice. There are lots of shows worth watching. Sometimes two a day on the same channel. And there are more than 3 channels now. There used to be very few channels.

      It depends how far back you're going for "the old days". The 60's, 70's and 80's had lots of good shows. Twilight Zone, Beverly Hillbillies, Gilligan's Island, Emergency, Mayberry/Andy Griffith, Adam-12, Star Trek:TOS, Addams Family, Dragnet, Brady Bunch, Knight Rider, Airwolf, Cheers, Cosby, Family Ties, Star Trek:TNG, Night Court, St. Elsewhere, Hill Street Blues, MASH, The Muppet Show, MacGuyver and WKRP---just to name a few. Very few shows of similar caliber exist today.

      The problem with television isn't the technology of television; it's really too many channels requiring something--ANYTHING--to fill the timeslots and sell advertising in order for people to live life vicariously through television shows instead of going out and living it. As for the technology of television, everything needed to satisfy the needs of 95% of the viewers exists.

  147. Who thinks TV isn't broken??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reasons why Television is broken:
    1 - You are forced to spend significantly more money on channels you do not watch.
    2 - You have to pay a premium to watch content in HD, which is the standard today
    3 - How many people know how to use all of the features on your TV? Or better yet - feel compelled to utilize those features?
    4 - The Television Rating System is a joke and Networks make decisions based off of that data
    5 - Customer Satisfaction for Television Service Providers SUCKS.
    6 - Network-Provider licensing agreements. B2B is negatively impacting the consumer, the one entity that matters above all others. (anyone lose channels from their provider in recent years over licensing arguments?)
    7 - Search functions take longer to type in a name than it does to scroll the channel listing
    8 - The channel numbering system is a joke. If I move, change providers, or even watch television at a friend/relatives, I have to learn a completely different channel order.

    I could go on, but I think I've laid out enough frustrations. I ditched TV service after comcast was a no-show 3 times to fix my access to HD channels, now I use Hulu Plus & Netflix on my Xbox for the majority of my content viewing.

  148. PUSH medium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any medium that is push-only (as opposed to pull) is horribly, horribly broken: it removes agency, one of humanities most important traits.

  149. My in-laws are why TV is broken by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

    My in-laws are the problem with TV in my house. If I had cable and a big screen they'd visit and stay forever with the volume turned up to 11. No cable means they drive 5 hours to come here on Friday evening, say hello to the grand-kid just before bedtime, have lunch with us the next day -- dutch treat -- and drive back home to watch the shows they missed before their recorder is full.

    That and there's no more Arrested Development.

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  150. Ditch the crap all over the screen by fox171171 · · Score: 1

    Get rid of all the crap that is not part of the show. Logos, ads onscreen, etc.

    My TV watching reduction started when they appeared. Recently I watched something (unusual for me) on TV and about a third or more of the screen was blocked by an ad. Next thing I know, there's people walking around in the ad. Very annoying.

    I don't know why anyone would watch and put up with that kind of crap.

  151. Copyright is broken / longtail by sjwest · · Score: 1

    I have no desire to make copyright barons (murdoch/comcast) richer for a few shows i hear about.
    We assume we have 'power' over what is seen - i doubt that, liberal arts majors can be stupid.
    My newspaper does not cover all the channels on offer for 'free'
    If ac nelson can prove to some tv retard that 'dancing with chickens' is better than star trek.... in the 1960's

    There are some producers of tv content that do deserve support, however if the copyright barons, and demographics co's decide its not getting enough tampon purchasers and kill it then i honesty dont see it as my problem.

  152. Re:TV? Broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why wait for bittorrent, spend the $35 for half a year of file sharing service for those illegal downloads. all the TV shows, porn, anime, movies, music you want without commercials, courtesy of fileserve, rapidshare, uploadstation etc. etc.

  153. Set Top Boxes. by residieu · · Score: 1

    My big problem, aside from content issues, is set top boxes.

    There once was a time you plugged your TV into the wall. You turned the dial and you got different channels. Instantly. Now, there's always a delay as you rapidly switch through channels (often negotiating HDMI). Often the box will get bogged down and not respond to your requests for awhile. Or you'll need to reboot it, and it will take 15 minutes for it to finish the boot sequence. They need to stop adding options and functionality and buckle down and get these machines working better. Respond instantly. Quick boots. Intelligent sleeping to save power (with instant wake up). Instead my cable company is letting me play Bejewled on my TV with my remote.

  154. It doesn't cost enough by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    You used to buy a TV box for a few hundred dollars, then your only expense was electricity. Not enough profit.

    Today, a home theater system can cost thousands, and then $150 a month for the cable - and you still have to watch commercials.

  155. What i'd like by Xenious · · Score: 1

    I want to have just the shows I want to see available on whatever normal release schedule the studio has, commercial free, on any device I own in the optimal resolution. I want them to still be available if I miss several shows. To that point it is all similar to what Apple provides on Apple TV. The kicker is that I want all of that without paying per show. I don't mind paying per month. Once I watch a show I don't need to watch it again so I have no desire to own them. The price does need to compare reasonably to current cable pricing (and yes I realize the advertising subsidy is part if that).

    What frustrates me about Apple's offering is the high price per show vs subscription.
    What frustrates me about online viewing is that older episodes disappear or the viewer is awful with odd forced ads that sometimes mess up the playback.
    What frustrates me about on-deman viewing via my cable company is the poor UI and lock-in to my cable box.

    So yes there is plenty of room there to fix TV.

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  156. remotes are broken by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

    too many buttons. WAY too many buttons. how about we go back to channel and volume. i could live with pause and play.

    take a tip from the apple remote. that's how it's done.

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  157. No standards by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

    Every device I plug in seems to have its own way of communicating. Each needs its own remote. Why can't electronics manufacturers come up with a standard so that their equipment is recognized by any modern remote? I had a remote die and it was cheaper to get a new tv than fix the remote.

    1. Re:No standards by N3Bruce · · Score: 1

      There is sort of a standard, and you can buy a "universal" remote at the local Wal-Mart or even CVS. The problem with Universal remotes is that they only support a limited number of features on each device. I'm with you bro, I have 4 remotes to control my patchwork home theater. My remote for the Cable Box has functions for the TV, but not my newer Blu-Ray player, and only limited functionality on the TV. I can manage to get a few functions to work on my 5.1 receiver. My TV remote has no functions for the cable box or receiver, never mind the new Blu-Ray player, and the Blu-Ray remote can control part of the TV, but not the receiver or cable box, and so on and so on....

      I just gave up and dedicated a side table next to my recliner for the remotes.

  158. All I want, is a good dual-channel DVR... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that isn't tied to one cable provider's programming.

  159. Watching TV is proof of stupidity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cant believe anyone still watches it, let alone admit to watching TV. Content is total rubbish. Its based on a model which means content is targeted at those young enough or stupid enough to have their buying decisions influenced by commercials. I'd pay for something worth watching but that means buying DVD/downloading content these days. The broadcast model is utterly broken. Some idiot found they could wring more money by selling more advertising rather than better content and charging more. That has doomed the industry.

  160. what's NOT broken? by alienzed · · Score: 1

    What's broken with TV is that it hasn't followed technology like computers have. Where our "You might also like"? Where's our search engine? Where's real customization and international options? When TVs have the flexibility and efficiency of computers, then all we'll be talking about are specs and which models play which games. All in all, if TVs weren't broken, there wouldn't be Apple/Google TV, Tivo, PVRs, VCRs, BluRay, etc...

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  161. Let's be clear here by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

    It ain't engineers or technicians that want to change things. As is common with these things, it's being driven by the people that want the money.

    Us engineers and technicians understand the whole, "If it ain't broke, why fix it?" mentality.

    Now, with that said; there is a problem with modern TV. It takes too damn long to change channels. Seriously, it takes a couple seconds per channel. To me, that's a critical design flaw that needs to be fixed, especially since that's a recent development with cable boxes. So there you go, the industry created a real problem. Now they need to fix it.

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    1. Re:Let's be clear here by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      It ain't engineers or technicians that want to change things. ...

      Us engineers and technicians understand the whole, "If it ain't broke, why fix it?" mentality.

      Speak for yourself. I'm always looking to improve stuff.

      Now, with that said; there is a problem with modern TV. It takes too damn long to change channels. Seriously, it takes a couple seconds per channel. To me, that's a critical design flaw that needs to be fixed, especially since that's a recent development with cable boxes. So there you go, the industry created a real problem. Now they need to fix it.

      Exactly.

  162. Its simple by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    The problem with TV is shit content. Whats the point in Full HD and 3D TV if the majority of tv content is reality shows and other various trash? The only thing I can think of is using the HD resolution to read text on web pages and the 3D for console gaming. Why still call it a TV when it should be a monitor/all-in-one pc that just happens to have video input and a tv tuner?

  163. My 2 cents... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are a lot of comments about what kind of shows are bad for TV. But one persons trash is anothers treasure. I can ignore Jersey Shore, etc. Kinda like I don't surf to web sites I don't like or possibly find offending.

    For me, 3D is an awful idea. I've never wanted it, and will not purchase a TV with the feature. I just don't see the point. I get enough 3D experience during the day at work, I don't need more at home when I get a chance to watch some TV. I want my TV to entertain me, or educate me. For me, that is the purpose of having it.

    TV is a product that has reached close to its maximum potential. What's left is to reduce manufacturing costs, make them more energy efficient, reduce depth / weight, etc. Sure, I'm sure there are some future features that may be cool that no one has thought of yet, but in reality a TV is really just a monitor. It is our display device, sound output. Everything else is related to content (good or bad) and what we can do with that.

    And I think that the content portion is best served by a separate device (aka HTPC or something along those lines). Maybe TV manufacturers should start thinking about our TV viewing experience more like a desktop computer. There is the monitor (TV), and the box (tuner, DVR, etc). Build more smarts into the box part. Like some sort of AI that notices I like the Jason Bourne movies (or something similar) and recommends other movies of a similar genre, or other movies with Matt Damon in them. I think Tivo has a similar feature like this.

    But part of the problem is the guide data. Who will supply that? How is that service paid for?

  164. TV is broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't want to be fed by spoon. I like to use my spoon alone.

    So don't feed me prorgramm and expect that i will sit and wait that good show is running. I want my shows where and when i want to watch them.

  165. Re:The US subscription model is the most broken th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always find it funny that the a la carte pricing always comes up in discussion groups where most people in the group would be hurt by it because they do not watch what the masses do. If a la carte pricing was implemented only the most popular channels would make it and all the strange and unusual fringe content would be gone.
    under the current system its worth it for the cable company to pay the wood working channel because the 5% of people that would want to watch the wood working channel will buy the entire package as they feel the wood working channel adds to that value. Now if only 5% of the people would pay for the a la cart wood working channel the cable company would not want to pick them up as it wouldn't be worth it or the amount of money the wood working channel gets is not enough to sustain it. See the current system promotes a wide variety of shows to appeal to a wide variety of people the a la carte system would focus on few channels that brought in the most people.
    Most people complain that most of TV is crap but what they don't get is that is exactly the point most of TV is crap but the stuff you consider good is someone elses crap. The model we have now allows so much content to be available 100s of channels of content so that millions of individuals can find something of interest to them 3-4 times a week.

  166. Its a business thing, not a technology thing by StillNeedMoreCoffee · · Score: 1

    Like Henry Fords second great invention after his assembly line innovations was to come out with different models every year to stimulate sales. A form a social engineering coupled with sales and profit motive. Sell people on the idea of having the latest and greatest. It churns the sales. This has been good for the economy for about a century. The other innovations to support that model which changed the way manufacturing has been thought of is "Planned Obsolescence".
    This made sure that you could use the flimsiest and cheapest materials to make sure that people had to buy new product. I worked for a specialty steel company that was approached by an automaker who wanted a stainless steel muffler. They made one that would outlast the car. They came back and said, no we want one that will only last 5 years.

    As the junk piles up in our landfills and we start to run out of cheap energy that is wasted in the manufacture of goods planned not to last, and we wake up to the fact that our consumer society is in trouble, something will have to drastically change. I hope not catastrophically.

    Anyway, it is the same economics that are driving the push to get the government to crack down on IP piracy that is driving people to re-invent the TV. They want to keep their business profits rolling in in the face of the steam roller of history starting to bear down on them.

    And we need cool jobs making cool stuff and getting paid.

  167. There's nothing broken by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

    There's nothing broken with TV's not even my old CRT model. What's broken is the business models, and distribution networks, especially cable.

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  168. The Real Problem by tbannist · · Score: 1

    The real problem that these companies are trying to work on is simple:

    "I'm not getting a [big enough] cut of the revenues from TV"

    That's the fundamental problem they're all trying to solve. That's not to say that there aren't problems with TV, but I think the problems are probably too bound into the TV ecosystem to be fixed and I don't think anyone is interested in fixing the real problems because it wouldn't be profitable to fix them.

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  169. Content, NOT Interactivity by doclight · · Score: 1

    I have to agree with the overall content sentiment. I'm dismayed by the lack of an a la carte option for television. Honestly, I'd gladly pay for a channel that did nothing but just play re-runs of classic sci-fi series. Also, the few sports events I do watch, I'd prefer to be able to purchase individually (or even in bulk as a season). All of this, sans commercials, I would gladly pay a premium for; if only for the privilege of being able to do so.

    Unfortunately, it looks like companies want to expand television into the interactive realm. While I can see a few possible improvements here, I don't think the television is the device for it (what's the advantage of having it in the television as opposed to a tablet PC?). I certainly don't look forward to media companies leering behind my television, waiting with frothing mouths and sweaty palms to harvest my clicks and present me with more ads for shit I couldn't possibly want any less.

  170. Its the Cable Compaines Stupid by stwf · · Score: 1

    The obvious solution is that you need to eliminate the cable companies ( I can't get FIOS ). Why is it that every TV I have requires a big ugly loud cable box that uses more electricity than my refrigerator, even when off! Also I'm paying a ton of money for channels I don't watch just to subsidize Cablevision's salary structure.

    Plus it all runs over this crappy coax network in my house (even though every place I have a coax jack I also have an ethernet jack. I run into problems trying to add extra tv sets since the splitters are all dumb.

    The internets role has been to eliminate middle men in all fields, I can't wait until the crap accumulating, junky hardware renting unnecessary appendage that the cable companies have become are gone.

  171. People said the same thing about books by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Early adobe/Palm e-book efforts were dismissed, original Kindle peaked people's attention, now Borders is gone and most people associate reading with iPad, Nook or Kindle Fire. You may not see the point of the 1st generation TV from Apple. But someday your current set will break down and you will get a product that requires only a single power cable and WiFi and delivers news, sports, movies, gaming and videoconferencing for the fraction of the cost of current cable subscription. You will then thank early adopters who answered the "why" question on your behalf.

  172. TV is broken (*) by Shompol · · Score: 1

    *- so says my wife, who wanted the return of TV in our living room for some time. She did not want to "watch stuff from the internet", but "sit on the couch, relax, and watch whatever is on". So I hooked up the air antennae and showed her how to switch to our LCD panel to "TV mode" -- "But... there is nothing on", was the argument, and the "TV mode" was never used again

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the problem! We want to relax and just watch what we want, when we have time, and preferably without 50% of show time sold to commercials.

  173. Broadcast doesn't scale... by Junta · · Score: 1

    In terrestial radio, you have maybe 6-10 distinct things to watch/record at given point of time.

    If you pay a *whole* lot more for satellite or cable, you get one order of magnitude more stuff to watch at a given point of time. If left to 'surf', this is also 10 times more work to trudge through.

    In order to watch something I like, I can either align my schedule to it or have my PVR attempt to record it only to get out of sync due to a baseball game (or else have them cancel that showing entirely, which means no way of watching what I wanted whether I liked the baseball game or not). The logistics of broadcast television are a pain with PVR as a hackish workaround.

    Meanwhile, any arbitrary video stream accessible from hulu, youtube, or netflix out of *thousands* is immediately available, not tied up in arbitrary 'channels', not bound to a restricted broadcast medium.

    I suppose the only thing that's missing is the 'I don't know what to watch so just spew something at me'. Hulu desktop almost does this but generally just throws movie trailers at me. Something like Pandora mechanics would probably outdo television for a contiguous stream of stuff that keeps me engaged, since a television channel frequently has no theme consistency timeslot-to-timeslot.

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    1. Re:Broadcast doesn't scale... by John+Sokol · · Score: 1

      Mod this up.

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  174. You don't know Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you think TV can be fixed by offering a greater number of amazing new features, then you (still!) don't know Apple.
    TV is broken because people don't watch it as much as they might or, when they do watch, they're not very satisfied by the experience.
    Fixing TV is more about experience than features.

  175. Ahhhhhhhhh, this is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) content sucks
    2) 3x4 SD TV was just fine
    3) 9x16 HD TV format sucks
    4) content sucks
    5) cable costs WAY too much
    6) i'm going to go get a book

  176. What's wrong with TV? Complacency. by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    But nobody seems to be able to answer the big question: what exactly is so broken about TV anyway?

    This irks me. Not even addressing the content available on TV, let's just look at what's wrong the device itself: Cost, form-factor, size, energy requirements, ergonomics, useless remotes...for starters. Seriously, this sort of nonchalant attitude about consumer devices is why consumer devices suck.

    Now I have other first-world problems to go complain about...

  177. TV vs DVD by pgpalmer · · Score: 1

    Let me see here.

    TV
    For: Free
    Against: Lousy TV reception (where I live, anyway), non-optional programming (you can't pick what's on), advertising.

    DVD
    For: Optional "programming", no advertising, no reception issues.
    Against: Costs money.

    How much? Newly-released box sets go at about $70 per season. Wait five years, and you can probably pick up the box set for about $30. So, an entire series of 7 seasons costing $210 for less than fifty cents per hour. Not bad, and you get to watch it again for no extra charge whenever you want.

    If you don't particularly want to collect DVD box sets, you can also rent them for far less money.

  178. Netflix and Hulu fixed it by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

    It isn't broken any more.

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  179. The old days are gone.. by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    "TV" was a push based, realtime entertainment with very limited bandwidth. Much of the programming had to be halfway decent, and the talent was a lot better, as it was competing for that tiny timeslice. If you missed some thing, you truly did, and you'd be out of the loop come water cooler conversation time. Today, with thousands of channels, the talent has gone way, way down. There are so many ads you NEED a DVR to watch anything...I can't recall the last time I watched a cable or OTA show in real time that wasn't a sports match. Since all those holes need filling, we've gone from Lucille Ball and Mary Tyler Moore to....Snooki and the Kartrashian clan. TV is now just a big screen. Ask my kids, who don't watch ANY OTA or cable in real time either. The networks are screwed...note all the ads are for drugs for old folks....no one under 45 watches "the news", and no one watches anything in real time anymore.

  180. die TV die! by boysenberry · · Score: 1

    About 10+ years ago when MPEG-2 decoder cards and ADSL appeared, I thought finally, we are on the verge of having "content providers" who basically just host all the films and shows they can pile up and we can watch whatever we want, whenever we want, flexibly being able to choose whether it's ad-supported, a monthly subscription, or per viewing. I grossly underestimated old media and people's addiction to the boob tube. I don't watch any TV at all anymore. I don't even have a tuner of any sort. There's just too much other more interesting media out there nowadays to compete against the old "plop yourself on a lazyboy and watch whatever's on for hours and hours" patheticness. The once-a-week 25 minute show with 20 minutes of ads is just not something I will ever, ever, ever return to. I'd rather not watch at all. I download or buy all my films/shows and watch exactly what I want, when I want, and that's the only way for me, and it looks like this perspective is becoming more and more popular. Finally.

  181. Programming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are they called TV Programs?? coz theyre programming you. Ahahaha
    Looking for more out of life??? Want to change???
    Turn of the brainwashing box, look up some of these titles on you tube.

    Howard Beale "turn off the tv"
    "Music that wants your Soul" you will have to use quotes on this 1 to get the series
    The Arrivals Series by Wake-Up Project.

    Hope I have helped crack the door for a few :)

  182. Did you notice that when they switched to HDTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the plots didn't improve.

  183. Channel numbers!! by LordRobin · · Score: 1

    What's wrong? I'll tell you what's wrong. It's the year Two Thousand f***in Eleven, and I still have to memorize channel numbers! If I want to watch Comedy Central, I should be able to tell the stupid box that I want to watch Comedy Central, not have to type in a four-digit code that I still can't remember after all this time. Yeah, there's the "Favorites" function which shortens your search, but why should I even have to mess with that? With the current state of technology, why is there no better way of locating channels other than assigning each one a number?

    Current TV is premiering some new programming and is using their website to educate viewers on "how to find" their network. That's just obscene. Nobody should have to hunt through 1000+ channels to find what they're looking for.

    ------RM

  184. Pulled the plug! by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    I just cancelled my cable. The cable company's subscription model meant I was spending $$$ every month for half a dozen programs, spread across three different tiers of channels. Since I can get everything I want over the air, streamed or on iTunes, I pulled the plug. I supplement this with (mainly overseas) DVDs. Anna Pihl can arrest me any time she wants. :-)

    Unlike others around here, I actually like Pan Am. It passes an important test, though without ads, the run time is a paltry 40 minutes. That's an awful lot of ads in an hour. Ouch!

    ...laura

  185. Device improvements by Openstandards.net · · Score: 1
    The device can use the following improvements:

    1> Cover an entire wall (no more repainting or physical wall paper!!!), while supporting touch. 2> Be able to act as a screen to any wireless device. Why can't you "project" your Android to your TV.

    Regarding content: all TV needs to be on-demand, except for live events, of course. We're progressing here.

    When we accomplish these things, then, perhaps, we can say we're done improving the TV.

    Of course, at this point, we might want to consider burning books, perhaps converting our fire departments into book burning units.

  186. They broke it when they got rid of analog by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 1

    TV used to be great; when it was free. After they went digital, it is almost impossible to get a signal over the airwaves that creates watchable television. When it was analog, you could watch free television almost anywhere, if you didn't mind a little snow.

    Nowadays, you have to pay for tv on top of paying for internet (and you still generally end up watching ads). So the problem is that I want free tv. Especially if it has advertising.

  187. Slashdot cultural disconnect: the NFL by Kohath · · Score: 1

    Discussions like these show just how far Slasdot is alienated from regular society.

    TV is:

    - the NFL (National Football League -- football is a sport),
    - other stuff.

    After the NFL, there are other sports and other shows. But the ratings are dominated by NFL games. Any talk about TV content and pricing without the NFL is missing the real picture. If you don't pay attention to the NFL, you're going to have a hard time understanding the TV business. If you don't value sports, your cable plan wasn't designed for you. Your cable bill includes a large amount of money to pay for sports programming.

    1. Re:Slashdot cultural disconnect: the NFL by chikanamakalaka · · Score: 1

      Yep, this is the only reason why I subscribe to cable. Even then almost everything I watch on the TV is the on demand stuff, which is probably on Hulu anyway.

  188. ok, here we go... by nblender · · Score: 1

    - advertising. Ads before the show, ads after the title sequence, ads throughout the show. Recap after the ads with product placement. Animated ads that appear at the bottom of the screen, often covering up crucial content. Ads after the show when they cram the closing credits to the left of the screen and show an ad on the right half of the screen.
    - Ever try counting the amount of actual non-recapped content in a mythbusters episode?
    - Regular shows that start a season, do a few episodes and then go on hiatus for months at a time, then reappear for 2 or 3 episodes, then go on hiatus again (Big Bang Theory). No longer can you grab some popcorn and sit down with your wife to watch an episode together because it might not be on this week (or next, or next)
    - Content providers electing not to allow other countries to have their content until a year or two or three later. The internet has made friendships that are international... So when your friends are all laughing at the latest thing that happened on whatever show, you, as an out-of-country friend, have no way to participate in that discussion because you won't see the episode for two years. Or when the news-streams tell you how ended, it ruins it for you since you won't get the content for another year or two, if ever.

    The political layer has ruined TV. The greed layer has ruined TV. Bittorrent and MythTV have saved TV for me. Until content makers, content providers and content distributors get back to the task of making/presenting TV in a way that customers want instead of investors, they can all go fuck themselves and I will continue to steal their content and view it in a way that's convenient _for_me_.

  189. CNN would say TV ain't broke wouldn't they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean them being a part of the whole standard TV lineup themselves...

    I'd say the problems with TV are:

    Too many ads. Anyone who's ever watched shows online will notice that without the ads an hour long program comes out to like 40 minutes and a half hour program to 20. That's 1/3 of the whole time watching TV you spend watching ads. (Or doing something else while waiting for ads to stop)

    It's mostly stupid. Hey look I don't claim to be a super-genius either, I'm pretty dumb myself, but it's literally filled with stupid crap. Every single station just about. I only like certain programs really. But hey everyone's different, so let us choose which stupid crap to watch. At some times there is stupid crap I want to watch and others not. This is why a la carte is best. In our fast paced world, we don't always have the ability to watch programs at certain times....

    We have the tech to not be hindered by the brutal statistics of the Nielsen rating system. With digital distribution, they can figure out exactly how many people watched Firefly and not cancel it...In fact I kinda wish there was a thumbs up/thumbs down system like pandora has for TV...

  190. THE VOLUME OF COMMERCIALS!!!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...versus the volume of the programming. I swear to GOD, commercials come through 12 decibels higher than normal TV programs. And this is consistent through both Dish Network and Comcast Cable, 2 different TVs, and 2 different audio receivers. That's all I'd change.

  191. Not much left to add by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All you can do to improve TV itself is make the picture larger, sharper, and have more accurate color. Pardon my French, but 3D television is fucking retarded.

    Beyond improving the picture, all that's left to do is converge the content delivery capabilites of what we hook up to our TVs now-- a TV with DVR and streaming capabilities built right in, so we don't need a mess of wires, a handful of devices, and handful of remotes (or an expensive Harmony remote to replace them all).

    TVs are already coming with things like Netflix built in, so it's starting to happen. It would probably have already been here if not for the fucking greedy-ass cable companies fighting CableCARD every step of the way.

    As for me, I still don't own an HDTV. The "big-ass TV" in my house is a 35" CRT behemoth I bought in 1994, which still works just fine. I'm perfectly happy to watch it as flatscreens keep getting better and cheaper.

  192. Am I seriously the only one by dnaumov · · Score: 2

    who thinks that 20 year old TVs (with the analog knobs and all that) were a LOT easier to use compared to the TVs we have today? Have you ever had to do "TV tech support" for someone in your family? I swear, the UIs are progressively getting worse and most people don't know about 90% of features in their TV or how to use them. Hell, *I* probably don't know half the features of my TV and how to use them and I am rather technically-inclined 28 year old male.

    1. Re:Am I seriously the only one by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      My mom HAS a 20 year old TV, and I've never had to do "tech support" for her on the TV itself. But it's a PITA dealing with connecting the satellite box and/or DVD to a set that old. The owners manual on them gives ME a headache.

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    2. Re:Am I seriously the only one by evilviper · · Score: 1

      who thinks that 20 year old TVs (with the analog knobs and all that) were a LOT easier to use compared to the TVs we have today? Have you ever had to do "TV tech support" for someone in your family?

      That sounds rather Jobsian... Back when there was only one input connection, no output connections, no remote control, things were SIMPLER. Lots of useless devices are simple, too, it's not the technological triumph you think it is.

      Obviously a TV without a remote control to MUTE those ear-busting commercials is a non-starter... Sure, it's simple, you KNOW that there's nothing you can do about it. Hoory for simplicity.

      And dials for channel changing? That's not easier, that requires ME to memorize a bunch of trivial minutia that I shouldn't need to know. And turning a dial around is somehow better than the electronic program guide that instantly tells me what's on each and every channel, right now and up to 3 hours from now? To hell with that.

      Yes, TVs would be simpler without all these horrible "input" and "output" options. Got a DVD player? Can't use it... See how simple that was? Surroud-sound system? Can't use it. Simple, isn't it?

      And complaining that your TV has options you don't know much about is like listening to people who complain that those widescreeen/letterboxed movies are cut off and hiding part of the picture from them.

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  193. Here's an easy one by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

    > So, what do you think is broken about TV right now?

    No one combines internet TV guide info with over the air channel info. I get better OTA than cable, so this would be nice.

  194. That's easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) I want what I want when I want it. Scheduling, and PVRs are pointless to me. Streaming video is the only viable solution.

    2) I don't want to subsidise everything I don't want to watch. Shows like CSI, Jersey Shore, etc can die in a fire. Cable is designed to make me have to pay for shit I don't want.

    3) I don't want commercials every 10 minutes. If the only way you're profitable is to spam me with commercials on the shit I've already paid for, go fuck yourself.

    4) I want access to a rich back-catalog so I can experience shows when I want to without having to wait for a rerun. Nothing is more frustrating than discovering a show once it's in its second or third season and not being able to start from the beginning.

  195. Ads and VOD by ichthus · · Score: 1

    I torrent absolutely everything that I watch. For me, TV is better than it has ever been, but I admit that it's non-ideal. Ethical issues aside (I consider torrenting analogous to having a neighbor tape a show for you, and then fast-forwarding through the commercials REALLY fast), I find that I miss out on not seeing ANY ads. Other than checking movie trailers on apple.com, I never know about new, upcoming movies. I never know about new fall line-ups, or upcoming sales from local retailers.

    None of these are crucial, and I'm fine without them, but I find some ads/commercial breaks to be as useful as checking dealnews.com daily, or the Sunday ads in the paper (which I also do not subscribe to.)

    I think that I would actually be willing to selectively watch ads (those that interest me) periodically, just to stay up on things. I don't want or need to see ads for herpes meds, adult diapers or panty liners with wings, but I might just want to know about a sale from a local retailer, a new ride at the amusement park, or a discount day at a ski resort.

    I don't know the solution here, but I think ads are the biggest problem with TV. Who wants to watch an advertisement for something that isn't even relevant for their life situation?

    BTW, I also don't like the fact that I have gigabytes of brain memory storage taken up by toy/toothpaste/cereal jingles from the 80's. It's disgusting how may cereal jingles I can sing from my childhood.

    Oh, and as for the VOD, it's awesome to be able to watch what I want, when I want without having to remember to set a timer or schedule a recording on a device.

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  196. Former ClearChannel/CNN dev here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CNN is as aware of how their broadcast software as any end user. Moreover the problem is with the extensibility of the systems they use. These systems usually run on a "schedule" which is developed by sales to fit as many commercials as possible into all our favorite shows. While working on and testing this software I was amazed at how little value the executives for these companies put into the lifeblood of their television stations. The most important thing is that their system never change. Trying to keep these legacy systems afloat causes the entire operation to be in 90% maintenance mode and about 10% is put into innovation. Salaries are slashed, work is contracted, many staff are laid off. Until CNN realizes that the people behind all this matter and the equipment is not going to innovate on its own then things won't change. Also there are a myriad of regulatory bodies that hamper development as well but that goes with the territory. If you like the idea of all your favorite shows playing out of Windows NT (I kid you not) and Windows 95 boxes then lets stick with what we got. How well do you think that kind of equipment can handle your demands for input and customization? Not very.

  197. TV's are broken because there is no standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TV - tv's are broken because there is no standard. Not only do TV's not have a standard, but the signal you get from the broadcasters is all mixed as well.
    They need to sit down and pick - everything - and I mean EVERYTHING is one standard. EG 720p or 1080p - not the +8 we have now.

    Shows - Our options are watch it on the broadcasters schedule, with an insane amount of commercials - to the point where they start to blur OR download it and get 0 commercials and you get to view it when you want to, commercial free - and in HD.

    So very broken for jo-blow average.

    Most people I know Do have an HD TV, yet are still watching DVD's and standard TV - and they sit and think, why does this look like crap on this expensive TV. And the conclusion they come to is HD TV's are garbage... it is just sad.

  198. To the Contrary by sycodon · · Score: 1

    It would cost you about $50,000 a year, plus books and fees.

    Well, maybe not now, but you can bet some University Administration would decide that's what has to happen.

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    1. Re:To the Contrary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bundle the $50,000 a year over your 3,000,000 subscribers...the cost per day is microscopic.

  199. We don't pay for it, that's why it's crap by QuatermassX · · Score: 1

    Not directly, anyway.

    Television in most of the world is utter crap because it is funded by advertisements. The ad market doesn't work by crafting entertainments that people pay for directly (and, if it's not to their likely, they don't). Television shows exist as ad delivery vehicles or as something that resembles a gaudy variation on popular entertainment from state-sponsored, tax-funded stations.

    Television will work again only when one buys direct access to a show (or series of shows). Unpopular shows that can't make their production costs back won't be on the air for long.

    Advertising can so very quickly debase the relationship between purchaser of content and its creator. That link needs to be restored. Quickly.

    The pipe-owners - Comcast, Sky, TimeWarner - can only further distance us from choosing our entertainment with our money.

    This works at the cinema and it's the way television should work, too.

  200. TV Is Broke Until Apple Fixes It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So sayeth the Jobs.

  201. You can't stop this show. Pop the popcorn... by istartedi · · Score: 1

    First, you can't stop geeks from geeking the TV. That's the free market. Secondly, the fact that they're geeking the TV, the content sucks, and the Internet is fragmenting the audience leads me to a conclusion. There is no longer the same critical mass of viewers that there once was. Thus, TV won't be the same cultural touchstone that it was when we were all watching Happy Days on Tuesday nights back in the 70s.

    A few months ago a friend comes out and he's like, "there's this show called Breaking Bad..." and he proceeds to tell me about this and that, and the other; but it's a dead-end conversation because I refuse to pay for TV. That's one division right there--those of us who pay for premium content and those who don't. Then there's those of us who have broadband and watch YouTube vids (that'd be me). I'd probably not connect as well with somebody who has satellite TV and dial-up Internet.

    Anyway, the "fragmented audience show" must go on. You pop the popcorn...

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  202. Rant on! by sl149q · · Score: 1

    1. CableCo's charge too much! FAR FAR too much.

    2. CableCo's charge EXTRA for HD... who the hell has a NON-HD TV these days... all TV stations are broadcasting in HD. They need to do more work to downgrade the signal to SD so they can give me that and charge extra for the HD channel.

    3. Internet based TV like NetFlix and Hulu work great and are cheap BUT only when you use them through your PC. Trying to find an elegant (read simple to use and usable) solution for the big screen that doesn't require a little screen (laptop) next to the big screen is like pulling teeth. Hey guys it really needs to be as easy as running the PVR.

    4. Since there is no one integrated solution the various boxes needed to implement the home theater need to get along better. HDMI-CEC may help but it appears to be early days for this (Western Digital and Tivo ARE YOU LISTENING?)

    5. Presets. We want presets. There are several common things we do that we don't want to have to navigate too EVERY TIME WE WANT TO DO THEM... Turn on the News. Turn on Netflix. Turn on my favorite radio station. These need to be simple and accessible from the remote without having to interact with the TV.

    I'm just going through the process of down grading my CableCo to Internet Only status... I am getting 10+ OTA channels. Feeding that into a Tivo. The Tivo works better than the old (Motorola) PVR the CableCo provided.

    We're going to Netflix for the movies. But that is painful on the Tivo... (effectively go to the office, find a movie, add to instant queue, go back to living room, go through a bunch of menus to load NetFlix program, find the movie in the instant queue and voila! five minutes later you are watching a movie!)

    The WD TV Live Plus is slightly better. But unless you leave it on 24/7 it takes some time to turn on. Then you need to scroll down to Internet Media, then down and left to find NetFlix... Load up, and then find the movie in the Instant Queue.. It does have a Search option though. So possibly almost worth while.

    And some other simple things.Presets... when the TV is not on we like to have the receiver set to FM and bring in some nice Jazz station... used to do that by tuning to a station that the CableCo brought in. Can't get that OTA here... so I need to do that via the Internet. Both Tivo and WD TV Live are more than happy to do it too. But you can't do it through the remote to a preset... Turn the TV on. Select source (Tivo or WD), make sure they are on... fumble through the menus to find the application you want for that Internet Media source (e.g. Tunein) and run it... Fumble through that set of menus to get to your presets and hey presto five minutes later you now have your music... Just turn the TV off and you are good to go.

  203. Re:The US subscription model is the most broken th by jovius · · Score: 1

    The most flawed paradigm is that there has to be a TV to enjoy the content made for it. TV is just one of the screens to which stream data. In Finland all of the major channels provide many of the shows (own or bought) for free on their dedicated online streaming sites (http://areena.yle.fi/, http://www.ruutu.fi/ ...) The quality is not 100% of course but it's enough - and the quality baseline gets higher as the technology advances.

    Besides the same kind of subscriptions as you described are available (although I don't know if any of the providers stream online content too).

    The only quirk is that the households with TV sets need to pay a TV fee. It is to provide the public broadcaster its funding (like BBC). The fee is about $0.90 / day at the moment. It is however slowly transforming into a media fee to reflect the changing media environment.

  204. Here is what's happening. by John+Sokol · · Score: 1

    The Tsunami that is the Internet has washed over industry after industry as it's speed and reliability has improved. TV now finds itself the next set of businesses suddenly knee deep in an ocean of rising cheap bandwidth. How will they fair compared to their fellow media companies that lived a little lower down in bandwidth requirements such as the newspapers, music labels, and telephone companies?

    Now toss in Moore's law and how I have a camera in my phone that can shoot HD video and edit and distribute and do a better job then I ever could 15 years back with $20K worth of gear.

    Change will be coming.

    Internet Video has been my life's work.
    I write a blog on this http://www.videotechnology.com/

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  205. Re:TV isn't relevant, so why care? by tftp · · Score: 1

    People still say things like this makes to make themselves feel superior?

    People say that [they don't watch TV] because they discovered how much free time they recover by forgoing the stupid box. Some of that time they may spend on the Internet, but at least they can choose the level of stupid that they are comfortable with.

  206. PVR arms race by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PVRs have to bear some blame for TV suckage.

    First, I never wanted to buy an extra device just to skip ads. I liked having an opportunity to use the restroom or get a snack, and was willing to concede a few seconds when I sat back down.

    The ability to skip commercials on broadcasts drove the networks to run interstitials and product placements in content more frequently. Now *every* show is becoming like Seinfeld--real products in there, except that Seinfeld didn't do it for commercial gain (at least, that's their story and they're sticking to it).

    Long story short, it's a DVR/PVR arms race, and everybody loses except the arms dealers. That's the DVR/PVR makers, and the advertisers who now get to sell product placements and interstitials in addition to regular ads.

    1. Re:PVR arms race by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, the actual content may not be nearly as expense as the current typical method of delivery (namely cable). If there's anything that you can get cheaply on DVD, you're much better off just buying stuff outright and "deleting" that particular show off of your list of reasons to bother with cable.

      Plus you get it uncut.

      Butchering re-runs has nothing to do with any PVR arms race. It predates PVRs entirely.

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      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
  207. What's wrong with TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Multiple devices on different levels that don't communicate properly. My step-dad can't figure out how to use the remote to turn on-off surround sound speakers, so he's having me remove them. Way to many channels, many of which appear to be identical but aren't. difficult to watch on demand. Separate remotes, with necessary functionality that won't work with a universal remote (e.g. a toggle button where the same command switches between states, rather than one command for one state, a second-third command for the others, mean you can't program a universal remote with multiple steps, necessary for switching between 'TV', Blu-ray & Game Console).

  208. TV's basic problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TV doesn't need to be fixed -- it needs to be eliminated.

    As was pointed out, TV is passive. TV isn't for human beings -- TV is and always has been for human-shaped sheep.

    Sheep are herded, sheep are sheared, sheep are eaten. I wouldn't care so much about this happening to the grotesque hordes of Americans who fit this category, except that when the herding and shearing and slaughter starts, little effort is made to distinguish the sheep from the goats... or from the actual human beings, for that matter.

  209. Re:The US subscription model is the most broken th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do realize that Apple TV was released 4 years ago and you can probably walk into any Apple store and pick one up.

  210. THE SOLUTION!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Most of us are even OK spending a few minutes just shuffling through channels at random."
    I'm going to patent a four-button remote:
    1) on/off
    2) volume up
    3) volume down
    4) go to random channel

    Ideally buttons 1-3 can be hidden behind a slide-cover and button 4 should be fashioned as big and centrally placed as possible, preferably in an easy-to-distinguish color.

  211. Backslash by gnugnugnu · · Score: 1

    How about even just getting staff to say only "slash" and "backslash" instead of pedantically saying "forward-slash" every damned time.

  212. "Other people who watched X also watched Y" by xaxa · · Score: 1

    So far the only answer to these problems has been BitTorrent.

    Or official catch-up services, like the BBC's iPlayer. When I used to have a TV (with signal) in the house, and I was more aware of what I was missing, I used it fairly often to watch things at my convenience, on my choice of device. (Having realised no one in the house watched live TV, we stopped paying for the license and disconnected the aerial. So, I'm no longer aware of what I'm missing, and look at what's available on iPlayer etc. I look occasionally, but don't seem to miss out on much.)

    Has anyone implemented the patent (software patent, yuk) I had the "idea" for, when I was working one summer for an electronics company? The TV/box to record things that you might be interested in, based on what you've previously watched, and what other people watch? One more step from "other people who viewed XYZ also watched". But that's just a temporary measure until bandwidth is great enough to just store everything centrally anyway.

    1. Re:"Other people who watched X also watched Y" by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's called a TiVo. They've been doing this since the beginning of the 3rd Millennium.

    2. Re:"Other people who watched X also watched Y" by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's called a TiVo. They've been doing this since the beginning of the 3rd Millennium.

      Yep, I've looked it up. TiVo Suggestions. Is it any good?

      That's one more bullshit software patent then (if the patent went through -- I didn't write it, I went back to university).

    3. Re:"Other people who watched X also watched Y" by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      Yep, I've looked it up. TiVo Suggestions. Is it any good?

      Try googling for "TiVo thinks i'm gay"

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    4. Re:"Other people who watched X also watched Y" by lennier · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's called a TiVo. They've been doing this since the beginning of the 3rd Millennium.

      Interesting TiVo story: I live in New Zealand. TiVo has only decided to sell here for about a year. Until about a month ago, they sold the boxes only through Telecom (one of our phone companies), it wasn't available in appliance stores alongside, you know, TVs. They finally realised that nobody knew their product existed, and decided to partner with only one appliance retailer, as if their product was a super-premium exclusive thing.

      The kicker? The current version they're selling, in the one store, doesn't even get the online guide correct for the New Zealand Freeview (DVB-T) digital channels. Analog TV is being turned off in 2013; Freeview is what everyone in the country will have to have within two years. And the TiVo product on the market doesn't even do the NZ standard TV format properly.

      Right now there's only about one fully Freeview compliant digital DVR available in NZ, and that's not a TiVo, it's a Panasonic.

      TiVo practically invented the hard disk TV recorder product category. Yet in NZ, they've inexplicably chosen to first abandon the market entirely, then enter late, grudgingly, with strange encumberances, and finally when they do show up, it's with a faulty product.

      Can someone explain to me why TiVo have been so outstandingly idiotic here? Is it an American "we just simply don't care about non-US markets" sort of thing, or are they a formerly smart company who went through a dumb phase, like Palm did? Either way, this bizarre behaviour doesn't endear them to me as a company. I'd avoid them on principle for at least five years and a CEO change.

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  213. Content Delivery is broken by david.emery · · Score: 1

    Why should I pay increasing amounts for channels I don't want to watch under bundling arrangements, just to get the 2 or 3 channels (and half-dozen programs) I do watch? Why am I restricted to what my particular cable provider wants to give me?

    Seems to me we need to look at TV 'signals' like the Internet, and separate bandwidth providers from content providers.

  214. Switched Away from TV by prefec2 · · Score: 1

    TV has a content problem. Most of the content sucks. And when you see the advertisements, you know that the world is crazy out there. I switched away from TV about 8-9 years ago. First, I watched series when I had time to borrow a tape, a DVD or download the stuff elsewhere. Over time, I moved to an online TV recorder. So know I record the stuff I want to watch (or select it for recording after it run on TV (really cool feature)) and I watch it when I have time. Some stuff like news or TV-series from public/state TV are freely available on the sites of those stations. So I can get my watching stuff when I have time. What I lost is zapping. But zapping is a good way to destroy lifetime. You watch without watching and it takes time. The focus on the TV shuts your brain down. So you cannot think about yourself, the world, or anything what really matters. You even forget the dirt in the kitchen. And after the zapping you still feel exhausted. So the broken thing about TV is zapping, the advertising, and most of the content.

    As I do not watch TV advertisements, when I go to the cinema, I often do not understand the adverts there, as they tend to tell stories and build on top of them. Now I missed some years of TV ads and I cannot understand the direction of some of the ads. But I can understand what they want to sell me and which tricks they want to use. The same happens when I see ads from the US. Living in Europe gave me a different context and therefor, I see them from the outside. The ads producers must really think US citizens are simple and naive. And I know we pay twice as much for a Kindle and less for our mobile flat. ;-) And I know they try to sell crazy abnormal cars.

    In short: TV is broken, as it is not watch when you want what you want. And it will be gone someday and only people who need to disable their brain will have one.

  215. TV is Complementary to Intellectual Property by Bob9113 · · Score: 1

    TV Isn't Broken, So Why Fix It?

    It is reasonable to assume that priority order of human endeavor starts with the things that are most broken. That makes sense from an objective efficiency perspective, but not from the perspective of pragmatic business. Pragmatic business is focused on maximizing shareholder value. The priority ordering of pragmatic business is highest profit first. In an efficient free market, that would be the same as most broken first. In a market with biasing factors, however, the highest priority markets -- the markets that are most profitable -- are those which benefit most from those biases.

    One broad market that has been the benefactor of shifting public resource investment is intellectual property. We have been granting longer and broader monopoly rights, and becoming more narrow in our interpretation and protection of competitive and consumer rights in IP. We have been investing public resources in making IP more profitable. As with any market, IP has ancillary markets. Those ancillary markets benefit from increases in the profitability of the primary market. In the case of IP, one example is television.

    Investment on enhancing television, despite the fact that it is more than adequate to home entertainment wants, is a side effect of our public investment in increasing IP profitability.

    Television is far from the only such example. Another excellent one is IP law enforcement. We have been investing a lot of effort on "fixing" IP law enforcement, which some would say was not broken. From the RIAA's lawyers and lobbying expenditures to ICE's budget, we spend a great deal of our national income on IP law enforcement.

    The increase in IP law enforcement naturally returns us to the beginning of this essay; increasing investment in IP profitability. That is true in the direct sense that our investment is resulting in the capture of more of the potential profit. It is also true -- in proportion to the corruptibility of our government -- in the indirect sense of creating new IP privileges and new potential profit.

  216. we broke it trying to fix it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the future was looking bright about 6-7 years ago. people were downloading tv and movies with bittorrent. a whisper escaped the din of the masses..."we want tv through the web so we pick and choose what to watch/pay for and when we watch it". Big-E Media heard this whisper and began their insidious plot. they convinced government to move broadcast tv spectrum and make it digital. then they convinced the consumers that they needed Hi-Def media, then a Hi-Def tv to watch it. all the while, increasing the bandwidth needed to transmit video.

  217. Re:The US subscription model is the most broken th by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    Too bad there's so many holes in it's content offerings.

    Plus there's the whole pricing problem. Much of the content is available only as a "purchase" that is often more expensive than what you can buy physical media for. It may not even be price competitive with cable.

    Plus you have the whole "streaming bandwidth" problem.

    You're probably far better off with a Tivo.

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  218. Cable sux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cable Companies are whats wrong with TV....

  219. Re:Telcos/Cable Companies Make TV Broken On Purpos by Tufriast · · Score: 1

    1) First off I'm not buying another damn box for a box. And no I'm not renting a box for a box either. I read plenty of books. Brandon Sanderson, William Gibson, RA Salvatore, Proust (way back in college), and even the late Anne McCaffrey sit on my shelf. Regardless, I don't watch a lot of TV. I read far more.

    2) The examples provided are about the shows I actually gave a damn to see. There are far more that have been cut short, and I'm not going to pull out a TV history encyclopedia to find out how many were cut in recent memory that were great shows. Judging by the flack I hear from coworkers and superiors, I'd say there were plenty of bullshit bad decisions.

    3) No, I don't think the television studios are to blame here. I believe a la carte is totally possible when I take telcos and totally cut their greedy, and monopolistic asses OUT of the picture. Give me your bandwidth and be gone. Don't give me the shit line about "we're not dumb pipes" defense. Everyone knows their not, but don't defend their abuse of a system that sucks to try to compete in. Do something honest and right for once and provide a service that actually serves. Not enslaves.

    4) Don't try and simplify the remote control, cable UI, and/or any smart/dumb television. They are piles of confusing shit any 4 year old needs to sit down and watch mom and dad use for a full 90-120 days before even feeling comfortable touching a button w/out daddy getting pissed. I've seen it.

    5) No, I don't need to buy shit. Telcos need to stop raping the country. We paid their asses for fibre to the curb, decent bandwidth, and a neutral internet. What do we got? A bullshit farce. This is just one more slap to the face. I don't even pirate shit and I still have these pathetic caps that make our country look like shit in the face of the likes of Ukraine and South Korea.

    6) iTunes is the way to go, and yeah, when Apple DOES indeed come out with an a la carte solution I'll be the first one on the bandwagon to say "Cancel your shit cable b/c this train is going to the moon and back." Will it kill jobs? Maybe. Will people value bandwidth more than cable? Yes. Will networks and telcos both get what's been coming for 30+ years? Yes. All I have to say is that payback is a bitch, and when the consumer pulls that plug - oh - I will savor it.

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  220. TV isn't "broken" but it's losing its audience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TV isn't broken, technically, in that it'll continue to work as it does now, and there's a generation that's fine with that. That is, you can pick from between a few brands' products and watch whatever they want to broadcast right now. And if you're over 40, that's probably just fine. :-) Heck, they still sell TV Guide, too!

    The problem is that the the new generation is trained by the internet to be able to watch what they want, when they want to watch it, from any source that they like. They can do this on a computer, but they can't do that on a TV. So traditional TV is doomed by that generational change, the same way stereos were doomed. That is, in the 00's, students stopped buying stereos for their dorm rooms, because computers with speakers and iPods filled the same need, but put the listener in control. The same thing is starting to happen with video.

    For example, despite(or perhaps because of) my working for a record label at the time, a decade ago I stopped buying CDs, and went all digital, because it was easier, cheaper, and more reliable (I make backups of digital media, but LPs and CDs can break). And a few years ago I stopped watching TV, turned off the TiVo, and only watch "TV" on the internet (web sites, Hulu, Netflix, downloads, etc.). The result is that I can watch whatever I want, on whatever device that I want, whenever I want. Sure, I had to pay for a home media server and broadband, Hulu and Netflix, but they cost much less than paying for "TV". And I replaced huge stacks of VHS tapes and DVDs with bits on the media server, and it's much easier to access the bits than dig around for tapes and disks.

    I say that TV is in transition in that the new viewers don't want to work the way traditional TV works, and nobody's really gotten a new design that works. It feels a bit like the early era of MP3 players, when all MP3 players were nearly identical boxes with buttons and a headphone jack, then the iPod and iTunes and the iTunes Store swooped in and made everyone realize a whole new way of getting and consuming music, focused on listeners' love of music. There are several companies trying to make TV better, but I don't think that they've gotten it quite right, because the fundamental metaphore for a TV is browsing across a limited selection of stuff, and the UI breaks down when confronted with the infinite collection of content online. It's hard to get it right, because to make the whole content ecosystem work you need to negotiate with a large number of parties (all of the content owners, rights holders, distributors, ISPs, CDNs, etc.), but it's already at the point where a digital TV (e.g. a Roku box) is better than broadcast TV most of the time.

    If TV doesn't evolve, it'll be bypassed by general purpose computers, just as the stereo was. And that's fine, too. The only real difference between the two is that the "new TV" is easier to use with a remote control from the sofa. But, to be honest, either one is fine with me; I'm geek enough to use a wireless keyboard and mouse, and my kids prefer that to a TV remote because it's easier to type searches.

    That pretty much sums it up - my 7 year old son's natural interface to "TV" is to search for what they want, then watch it. The whole idea of browsing is weirdly limiting to him, because it's based on the idea that the content to select from is limited and rigidly structured.

    I bet where we end up is that most people end up watching video on their computers, and "TVs" become like "stereos" an oddity that your parents buy.

  221. Cable subscriptions. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is what is broke with TV. . . Cable subscriptions and restrictions. Not having a per channel buy in option. not being easily allowed to view your paid for service from any location or device, that you are at/with. The future of TV is already known. It's not the box, or 3D effects. It's mobility. Some are working on it, but it's not there yet.

  222. Overscan, overscan...and OVERSCAN and others by mathew7 · · Score: 1

    Overscan is mostly visible on the inputs (from PC), but it is present also on cable and air broadcasts.
    1. 2. 3. Broken: FullHD 1920x1080 screen, FullHD 1920x1080 signal, and still the TV's SW will "zoom in" (to remove 5-10% of the margins). WHY???? Why 1 pixel from source signal is different than TV pixel? I understand that on 480i and 576i "offscreen" space was used for syncronisation (deployed in early 1900s), but 720p and 1080p were deployed when TV's and HD sources (even converters) had enough processing power to eliminate it. For 1$/unit?
    You will never see a FullHD movie as crisp as it can be until overscan is eliminated.

    4. Oh...and why do we have 1360x768 (or 1366x768) panels instead of 1280x720.....and whoever says "Windows", I'll shoot them (in reference to 2nd XP standard resolution: 1024x768).

    5. Advertising is gone too far: when a 1h30m movie is scheduled for 2h30m. 1 minute of advertising is probably acceptable by anyone. Maybe even 2 (the money really comes from somewhere)....but having 10 minutes of advertising after 20-30mins of the "content" (movie or show).....I wonder why I even watch it.....but now we have DVRs, so I do have around 30s of advertising at high speeds....if I don't watch live.

  223. Really hate that crowd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really hate the crowd of people screaming "don't fix what isn't broken". Those people have absolutely no sense of progress or advancement, and rarely even have a clue what is and is not broken.

    So what's broken about TV?
    Remote Control - I've yet to find a cable box I could control through a web interface, with a modern phone/tablet, or in any other way except through a controller which does little more than waste batteries 90% of the time.
    DVR - this is the most retarded invention ever, obsolete from day one. Majority of households have computers, most people are barely putting a dent in their computer's storage capacity. DVR boxes have assisted piracy more than hindered it, so why can't we just plug that damn thing into a PC and record with our favorite video program and codecs?
    Channels - these were good in the early days, now however we an abundance of fast processors. I should be able to just pick a genre and have it randomly select shows. I should be able to blacklist shows I don't want to watch. It should even keep track of what I watched so that it shows me episodes sequentially, without me having to pick the sequence from a list.

    Seriously the biggest flaw in modern TV is the lack of integration with desktop computers.

  224. Television is too linear by pclminion · · Score: 1

    TV is too much of a linear experience. You sit down, show plays beginning to end, and you watch it. You can't interact with the content. A lot of people will say "So what." These people are old. They'll die eventually. The younger people who remain are going to want more from the experience. My four year old almost never watches TV, but he uses the Internet every day for fifteen minutes or so. The times when he does watch TV, he is confused why it seems like such an inert experience. He wants to make it "do something" and is frustrated by the fact that it just sits there and plays.

  225. Solved the TV Problem Already by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 2

    What's broken?!?! Not enough quality content, too many commercials, not playing when I am ready to watch, hardware nightmare of too many remotes and input modes (TV, Cablebox, DVR, DVD/Bluray, Stereo, game console, Rovio, etc.). HDMI blocking digital content with DRM methods. DVR recording (former TiVo owner) doesn't cut it. I cancelled my cable TV last year and haven't looked back.

    Solved the TV problem already. Oh, I don't actually watch Live TV any more. I watch TV Shows and Movies minus commercials, advertisements, trailers you can't skip through, etc. I don't watch the news, I don't watch sports, I don't watch reruns, unless I really want to. I can get everything I care about online within an hour of broadcast, dumped to a small household SAN. I just input what I want to capture and automated systems retrieve it for me. The content is out there floating around the Interwebs free for the taking. I stream locally over my own private network to the multitude of televisions and iPads in my home. I use my iPhone as a remote control for the TV's. I can pause a show in one room and resume it in another. I can also stream web shows like Revision3, YouTube, Vimeo, etc. Pipe my music through the same system and family photos / videos on the TV. I can capture funny web clips using a browser and view them on the TV later. I have one remote control per room. It's so dang easy to use, my wife understands it! I even have her shows available.

    You're a bunch of Geeks, figure it out. The tools are all there for the taking, I just happened to find the right combination of existing systems that work well together. It is like one big happy Unix command prompt, piping content metadata from one system to another. But like Fight Club you don't talk about this...

    I would gladly pay for an on demand subscription based system where I specifically choose the shows I want. I would even consider watching advertisements. But I want the freedom to watch what I want when I want. I want to start up a show mid-season two or three and get all the back episodes without having to wait months or years for the show to hit DVD. But that is not what I am offered. I have to choose a package that gets ridiculously expensive and includes boat loads of channels and content I do not want. Then shows get blacked out for political station to station infighting, etc. The networks stream shows but it sucks with the ads and the Flash interface is crap. You can't pickup where you left off. You can't send the content to a TV. Another issue is they don't offer all the back episodes only a handful of episodes. So how am I to find out about a show late and get caught up? The Season DVD's won't ship until the season ends.

    I believe that Apple is the only one to solve this problem. They haven't done it with iTunes TV shows yet, still too expensive. It's like buying season box sets at a slight discount. I don't need to "own" the shows, but I do want to stream them whenever I want. I think iCloud is going to make that happen. I would plunk down the dough if Apple produced a full solution. I am already using several Apple systems in my architecture of the ultimate Internet DVR. I want to go legit, but because of my skills and knowledge I found the solution, it's just not for everyone. It's highly automated and works 99% of the time. I come home and I've got new stuff to watch. It was not easy to setup and get it all working but once I did, it's like an appliance. Apple could deliver a similar mechanism and rescue the dying TV business in the process. The one area this breaks down is live sports games of which I am not a fan. But it's a very important category to millions of fans. MLB/NHL functionality on AppleTV2 is darn close. But it's still restricted to blackouts, etc. Why not deliver the ultimate viewing experience. Watch the game and switch from stupid over the air commentary to technical feeds on a side bar. Run your own instant replays and camera angles, etc. It could be so very awesome! Build in

  226. being able to buy the cable box / theme packs by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Like the in Canadian system that let you buy the cable box with no per box outlet / mirroring fees.

    also we should have more choice over what channels you want to have as part of your package.

  227. Shut up, guys! We have something good going on! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, are you not able to watch the programs you want, the way you want to? Don't you have a good system in place (probably including lots of storage, a nice monitor, and extensive torrent usage)? When was the last time you had to watch an ad? I get that this is an everyday occurence for regular folks, but we nerds are actually having the time of our lifes when you stop to think about it. Seriously, I don't even have a TV or cable but I download all the programs I want to watch, without ads, in fantastic quality, and I watch them when and where and how I want. Now I realize that we are profitting off of the idiots who watch ads and jersey shore or whatever but that is fine with me, because they have it coming. You guys need to shut up and let things continue to work as they are now. No amount of change will ever make TV better for us than what it already is.

  228. Digital TV is completely broken. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If...could...strong....gital signal that worked...a damn...ould....perfect.

  229. Interface by RetailResTech · · Score: 1

    I think we need to get rid of the remote. It's an old technology that needs to go the way of VHS. Universal remotes haven't caught on (at best they reduce the remotes down to one), and even the idea of a smart phone app for replacing remote seems out of date. There should be a new interface for 'surfing' as well as programming PVR/DVRs. This needs to be fixed since we're seeing more of the streaming options becoming more integrated into TVs nowadays. Media interfaces like AppleTV and BoxeeBox are great, but again they add another remote to the situation. Solutions like modding xBox's Kinect may be the next step. having a gesture controlled TV may be the next innovation. I honestly think the best interface would be a voice system like Siri. Something that might be able to integrate computer systems, handheld devices, as well as other electronics. However, I wonder how far off we are from that?

  230. switched video channels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the past few weeks Comcast has been putting the "You're not doing this right." messages on some channels on my TV. It looked like it might be merely "going digital", but last week I did a rescan on a digital TV, and didn't find the channels that warn.

    Cable providers are running out of bandwidth so they are starting to use switched video channels that aren't sent until the cable box requests them. Those won't work even with a TV that supports digital cable (QAM). You will need a cable box or a TV / tuner box that supports switched video and the cable company will provide a "tuning adapter" for it that communicates via an USB port with your device.

    Since this allows them to see exactly what you're watching or recording, I wouldn't be surprised to see more of switched video in the future.

  231. TV = Traditional cable by derfla8 · · Score: 2

    I cancelled my cable subscription 10 years ago, and have never reconsidered. The TV I own, is really just a big monitor for displaying content from my computer and AppleTV box (the latter being quite rare too.) The cable subscription model is what is broken because at least in Canada:
    1 - I would have to pay for basic content that I do not want
    2 - Most premium channels are only available as a subscription bundled with other channels I don't want
    3 - There are really only three or so shows per season I actually have time to watch. Why do I have to pay for the rest of the garbage?
    4 - I want to pay for the content. I don't want the advertisements, or the restrictions. I would rather and do actually pay for the DVD box set or even the iTunes subscription to content.
    5 - I want my money to go to those who produced and made the show, I don't care about the distribution system. I don't care about the broadcaster or the cable company. Why anyone would want any dollar to go to them beats the hell out of me.

    I love watching movies by the way and have no problems paying for the experience. I also stopped going to movies, because the theatre experience sucks. I didn't pay a sizeable sum to be: ripped off for crappy food/beverages, to watch 30 minutes of advertisements, to be reminded again and again about anti-piracy.

    Could corporations stop screwing their customers?

  232. I haven't seen what's on TV... recently. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stopped watching like a decade ago, haven't looked back. As a geek and engineer, I have far better things to do with my time. So I don't really feel like improving the experience for others, either.

  233. It's all arse backwards by chilvence · · Score: 1

    I actually think using advertising to fund television is a horribly dishonest way of doing it. I don't give two shits about car insurance or toothpaste or ready brek, and the more I hear about any of it, the more I actually resent the lot of it. How is that supposed to benefit a product?

    There is also the problem of shows that I might actually have an interest in being thrown under the bus by some self important company exec instead of being given a fair chance. Futurama for example. It stitches me up, then it gets taken outside and shot. Somehow, lucky enough to cheat death, but that is the exception rather than the rule.

    This is supposed to be the social networking era, where is my ability to cut out the useless middlemen and throw my money straight at the actual producers of film/television projects? If there was more direct connection between the audience and the creator, then I bet all of this god awful insipid reality shite - designed cheaply as possible purely to fill an arbitrary weekly schedule - I bet it would wither on the branch within a week. I don't need 500 channels of smug pricks going 'I'm on telly!' - they aren't worth the time I spend scratching my bollocks!

    1. Re:It's all arse backwards by vlm · · Score: 1

      This is supposed to be the social networking era, where is my ability to cut out the useless middlemen and throw my money straight at the actual producers of film/television projects?

      Google a guy named "Jason Scott" (his screen name) and "The BBS Documentary" and "Get Lamp" and some upcoming documentaries like "6502" and two others. If you've been to a hacker con you've probably had a chance to meet him, I can personally verify in real life he is pretty much like he is in movies and online.

      I've sent him mid to high three digits of $ over the past decade or so, including a substantial donation to "6502" which is enough to get my name in the credits as a financial backer or whatever he's calling it. I think I am getting my monies worth because I am a rabid fan. I don't think it unusual or weird because there are guys who spend five digits on star wars products; those guys are unusual or weird.

      This kind of stuff is out there... Maybe not common, but out there.

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
  234. The Senselessness of Broadcast HD by Glasswire · · Score: 1

    One of the silliest ideas to come around in the last few years is broadcast HD. The intersection set between people who are dependent on broadcast TV (vs cable/telco or other wired provider) AND those who care about HD is practically NIL.
    Smartest thing to do is to leave those few users who are dependent on plain old fashioned low-def broadcast TV alone and not make them buy or use converter boxes they don't want and leave that old VHF and UHF spectrum alone. AND free up the HD broadcast spectrum (take it back from the networks) which hardly anyone is consuming and make it available for some real useful purpose.
    What SHOULD happen is wireless spectrum should only be used for mobile applications. Fixed sites should use cabled connections.

  235. Not the content by lymond01 · · Score: 2

    It's not the content that's the problem, it's how it's delivered and the cost for that delivery. I'm not happy to watch just anything. I want football on Sundays, tennis during the Opens, Daily Show and Colbert, and like two other TV shows. And someone thought that was worth $700/year and I can only watch the shows when someone else tells me to. Unless I use the DVR, which is another $60/year. And there are times where I can't watch the TV shows AT ALL because they aren't available anywhere but a P2P network.

    Fix this.

  236. What is wrong with TVs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Easy, the need for an external tuner for virtually any service you get, I haven't watched TV in over a year and if I did, I sure as hell am not paying extra for each TV in my house for a tuner box to get all the channels.

    Reminds of when I was young and all the TVs only went up to about 32 channels, then we got boxes that allowed us to go up to 72 channels, then when our TVs allowed us to reach that high without the turner boxes, the cable companies put up a fuss cause they couldn't triple charge you if you had 3 TVs like they were trying to do and are trying to do again now.

    Have TVs that have built in tuners for the cable and satellite companies than can be software upgradeable and that would fix 1 BIG fuss I have with them,make sure to also include access to the online services such as Hulu, Netflix, Youtube and the ability to add new services later.

    Now content....... There is so much broken about that we would need a lot more space than I would like to fill. Nowadays the only shows I watch is Supernatural online and the occasional show on the history or discovery channel if it is one where I go, most of the time, it is at most, background noise to me. If I have nothing to do, I will start doing exercises and go jogging before I turn the boob-tube on now.

  237. The mobile phone industry wasn't broken either!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The mobile phone industry wasn't broken either!!

  238. Normal curve, IQ and mass entertainment by ignavus · · Score: 1

    34% of the population has an IQ between 85 and 100 - and most people (68%) have an IQ between 85 and 115.
    Just over 2% of the population has an IQ over 130.

    So TV caters for the IQ 85-115 crowd and not for the IQ 130+ crowd ... and only occasionally for the IQ 115+ crowd (16% of population).

    Smart people are a minority. TV is not "dumbed down", it is just catering to the average, that is, to the largest audience. Like most people who belong to niche groups, you have to find your own entertainment.

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    I am anarch of all I survey.
  239. TV is beyond being broken by rossz · · Score: 2

    Jersey Show is still on the air and Firefly was canceled in the middle of the first season.

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  240. TV is Irritating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personally I gave up on both broadcast TV and cable. I found that the commercials were irritating and political commercials even more so. The news programs all just seem to echo the content available through the AP feed as the "reporters" we have today on TV cannot even do the basic job of reporting.

    Whenever I have actually started to enjoy a TV series the folks who do the programming inevitably drop it, so they've killed my motivation to even give them a modicum of my loyalty. And, if I'm just a little patient I can wait for a show to come out on DVD and rent it through Netflix, and if I'm not so patient I can buy a season on iTunes and watch it on my AppleTV.

    My stress level dropped significantly after turning off commercial television and watching things on my own schedule. My TV has really become just a glorified monitor for my media devices and I'm OK with that. And, there's this fascinating media out there called "books" which has much deeper plot lines and more involved stories than anything I've ever seen on the TV.

  241. For starters, it's a slideshow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As anyone who grew up in the digital age will tell you, the main problem with TV as a technology is the framerate. Our eyes have adjusted to detecting framerates far beyond what our parents or grandparents would have considered a 'moving' image. This is probably largely to do with the incredibly fine timing and prediction needed to play modern computer games.

    I don't really care about the remotes, the shows that are on, what inputs I have, or anything like that. I just want to fucking see some broadcasts that appear to be moving to MY EYES.

  242. Don't do it! by hwk_br · · Score: 1

    Or the zombies wake up and eat your brain too!

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  243. Just moved, and no cable by Patchw0rk+F0g · · Score: 1

    How is it we've gotten so sucked into (y)our cable connections? I'll admit: I'm very faithful to my net stuff, but for cable? PSHAW!

    Let's lighten things up, people. I read books, do crosswords, and look at articles on-line. Where's the stuff of naturalism on the web????!!!!!! =)

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    When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. ~~ Hunter S. Thompson
  244. We have those at the Internet by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

    In the end, it was because there were ONLY 800 channels (ok, I've never had more than 150 available). It seems that we need at least some milions of channels for that.

  245. Spingsteen said it best... by jonwil · · Score: 1

    "There's 57 Channels and Nothing on"
    The problems I have with TV as an Australian:
    1.All the good Australian shows get canceled (or get moved around so much they may as well have been canceled)
    2.All the good foreign shows get taken off (or get moved around so much they may as well have been taken off)
    3.Where there are good things on, they end up being on the same night (like having ST:TNG reruns on one channel and CSI:NY on another channel on the same night) and then there are nights with nothing at all to watch.
    4.It can be months after a show airs overseas before a local network starts airing it. Sometimes a local network will "fast-track" a show but then they will skip a week or more and get out of sync because of "summer non-ratings period", "easter non-ratings period", "school holidays", sport or some other big event (on the same channel or on another channel) or any number of other reasons.
    5.The same garbage gets repeated over and over again whilst they never even think of showing any of the GOOD shows from the archives (how many times do we need to see the same damn episode of The Flintstones or I Dream Of Jeanie or The Brady Bunch or The Love Boat or Everybody Loves Raymond?)
    Although some of that may have to do with the fact that a lot of the good shows cant be shown in those time-slots due to classifications (e.g. M rated shows cant be shown in those slots)

  246. Stuff gets lost by SEWilco · · Score: 1

    What needs fixing is that I have 5,000 channels but my DVR only can remember 50 shows to record. Engineers ain't smart enough yet.

  247. There is a lot wrong with TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I first heard that Steve Jobs wanted to "fix" TV I thought, he's crazy.. it's not broken. Then I started to think about it, and really, it IS broken in many fundamental ways:

    1. Programming comes in packages, with 1 or 2 good channels bundled with dozens of channels that exist only to sell stuff. It should be ala-carte.
    2. You need to pay for both Internet service and TV service. They are both just providing digital data, there is no good reason they should be separate.
    3. Channel lineups differ from place-to-place, even across the street with different providers. Why isn't HBO always channel 22, or 5, or 501, etc? This particularly bothers me because I travel, and when I do, I have no idea what I'm watching.
    4. Related to the above, why doesn't every TV service have an interactive guide? And when they do, why do all of the guides suck so badly? Apple (hell, any half-blind half-wit) could do better than the guides on current set-tops. Especially bad: DVR UIs.
    5. ..And why are they set-tops? I recently bought a beautiful svelte TV but have to use an ugly set-top to watch any programming on it.
    6. My new TV now has internet connectivity and even an app store. But the app store (while very nice) pales in comparison to Apple's.
    7. I have media content on my computer, and on my DVR, and in the cloud, but these don't come together smoothly. When I am not at home, I lose access to the first two.

    This is just what I thought of over the course of about 15 minutes of thinking. I feel like there is probably a lot more that can be improved as well.

  248. Subtly Broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TV isn't broken the same way a window gets broken, but it is broken the same way IE3 was broken, or the way a steam-powered car would be broken, or the way someone in a coma is broken. All the pieces are still there and functioning, but they're on life support, and not necessarily equipped to stand up and move around on their own power. At this point, it's all life support.

    The Internet has channel surfing in the form of things like reddit, stumbleupon, and even slashdot, which is the internet's equivalent of the geek channel. Lots of interesting things clustered around a common theme. But there are some serious advantages that TV is missing. The way we find new channels to surf has experience a sea change.

    Youtube is like the DirecTV bluescreen, except that it's ALWAYS 7:30, and my favorite show is ALWAYS just about to start. The commercials aren't loud. And they take me right to the place I can buy whatever's being advertised without even shifting my posture. Content consumers know that, and so do retailers.

    Formats are constricted on TV. But a movie on the internet can be 6 minutes, or 3 hours uninterrupted. Content can just as easily be interactive or passive, a serial show, a movie, a short film, a music video, or even just the music. Without too much fuss, I can move content I want to re-experience over to a portable device such as a laptop or iPod to experience later, again and again.

    And just as McDonald's won with consistency more than it did with quality, the internet is VERY consistent whether I'm at home, on my phone, or at Grandma's house across the country. I don't share something with a friend that they missed last night at 7:30. I share something that they can enjoy on their phone, or pull up when they get home, or sitting in Starbucks.

    And then there's the long tail. My tastes are VERY eclectic and VERY geeky. And not in a hipster kind of way, but in a single-season animated TV show from the 70's kind of way. I may or may not be able to find it on the internet, but the odds of it being shown on TV at a time that I'm available to see it scrolling by? Approaching zero. The internet courts the strange, the eclectic, the unpopular, and the unbroadcastable. It doesn't have to be sellable for some investor to pick up. And because entire datasets of works are available (i.e. every episode from Seasons 1-3), continuity becomes less important than good entertainment. There's no tragedy of forgetting to record episode 5.

    Unfortunately, TV is trying harder than ever to hold on to it's no-longer-relevant business model, and that's the most broken part of it all. Now, when content can be delivered digitally, and people would tolerate in-show advertising and short shows, TV is still wrapped up in the 30-minute slot mindset. Now, TV is becoming eclectic, and I suspect will soon go the way of VHS. It's already happening, and my kids already think it's silly that a couple of their cartoons only come on at a certain time.

  249. What's broken about tv? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact that it takes up so much spectrum that could be used for better technologies, that's what. Broadcast TV sucks and cable, etc isn't much better. Thankfully, I don't have to own one or rather allow one to own me.

  250. Why should I? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why should I watch someone else doing something on TV when I can play a computer game and control the story? This is why TV has bit the dust for me- lack of interactivity. These days I only watch it when I am sick and can't get up the energy to do something else. I'd rather read and learn something, do something useful or play computer games for relaxation. No adds, no crap that I don't want to watch- I can't even stand the "news" these days because it is so full of useless information I fail to understand how it can still go by that name.

    Clue to broadcast media: Just like US of A, your days of supremacy are over. Get used to it.

  251. Technical advantages by Casandro · · Score: 1

    TV does have a couple of technical advantages. First of all it's completely DRM free. You can simply have your DVB-S card and record whatever you like, you have access to the EPG so you can use it like a "torrent". Then it doesn't have as many boundaries as "legal" Internet distribution. I can easily watch the BBC over satellite, but I cannot access their iPlayer.

    There's also one big difference in financing. TV is financed like a public good, like roads. That's why piracy doesn't matter as we all payed for it anyhow.

  252. When Cable TV first appeared the main benefit was? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When cable TV first appears circa 1970? The cable TV industry answer to the question: why would I pay for something I can get for free off the air?

    The answer: Because we get out money from customers like you who watch the shows, Cable TV does not commercials.
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    If you were born after that, I swear I am telling the truth.

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  253. Is this a joke? by mldi · · Score: 1

    It's broken because last year I was spending over $90/month for all of a few channels... and then only a few programs on those channels. Why on earth would I do that? It's like paying for a whole cupcake when all you do is eat the sprinkles. And an overpriced cupcake at that!

    I don't give a shit who said "TV is a passive experience", because that's not the way many of us want it to be 100% of the time. I want content I pay for. I want to be able to look for it in an engaging way without channel surfing. And, the technology has come to a point where we are able to get the content on the spot without futzing around with crappy DVRs. It opens up new worlds and possibilities. Suddenly, content publishers don't need (or they shouldn't anyway) extensive contracts and agreements with broadcasters just to get their stuff on the air. Suddenly, publishers can be in more control and get a bigger cut... and probably with less ads. Everybody wins. Maybe this way we'll get something worth watching instead of Ghost Hunters 47, season 15 of survivor, or the next "reality" TV show following the latest waste of space that calls themselves a celebrity.

    My question is: what the hell isn't wrong with TV as it is now?

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  254. MY tv IS broken by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

    Makes sparks and everything. Ik kind of miss it as a virtual fireplace...

  255. TV works great by kikito · · Score: 1

    It keeps people stupid, and makes them want to buy stuff.

  256. Fast zapping to wade through the crap by Gunstick · · Score: 1

    I want faster zapping.
    E.g. with dual tuners.
    I usually push P+ when I want to see something else.
    So put 2 tuners in, the inactive one always tunes to the next channel.
    Or even 3 tuners, if I decide to backtrack.

    And also an intelligent zap, if there are ads on the next channel, skip it

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  257. What's wrong? I'll tell you what's wrong! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's wrong with TV?

    1. There's crap on most of the time.

    2. I can't choose what I pay for (ala cart programming).

    3. The cable company digital boxes and DVRs are crap and they won't fix them.

    4. Time Warner Cable - useless idiots.

  258. Everything is broken about Tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is why I've thrown mine into the trash 10 years ago and never looked back.

  259. TV is as broken as... by tenco · · Score: 1

    ... a garbage can. It fulfills it's role: containing garbage.

  260. This is the wrong question to be asking by Targon · · Score: 2

    When "good enough" becomes a target, you get a major reduction in innovation and improvement. This is what happened with the auto industry, and it took a financial crisis to change things. The big question is why you don't want to see improvements to the technology, rather than asking how TV can be improved.

    So, higher refresh rates...for a 1920x1080 display, you really do not NEED 240Hz, but if you think about it, if 240Hz were the norm, then that would enable higher resolution displays, which SHOULD be the goal of manufacturers. When computer displays for the most part are limited to 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 due to trying to share technology with the TV industry, that is where we should ALL be asking for better and better TV technology.

    Many people I know never saw a "need" for stereo TV back when that first started showing up, and many people today don't see a need for surround sound, even when it DOES enhance the experience. Going 3D, in terms of having objects that pop out of the screen at viewers is useless, but well implemented 3D is more about depth of field, and giving that sense that what you are seeing has depth. Or even the move from regular resolution to HD, many initially didn't pay attention to how much better things look on a HD display compared to the older SD displays, but now, they would never want to go back.

    Content is content, and that is not where you see change. Going from mono to stereo to surround sound may not have been NECESSARY, but it did improve the experience, and isn't THAT what it should all be about? Progress...why is that so horrible? For computers, we are generally happy that computers have gotten more powerful and allow for doing more things at home today than professional level computers could hope to do back in the early to mid 1990s, yet the only people who complain are those who don't like the idea of progress, or that it makes it so buying something new is a positive experience, rather than just throwing money away to get something that is in better condition, but is no better than what they had previously.

    I have a general rule about purchases, and that is that expensive purchases SHOULD give you the sense that not only are you getting a refresh of what you had before, but the new item should be BETTER than the old. From cell phones to computers, or even to cars, wouldn't you feel you wasted your money if you are buying something, and there has been NO improvement? For televisions, if you spend $1200 today, and you spent $1200 four or five years ago, wouldn't you expect the new one to be better for the same price? Larger, or better quality, or more features, or better refresh rate, you want more for your money, because you expect there to have been progress.

    In general, what is broken about TV is how the networks are generally aiming for the lowest common denominator, and are afraid to upset the "delicate sensibilities" of the people in the midwest of the USA. We should see a lot more programming that is aimed at adults, even without needing "adult content" to get there. People use profanity in the real world, it is all around us, yet TV programming does not properly reflect this. You want to know why people are drawn to the premium channels, it is because the original programming THERE has not been toned down.

  261. MISSING the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It isn't that TV is broken and needs to be fixed. The issue is that mainstream TV lags innovation and when you stop innovating you allow other companies/vendors/business models to gain traction in the market place. This is clearly what happened with Music.

    IF the Networks, MSOs, etc. don't innovate than the GEEKS found else where will...

  262. Stupid idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So... Idiots are stupid?

  263. i have been saying this by luther349 · · Score: 0

    i have been saying this for a long time ago with this whole dtv scam to get people to buy new tvs. it was never broken.

  264. TV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i dont watch tv, i just steal the shows i like from the internet...honestly as long as there's people dumb enough to actually watch tv and not just steal stuff im fine...

  265. Here's what's broken... by sonpal · · Score: 1

    ... the business model where I am the product to be sold to advertisers. I prefer a business model where I am a customer of the content. -- Hiten

  266. They cant get the aspect ratio right for a start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They cant get the aspect ratios right for a start.

    How often have you seen them broadcasting with both letterbox AND pillarbox... and the screen is STILL squished in one direction or another.

    Are aspect ratios really that hard to figure out?

  267. TV aint broken... by LoRdTAW · · Score: 1

    The delivery is.

    I DVR everything now, I don't even bother with on demand (don't get me started with FOX's bullshit policy of disabling fast forward on their on demand.). There are PLENTY of watchable shows on TV. The problem is they are scattered about on different channels and shoved between drivel. The educational networks are as far from educational as possible and plenty of sitcoms aren't worth the digital tape they are recorded on.

    But I am not one of the TV is for the mentally incapacitated. On the contrary, after a day of engineering work as well as having hobbies such as FPGA design, embedded hacking (arduino/mbed-ARM) antique semi truck and machinery restoration; its good to just plop down and numb your mind for a few hours before bed. I watch a wide variety of programming even some "kids" shows on cartoon network (adventure time, regular show and the new thunder cats) as well as some of the remaining interesting stuff on the "educational" channels and action/adventure like Dr. Who and Burn Notice.

    I am satisfied with the shows on TV. There is plenty to watch but no perfect way to watch it when I want. DVR's are the key to my ability to watch cable TV, if they didn't exist or were banned I would drop cable in a heart beat. I can come home after a days work, putter around and be guaranteed I have recorded a few hours worth of stuff to watch. But they leave some thing to be desired and some of their functionality is pretty shitty.

    I recently moved to an apartment in a friends house he just bought. He had FiOS installed and I got a DVR. Previously I had Time Warner Cable and I liked their DVR but it had some limitations that I hated. Now, the FiOS DVR makes the Time Warner DVR look like alien technology. The Fios DVR has two major flaws that make it far inferior to the TW DVR:
    Lets say you pause a show to use the toilet or grab a snack. You let 5-10 minutes pass and then un-pause the show. You are enjoying it then suddenly it cuts to the next show and your now watching real time. You try to rewind to actually finish the show but you cant, the hour long buffer is gone. WTF happened? It turns out that when the FiOS DVR is about to record a program on that channel you are watching, it just cuts to the recording wiping out the hour long buffer. TW allowed you to watch that hour buffer regardless of what was happening. If you were at the very tail of the buffer (1 hour delay) and it started recording, you didn't even know. If it is recording, you can rewind back into the buffer.
    The next major flaw is if a show in the buffer is past its time slot (eg the program you are watching aired at 5:00-5:30 PM yet it is now 5:40PM) you cant record it. Even if the full show is in the buffer, you can't record it because its a past show. Fuck that, TW lets you record any show in the buffer, even if its the last 10 seconds of the show, it saves it.

    The biggest annoyance is the eSATA port that sits unused on many DVR's. An HD DVR with 20 hours of HD recording is shit. Why not let me plug in a 1-3 TB disk and have 100+ hours of DVR? Granted, disk prices are through the roof but that will be fixed in the coming months. FiOS has its eSATA port enabled yet TW does not.

    And the last few gripes is the FiOS remote, a nicely laid out remote that only six or so fucking buttons light up. I memorized some of them by feel but I still sometimes hit the wrong button. TW has a fully illuminated remote that has a separate light button so I can light the key pad before pressing a button and then shut it off. It also has more functionality. The FiOS DVR VFD clock/channel display is brighter than the sun. I have to cover it at night because it lights the entire room up. I have enough electronics that I have to tape over lights, the cable box is yet another example of indoor light pollution. There is probably a dim option but I have yet to find it.

    So that sums it up: let me watch what I want when I want. DVR's have really bought that ability to the masses but they are far from perfect. And I am not go

  268. It's Broke by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1
    How can anyone say TV isn't broken? There's a HUGE market for helping people consume video content, on TVs, computers, and about everything else possible.

    TVs either need to go one of two ways:
    1. Become just a screen. An HDM input and maybe a bad speaker and thats it. Accept that TVs are bad at dealing with the content.
    2. Applize. Make the TV very good at handling the content. Finding it. Argregating it. Sharing it. Etc.

    I'm personally for #1. Lets stop kidding ourselves that the TV is ever going to be good at content. Give me a good screen with an HDMI in and I'll handle producing the content for it.

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  269. Here's why TV is broken by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    The user-interface sucks moose balls. Let's take DirecTV as an example. Surfing is tedious at best and I almost never attempt it because it takes so damn long for the system to lock into the next channel and display an image. Then there's the channel guide. There are over a hundred channels but I only regularly watch maybe a dozen of them. Why do I have to be bothered with the other crap that's on there? At last count, there were about 36 shopping channels, which is frightening in and of itself. I want to block all of these from ever showing up in the guide and not just grey them out. I want a really condensed guide for selected channels. Now, if you extend this to internet-based content, why not allow for creating a custom channel/guide entry that shows me what's on Hulu or something?

    From a technical point of view, the user-experience blows chunks. Here is where Apple can kick ass. When they apply their genius to a TV, that could be really excellent.

    As far as content goes, the only way to get better content and more of it is to do away with residuals. Non-reality-TV shows are expensive to produce and license because of residuals. Sure, nice work if you can get it but broadcasters can't afford it. There would also be an added benefit to getting rid of royalties and that is you'd dramatically reduce the number of filthy-stinking-rich, full-of-themselves, self-righteous, ignoramus actors/producers/writers/directors.

  270. I am not sure I agree with your list by Marrow · · Score: 1

    How many of those shows would you buy the DVDs for so you could watch them whenever you want. They may have shown brightly compared to the other shows that were on, but watch them now. Its painful.

  271. we're ok with flipping thru channels? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who says I'm ok wasting my time flipping thru channels because there is nothing but crap on? Wow wonder who wrote this article? TV exec maybe?
    We don't need to fix anything, everything is just fine , nothing to see here, we like stale, boring, repetitive story lines.
    I mean we certainly need some more CSI shows, or another cop show , ya that's just what we need another cop show.
    We like lame, we like useless, we like mediocrity, we are the sheep

  272. Here's a list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - Too many ads during breaks
    - Too many ad breaks
    - Too much marketing during shows
    - Scheduled shows instead of on-demand
    - Shows that change time slots frequently
    - Set top box interfaces
    - Channel packages
    - International programming very minute and not very broad-reaching

  273. It's about selling TVs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The past few years have been a boom market, everyone buying HDTV models even through economic downturn. The consumer electronics industry can't afford to take 5 years off until larger volumes of TV's fail and must be replaced. The new features like 3D and embedded time-shifting are only a means of selling the latest/greatest to the people who always manage to own whatever costs the most.

  274. Re:The US subscription model is the most broken th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not a fanboi, bu tno apple didn't , itunes is the worst program ever created. It will nto moitor the folder you wanted, when you try to add a folder of file, it might do it, it might not. No error , love how we keep saying the iphone is a great thing when syncing it or an ipad can be the most frustrating experience. And ipads, what a great thing to make for the computer illiterate. Hey I can sync my ipad up with your computer, what is this warning, hey where's all my stuff go?
    Imac, the TV for the computer illiterate.

  275. Yeah but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw this ad for a Google TV. It had a karaoke machine built in. Even if it was them just singing to karaoke videos on YouTube, that has to be worth SOMETHING :)

  276. But hey... by rtobyr · · Score: 1

    It has a karaoke machine in there. I saw it on a commercial. They may have been singing to karaoke videos on YouTube, but goddam! Having a karaoke machine in there has to be worth something ;-)

  277. Percentages and separate rooms by tepples · · Score: 1

    Based on my understanding of the legal notices on Pizza Hut's menu, restaurants In Indiana must not only sell food but also sell at least a certain substantial percentage of food in order to allow minors onto the property. I also remember reading something in the Indiana Code about restaurants that serve hard liquor needing a second dining room separate from the room with the bar. A few establishments that I might characterize as restaurants are too small and/or do not sell enough food to qualify and thus have the 21 to enter sticker on the door.

    1. Re:Percentages and separate rooms by apdyck · · Score: 1

      Things like that make me happy to live in Canada! When I was in High School it was normal to take a lunch at a local pub. There was even one microbrewery that was popular among the school kids. Of course, we couldn't (legally) order beer, so we stuck to the menu and ignored the drinks. Pubs usually have great food, and they are often relatively inexpensive since they make their money off of drinks.

      That being said, the original point was regarding sporting events. I would also gladly pay to view live sporting events. I purchase the MLB GameDay audio package every year to listen to baseball, and I have considered paying for hockey broadcasts as well. Fortunately here in Canada we can see hockey on broadcast television (still an analog signal too) every Saturday night anywhere in the country. Of course, if you aren't a fan of the locally broadcast team you might be in a bit of a pickle, but I'm a Leafs fan and they always get the most airtime since they have the largest fanbase in the country.

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  278. TV's Problem is Content by stevenddeacon · · Score: 1

    TV's problem is content. Not high-definition TV or 3D TV technology. Content is going to drive HDTV and 3D technologies. Entertainment, news and video gaming are only the tip of the content iceberg. Information and educational content will now have the technologies they need to provide rich and mind expanding experiences to the consumer. Providing a wealth of higher education and information content will revolutionize education, arts and crafts, technology, engineering, health care, manufacturing, construction, transportation, career training, historical reference, skill set training, and various services for our ever growing technological needs.

  279. Television isn't broken? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CNN says Television isn't broken, but to see CNN you have to be a Cable subscriber. Cable charges you so you can spend 1/3 of your time watching commercials. There is something seriously wrong with the business model. The channels should be paying the cable providers for exposure and getting their revenue from the adds. The cable companies should be charging viewers for infrastructure only.

    To this point, I have been able to resist paying what I consider exorbitant amounts of money to watch commercials. Given the current rate structure of the cable plans, I don't think I should have to watch more than 5 minutes of commercials per hour. 20 minutes +/- of commercials per hour is much more than I am willing to pay for a television show that is of low quality, and has no real entertainment or informational value.