In case you missed it the first time, here it is again for Reference
Putting faith in commercial entities, and backing their initiatives without regard to its license could be the end of our community. As Petrely so clearly stated, The GNU/Linux community has no control of how.NET is implemented, and that leaves us in a vulnerable position.
I for one don't really care if Ximian does well in the market place. If their stuff works with M$, and plays well, and they enjoy commercial sucess, good for them. Just don't let their commercial concerns taint the GPL'dness of the product. As long what they produce is GPL'd, we are safe. The moment that we become dependent on software with restrictive licensing is the moment that this whole party goes down the toilet.
This article is a kind of validation of all the fears, rumors, and suppositions collectively posted on this site. I love this one:
"The Internet is an important cultural
phenomenon, but that doesn't excuse its failure to
comply with basic economic laws," said Thomas
Nolle, a New Jersey telecommunications
consultant. "The problem is that it was devised by
a bunch of hippie anarchists who didn't have a
strong profit motive. But this is a business,
not a government-sponsored network."
No, Tommy boy, this is the internet. Who's economic laws are you comparing it to? You run your business as you like. We'll keep doing our own thing.:-)
I look at the apologists and execs for the dot bomb companies and wonder how they ever got hired in the first case. They don't even understand their own medium. I see all sorts of companies doing well over the internet... I can think of any number of pron sites.:-)
I see the reliability problem with the local telco's, who ironicly are credited with the five nines reliability of past. These guys, with their iron grip over the last mile, are the one's that need to be killed twice and cremated.
Oh yeah, like they are going to make this sound downloadable from the internet? In an non-SDMI (or something else ridiculous) format? Then where do their profits go?
It will be interesting how you can lock up the rights on a sound!!! Just ask the RIAA how that's been going.
>Microsoft's trying to get a foot in the Open Source Market to gain control as they always do.
Indeedly oh, neighbor.
Here's how it works:
MS: You need a revenue model? Want to do.NET?
Ximian: Sure! We are going out of business without some VC $$$.
MS: O.K., but here' the catch. Most of what you produce has to be BSD license. The rest is closed source.
Ximian: We are desperate, so ok.
MS: (To themseslves, with a Snicker) We just embraced and extended the Open Source movement on the cheap. They do free development and we can ultimately control their compatibility with us.
Ximian: (To themseslves, with a relief) We can stay in business for another xx months.
MS: (To DOJ) See, you don't need to regulate.NET. We can play nice.
Slashdot: Cool, we have.NET too. We'r so 7337!!!
Our desire to have Linux see commercial sucess could be our undoing. Putting compatibility with MS products in the hands of a company, without it being licensed under the GPL, is suicide. MS can destroy a commercial venture at will. It's the GPL that they can never have. Without the protection of the GPL, GNU/Linux would be dead meat, yesterday's news.
Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
This writeup seems like a bit of egg in the face of SGI. Linux is continues to follow the same path, destroying the weaker unices, while making small inroads toward displacing M$. It is a pity that SGI is in the path of the tornado, as I have tremendous respect for their hardware. Their high end parallel servers have some terrific features.
It seems to me that a mature Office suite and some of the features included in XP (no, not BSOD's) that make the system easier for to use for the average bear are what will win the desktop war. In the meantime though, it is nice to see that the Linux continues to make inroads where it can. Equally nice to see that Dreamworks did contribute back some of the code back to the community.
I know this is the minority opinion around here, but I would be willing to pop US $10 per year for Slashdot + Newsforge. These two sites provide me enough value (news/entertainment) that they are worthwhile. The way I see it, before I got a yummy 768k DSL line, I used to have about $200/yr in magazine subscriptions. These magazines provided value, and I was happy to pay for the luxury of having my own copy of them.
That said, there are some aspects of online news that don't quite fit the meatspace mold. Since there are no printing and distribution costs outside of the fixed investment in bandwidth and servers, I would not in any case pay full magazine subscription prices for content. In addition, I would strongly object to OSDN trying to make Freshmeat a pay site, on the basis that it is truly a community site, necessary to the health of the linux community. It should be free for _everyone_ to use, or we run the risk of stunting the growth of linux. There is also the "reference" aspect of paper - I can always look up an old article from an outdated or out of print publication. Would I be able to do that with a paid content site on the net? Unless they made a cdrom archive yearly and distributed it to their readers, probably not. Finally, unless content sites make _all_ their content available via PDA software like AvantGo, they are not always accessable. Kinda tough to read Newsforge on the pot in an airport, you know?:-)
I am seriously considering purchasing The Economist premium content. Their reporting is fairly even handed, and $60 is significantly less as compared the print version, which I subscribed to for years. Considering the breadth and depth of what they cover, they are not bad. I only wish they made an archive CD of their content, but their articles are searchable back to 1997, and they do have an AvantGo edition. If only it were more comprehensive.
Well, of course we would like to see this technology used for peaceful purposes. In fact, this has already happened. Rest easy, knowing that Steven Hawking has been on the case for some time now.:-)
Hawking
Nice to see that there are people just as sick as me!
So do these spores reproduce? If you used it in conjunction with a condom, would she end up with a moss infection? What kind of pesticide would you need to combat it? I can see the commercial now:
"Some days I don't feel as fresh, you know?"
"When I have those days, I rely on Personal Agent Orange."
"Thanks, Mom!"
This made me laugh when I read it on BBspot. Other people ripping it off pisses me off. Cite your sources, jackass.
"If you must write
prose and poems
the words you use should be your own
don't plagiarize or take on loan
there's always someone, somewhere
with a big nose, who knows
and trips you up and laughs when
you fall
They'll trip you up and laugh when you fall."
The questions we (/.) asked were overwhelmingly methodology questions. We got methodology answers. So don't complain that his responses didn't tell you anything.
As a former statistician, let me tell you that performing this type of analysis is not cookie-cutter stuff./. Readers are (like myself) accustomed to black and white answers to our questions. You _know_ the problem domain and you have complete control of the solution set. This is not the case in other professions, especially statistics. There are commonly repeated phrase in Economics & Econometrics: "all things held equal" and "it depends". They are commonly repeated for a reason. Inevitably, when you are performing any type of statistical analysis, you have to make judgement calls on how you gather data, knowing full well that what your results will be affected by them.
The methodology for gathering information, and the feedback mechanism he describes, seem prudent to me. I see little fault with his analysis, given the constraints on his access to the target data set. I think he did a good job explaining it to a group of non-statisticians. Nice interview.
Indeedly oh. IMHO, the first Mortal Kombat movie was a good escapist Kung Foo movie. Right on about the sound track. MKII was just did not click with me, though, and I can't recommend it.
Even as I am writing this, I think it disturbing that movie reviews are given any prominence here on/. Doesn't anyone remember the fact that we (or at least the GNU apostles) are locked in a death-struggle with the MPAA? Every dollar we spend in the movie theater or the video store funds the MPAA's lawyers.
It seems to me that we as a concerned community should not be doing anything to help our enemies. Don't see any movies, period.
This is great stuff. This is similar to what the commercial applications Ab Initio and Torrent Orchestrate do. What this software does is provide a standardized, consistent worldview of the all the resources in your parallel system. It should allow you to partition data, pass out processes to nodes, and handle internode communication between them transparently.
This is an important software release, because it is a step away from hand rolled, low level message passing, toward a standarized means of communicaton between nodes at a much higher level of abstraction. Think of it this way: You don't want to have to write all of the control logic for processes that are divvied out to the nodes when you are writing an application. Instead, you provide base classes of behaviour, distribute them to all of the nodes, and then inherit and instantiate specialized behaviors for _EACH JOB_ from a control partition.
This provides a nice level of abstraction for the programmer. It also puts Linux MPP systems in the same class as your IBM SP/2, NCR/Teradata, and Clustered Solaris systems, among others. I think that I will be doing some work on enhancing this software!
Oh, and yes, I do professional parallel programming for a living.:-)
Cheers and kudos to Sandia for releasing this as GPL!!!
Warning- This is offtopic relative to the rest of this thread.
Crispin - Where have you guys been? I was wondering when you would re-release the 7.0 version.
Does this release take care of the compilation problems of RH7? Can I build a 2.4 kernel with this? These questions and many more... are not answered on your web site! I used Immunix 6.2 for a while, and I liked it a lot, but I would really like to use XF86 4.03, the 4.2.x kernel, and latest Gnome.
Please let respond in this forum or to alewis@knightsbridge.com. I have a lot of interest in seeing what my company and my customers would think of this product.
Slashdot Mirror
How about a little wrap up:
Part I - Using ssh
Part II - ssh suite: Sftp, scp and ssh-agent
Part III - Using ssh-agent for SSH1 and OpenSSH
Abbreviated Version
The authoritative source
Mmmnnkay? Mnnnkay.
In case you missed it the first time, here it is again for Reference
.NET is implemented, and that leaves us in a vulnerable position.
Putting faith in commercial entities, and backing their initiatives without regard to its license could be the end of our community. As Petrely so clearly stated, The GNU/Linux community has no control of how
I for one don't really care if Ximian does well in the market place. If their stuff works with M$, and plays well, and they enjoy commercial sucess, good for them. Just don't let their commercial concerns taint the GPL'dness of the product. As long what they produce is GPL'd, we are safe. The moment that we become dependent on software with restrictive licensing is the moment that this whole party goes down the toilet.
This one is a little bit dated, but it is still pretty good. It is written by Jay Beale, from the Bastille Linux project.
Stupid, Stupid Protocols: Telnet, FTP, rsh/rcp/rlogin
Word up, dog!!!
I's me, alright. Who are you!?!?!
This article is a kind of validation of all the fears, rumors, and suppositions collectively posted on this site. I love this one:
:-)
:-)
"The Internet is an important cultural
phenomenon, but that doesn't excuse its failure to
comply with basic economic laws," said Thomas
Nolle, a New Jersey telecommunications
consultant. "The problem is that it was devised by
a bunch of hippie anarchists who didn't have a
strong profit motive. But this is a business,
not a government-sponsored network."
No, Tommy boy, this is the internet. Who's economic laws are you comparing it to? You run your business as you like. We'll keep doing our own thing.
I look at the apologists and execs for the dot bomb companies and wonder how they ever got hired in the first case. They don't even understand their own medium. I see all sorts of companies doing well over the internet... I can think of any number of pron sites.
I see the reliability problem with the local telco's, who ironicly are credited with the five nines reliability of past. These guys, with their iron grip over the last mile, are the one's that need to be killed twice and cremated.
Oh yeah, like they are going to make this sound downloadable from the internet? In an non-SDMI (or something else ridiculous) format? Then where do their profits go?
It will be interesting how you can lock up the rights on a sound!!! Just ask the RIAA how that's been going.
;-)
>My 2nd Linux Box has been up for 6 days now.. after several kernel oopses while coding drivers.
Good man. Way to keep the faith!!! Every Kernel reboot is a badge of honour!
That is rather amusing!!! :-)
;-)
Of course, all of this havok is just funny when you sit behind an OpenBSD firewall, running on a stackguarded version of Linux.
>Microsoft's trying to get a foot in the Open Source Market to gain control as they always do.
.NET? .NET. We can play nice. .NET too. We'r so 7337!!!
Indeedly oh, neighbor.
Here's how it works:
MS: You need a revenue model? Want to do
Ximian: Sure! We are going out of business without some VC $$$.
MS: O.K., but here' the catch. Most of what you produce has to be BSD license. The rest is closed source.
Ximian: We are desperate, so ok.
MS: (To themseslves, with a Snicker) We just embraced and extended the Open Source movement on the cheap. They do free development and we can ultimately control their compatibility with us.
Ximian: (To themseslves, with a relief) We can stay in business for another xx months.
MS: (To DOJ) See, you don't need to regulate
Slashdot: Cool, we have
Our desire to have Linux see commercial sucess could be our undoing. Putting compatibility with MS products in the hands of a company, without it being licensed under the GPL, is suicide. MS can destroy a commercial venture at will. It's the GPL that they can never have. Without the protection of the GPL, GNU/Linux would be dead meat, yesterday's news.
Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
~Dennis Miller
This writeup seems like a bit of egg in the face of SGI. Linux is continues to follow the same path, destroying the weaker unices, while making small inroads toward displacing M$. It is a pity that SGI is in the path of the tornado, as I have tremendous respect for their hardware. Their high end parallel servers have some terrific features.
It seems to me that a mature Office suite and some of the features included in XP (no, not BSOD's) that make the system easier for to use for the average bear are what will win the desktop war. In the meantime though, it is nice to see that the Linux continues to make inroads where it can. Equally nice to see that Dreamworks did contribute back some of the code back to the community.
Dude, what's your sig from. Interesting quote.
Right on. Three rips later, readin' slashdot, gonna go for a bike ride later. Weekend life is good...
Peace
I know this is the minority opinion around here, but I would be willing to pop US $10 per year for Slashdot + Newsforge. These two sites provide me enough value (news/entertainment) that they are worthwhile. The way I see it, before I got a yummy 768k DSL line, I used to have about $200/yr in magazine subscriptions. These magazines provided value, and I was happy to pay for the luxury of having my own copy of them.
:-)
That said, there are some aspects of online news that don't quite fit the meatspace mold. Since there are no printing and distribution costs outside of the fixed investment in bandwidth and servers, I would not in any case pay full magazine subscription prices for content. In addition, I would strongly object to OSDN trying to make Freshmeat a pay site, on the basis that it is truly a community site, necessary to the health of the linux community. It should be free for _everyone_ to use, or we run the risk of stunting the growth of linux. There is also the "reference" aspect of paper - I can always look up an old article from an outdated or out of print publication. Would I be able to do that with a paid content site on the net? Unless they made a cdrom archive yearly and distributed it to their readers, probably not. Finally, unless content sites make _all_ their content available via PDA software like AvantGo, they are not always accessable. Kinda tough to read Newsforge on the pot in an airport, you know?
I am seriously considering purchasing The Economist premium content. Their reporting is fairly even handed, and $60 is significantly less as compared the print version, which I subscribed to for years. Considering the breadth and depth of what they cover, they are not bad. I only wish they made an archive CD of their content, but their articles are searchable back to 1997, and they do have an AvantGo edition. If only it were more comprehensive.
Anyway, that is my $.02.
Well, of course we would like to see this technology used for peaceful purposes. In fact, this has already happened. Rest easy, knowing that Steven Hawking has been on the case for some time now. :-)
Hawking
LOL!!! :-)
Nice to see that there are people just as sick as me!
So do these spores reproduce? If you used it in conjunction with a condom, would she end up with a moss infection? What kind of pesticide would you need to combat it? I can see the commercial now:
"Some days I don't feel as fresh, you know?"
"When I have those days, I rely on Personal Agent Orange."
"Thanks, Mom!"
This made me laugh when I read it on BBspot. Other people ripping it off pisses me off. Cite your sources, jackass.
"If you must write
prose and poems
the words you use should be your own
don't plagiarize or take on loan
there's always someone, somewhere
with a big nose, who knows
and trips you up and laughs when
you fall
They'll trip you up and laugh when you fall."
-Morrisey
Ohmygod, mod this up. If only I knew all the words to "Blame Canada". Better rent BLC..
Thank god you are back on line. I was losing it. I even started reading kuro5in.
Even more important, freshmeat is back. A weekend without freshmeat is no weekend at all.
The questions we (/.) asked were overwhelmingly methodology questions. We got methodology answers. So don't complain that his responses didn't tell you anything.
/. Readers are (like myself) accustomed to black and white answers to our questions. You _know_ the problem domain and you have complete control of the solution set. This is not the case in other professions, especially statistics. There are commonly repeated phrase in Economics & Econometrics: "all things held equal" and "it depends". They are commonly repeated for a reason. Inevitably, when you are performing any type of statistical analysis, you have to make judgement calls on how you gather data, knowing full well that what your results will be affected by them.
As a former statistician, let me tell you that performing this type of analysis is not cookie-cutter stuff.
The methodology for gathering information, and the feedback mechanism he describes, seem prudent to me. I see little fault with his analysis, given the constraints on his access to the target data set. I think he did a good job explaining it to a group of non-statisticians. Nice interview.
Indeedly oh. IMHO, the first Mortal Kombat movie was a good escapist Kung Foo movie. Right on about the sound track. MKII was just did not click with me, though, and I can't recommend it.
/. Doesn't anyone remember the fact that we (or at least the GNU apostles) are locked in a death-struggle with the MPAA? Every dollar we spend in the movie theater or the video store funds the MPAA's lawyers.
Even as I am writing this, I think it disturbing that movie reviews are given any prominence here on
It seems to me that we as a concerned community should not be doing anything to help our enemies. Don't see any movies, period.
Just my $.02
This is great stuff. This is similar to what the commercial applications Ab Initio and Torrent Orchestrate do. What this software does is provide a standardized, consistent worldview of the all the resources in your parallel system. It should allow you to partition data, pass out processes to nodes, and handle internode communication between them transparently.
:-)
This is an important software release, because it is a step away from hand rolled, low level message passing, toward a standarized means of communicaton between nodes at a much higher level of abstraction. Think of it this way: You don't want to have to write all of the control logic for processes that are divvied out to the nodes when you are writing an application. Instead, you provide base classes of behaviour, distribute them to all of the nodes, and then inherit and instantiate specialized behaviors for _EACH JOB_ from a control partition.
This provides a nice level of abstraction for the programmer. It also puts Linux MPP systems in the same class as your IBM SP/2, NCR/Teradata, and Clustered Solaris systems, among others. I think that I will be doing some work on enhancing this software!
Oh, and yes, I do professional parallel programming for a living.
Cheers and kudos to Sandia for releasing this as GPL!!!
>So, you going to turn yourself in now, thought criminal?
"The mind is a terrible thing, and it must be stopped."
SNL Sketch spoofing Mike Tyson doing a United Way commercial
:)
>Slashdot as a whole needs to help itself out of this near total subservience to corporations through such bizarre personifications like "underdog"
.sig is nice. Cheers.
Someone with perspective and a clue. Mod his post up.
BTW, the Nitzer Ebb
>"Such a thing could never exist in the U.S. for longer than it took to load up the tear gas grenade launchers."
:-)
I don't know. Have you been to SoMa (South of Market) in San Francisco lately?
Warning- This is offtopic relative to the rest of this thread.
Crispin - Where have you guys been? I was wondering when you would re-release the 7.0 version.
Does this release take care of the compilation problems of RH7? Can I build a 2.4 kernel with this? These questions and many more... are not answered on your web site! I used Immunix 6.2 for a while, and I liked it a lot, but I would really like to use XF86 4.03, the 4.2.x kernel, and latest Gnome.
Please let respond in this forum or to alewis@knightsbridge.com. I have a lot of interest in seeing what my company and my customers would think of this product.
Thanks!!!