No. You are throwing a distraction and I'm not going to bite. The initial claim was that the audience in attendance was bigger.
I'm not going to argue it was the most-streamed event*. That's not what their point was. I don't care who had a bigger audience, Trump cared. They lied because they pointed to pictures and said, "this is framed badly, we had a bigger audience," when clearly from the pictures you could see much more empty space. Not once during this fiasco did they point to online streams, they said, "audience" which can be bent by any person to mean anything. The language is vague on purpose. They all pointed to picture evidence, Trump's ridiculously-worded anecdotal evidence and "bad framing".
* And beside the point, it doesn't give numbers. It is not concrete and would be insane to draw specific numbers from.
"The 17 million streams are the total number of streams, not the average number of people watching. That 17 million figure may include people that reloaded the webpage, or that clicked in and watched for 30 seconds, or people where the inauguration started to auto-play on the CNN story they clicked through."
Give me falsifiable but true evidence of Soros doing any of this. There have been documented paper trails of the Koch brothers, along with other right-leaning mill/billionaires dumping money into conservative agendas. Is that bad? No, he's free to put money to causes he believes in.
What's bad is the video of that Republican woman on camera caught trying to hire people to disrupt Trump's inauguration. There has been no such evidence of George Soros being involved in anything I've heard people claim but there has been some evidence of Republicans hiring people to disrupt Republican events so they can blame Democrats.
I'm done. I'm not going to try to untangle my meaning anymore. You win. I don't want a government monopoly. We had it good when POTS lines were the Internet because there were hundreds of companies. I want that again.
I think you're under the impression that I want a government monopoly. I don't. I want local loop unbundling. I want what Europe has: one company controls the wires, one controls the service. None of this is even worth discussing.
Because unregulated capitalism has done so well for Internet access in America. Prices are low and speeds are high. It's been amazing for consumers. Self-regulation was a runaway success!
First, I gather you know much of the US has nowhere to go if they want to switch, making your first point moot. But, I fail to see how it's any different from any other business doing cost analysis based on estimates.
Reasonably populated areas in Europe pay far less than reasonably populated areas in the US. New York City and San Francisco, two big cities, have some of the worst service in the country. Why? Effective regional monopolies. NYC is suing Verizon for failing to meet terms. Verizon doesn't want to build more. Can't imagine why. (Simply, costs more to maintain than wireless. Why serve customers when you don't have to?)
And yes, I carefully worded that because I'm not a network engineer for a major ISP and don't know how they over-subscribe. I thought I made it clear that is acceptable practice but if not: that is obviously acceptable practice. Theoretical peak is just that: theoretical. I'm not going to make a case for a restaurant to build out for unused tables and will not make the case for an ISP to build out for unused bandwidth. Both are silly. Again, I thought that was clear. Haha, wasted your time.
The argument is ISPs are, in fact, super-villains. Why? Data caps have nothing to do with over-subscribing or bandwidth management. I'm not comparing this to restaurants because the analogy would be poor. In fact, none of what you argued have anything to do with the reason most people hate their ISP. Bits are not consumed. The only scarcity is bandwidth. Restaurants have a max capacity but that does not cap the speed at which people can be moved in and out. People would be pissed if they were rushed because they had a time cap and would go elsewhere. Whoops, I did what I said I wouldn't do. And yep, the analogy is awful.
How do I use less bandwidth when I'm capped? I'm not downloading any slower. I may download/watch less, but not any slower, since my speed has not changed.
Private companies have been put under the regulation gun before. Why should it be any different whether it's an ISP or an electric company? I'm pretty sure phone companies in the US are/were under pricing regulation (as long as they use POTS lines, thanks to loopholes). This is what happens with virtual monopolies -- and, in some regions, actual monopolies.
Of course, it shouldn't have to be like this. There should be competition so consumers have somewhere to go when they don't like one carrier's policies. But, they've crafted themselves regional monopolies. Until local-loop unbundling is a thing, this will never happen.
Sufficient Bandwidth
Ok, let's define sufficient bandwidth. If you have 1000 customers on a node and they're all at your max tier, say 50 MB/s, you need 500,000 MB/s on that node to support theoretical peak bandwidth. Of course, the node will rarely if ever reach 500,000 MB/s and ISPs know this so, naturally, they'll do some percentage lower, say, 75% theoretical peak. They probably set this number based on a monthly (yearly, likely, or else I'd rarely have to complain about persistent bandwidth issues) report of max bandwidth in a node.
But, we're forgetting that until they upgrade those routers, their costs are mostly comprised of replacing aging hardware (ROFL) and paying employees, along with putting away billions for the CEO's severance package (I'm bitter). How does this differ from a shipping company who has to replace aging trucks, or purchase more trucks as their business grows? The analogy isn't 100% but it's a damn shot closer than Oreos vs. bits. If the actual peak bandwidth rises above "sufficient", then purchase more/bigger routers/another node for more customers.
An ISP is a business that, once it has a footprint, won't grow much. The ISPs around the US have carved out their own sections and detest anyone creeping into their regions. Thus, their expansion can and will flatline. How else are they supposed to grow their income? I can't fault them for wanting to do so but I can fault them their methods. That said, my electric company isn't growing its income.
It's past time ISPs become utilities or, better yet: must not control both the last mile and "first mile", and cannot be part of a content company.
No one's saying bandwidth is free. We're saying the bits are free. There's a difference. Bandwidth is how many bits per second. Bits is a file transfer or data being streamed. A sliver of a frame of a video. A single millisecond of a song. Once sufficient bandwidth is in place, it costs an ISP nothing if you're downloading at 1 MB/s or 1 GB/s. Other people may suffer at the hands of your use of the total bandwidth at your area of the Internet but the costs do not change because they don't have to put bits into the hardware so that some can be used to give you your video, song, file, etc. You do, however, have to put Oreos in the truck.
Because the bits, the thing being transferred, are there whether you use them or not. What we call "used" bits is just some program deeming the electrons flowing into your data port actual data instead of garbage. Therefore, you cannot "use up" bits and the infuriating part is these people spouting the nonsense work for the ISPs in some fashion or another and should know this. Oreos, on the other hand, stop flowing when they are all gone and must be manufactured. Bits are not manufactured. They are charging for both the bits and the bandwidth, when the bits cost them almost nothing. The cost is the device to manage the bits (the "router"), which is not nothing but would may cost a $20,000. Compared to an ISP's income, that's grains of sand.
I feel like I'm wasting my time talking to an AC. With sufficient knowledge of how the Internet works, you understand that data caps are a way to create artificial scarcity. The common uses are to prop up a dying business model or to extract extra money.
Some suits at Atlantic are probably pissed at whatever money they lost from the song leaking early due to deals with other companies for digital or physical distribution rights. Are they right to be? Probably. They probably got paid or paid out for exclusivity or something. And, now that the song is out in the wild, some suits at some other companies are probably suing for breach of duties about piracy. As it is, some people won't bother buying it from iTunes/Spotify/Amazon/etc. They will try any way they can to find out who did it to please the parties involved so they can say it will never happen again -- or they may not be able to strike deals with those parties in the future on risk of lost money.
What money lost? It's probably mostly artificial: some clause probably said they owe money if it gets leaked; someone will probably cancel their contract due to lack of trust; lost sales due to "piracy"; they are no longer among the "exclusive" distributors, etc.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong; do I have all that right?
And do I ultimately feel bad for the label? No. Probably none of this puts money into the artist's hands, just the people at the label, and these kinds of deals are never what the customer wants anyway.
While I would believe this is true, I don't think it's entirely intentional. Both sides are fighting like toddlers, beholden to their bribery donations, to keep their briberies coming.
It's funny. The company I work for has yearly training. One of them is Ethics, which they make a big deal out of. Conflicts of interest, bribery, accepting gifts/donations, etc. are especially frowned upon. It's drilled home so finely that even the stupidest idiot can understand the concepts given by the examples, videos and explanatory text in the training curriculum. So it's illegal for most companies but for government it's perfectly legal. I just did my Ethics training today. I take it back -- it's not funny, it's fucking sad.
Yes, I did know that. It used to be that some of the things he said would make me happy but his lack of action on any of it means that happiness is only fleeting. Lately, even the best things that he says are starting to have no effect on me, though.
These days I've been questioning the motives of the "Repulicunts". Free market principles seem to go out the window with big "donations". Is it just me or would this proposed move from the FCC be exactly in line with what the Republican party stands for? Granted, the net neutrality proposal would be against it but I don't see how removing a barrier to competition would be against the Republican's principles. It should be the Democrats complaining.
So according to this guy, we should never make laws or decisions that don't have complete bi-partisan support because the other side will try to repeal it. How would anything get done? At that, we wouldn't have any laws at all. Did he even listen to what he said?
I swear, man. Congresscritters sound more like whiny children every day. This is the epitome of politicians' refusal to compromise on anything. The general intelligence of people in politics must steadily be dropping. They better stay where they are because they sure can't do anything else.
The civil unrest is pretty tangible on the circles I visit on the Internet, and that's spilling over into Real Life (tm). Congress' approval rating is at an all-time low. This country has been around 400 years. It's never been lower. (Okay, it was probably lower back when the Tea Party actually meant something.)
Now, I'm not saying it's going to happen, but sometimes I think this country just needs another civil war against its government. After all, the United States was founded by British colonialists taking up arms against their government. Why couldn't it happen again? I'm sure some parts of the country are closer to doing so than others.
It's hard to fight back within the bounds of the law when the law is so against you.
Anecdotal evidence could work here just as well. Citizens United represents everything you need to know about politics in the United States. If you don't have enough money, you don't have enough "free speech." The polls say more than 90% of the country does not want Comcast to buy Time Warner Cable, and for some good reasons. Do you think that'll sway the regulators, who are being smooched up the ass by Comcast lobbyists?
Or what about what happened to Obama's election promises about getting rid of lobbyists and being transparent? I do believe he was pressured by the incumbents into changing his mind. He might have been honest when he first got elected, but, as they say, the system is too strong. He got borged into it.
I started by working with the Quake 3 engine and seeing what I could do to it. I wound up modifying the guns by adding new firing modes, modifying how the camera a little and learned how to add effects to the game.
Then I messed around with the trigger editor in Starcraft.
Then I messed around with the trigger editor in Warcraft 3 and made a lot more complex things, including implementing the character progression system from a single game from a popular Japanese RPG series -- which shall remain nameless -- in a tower defense map. (It was an awesome-bad project.)
What did I find? This taught me the basics of game programming as well as a lot of about algorithms. It made me a better programmer. Then I made some Starcraft 2 maps, one of which was a port of a Warcraft 3 map. Then I said fuck this, and took the RPG I started in Warcraft 3, moved to Starcraft 2, and I now have a 2D RPG game engine written from scratch for PC that is well beyond the progress of either of the maps it came from. I would argue you don't learn to program games in a language. You just learn the paradigms used to make a game work, and then apply that to a language. You want to learn? Do it. Books may help if you get stuck along the way, but do yourself a favor and stick to libraries if they exist. No one wants to draw their own fonts or write a PNG loader.
Although yes, you may learn some more about the language you're using along the way. I learned a lot about C++. Try to stick with learning to do things The Right Way (tm) and you will surprise yourself with what you learn. For the record, I wrote my own game engine because I wanted to learn how to do that. I sometimes wonder if I should have used a ready-made engine but the learning experience is massive, although I don't recommend it for everyone. I am quite insane.
The idea of corporations as people is a fucking stupid idea. When that dude said, "Corporations are people too!" I wanted to smack his face. He's only saying it because he's been paid by corporations who want to extend their influence by using more money than individual people could ever actually spend. The retarded idea has convinced people of the idea but I wouldn't bet the people involved in it really believe it.
The only reason to give corporations personhood is to allow people to spend more money in politics. If they are people, then they should also go to jail. Want the benefits? Get the disadvantages.
I remember reading something on this a while ago. I submit to you: why are US politics so fucked up? What started the spiral to so much money in politics? Compared to a country like Switzerland? How are the dynamics different? (Or is Switzerland as corrupt and no one told me.)
A fringe group tried creating a third major party: the Tea party. We do have other, small parties, but they never get many votes, and often end up costing one of the major parties.
The two party system has to go. We need more parties, making it harder to buy politicians.
1) This super PAC hopes to rid the government of corruption.
2) It plans to do so by attempting to incentivize politicians to ban super PACs and get money out of poliics.
3) To incentivize politicians, it plans to buy them, thereby promoting the very corruption it seeks to abolish.
4) ???
5) Profit!
Is there any guaruntee that the politicians it attracts are actually honest, since they're effectively being bought anyway? What will their policies be once this passes?
For that matter, are there any fucking honest politicians? It seems the only people interested in politics are dishonest, immature, old little bitches. There should be a maximum age for politicians, let alone a minimum.
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No. You are throwing a distraction and I'm not going to bite. The initial claim was that the audience in attendance was bigger.
I'm not going to argue it was the most-streamed event*. That's not what their point was. I don't care who had a bigger audience, Trump cared. They lied because they pointed to pictures and said, "this is framed badly, we had a bigger audience," when clearly from the pictures you could see much more empty space. Not once during this fiasco did they point to online streams, they said, "audience" which can be bent by any person to mean anything. The language is vague on purpose. They all pointed to picture evidence, Trump's ridiculously-worded anecdotal evidence and "bad framing".
* And beside the point, it doesn't give numbers. It is not concrete and would be insane to draw specific numbers from.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/...
"The 17 million streams are the total number of streams, not the average number of people watching. That 17 million figure may include people that reloaded the webpage, or that clicked in and watched for 30 seconds, or people where the inauguration started to auto-play on the CNN story they clicked through."
Give me falsifiable but true evidence of Soros doing any of this. There have been documented paper trails of the Koch brothers, along with other right-leaning mill/billionaires dumping money into conservative agendas. Is that bad? No, he's free to put money to causes he believes in.
What's bad is the video of that Republican woman on camera caught trying to hire people to disrupt Trump's inauguration. There has been no such evidence of George Soros being involved in anything I've heard people claim but there has been some evidence of Republicans hiring people to disrupt Republican events so they can blame Democrats.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
Believe HuffPo is fake news? Feel free, but it's hard to refute a video.
The demonstrably false thing was when Spicer claimed the inauguration crowds for Trump were larger than they were for Obama. Pictures, lots of them.
*claps hands*
I'm done. I'm not going to try to untangle my meaning anymore. You win. I don't want a government monopoly. We had it good when POTS lines were the Internet because there were hundreds of companies. I want that again.
I think you're under the impression that I want a government monopoly. I don't. I want local loop unbundling. I want what Europe has: one company controls the wires, one controls the service. None of this is even worth discussing.
Because unregulated capitalism has done so well for Internet access in America. Prices are low and speeds are high. It's been amazing for consumers. Self-regulation was a runaway success!
So, it's to be a battle of wits, is it?
First, I gather you know much of the US has nowhere to go if they want to switch, making your first point moot. But, I fail to see how it's any different from any other business doing cost analysis based on estimates.
Reasonably populated areas in Europe pay far less than reasonably populated areas in the US. New York City and San Francisco, two big cities, have some of the worst service in the country. Why? Effective regional monopolies. NYC is suing Verizon for failing to meet terms. Verizon doesn't want to build more. Can't imagine why. (Simply, costs more to maintain than wireless. Why serve customers when you don't have to?)
And yes, I carefully worded that because I'm not a network engineer for a major ISP and don't know how they over-subscribe. I thought I made it clear that is acceptable practice but if not: that is obviously acceptable practice. Theoretical peak is just that: theoretical. I'm not going to make a case for a restaurant to build out for unused tables and will not make the case for an ISP to build out for unused bandwidth. Both are silly. Again, I thought that was clear. Haha, wasted your time.
The argument is ISPs are, in fact, super-villains. Why? Data caps have nothing to do with over-subscribing or bandwidth management. I'm not comparing this to restaurants because the analogy would be poor. In fact, none of what you argued have anything to do with the reason most people hate their ISP. Bits are not consumed. The only scarcity is bandwidth. Restaurants have a max capacity but that does not cap the speed at which people can be moved in and out. People would be pissed if they were rushed because they had a time cap and would go elsewhere. Whoops, I did what I said I wouldn't do. And yep, the analogy is awful.
How do I use less bandwidth when I'm capped? I'm not downloading any slower. I may download/watch less, but not any slower, since my speed has not changed.
Regulation
Private companies have been put under the regulation gun before. Why should it be any different whether it's an ISP or an electric company? I'm pretty sure phone companies in the US are/were under pricing regulation (as long as they use POTS lines, thanks to loopholes). This is what happens with virtual monopolies -- and, in some regions, actual monopolies.
Of course, it shouldn't have to be like this. There should be competition so consumers have somewhere to go when they don't like one carrier's policies. But, they've crafted themselves regional monopolies. Until local-loop unbundling is a thing, this will never happen.
Sufficient Bandwidth
Ok, let's define sufficient bandwidth. If you have 1000 customers on a node and they're all at your max tier, say 50 MB/s, you need 500,000 MB/s on that node to support theoretical peak bandwidth. Of course, the node will rarely if ever reach 500,000 MB/s and ISPs know this so, naturally, they'll do some percentage lower, say, 75% theoretical peak. They probably set this number based on a monthly (yearly, likely, or else I'd rarely have to complain about persistent bandwidth issues) report of max bandwidth in a node.
But, we're forgetting that until they upgrade those routers, their costs are mostly comprised of replacing aging hardware (ROFL) and paying employees, along with putting away billions for the CEO's severance package (I'm bitter). How does this differ from a shipping company who has to replace aging trucks, or purchase more trucks as their business grows? The analogy isn't 100% but it's a damn shot closer than Oreos vs. bits. If the actual peak bandwidth rises above "sufficient", then purchase more/bigger routers/another node for more customers.
An ISP is a business that, once it has a footprint, won't grow much. The ISPs around the US have carved out their own sections and detest anyone creeping into their regions. Thus, their expansion can and will flatline. How else are they supposed to grow their income? I can't fault them for wanting to do so but I can fault them their methods. That said, my electric company isn't growing its income.
It's past time ISPs become utilities or, better yet: must not control both the last mile and "first mile", and cannot be part of a content company.
And then the local ISPs will start creating state laws to stop them somehow. :( Already in 20-some-odd states.
No one's saying bandwidth is free. We're saying the bits are free. There's a difference. Bandwidth is how many bits per second. Bits is a file transfer or data being streamed. A sliver of a frame of a video. A single millisecond of a song. Once sufficient bandwidth is in place, it costs an ISP nothing if you're downloading at 1 MB/s or 1 GB/s. Other people may suffer at the hands of your use of the total bandwidth at your area of the Internet but the costs do not change because they don't have to put bits into the hardware so that some can be used to give you your video, song, file, etc. You do, however, have to put Oreos in the truck.
Because the bits, the thing being transferred, are there whether you use them or not. What we call "used" bits is just some program deeming the electrons flowing into your data port actual data instead of garbage. Therefore, you cannot "use up" bits and the infuriating part is these people spouting the nonsense work for the ISPs in some fashion or another and should know this. Oreos, on the other hand, stop flowing when they are all gone and must be manufactured. Bits are not manufactured. They are charging for both the bits and the bandwidth, when the bits cost them almost nothing. The cost is the device to manage the bits (the "router"), which is not nothing but would may cost a $20,000. Compared to an ISP's income, that's grains of sand.
I feel like I'm wasting my time talking to an AC. With sufficient knowledge of how the Internet works, you understand that data caps are a way to create artificial scarcity. The common uses are to prop up a dying business model or to extract extra money.
Some suits at Atlantic are probably pissed at whatever money they lost from the song leaking early due to deals with other companies for digital or physical distribution rights. Are they right to be? Probably. They probably got paid or paid out for exclusivity or something. And, now that the song is out in the wild, some suits at some other companies are probably suing for breach of duties about piracy. As it is, some people won't bother buying it from iTunes/Spotify/Amazon/etc. They will try any way they can to find out who did it to please the parties involved so they can say it will never happen again -- or they may not be able to strike deals with those parties in the future on risk of lost money.
What money lost? It's probably mostly artificial: some clause probably said they owe money if it gets leaked; someone will probably cancel their contract due to lack of trust; lost sales due to "piracy"; they are no longer among the "exclusive" distributors, etc.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong; do I have all that right?
And do I ultimately feel bad for the label? No. Probably none of this puts money into the artist's hands, just the people at the label, and these kinds of deals are never what the customer wants anyway.
Ok, I need to make two jokes. Surely one of them will get me an upvote, assuming the other one isn't bad enough to cancel out the funny.
1) Won't someone please make an iBreakIt.
2) Is this a bad time to say I'm the 99%?
While I would believe this is true, I don't think it's entirely intentional. Both sides are fighting like toddlers, beholden to their bribery donations, to keep their briberies coming.
It's funny. The company I work for has yearly training. One of them is Ethics, which they make a big deal out of. Conflicts of interest, bribery, accepting gifts/donations, etc. are especially frowned upon. It's drilled home so finely that even the stupidest idiot can understand the concepts given by the examples, videos and explanatory text in the training curriculum. So it's illegal for most companies but for government it's perfectly legal. I just did my Ethics training today. I take it back -- it's not funny, it's fucking sad.
Yes, I did know that. It used to be that some of the things he said would make me happy but his lack of action on any of it means that happiness is only fleeting. Lately, even the best things that he says are starting to have no effect on me, though.
These days I've been questioning the motives of the "Repulicunts". Free market principles seem to go out the window with big "donations". Is it just me or would this proposed move from the FCC be exactly in line with what the Republican party stands for? Granted, the net neutrality proposal would be against it but I don't see how removing a barrier to competition would be against the Republican's principles. It should be the Democrats complaining.
So according to this guy, we should never make laws or decisions that don't have complete bi-partisan support because the other side will try to repeal it. How would anything get done? At that, we wouldn't have any laws at all. Did he even listen to what he said?
I swear, man. Congresscritters sound more like whiny children every day. This is the epitome of politicians' refusal to compromise on anything. The general intelligence of people in politics must steadily be dropping. They better stay where they are because they sure can't do anything else.
The civil unrest is pretty tangible on the circles I visit on the Internet, and that's spilling over into Real Life (tm). Congress' approval rating is at an all-time low. This country has been around 400 years. It's never been lower. (Okay, it was probably lower back when the Tea Party actually meant something.)
Now, I'm not saying it's going to happen, but sometimes I think this country just needs another civil war against its government. After all, the United States was founded by British colonialists taking up arms against their government. Why couldn't it happen again? I'm sure some parts of the country are closer to doing so than others.
It's hard to fight back within the bounds of the law when the law is so against you.
"Voting is cool but it's not enough to make a democracy." True in so many ways.
You did read the bits about the fact that voting seems to have no effect most of the time? (Or how about this one.)
Anecdotal evidence could work here just as well. Citizens United represents everything you need to know about politics in the United States. If you don't have enough money, you don't have enough "free speech." The polls say more than 90% of the country does not want Comcast to buy Time Warner Cable, and for some good reasons. Do you think that'll sway the regulators, who are being smooched up the ass by Comcast lobbyists?
Or what about what happened to Obama's election promises about getting rid of lobbyists and being transparent? I do believe he was pressured by the incumbents into changing his mind. He might have been honest when he first got elected, but, as they say, the system is too strong. He got borged into it.
I started by working with the Quake 3 engine and seeing what I could do to it. I wound up modifying the guns by adding new firing modes, modifying how the camera a little and learned how to add effects to the game.
Then I messed around with the trigger editor in Starcraft.
Then I messed around with the trigger editor in Warcraft 3 and made a lot more complex things, including implementing the character progression system from a single game from a popular Japanese RPG series -- which shall remain nameless -- in a tower defense map. (It was an awesome-bad project.)
What did I find? This taught me the basics of game programming as well as a lot of about algorithms. It made me a better programmer. Then I made some Starcraft 2 maps, one of which was a port of a Warcraft 3 map. Then I said fuck this, and took the RPG I started in Warcraft 3, moved to Starcraft 2, and I now have a 2D RPG game engine written from scratch for PC that is well beyond the progress of either of the maps it came from. I would argue you don't learn to program games in a language. You just learn the paradigms used to make a game work, and then apply that to a language. You want to learn? Do it. Books may help if you get stuck along the way, but do yourself a favor and stick to libraries if they exist. No one wants to draw their own fonts or write a PNG loader.
Although yes, you may learn some more about the language you're using along the way. I learned a lot about C++. Try to stick with learning to do things The Right Way (tm) and you will surprise yourself with what you learn. For the record, I wrote my own game engine because I wanted to learn how to do that. I sometimes wonder if I should have used a ready-made engine but the learning experience is massive, although I don't recommend it for everyone. I am quite insane.
That's not an argument for personhood. I understand the reason corporations exist.
The idea of corporations as people is a fucking stupid idea. When that dude said, "Corporations are people too!" I wanted to smack his face. He's only saying it because he's been paid by corporations who want to extend their influence by using more money than individual people could ever actually spend. The retarded idea has convinced people of the idea but I wouldn't bet the people involved in it really believe it.
The only reason to give corporations personhood is to allow people to spend more money in politics. If they are people, then they should also go to jail. Want the benefits? Get the disadvantages.
I remember reading something on this a while ago. I submit to you: why are US politics so fucked up? What started the spiral to so much money in politics? Compared to a country like Switzerland? How are the dynamics different? (Or is Switzerland as corrupt and no one told me.)
A fringe group tried creating a third major party: the Tea party. We do have other, small parties, but they never get many votes, and often end up costing one of the major parties.
The two party system has to go. We need more parties, making it harder to buy politicians.
Stay with me here.
1) This super PAC hopes to rid the government of corruption.
2) It plans to do so by attempting to incentivize politicians to ban super PACs and get money out of poliics.
3) To incentivize politicians, it plans to buy them, thereby promoting the very corruption it seeks to abolish.
4) ???
5) Profit!
Is there any guaruntee that the politicians it attracts are actually honest, since they're effectively being bought anyway? What will their policies be once this passes?
For that matter, are there any fucking honest politicians? It seems the only people interested in politics are dishonest, immature, old little bitches. There should be a maximum age for politicians, let alone a minimum.