No, you said that you've 'paid for permission to use the binary'. That's not how copyright law works. You've paid for a copy of the binary, you don't need 'permission' to use it. You can do anything you want as long as copyright law doesn't make that action illegal.
Don't confuse what I'm saying with advocating that companies should be forced to give out the source. I was disagreeing with what you said, not advocating anything. (Though companies should certainly have to give their source to the copyright office so it can be released when the copyright expires. That's the whole bargain, they get protection against copying and in return the public gets it after X years.)
NASA is way too anal and wastes way too much money anyway. It is statistically safer to be in space than anywhere in the world. Some people see that as a good thing, I see it as a fucking waste of my tax dollars.
I don't care if there's a one in a million chance a cosmic ray will hit and fuck the toilet up...it's outer space, it's supposed to be dangerous. Don't spend $35,000 shielding the damned toilet. Sometimes people will die, but I think Challenger proved they could die anyway once you strap them on the back of a apartment building filled with explosives. You can't plan for everything, so stop spending so much time and money trying to make everything perfect, because it can't be.
Under my ideal NASA, twice as many people would die. As less than 50 people have died in the entire history of manned spaceflight, I'm kinda okay with that...they know the risks, and I fail to see why it should be safer than normal airline travel. Hell, more people die each year from getting struck by runaway pianos. OTOH, under my NASA spaceflight would cost a tenth as much, and maybe we'd actually do something with it besides tossing satelites up there.
The Russians do it correctly, mainly cause they have no money. They kept Mir up with duct tape for years.
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Um...that's the entire point of copyreight protection. You get a limited monopoly on a product in return for contributing to the public domain. (This is the point of patents also.) People get to look at what you did and how you did it, use it in limited ways for personal use, and only you get to make a profit off it for X years. Then it falls into the public domain.
It really amazes me how many people think the point of copyright is to have authors 'own' their work. Copyright creates an incentive to create, that's the entire point, there is no 'right' to control other people's ability to copy something you originated.
It also really amazes me that people can claim companies should never have to release source. They should obviously have to give up the source after their copyright expires, it's just no software copyright has ever expired.
You're paying for permission to use a binary copy of the program and there is a big difference.
You know, almost no one agrees with you here. You walk into a store and hand them money for a box, you own the box and everything inside it. Copyright law prevents you from making copies of any copyrighted material, like manuals and software, but it doesn't stop you from owning a copy of the manuals and software.
Yes, but than people start thinking I'm talking about other stuff. There's quite a lot people here who aren't programmers and have no idea what other meanings 'atomic' has.
I find it hilarious people keep making this analogy about libraries not carrying porn magazines. It's like half the US is living in some alternate dimension where you can't find porn at the local library.
Libraries usually do stock quite a lot of porn, especially the bigger ones. It's usually not out on the shelves, but that's because people keep stealing it. Just walk in and ask if they have it. If you're embarassed, ask for a specific issue and photocopy a random article out of it, so you look like you're actually doing research.
But, yeah, it makes it a lot harder. OTOH, exploding pins isn't the 'real' way golf is played, out on a hardtop with only a frisbee, two crappy wooden stick for the pins, and a can of spraypaint to mark one team's foreheads so you can tell them apart. Exploding pins are just a gimmick, and the giant grass courses are pretty silly too.
You should get a Kroger Plus card. Went into Kroger and instantly 'Mr. Jerome K. Jerome' walked out with a card. All I buy with it is gas, if I bought other stuff I'd probably get more cards and use them randomly. Note they don't mail you the card, so you can make up total crap for the address.
Seriously, it's a lot more destructive to screw up their database than to stay out of it. If you want to have a lot of fun, get different cards for different things. Do your weeky purchases rotating ten cards, so it looks like you don't purchase hardly anything. Then pick one card and do a few weeks straight, then throw the card away. Mail cards around the country to random friends and tell them to use it. Get fifty cards made out to the same name/address/etc, and purchase one box of cereal with each one. Have one card for the 'ran out of milk' run in the middle of the week, so it looks like someone purchases a gallon of milk every few weeks and that's it.
The more incorrect patterns you can make in their information, the less it is worth. If you get half a dozen friends in on this, it would be fun to try to make them change the layout of the store by always purchasing milk and frozen pizza on one set of cards, and making all your other purchases on another. They might logically conclude that people who purchase frozen pizza always purchase milk, and move them closer.
Yeah, people are really paranoid. You should tell them your zip code, that's how they know where they need stores! If you have a very small area code and are paranoid, pick one next to you or something.
I mean, seriously, do you think they're somehow going to label junk mail 'six foot two inch male with brown hair and brown eyes, who's in 30060'? I doubt the postal service would deliver that.
In golf, only the American League uses explosive pins. The National Golf Association doesn't use them. (Or at least, didn't the last I checked. I used to follow golf, but I kept getting seats in the nosebleed section. Even with orange balls, I can't see the action from up there.)
I look it up, and you can apparently play bowling either way, although you are correct, it isn't very common. I guess that's just something we do in Georgia. Ah well.
I'm sorry, everyone here is incorrect. It says it on the dollar, that's it's legal tender for all DEBTS, public and private. If you owe someone five hundred dollars, they must accept cash, in any form, unless explictly stated before they loaned you the money. And the same for services and goods you've already consumed, if you go into a resturant and order a meal, or you get an oil change, they must accept any 'legal tender' from you unless something or someone explicitly said 'We do not accept cash'. You cannot order a meal then be told you cannot pay cash.
However, they do not have to accept cash in trade, if you do not owe them money. That is not a debt, you do not owe them anything. They can force you to pay in quarters (as, in fact, many candy machines do. Do you honestly think those are illegal because they will not take dimes and nickels?)
Now, if you go and open something on the way to the register, or even eat it, I guess you could legally claim you now owned them money and they had to accept cash. OTOH, they could have you arrested for theft, so it's not a good idea to argue at that point. While many stores will be lax about it, legally, you just damaged their possessions without permission.
There is no 'no turning back' point for a transaction. Either they agree to accept what you are offering, or they don't. You can't trick them into accepting one thing and then replace it with another of supposed equal value. Likewise, they can't accept payment form you, and then tack on an additional charge and force you to pay it. Transactions have either happened or they haven't, there's no middle ground. (Now, there's certainly debatable ground, like if you hand someone cash and the store gets robbed in the middle of it, but that's debating the point the line exists at, not that a solid line does, in fact, exist, where you both instantly switch possessions.)
The superbowl isn't bowling, it's superbowling, played in a much larger room with 15 pins instead of 10, and heavier balls that are launched by rolling them down a ramp instead of just throwing them, as is done in normal bowling.
Of course, many Americans mistakenly think this is normal bowling, which is very silly of them.
Spam isn't bad because it's annoying, it's bad because it's theft of resources and abuse of the commons.
While you can argue that that copyright violation is 'theft', it's actually not, it's a 'copyright violation'. They do not own your lack of copying, and when you copy you do not deprive them of this lack of a copy. And draconian copyright laws and restrictions on what you can do with copyrighted material are also abuses of the common, or at least something that's supposed to be the common.
Disney, for example, has managed to steal (The actual meaning of steal, to deprive the rightful owner (namely, the public) of the item.) most of their old movies out of the public domain, while benefiting from the public domain in the first place. Companies that use copy protection of CD are stealing from their customers, depriving them of their legal backup copies.
But, basically, the two things are completely unrelated. it's like saying that someone who's for speeding and against jaywalking is a hypocrite, because both are laws about the streets. Well, no, not really.
And no other slashdot user would be so unethical as to fake posting from him while he's doing it, though the simply matter of the killer hooking up a web proxy, and then emailing the other user his name and password, so that user can post on slashdot though his machine.
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He did that also.
Don't confuse what I'm saying with advocating that companies should be forced to give out the source. I was disagreeing with what you said, not advocating anything. (Though companies should certainly have to give their source to the copyright office so it can be released when the copyright expires. That's the whole bargain, they get protection against copying and in return the public gets it after X years.)
I don't care if there's a one in a million chance a cosmic ray will hit and fuck the toilet up...it's outer space, it's supposed to be dangerous. Don't spend $35,000 shielding the damned toilet. Sometimes people will die, but I think Challenger proved they could die anyway once you strap them on the back of a apartment building filled with explosives. You can't plan for everything, so stop spending so much time and money trying to make everything perfect, because it can't be.
Under my ideal NASA, twice as many people would die. As less than 50 people have died in the entire history of manned spaceflight, I'm kinda okay with that...they know the risks, and I fail to see why it should be safer than normal airline travel. Hell, more people die each year from getting struck by runaway pianos. OTOH, under my NASA spaceflight would cost a tenth as much, and maybe we'd actually do something with it besides tossing satelites up there.
The Russians do it correctly, mainly cause they have no money. They kept Mir up with duct tape for years.
Um...that's the entire point of copyreight protection. You get a limited monopoly on a product in return for contributing to the public domain. (This is the point of patents also.) People get to look at what you did and how you did it, use it in limited ways for personal use, and only you get to make a profit off it for X years. Then it falls into the public domain.
It really amazes me how many people think the point of copyright is to have authors 'own' their work. Copyright creates an incentive to create, that's the entire point, there is no 'right' to control other people's ability to copy something you originated.
It also really amazes me that people can claim companies should never have to release source. They should obviously have to give up the source after their copyright expires, it's just no software copyright has ever expired.
Dumbass. Why do a good 75% of the people here seem to be missing the fact that the source code would be just as copyrighted as the binaries?
You know, almost no one agrees with you here. You walk into a store and hand them money for a box, you own the box and everything inside it. Copyright law prevents you from making copies of any copyrighted material, like manuals and software, but it doesn't stop you from owning a copy of the manuals and software.
I don't see how they relate at all, except Michael Jordan plays both.
Yes, but than people start thinking I'm talking about other stuff. There's quite a lot people here who aren't programmers and have no idea what other meanings 'atomic' has.
Libraries usually do stock quite a lot of porn, especially the bigger ones. It's usually not out on the shelves, but that's because people keep stealing it. Just walk in and ask if they have it. If you're embarassed, ask for a specific issue and photocopy a random article out of it, so you look like you're actually doing research.
While he's at it, he should tell it to himself. I personally trust myself inplicitly.
But, yeah, it makes it a lot harder. OTOH, exploding pins isn't the 'real' way golf is played, out on a hardtop with only a frisbee, two crappy wooden stick for the pins, and a can of spraypaint to mark one team's foreheads so you can tell them apart. Exploding pins are just a gimmick, and the giant grass courses are pretty silly too.
Seriously, it's a lot more destructive to screw up their database than to stay out of it. If you want to have a lot of fun, get different cards for different things. Do your weeky purchases rotating ten cards, so it looks like you don't purchase hardly anything. Then pick one card and do a few weeks straight, then throw the card away. Mail cards around the country to random friends and tell them to use it. Get fifty cards made out to the same name/address/etc, and purchase one box of cereal with each one. Have one card for the 'ran out of milk' run in the middle of the week, so it looks like someone purchases a gallon of milk every few weeks and that's it.
The more incorrect patterns you can make in their information, the less it is worth. If you get half a dozen friends in on this, it would be fun to try to make them change the layout of the store by always purchasing milk and frozen pizza on one set of cards, and making all your other purchases on another. They might logically conclude that people who purchase frozen pizza always purchase milk, and move them closer.
I mean, seriously, do you think they're somehow going to label junk mail 'six foot two inch male with brown hair and brown eyes, who's in 30060'? I doubt the postal service would deliver that.
I look it up, and you can apparently play bowling either way, although you are correct, it isn't very common. I guess that's just something we do in Georgia. Ah well.
Learn something new every day.
However, they do not have to accept cash in trade, if you do not owe them money. That is not a debt, you do not owe them anything. They can force you to pay in quarters (as, in fact, many candy machines do. Do you honestly think those are illegal because they will not take dimes and nickels?)
Now, if you go and open something on the way to the register, or even eat it, I guess you could legally claim you now owned them money and they had to accept cash. OTOH, they could have you arrested for theft, so it's not a good idea to argue at that point. While many stores will be lax about it, legally, you just damaged their possessions without permission.
There is no 'no turning back' point for a transaction. Either they agree to accept what you are offering, or they don't. You can't trick them into accepting one thing and then replace it with another of supposed equal value. Likewise, they can't accept payment form you, and then tack on an additional charge and force you to pay it. Transactions have either happened or they haven't, there's no middle ground. (Now, there's certainly debatable ground, like if you hand someone cash and the store gets robbed in the middle of it, but that's debating the point the line exists at, not that a solid line does, in fact, exist, where you both instantly switch possessions.)
That is nowhere near direct enough to get someone arrested in America. He not only didn't mention any names, he didn't mention where they were.
Wait, no they aren't.
Don't they have those in normal bowling?
Of course, many Americans mistakenly think this is normal bowling, which is very silly of them.
How many people, when they heard someone was shooting people around DC, wonder who, exactly, was being shot?
While you can argue that that copyright violation is 'theft', it's actually not, it's a 'copyright violation'. They do not own your lack of copying, and when you copy you do not deprive them of this lack of a copy. And draconian copyright laws and restrictions on what you can do with copyrighted material are also abuses of the common, or at least something that's supposed to be the common.
Disney, for example, has managed to steal (The actual meaning of steal, to deprive the rightful owner (namely, the public) of the item.) most of their old movies out of the public domain, while benefiting from the public domain in the first place. Companies that use copy protection of CD are stealing from their customers, depriving them of their legal backup copies.
But, basically, the two things are completely unrelated. it's like saying that someone who's for speeding and against jaywalking is a hypocrite, because both are laws about the streets. Well, no, not really.
Like, on, say, Monday from 4-5 EST.
I don't know.
Um...who says god can't create a world in which god does not exist? Seems that's a pretty large assumption to me.
Um...commercial X servers exist.