> I am fed up reporting bugs to KDE4, because the general attitude is that nothing is broken and that > as a user one should adapt to KDE4's behaviour.
That was the reaction by a particular prominent KDE dev when people told him to make KDE 4 like KDE 3 without quantifying and issues or actionable items. Whenever something concrete is mentioned, people like myself jump on it, triage, and file bug reports. Of course, filing a bug report or feature request should have been the first point of contact for the unsatisfied user.
> The most annoying thing for me is the total nonsense of system monitoring, which was perfect > in KDE3, where you could adapt values, drag&drop sensors, adapt individual colors and select > every imaginable sensor and put it into the panel.
> These days you have very, very limited options, no chance to integrate a remote host via > ssh, have a sensible readout of stuff like network throughput. These graphic representations > are no more than estimates and basically useless for true monitoring.
Usually when Plasma segfaults a crash-reporting dialogue pops up. That would be the best way to report the crash. The dialogue will even help you install debug symbols if you don't have them. That would then be reported right to KDE.
> That specific problem happens on the qalculate plasmoid. If you use a keyboard shortucut to activate > it you'll still have to click on the window to change focus.
In KDE 4.7 I added Qalculate to the panel and set a keyboard shortcut to it from within Qalulate's settings dialogue. Now, typing in Firefox I press the shortcut and Qalculate slides open with the text box focused. I enter my calculation and press enter, getting the result. I now press Esc and Qalculate closes, returning focus to Firefox. I never touched the rodent.
By the way, thanks for introducing me to Qalculate! That is a great plasmoid, I'm leaving it on the panel!
> About that third scenario. It happens on Debian squeeze. If you open a KDE session on more than > one computer (with a shared home), and opens Kmail on one of them, the error dialog appears. Again > I don't know if it's a bug in kmail, or nepumuk (the dialog is from nepomuk). Again, do you get bugs from > Debian's reportubug? Should I file it elsewhere?
Considering the replies here, you might want to rethink that 120 day no-recover delete policy! People associate Gmail and Yahoo with free maybe-works service, but associate Fastmail with more professionalism. Even if it costs another few megs of server space, why not extend that to 365 days and then just tar it to tape or some other long-term storage? At least one AC here would have paid to recover. And I personally _have_ had unexpected circumstances which have left me unable to login to my email for over 120 days, in fact it was just over a year before I could recover. Luckily I personally back up my email, but not everyone does.
The usage scenario that you describe is possible in KDE 4. You can have multiple desktops and configure a keyboard shortcut to switch them. You can configure a keybaord shortcut to switch to any particular virtual desktop. By default, it is Ctrl-FX for virtual desktop X, up to 12. If you have more Function keys on your keyboard, then there is nothing stopping you from going up to 20. You could configure them to be any shortcut you like.
> I can't speak for the others, but even when it's setup to mimic KDE 3.5.x, KDE 4.x still feels wrong. It's difficult > to explain but if it's a problem for you, you know what I mean.
You don't mention an issue that can be fixed. At the exact moment that you feel something is wrong, try to identify what it is. If you do, then post back here or reach me from this form: http://dotancohen.com/eng/message.php
> Well, at 3.5 the plasma environment didn't segfault one or twice when I start my laptop (sometimes locking the X).
Does that still happen? Did you file a bug? It can't get fixed if you don't file it.
> Also, its applications did have a more sane reaction to keyboard orders (like, if it opens a window, let it have the focus).
Can you give an example? I'd like to resolve this.
> Also, I could have more than one KDE session without windows appearing clamming that it couldn't lock a file and closing > the application I'm using (and if I don't press the "proceed" button, I can keep using the app, no problem, except for the window > that stay above it). The possibility of having more than one session open at the same time was the dealbreaker that let me out > of Gnome at KDE3/Gnome2 time (before that I didn't give a dam about what DE I was using).
Again, can you give a usage example? I'm sure that this esoteric usage scenario is not well-tested, so if you are using it then we need to know how it behaves.
It would be awesome if 5.0 were more like 3.5 again (its behaviour and settings), but with the modern graphics features of 4.0:)
You're right! Please let me know what KDE 4.7 is missing for you so that can happen. It's been a good three releases since all my itches have been scratched, but if something is still missing for you I need to know.
I think their staff frequent/., at least they have in the past. I'm not using them yet, but I keep the link handy for the day when I get kicked off my current server.
What bugs? Do you mean the bugs in KDE 4.0? They were mostly gone by KDE 4.2 and KDE 4.x surpassed KDE 3 when 4.4 was released. KDE 4.6 was pure gold and even 4.7 was recently introduced.
Is the POSIX root directory not simply / ? I suppose that the extra dot would then land you right back in the same place, but you wouldn't call the POSIX root directory/. if someone asked where it was.
XHTML, generated by some code I wrote, with hyperlinks and cross references and semantic markup in the code listings generated by clang for [Objective-]C[C++].
The problem is, with an URL like that no jaded/.er will click that link!
Also, adobe. I know in certain places in Mexico, many of the older adobe homes don't even bother with AC, while the newer ones can't keep up with the heat.
The BSA is on their way to Mexico now, thanks. Never mention Adobe.
The temperature of a chunk of ice starts below 32, increasing linearly with time, then it stops right at 32 and stays there until all the ice was melted, when it begins increasing linearly again.
32? Water freezes at 0. Next you're going to try to pull me leg and tell me that it boils at 212, right?
What happens is the following: the thermal energy of the coffee gets absorbed quickly by the material, therefore cooling it down fast from really hot to a lower temperature. The material can store a large amount of thermal energy and releases it slowly so that the coffee stays at a constant temperature for much longer (gizmag article).
Actually, that article specifically mentions that PCMs are currently in use as building materials. Interesting.
But what if this "LiFi" (Did I just coin a new term? I doubt it...) were deployed on airplanes and USB transceivers were sold/lend to passengers, I think that would pretty much end the controversy and debate over in-flight WiFi.
It would also cost money in new equipment, so that's a bonus as well. Anything to get the consumer to pay more, or to make him need something to spend money on.
Prisoner 3: "I had consensual sex with two women, who then met up and withdrew consent after the fact. They only busted me after I leaked crimes committed by the US Army."
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> I am fed up reporting bugs to KDE4, because the general attitude is that nothing is broken and that
> as a user one should adapt to KDE4's behaviour.
That was the reaction by a particular prominent KDE dev when people told him to make KDE 4 like KDE 3 without quantifying and issues or actionable items. Whenever something concrete is mentioned, people like myself jump on it, triage, and file bug reports. Of course, filing a bug report or feature request should have been the first point of contact for the unsatisfied user.
> The most annoying thing for me is the total nonsense of system monitoring, which was perfect
> in KDE3, where you could adapt values, drag&drop sensors, adapt individual colors and select
> every imaginable sensor and put it into the panel.
Please speak up here:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172312
> These days you have very, very limited options, no chance to integrate a remote host via
> ssh, have a sensible readout of stuff like network throughput. These graphic representations
> are no more than estimates and basically useless for true monitoring.
> Oh, yes, I reported this as a bug and the resulting "discussion" was what put me off KDE4 for good:
> http://old.nabble.com/-Bug-216002--New%3A-Useless-display-of-system-load-(and-network-usage)-in-widget-td26502388.html
That looks like productive discussion. Why would that put you off? The devs were very helpful.
Usually when Plasma segfaults a crash-reporting dialogue pops up. That would be the best way to report the crash. The dialogue will even help you install debug symbols if you don't have them. That would then be reported right to KDE.
> That specific problem happens on the qalculate plasmoid. If you use a keyboard shortucut to activate
> it you'll still have to click on the window to change focus.
In KDE 4.7 I added Qalculate to the panel and set a keyboard shortcut to it from within Qalulate's settings dialogue. Now, typing in Firefox I press the shortcut and Qalculate slides open with the text box focused. I enter my calculation and press enter, getting the result. I now press Esc and Qalculate closes, returning focus to Firefox. I never touched the rodent.
By the way, thanks for introducing me to Qalculate! That is a great plasmoid, I'm leaving it on the panel!
> About that third scenario. It happens on Debian squeeze. If you open a KDE session on more than
> one computer (with a shared home), and opens Kmail on one of them, the error dialog appears. Again
> I don't know if it's a bug in kmail, or nepumuk (the dialog is from nepomuk). Again, do you get bugs from
> Debian's reportubug? Should I file it elsewhere?
Go ahead and file it here:
http://bugs.kde.org/
I see that another commenter made a similar observation. I can't triage that but somebody should take a look. Thanks.
> And thanks a lot for the attention.
Thank you for bringing it to my attention!
No, the best joke on /. was when Spirit got stuck in the sand trap and someone suggested that it's designation be changed from Rover to Spot.
Thanks, Bronster.
Considering the replies here, you might want to rethink that 120 day no-recover delete policy! People associate Gmail and Yahoo with free maybe-works service, but associate Fastmail with more professionalism. Even if it costs another few megs of server space, why not extend that to 365 days and then just tar it to tape or some other long-term storage? At least one AC here would have paid to recover. And I personally _have_ had unexpected circumstances which have left me unable to login to my email for over 120 days, in fact it was just over a year before I could recover. Luckily I personally back up my email, but not everyone does.
Thanks, I did not know that. Everything gets spoiled, it seems.
The usage scenario that you describe is possible in KDE 4. You can have multiple desktops and configure a keyboard shortcut to switch them. You can configure a keybaord shortcut to switch to any particular virtual desktop. By default, it is Ctrl-FX for virtual desktop X, up to 12. If you have more Function keys on your keyboard, then there is nothing stopping you from going up to 20. You could configure them to be any shortcut you like.
> I can't speak for the others, but even when it's setup to mimic KDE 3.5.x, KDE 4.x still feels wrong. It's difficult
> to explain but if it's a problem for you, you know what I mean.
You don't mention an issue that can be fixed. At the exact moment that you feel something is wrong, try to identify what it is. If you do, then post back here or reach me from this form:
http://dotancohen.com/eng/message.php
> Well, at 3.5 the plasma environment didn't segfault one or twice when I start my laptop (sometimes locking the X).
Does that still happen? Did you file a bug? It can't get fixed if you don't file it.
> Also, its applications did have a more sane reaction to keyboard orders (like, if it opens a window, let it have the focus).
Can you give an example? I'd like to resolve this.
> Also, I could have more than one KDE session without windows appearing clamming that it couldn't lock a file and closing
> the application I'm using (and if I don't press the "proceed" button, I can keep using the app, no problem, except for the window
> that stay above it). The possibility of having more than one session open at the same time was the dealbreaker that let me out
> of Gnome at KDE3/Gnome2 time (before that I didn't give a dam about what DE I was using).
Again, can you give a usage example? I'm sure that this esoteric usage scenario is not well-tested, so if you are using it then we need to know how it behaves.
Thanks.
It would be awesome if 5.0 were more like 3.5 again (its behaviour and settings), but with the modern graphics features of 4.0 :)
You're right! Please let me know what KDE 4.7 is missing for you so that can happen. It's been a good three releases since all my itches have been scratched, but if something is still missing for you I need to know.
Thanks.
OK, I'll bite troll. What, quantitatively, shucks?
...these guys:
http://fastmail.fm/
I think their staff frequent /., at least they have in the past. I'm not using them yet, but I keep the link handy for the day when I get kicked off my current server.
The bug where KDE still is inferior to GNOME? :P
Oh, that one. I think that the Gnome 3 team is working on that bug!
What bugs? Do you mean the bugs in KDE 4.0? They were mostly gone by KDE 4.2 and KDE 4.x surpassed KDE 3 when 4.4 was released. KDE 4.6 was pure gold and even 4.7 was recently introduced.
To which bugs are you referring?
Is the POSIX root directory not simply / ? I suppose that the extra dot would then land you right back in the same place, but you wouldn't call the POSIX root directory /. if someone asked where it was.
This is /. not c:\
The name comes from the days we would have to say "h t t p colon slash slash slashdot dot o r g". It does not come from the POSIX current directory.
Coding web stuff in Mono? Care to elaborate? What server are you using?
I fold. Nice play!
XHTML, generated by some code I wrote, with hyperlinks and cross references and semantic markup in the code listings generated by clang for [Objective-]C[C++].
The problem is, with an URL like that no jaded /.er will click that link!
It reminds me of Hume.
Hmm, it reminds me of Sextus Empiricus.
It reminds me of Biggus Dickus.
Also, adobe. I know in certain places in Mexico, many of the older adobe homes don't even bother with AC, while the newer ones can't keep up with the heat.
The BSA is on their way to Mexico now, thanks. Never mention Adobe.
The temperature of a chunk of ice starts below 32, increasing linearly with time, then it stops right at 32 and stays there until all the ice was melted, when it begins increasing linearly again.
32? Water freezes at 0. Next you're going to try to pull me leg and tell me that it boils at 212, right?
What happens is the following: the thermal energy of the coffee gets absorbed quickly by the material, therefore cooling it down fast from really hot to a lower temperature. The material can store a large amount of thermal energy and releases it slowly so that the coffee stays at a constant temperature for much longer (gizmag article).
Actually, that article specifically mentions that PCMs are currently in use as building materials. Interesting.
Where are my mod point?!?
Thank you, I have been searching for a site like this for years!
But what if this "LiFi" (Did I just coin a new term? I doubt it...) were deployed on airplanes and USB transceivers were sold/lend to passengers, I think that would pretty much end the controversy and debate over in-flight WiFi.
It would also cost money in new equipment, so that's a bonus as well. Anything to get the consumer to pay more, or to make him need something to spend money on.
Prisoner 3: "I had consensual sex with two women, who then met up and withdrew consent after the fact. They only busted me after I leaked crimes committed by the US Army."
Don't forget, this is Sweden.