I read it a couple days ago on Ars, after following a link on, i think, macnn.com.
Anyway, about the XML, that would be awesome if Linux on other unices could use xml as a standard config layout, however, getting the unix comunittee and alllll its little utilities and unsupported apps etc, to do this would be like trying to move a mountain by blowing on it.
Im thinking of restarting a Operating Environment called HotsOS (hotsos.8m.com) using this technique, plus all the apps would be in pre-compiled java (run about as fast as C++ or Objective-C programs, so dont flame me about speed:P) PLus w/ Java i' have out-of-the-box support for HTML, Networking, CORBA, database interfaces, plus lotsa other stuff:) Anyone like to help?:)
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
> I detest Be's goofy switcharoo on ALT-CTRL and the lack of accelerators on menus.
you can select either Alt or Ctrl as you default meta key, and its persistent throught the whole system. And be apps DO have accelerants (META-Esc takes you to the menu so u can move around it w/ your arrow keys) and are system-wide. Most good apps arent bogged down w/ tons of menus (unless required, like in BeIDE or GoBe Productive or any very complex app), a mistake of many M$ apps (Finder on 98 and Win2K has a HUGE number of menus just littered basically at random around the menu bar)
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
i just dig objective-c more than C++...i find it more elegant and easier to write for and read (comments are alomost unnecessary as the code reads almost like english!) I think most people that say they cant understand it just have to wrap their brains around a few ideas in it, and maybe some not-exactly-C syntax, and they will discover how powerful an OO language it can be:)
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
well i wouldnt call anything about xfm pretty:P motif/lesstif etc is ugly as fuck. I just want my frickin graphics card to run under OPENSTEP 4.2, then I'd be happy (till I had to buy/download another OS hehe - ah well, such is OS addiction). Also, OS4.2 has not vfat fs driver so im stuf w/ fsckin 8.3 till i can find one for it:( Maybe i'll reinstall rhapsody DR2 hehe
sorry, i was spacing there:)
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
>Does this scare anyone else? Since most unix files are not strongly 'extensioned', i.e. sound files aren't always.wav or.au (nor should they be), I'm just hoping these ex-Apple guys aren't trying to impose the creator type mess from the Mac onto Linux/Unix.
well considering the Mac's started using that before MIME types were devised, it id a great job! (was kinda hard to change creator/type w/out RedEdit or Special plugins though) But KDE at least, and possibly GNOME, peeks into the file to determine its filetype, without the need of an extention (like for WAV and MPEG etc, all having common headers), though it supports extenstions too.
>I recently got a macintosh after using linux and windows for years on end, and although it's very pretty and has great content apps, this creator types business has already screwed with me to no end. For the unfamilar: each file has about 8 bytes of information tagged at the top determining the "creation application" and the "type" of file within that application. Like, sound files aren't sound files, they are Sound Designer II files. Really horrible (and confusing) system, if you ask me. Many applications come with a utility to drag files onto to make the files "owned" by that application.
okay its not at the top of the file itself, it in that files resource fork and there ARE plug-ins that are almost as easy to use as remaing the file itself in Finder
>Even though Windows' extension type database isn't *that much* better, it's still loads less confusing. Creator Types wouldn't be as bad if they more or less normalized to MIME types and didn't have all that proprietary app information encoded into it...
it's amazing enough that by Win95, M$ actually decided to use MIME types. I think the lastest few versions of MacOS and Finder (and possibly even older versions) can use file extensions if one is specifed.
BeOS uses MIME types and doesnt require a file extension or resource fork...it stores the info right there in its 64bit, journaling, bad-ass filesystem!:) that would be cool, but most filesystems can handle advanced properties like BeOS files can (you can specify what, if any, properties you want to use, as they can be added or removed at will:) )
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
I mailed the author of that article and informed him/her that he/she was basically totally misinformed about the above-mentioned file manager issue. Unless you dont think GNOME and KDE have fully operational FMs, and I persoanally think they are pretty well done FMs, you cant say they have none. I'm guessing the author has never touched a linux box and was just being a typical journalist.
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
well i was twiddling around with OPENSTEP 4.2 last week, and if you go under WorkspaceManager.app/WM.app/ there are TIFFs that contain all the UI bitmaps (like close boxes, icons, all that stuff) b/c its all loaded at runtime:) Since, as far as i can tell, bitmaps are drawn by abstractions in the APIs that are from DisplayPS (and now DisplayPDF) you could, if the app structure holds from OPENSTEP, replace just about all the GUI elements in there...with a lot of tinkering of course:)
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
someone PLEASE moderate this down, as "Score: -1, Gross as hell" dont go there unless you want to be permanently disturbed
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
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>Sure, the buttons throb to show they're highlighted, but can you tab from one button to the next? in rhapsody you could
>Sure, the dock expands and shrinks accordin to how many items are in it, but can you mount a hard-drive to the desktop? you can make aliases(symlinks) to your desktop
>And what is the use of the dock if there are no names shown there? If I have a dozen command-lines open, how the heck am I supposed to tell which gorgeous 128x128 pixel 'console' icon refers to which? well that can be a tuffy, tho you can always name your terms (in the title bar):) (at least i think you can) also, most mac uses wont be using terms
>This all might be great if you a have a 34" monitor set at 3000x2400 pixels, but all those oversize icons, buttons, widgets &c. sure would eat up screen real estate. Have you yet seen any screenshots of people running 5 or 6 apps at once? well shoot, thats what the single document view button (any window, upper right) is for. besides you can always LAYER your windows:P
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
were you smoking when you invented C++, and where can I get some? Also, I heard you im plemented mulitple inhertiance just to show some people that you could do it? Who we're these people (assuming they we're the TCH-induced faeries and leprachauns)?
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
> "A common man marvels at uncommon things; a wise man marvels at the commonplace." -Confucius
i think it was Lao-tzu actually. Confucius wasn't Taoist, and it doesn't seem to mesh with the confucianist view of a life that required ceremony and ritual throughout the day:P
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
well there are theories that the universe is even larger than that, as space-time expansion is not limited to the speed of light, in which case you could see to as many light years as years old the universe is, there could be quite a bit more beyond that:) what we need is a wormhole telescope, so we could view any part of the universe in now-time
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
To go on a stamp: - The Cure (i like the Cure, im not bashing em) - Micheal Jackson on fire - EmptyV (MTV) logo - a DOS prompt hehe - Madonna - Regan getting shot - Oliver North - Pete Rose (dada dada dada dada BET MAN!) - Iatola Khumani (sp?) - Geroge Micheal and/or Boy George (Boy George Micheal?) - Cindi Lauper - Sam Kinnison - Molly Ringwald and/or the cast of The Breakfast Club - an AIDS ribbon logo (i'm serious this time)
can anyone think of any others?:)
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix "SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
The Apple rom is disappearing. At its largest, it was i think an even MB of code, and it's been shrinking with the newer systems, and MacOS X's kernel should be making only a few if ANY rom calls.
eh? theyre modelling technique is just a bad ripoff of OPENSTEP's InterfaceBuilder app, with none of the really cool things like graphically connecting UI objects to backend objects (literally clicking and dragging)
If I had a floppy drive (which was recently destroyed) I'd reinstall it, b/c yes there are people still writing apps for it, and Objective-C, ProjectBuilder and InterfaceBuilder make life REAL easy for rapidly writing new apps:)
I think that Its still a pain in the ass for people w/ less experience to configure X...i would never have my mom do it, and most people dont know what to do about horiz and verticle refresh rates etc...the caldera 2.2 system installer was better about it all, letting you test modes etc, all in a GUI, but that seems to be the4 exception, not the rule. Even with fewer supported chipsets in OPENSTEP, i had an easier time configuring the display than in X (well in X a few years ago, when my X-perience was lower hehe - pardon the damn pun)
Basically, every configuration panel/app thingy you see in MacOS is designed for simplicity, and if you had a swath of programs like that in a standard distro, X would be less of a pain, and people wouldnt even have to THINK about the fact theyre are running X
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I read it a couple days ago on Ars, after following a link on, i think, macnn.com.
:P) PLus w/ Java i' have out-of-the-box support for HTML, Networking, CORBA, database interfaces, plus lotsa other stuff :) Anyone like to help? :)
Anyway, about the XML, that would be awesome if Linux on other unices could use xml as a standard config layout, however, getting the unix comunittee and alllll its little utilities and unsupported apps etc, to do this would be like trying to move a mountain by blowing on it.
Im thinking of restarting a Operating Environment called HotsOS (hotsos.8m.com) using this technique, plus all the apps would be in pre-compiled java (run about as fast as C++ or Objective-C programs, so dont flame me about speed
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
good to go dude :)
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
sounds cool to me :) if like to see things that are very small *breaks into song*
"It's a great big world and we're all really puny,
We're just tiny little specks about the size of Mickey Rooney"
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
hehe of course i meant Explorer on windoze, not Finder :P I've been thinking about MacOS X a LOT lately hehe
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
> I detest Be's goofy switcharoo on ALT-CTRL and the lack of accelerators on menus.
you can select either Alt or Ctrl as you default meta key, and its persistent throught the whole system. And be apps DO have accelerants (META-Esc takes you to the menu so u can move around it w/ your arrow keys) and are system-wide. Most good apps arent bogged down w/ tons of menus (unless required, like in BeIDE or GoBe Productive or any very complex app), a mistake of many M$ apps (Finder on 98 and Win2K has a HUGE number of menus just littered basically at random around the menu bar)
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
i just dig objective-c more than C++ ...i find it more elegant and easier to write for and read (comments are alomost unnecessary as the code reads almost like english!) I think most people that say they cant understand it just have to wrap their brains around a few ideas in it, and maybe some not-exactly-C syntax, and they will discover how powerful an OO language it can be :)
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
well i wouldnt call anything about xfm pretty :P motif/lesstif etc is ugly as fuck. I just want my frickin graphics card to run under OPENSTEP 4.2, then I'd be happy (till I had to buy/download another OS hehe - ah well, such is OS addiction). Also, OS4.2 has not vfat fs driver so im stuf w/ fsckin 8.3 till i can find one for it :( Maybe i'll reinstall rhapsody DR2 hehe
:)
sorry, i was spacing there
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
oops: " that would be cool, but most filesystems *CAN'T* handle advanced properties like BeOS files can"
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
>Does this scare anyone else? Since most unix files are not strongly 'extensioned', i.e. sound files aren't always .wav or .au (nor should they be), I'm just hoping these ex-Apple guys aren't trying to impose the creator type mess from the Mac onto Linux/Unix.
:) that would be cool, but most filesystems can handle advanced properties like BeOS files can (you can specify what, if any, properties you want to use, as they can be added or removed at will :) )
well considering the Mac's started using that before MIME types were devised, it id a great job! (was kinda hard to change creator/type w/out RedEdit or Special plugins though) But KDE at least, and possibly GNOME, peeks into the file to determine its filetype, without the need of an extention (like for WAV and MPEG etc, all having common headers), though it supports extenstions too.
>I recently got a macintosh after using linux and windows for years on end, and although it's very pretty and has great content apps, this creator types business has already screwed with me to no end. For the unfamilar: each file has about 8 bytes of information tagged at the top determining the "creation application" and the "type" of file within that application. Like, sound files aren't sound files, they are Sound Designer II files. Really horrible (and confusing) system, if you ask me. Many applications come with a utility to drag files onto to make the files "owned" by that application.
okay its not at the top of the file itself, it in that files resource fork and there ARE plug-ins that are almost as easy to use as remaing the file itself in Finder
>Even though Windows' extension type database isn't *that much* better, it's still loads less confusing. Creator Types wouldn't be as bad if they more or less normalized to MIME types and didn't have all that proprietary app information encoded into it...
it's amazing enough that by Win95, M$ actually decided to use MIME types. I think the lastest few versions of MacOS and Finder (and possibly even older versions) can use file extensions if one is specifed.
BeOS uses MIME types and doesnt require a file extension or resource fork...it stores the info right there in its 64bit, journaling, bad-ass filesystem!
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
I mailed the author of that article and informed him/her that he/she was basically totally misinformed about the above-mentioned file manager issue. Unless you dont think GNOME and KDE have fully operational FMs, and I persoanally think they are pretty well done FMs, you cant say they have none. I'm guessing the author has never touched a linux box and was just being a typical journalist.
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
well with gender-bending like that, i guess if s/he isn't naked it doesnt matter. That WAS kinda surprising to find Nuriko was a guy.
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
well i was twiddling around with OPENSTEP 4.2 last week, and if you go under WorkspaceManager.app/WM.app/ there are TIFFs that contain all the UI bitmaps (like close boxes, icons, all that stuff) b/c its all loaded at runtime :) Since, as far as i can tell, bitmaps are drawn by abstractions in the APIs that are from DisplayPS (and now DisplayPDF) you could, if the app structure holds from OPENSTEP, replace just about all the GUI elements in there...with a lot of tinkering of course :)
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
someone PLEASE moderate this down, as "Score: -1, Gross as hell" dont go there unless you want to be permanently disturbed
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
>Sure, the buttons throb to show they're highlighted, but can you tab from one button to the next?
:) (at least i think you can) also, most mac uses wont be using terms
:P
in rhapsody you could
>Sure, the dock expands and shrinks accordin to how many items are in it, but can you mount a hard-drive to the desktop?
you can make aliases(symlinks) to your desktop
>And what is the use of the dock if there are no names shown there? If I have a dozen command-lines open, how the heck am I supposed to tell which gorgeous 128x128 pixel 'console' icon refers to which?
well that can be a tuffy, tho you can always name your terms (in the title bar)
>This all might be great if you a have a 34" monitor set at 3000x2400 pixels, but all those oversize icons, buttons, widgets &c. sure would eat up screen real estate. Have you yet seen any screenshots of people running 5 or 6 apps at once? well shoot, thats what the single document view button (any window, upper right) is for. besides you can always LAYER your windows
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
umm, if you mean top level domain, then youre mistaken : .uk, .de, .au, .ru etc etc etc Most TLDs are 2 letters, just not the non-standard USA ones
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
FUCKIN-A! that was SICK! christ! ewww gag *throw up on keyboard*
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
were you smoking when you invented C++, and where can I get some? Also, I heard you im plemented mulitple inhertiance just to show some people that you could do it? Who we're these people (assuming they we're the TCH-induced faeries and leprachauns)?
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
> "A common man marvels at uncommon things; a wise man marvels at the commonplace." -Confucius
:P
i think it was Lao-tzu actually. Confucius wasn't Taoist, and it doesn't seem to mesh with the confucianist view of a life that required ceremony and ritual throughout the day
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
well there are theories that the universe is even larger than that, as space-time expansion is not limited to the speed of light, in which case you could see to as many light years as years old the universe is, there could be quite a bit more beyond that :) what we need is a wormhole telescope, so we could view any part of the universe in now-time
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
just what i was gonna point out
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
To go on a stamp:
:)
- The Cure (i like the Cure, im not bashing em)
- Micheal Jackson on fire
- EmptyV (MTV) logo
- a DOS prompt hehe
- Madonna
- Regan getting shot
- Oliver North
- Pete Rose (dada dada dada dada BET MAN!)
- Iatola Khumani (sp?)
- Geroge Micheal and/or Boy George (Boy George Micheal?)
- Cindi Lauper
- Sam Kinnison
- Molly Ringwald and/or the cast of The Breakfast Club
- an AIDS ribbon logo (i'm serious this time)
can anyone think of any others?
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
Finally, my .sig is vindicated! :)
:)
Oh yeah, cant wait to see the movie
"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!" - The Tick, The Tick
"Redeyes! Didn't expect to see you so... SPOON!"
The Apple rom is disappearing. At its largest, it was i think an even MB of code, and it's been shrinking with the newer systems, and MacOS X's kernel should be making only a few if ANY rom calls.
"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix
eh? theyre modelling technique is just a bad ripoff of OPENSTEP's InterfaceBuilder app, with none of the really cool things like graphically connecting UI objects to backend objects (literally clicking and dragging)
:)
If I had a floppy drive (which was recently destroyed) I'd reinstall it, b/c yes there are people still writing apps for it, and Objective-C, ProjectBuilder and InterfaceBuilder make life REAL easy for rapidly writing new apps
"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix
I think that Its still a pain in the ass for people w/ less experience to configure X...i would never have my mom do it, and most people dont know what to do about horiz and verticle refresh rates etc...the caldera 2.2 system installer was better about it all, letting you test modes etc, all in a GUI, but that seems to be the4 exception, not the rule. Even with fewer supported chipsets in OPENSTEP, i had an easier time configuring the display than in X (well in X a few years ago, when my X-perience was lower hehe - pardon the damn pun)
Basically, every configuration panel/app thingy you see in MacOS is designed for simplicity, and if you had a swath of programs like that in a standard distro, X would be less of a pain, and people wouldnt even have to THINK about the fact theyre are running X
"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix