OOG makes many valid points in posts here on slashdot, and I believe should replace JonKatz as a featured writer, as OOG seems to be more articulate and clear, unlike Katz.
I agree that basically these internet companies are trying to leach of the consumer without creating any viable technology, simply leaching off the consumer.
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jello biafra rules:) i can remember if it was he or Henry Rollins that got in a huge debate w/ Tipper Gore a while back...i heard it on some college radio station a while ago
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i know its shallow but id like to see screenshots...did they make it a KDE app or did they just waste their time and make it totally inoperable (as far as drag n drop etc) with anything. i mean they even made a replacement to KFM in kde for their corel linux, but who knows, maybe they just did another mow-teefy-looking (my same general gripe about netscape on linux, doesnt cut-copy-paste with anything else (except using the damn middle-click) and it has NO drag n drop support, plus that damn ugly mow-teef look)
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this sounds like a job for...LISP RECURSION MAN! but thats not me, it's someone else, so they'll have to recurse, then they'll recurse the day they started to try to prove this conjecture:)
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took me a while to read all this, pretending to be working and all;) but that was pretty cool! I cant believe ubertroll didnt write this 1st! totalyl silly, and a great take-off/rip on return of the jedi (for what THAT movie was worth)
if anyone has the time, i recommend reading this:)
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yeah well i was using the java vers for linux (for linux meaning that it was launched via a shell script rather than say a batch file:P) it took me a while to find a pre 1.0 vers of TiK but i have the gzip files for it if anyone wants a copy:)
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yeah i use BeOS at home and im loving it:) (though netpositive could use some help!) to install the (RO) linux fs drivers for beos, i unzipped the file, dropped the unzipped files whre the readme said to and then mounted my linux drive:) no fuss, no muss.
i still use linux at werk (i have windows and linux at werk, beos and linux at home) to get things done though.
btw, does anyone know of any good AIM clients for linux? im using the java AIM which totally sux (requirements: must be able to get thru a SOCKS4 proxy).
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>If the signal travels faster than light, wouldn't it get received before it was sent??
probably not:) it takes light 8 minutes to reach the earth, and say u used this and it transmitted at 4c (4 times the speed of light) then you would simply see stuff from the sun in 2 minutes rather than 8
what ACTUALLY happens at super-luminous speeds is theoretical though.
I always wondered...say you have a REALLY rigid pole (please no jokes:P) and it spanned from here to say the Sun, and you yanked on that pole, would the information (the force of the tug) exceed the speed of light or would you have to wait 8 minutes for the opposite end of the pole to move (i think itd be instantanious, for example, spacetime is not bound to 'c') can anyone tell me?:)
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okaaaaaay...i know i got way into that rant, but you know, you just gotta let yourself go and fuck wit da flaimbate:) I kow he was itchin for ppl to respond..so i did:) i have -31 or so Karma (not from trolling, just bad luck hehe) so i really dont care anymore about being marked down:)
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slaves were not owned? excuse me, but i think keeping people (with what we would now called unlawfully) forceablly on a property is called slavery. and bullshit they could just Walk Away. if YOU were a slave and just started walking away, Massa would sick his hounddogs on you, or just shoot your. And the law could not do anything about it b/c youre his property and he can do anything with you he wants... that doesnt sound like slavery?
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thank god that marked as flaimbait! If this person is serious, as they seem to be, he or she is judging my creativity based on the fact that I'm into computers. that, sir (or madam if the case may be), is to PRE JUDGE, ever heard the word PREJUDICE? where do you think it comes from?? I do love a good slick GUI, lots of pretty widgets (Oooo...eyyyecaaandyyyy hehe) but the GUI cant interfere with my productivity. Thats why i generally use BeOS...it's fast, stable, plenty unixy for me:), and helps me GET THINGS DONE. Linux also helps me get things done, mostly Java stuff (Java isnt well supported on BeOS:( ) as well as when I wanna go paint in GIMP or whatnot.
PLEASE [buy/rent/whore for] some clues so you can sem like at least a moderatly intelligent person
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are you for real or just flaimbate? if youre for real, youve posted on totally the wrong forum. Because I'm into computers, I'm not creative? what the fuck kind of logic is that?!?
Because I can use a command line, I suddenly cant write a two-piece ballad for guitar and piano for my girlfriend?
I can't paint or draw or write a novel because I also find elegance in (well-written) computer code? Im afraid you've totally lost any kind of battle arguing that everyone into computers is not creative. Most programs out there would not exist were it not for creativity from programmers, and you would never have any software sound editing tools.
I think Alex Trebeck is offering Clues, why don't you check that out?
Maybe you ought to figure out that things like the DMCA really only protect record companies and their cash flow...any real artists is concerned less over their cash flow and more over the integrity of their art; thats one reason a lot of Linux programs are both free AND high-quality, because these people CARE about what their doing, their not doing it just to pay the bills!
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okay i can see where an artist might like these things, but i have a beef about some of your linux comments: [rant] "I fail to see what this has to do with shareware products like Linux". Linux is not shareware, if anything its FREEWARE, free as in speech (free source code) and free as in beer (costs no $$ to legally obtain). "I once used Linux 6 myself". Linux 6? Perhaps you mean RedHat 6.0, RedHat is not Linux, its just a Linux distribution...they have their own versioning scheme, totally independent of the linux kernel, which has ITS own versioning scheme. "nor understand why anyone would be willing to revert to DOS". LINUX IS NOT DOS!!! just because it has a commandline (optional to use - for the most part anyway) does not mean its some simple-ass command interpreter like DOS is.... Linux has a HUGE plethora (is that redundant?:P) of programs that exploit the power of the unix command line. If youre ever in Linux again, try typing 'ps -ef' (minus the quotes of course) and you will se a swath of programs running, as opposed to DOS which cant naturally handle more than one program at the time. Try reading about Linux and the power of its command line interface:) [/rant]
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while on AIM, I asked my mom what SHE liked in an OS, what made it easy and even pleasurable to use. Here goes: "i want fast on, reliability, easy to figure out operating system, files that don't require me to manually install (like DOS). i like platform compatibility, so i can use PC and mac files back and forth which [Windows] sux at. i like being able to customize my visuals and sounds. i like being able to delete programs easily if i need to or want to. i LOVE the heirarch of files that apple offers, again not on PCs."
"you mean like System Folder etc?"
"yes so i can have files open and be able to look thru the 'pages' or see what other pages are in the folder. the PC drives me crazy with its file system...or lack of it"
she kept going (hehe), but you get the idea...if youve used a Mac (as my mom does) these kinds of things are a breeze, and altho the Mac sure has its faults, and she DOES notice the on and off hang or freeze, she gets a lot of simplicity in it. As far as systems like that, BeOS is probably a close second, which I might install on her system.
She also clearified that Linux GUI designers should do useability testing w/ Average Users (sounds like SUCH a corporate thing to do, but it makes sense).
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poor record companies are sooo pooor, that if you rip CDs onto your drives, the record company presidents will be kicked out of their homes in monte carlo or whereever and forced to live on the street begging for $$ (we all know thats about all they could do besides being a fat-cat).
Bull sh*t! The record companies are basically just leeches on society, making money off of musicians and people who (for the most part) are very talented performers, if not talented artists.
I get most of my music from amp3.com, as they seem to have lots of great indie music (lotsa techno:) )
I wish there was a way to kick the RIAA square in the nads, but I guess laws are the only way
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> Speed? Foundation Kits? java2 seems to have a nice foundation, lotsa stuff to work with, and compiled into native object code would really speed things up.
I have to agree though, that OpenStep, err, Cocoa is very nice, considerable more so than just about anything else I've seen, but many people seem reluctant to use Objective-C (well, apple developers will just HAVE to use it now =] )
swing is what i'd use for any GUI apps, however, and although it's GUI isn't perfect, a lot can be done with it and the stuff I get for free from it sure beats the hell out of developing it all myself:P Besides, although ObjC/Cocoa apps can be on a handful of platfoms, Java is on anything it gets ported to:)
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to continue this thread, I think that there should be a movement to redo the entire filesystem directory in the Linux (and all other unix!) standard. if it was some kind of new POSIX standard, and that you could get all those hard-headed unix companies to go follow it, you could have a much easier to understand and navigate filesystem, and another key to opening the gate into the mass market, so that ppl like my mom wont wonder "So why is there/etc and/usr and/usr/local and all this stuff under there, instead of like on my Mac? Where its System Folder and Applications is about all thats needed"
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Oh i've been screamin for a long time that Linux needs a more modern file system layout. BeOS has I think an even better one (the booted fs is mounted at/boot, and a symlink made to it from whatever the drive/partition name is) and all other FSs are mounted at/(drive/partition name)
there is also a/dev and others such as/etc and/bin are symlinks from/boot/
under/boot is system/, etc/, develop/, and other stuff that has a more modern way of compartmentalizing system files and programs id LOVE to see linux use something like that, instead of just heaping more crap onto /
oh well, we'll see:)
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what exactly is wrong w/ java? its a lot easier to program w/ than C++ and more robust than C. Objective-C is my other fav language, but most ppl seem to ph33r it, for unknown reasons
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OOG makes many valid points in posts here on slashdot, and I believe should replace JonKatz as a featured writer, as OOG seems to be more articulate and clear, unlike Katz.
I agree that basically these internet companies are trying to leach of the consumer without creating any viable technology, simply leaching off the consumer.
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
jello biafra rules :) i can remember if it was he or Henry Rollins that got in a huge debate w/ Tipper Gore a while back...i heard it on some college radio station a while ago
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
d'oh-ith! i just looked at the first link, didnt even see the 2nd one :P
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i know its shallow but id like to see screenshots...did they make it a KDE app or did they just waste their time and make it totally inoperable (as far as drag n drop etc) with anything. i mean they even made a replacement to KFM in kde for their corel linux, but who knows, maybe they just did another mow-teefy-looking (my same general gripe about netscape on linux, doesnt cut-copy-paste with anything else (except using the damn middle-click) and it has NO drag n drop support, plus that damn ugly mow-teef look)
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
this sounds like a job for...LISP RECURSION MAN! but thats not me, it's someone else, so they'll have to recurse, then they'll recurse the day they started to try to prove this conjecture :)
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
took me a while to read all this, pretending to be working and all ;) but that was pretty cool! I cant believe ubertroll didnt write this 1st! totalyl silly, and a great take-off/rip on return of the jedi (for what THAT movie was worth)
:)
if anyone has the time, i recommend reading this
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
yeah well i was using the java vers for linux (for linux meaning that it was launched via a shell script rather than say a batch file :P) it took me a while to find a pre 1.0 vers of TiK but i have the gzip files for it if anyone wants a copy :)
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
yeah i use BeOS at home and im loving it :) (though netpositive could use some help!) to install the (RO) linux fs drivers for beos, i unzipped the file, dropped the unzipped files whre the readme said to and then mounted my linux drive :) no fuss, no muss.
i still use linux at werk (i have windows and linux at werk, beos and linux at home) to get things done though.
btw, does anyone know of any good AIM clients for linux? im using the java AIM which totally sux (requirements: must be able to get thru a SOCKS4 proxy).
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
>If the signal travels faster than light, wouldn't it get received before it was sent??
:) it takes light 8 minutes to reach the earth, and say u used this and it transmitted at 4c (4 times the speed of light) then you would simply see stuff from the sun in 2 minutes rather than 8
:P) and it spanned from here to say the Sun, and you yanked on that pole, would the information (the force of the tug) exceed the speed of light or would you have to wait 8 minutes for the opposite end of the pole to move (i think itd be instantanious, for example, spacetime is not bound to 'c') can anyone tell me? :)
probably not
what ACTUALLY happens at super-luminous speeds is theoretical though.
I always wondered...say you have a REALLY rigid pole (please no jokes
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that MP3 was okay, but check out mp3.com/stev :) the same guy doin the music to parsec (www.parsec.org)...very hot trance stuff :)
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okaaaaaay...i know i got way into that rant, but you know, you just gotta let yourself go and fuck wit da flaimbate :) I kow he was itchin for ppl to respond..so i did :) i have -31 or so Karma (not from trolling, just bad luck hehe) so i really dont care anymore about being marked down :)
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
slaves were not owned? excuse me, but i think keeping people (with what we would now called unlawfully) forceablly on a property is called slavery. and bullshit they could just Walk Away. if YOU were a slave and just started walking away, Massa would sick his hounddogs on you, or just shoot your. And the law could not do anything about it b/c youre his property and he can do anything with you he wants... that doesnt sound like slavery?
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
thank god that marked as flaimbait! If this person is serious, as they seem to be, he or she is judging my creativity based on the fact that I'm into computers. that, sir (or madam if the case may be), is to PRE JUDGE, ever heard the word PREJUDICE? where do you think it comes from?? :), and helps me GET THINGS DONE. Linux also helps me get things done, mostly Java stuff (Java isnt well supported on BeOS :( ) as well as when I wanna go paint in GIMP or whatnot.
I do love a good slick GUI, lots of pretty widgets (Oooo...eyyyecaaandyyyy hehe) but the GUI cant interfere with my productivity. Thats why i generally use BeOS...it's fast, stable, plenty unixy for me
PLEASE [buy/rent/whore for] some clues so you can sem like at least a moderatly intelligent person
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
why thank you :) i sometimes consider a good rant a work of art :)
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
are you for real or just flaimbate? if youre for real, youve posted on totally the wrong forum. Because I'm into computers, I'm not creative? what the fuck kind of logic is that?!?
Because I can use a command line, I suddenly cant write a two-piece ballad for guitar and piano for my girlfriend?
I can't paint or draw or write a novel because I also find elegance in (well-written) computer code? Im afraid you've totally lost any kind of battle arguing that everyone into computers is not creative. Most programs out there would not exist were it not for creativity from programmers, and you would never have any software sound editing tools.
I think Alex Trebeck is offering Clues, why don't you check that out?
Maybe you ought to figure out that things like the DMCA really only protect record companies and their cash flow...any real artists is concerned less over their cash flow and more over the integrity of their art; thats one reason a lot of Linux programs are both free AND high-quality, because these people CARE about what their doing, their not doing it just to pay the bills!
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
okay i can see where an artist might like these things, but i have a beef about some of your linux comments: :P) of programs that exploit the power of the unix command line. If youre ever in Linux again, try typing 'ps -ef' (minus the quotes of course) and you will se a swath of programs running, as opposed to DOS which cant naturally handle more than one program at the time. Try reading about Linux and the power of its command line interface :)
[rant]
"I fail to see what this has to do with shareware products like Linux". Linux is not shareware, if anything its FREEWARE, free as in speech (free source code) and free as in beer (costs no $$ to legally obtain).
"I once used Linux 6 myself". Linux 6? Perhaps you mean RedHat 6.0, RedHat is not Linux, its just a Linux distribution...they have their own versioning scheme, totally independent of the linux kernel, which has ITS own versioning scheme.
"nor understand why anyone would be willing to revert to DOS". LINUX IS NOT DOS!!! just because it has a commandline (optional to use - for the most part anyway) does not mean its some simple-ass command interpreter like DOS is.... Linux has a HUGE plethora (is that redundant?
[/rant]
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
while on AIM, I asked my mom what SHE liked in an OS, what made it easy and even pleasurable to use. Here goes:
"i want fast on, reliability, easy to figure out operating system, files that don't require me to manually install (like DOS). i like platform compatibility, so i can use PC and mac files back and forth which [Windows] sux at. i like being able to customize my visuals and sounds. i like being able to delete programs easily if i need to or want to. i LOVE the heirarch of files that apple offers, again not on PCs."
"you mean like System Folder etc?"
"yes so i can have files open and be able to look thru the 'pages' or see what other pages are in the folder. the PC drives me crazy with its file system...or lack of it"
she kept going (hehe), but you get the idea...if youve used a Mac (as my mom does) these kinds of things are a breeze, and altho the Mac sure has its faults, and she DOES notice the on and off hang or freeze, she gets a lot of simplicity in it. As far as systems like that, BeOS is probably a close second, which I might install on her system.
She also clearified that Linux GUI designers should do useability testing w/ Average Users (sounds like SUCH a corporate thing to do, but it makes sense).
"There is no spoon"-Neo, The Matrix
"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
poor record companies are sooo pooor, that if you rip CDs onto your drives, the record company presidents will be kicked out of their homes in monte carlo or whereever and forced to live on the street begging for $$ (we all know thats about all they could do besides being a fat-cat).
:) )
Bull sh*t! The record companies are basically just leeches on society, making money off of musicians and people who (for the most part) are very talented performers, if not talented artists.
I get most of my music from amp3.com, as they seem to have lots of great indie music (lotsa techno
I wish there was a way to kick the RIAA square in the nads, but I guess laws are the only way
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
arrg. yes i know that ObjC is faster than Just In Time java, but what about compiled? Using GCJ, java code can run at C++ or even C speeds :)
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> Speed? Foundation Kits?
:P Besides, although ObjC/Cocoa apps can be on a handful of platfoms, Java is on anything it gets ported to :)
java2 seems to have a nice foundation, lotsa stuff to work with, and compiled into native object code would really speed things up.
I have to agree though, that OpenStep, err, Cocoa is very nice, considerable more so than just about anything else I've seen, but many people seem reluctant to use Objective-C (well, apple developers will just HAVE to use it now =] )
swing is what i'd use for any GUI apps, however, and although it's GUI isn't perfect, a lot can be done with it and the stuff I get for free from it sure beats the hell out of developing it all myself
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
to continue this thread, I think that there should be a movement to redo the entire filesystem directory in the Linux (and all other unix!) standard. if it was some kind of new POSIX standard, and that you could get all those hard-headed unix companies to go follow it, you could have a much easier to understand and navigate filesystem, and another key to opening the gate into the mass market, so that ppl like my mom wont wonder "So why is there /etc and /usr and /usr/local and all this stuff under there, instead of like on my Mac? Where its System Folder and Applications is about all thats needed"
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
check out post # 20 :)
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Oh i've been screamin for a long time that Linux needs a more modern file system layout. BeOS has I think an even better one (the booted fs is mounted at /boot, and a symlink made to it from whatever the drive/partition name is) and all other FSs are mounted at /(drive/partition name)
/dev and others such as /etc and /bin are symlinks from /boot/
/boot is system/, etc/, develop/, and other stuff that has a more modern way of compartmentalizing system files and programs
:)
there is also a
under
id LOVE to see linux use something like that, instead of just heaping more crap onto /
oh well, we'll see
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"SPOOOOOOOOON!"-The Tick, The Tick
see post 20
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what exactly is wrong w/ java? its a lot easier to program w/ than C++ and more robust than C. Objective-C is my other fav language, but most ppl seem to ph33r it, for unknown reasons
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