I've been running 2.4.0-test8, and most of the 'test' patches have been *big* patches. Along with that, I've also patched in support for reiserfs, arla, and ALSA.
Since the filesystem code has been overhauled somewhat, the first patches I got broke, and I had to fix them; alsa was fine (sound code), reiserfs was fairly stable, and arla was just broken. After waiting a bit longer, I got the latest patches; it all compiled cleanly, and reiserfs is solid, the kernel is a little less stable, and arla is still somewhat buggy, but much improved.
So half the reason for delaying a kernel release is to fix bugs, but the other half is to make sure that everyone else relying on the kernel has time to catch up and write for the new API. OpenWall will have their patch for 2.4 when it's stable, which they predict to be around 2.4.10.:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Of *course* it's bizarre. It's just that your disbelief is supposed to be suspended in sci-fi novels.:)
I suppose it's easier in space when you don't really have gravity in the way, but still... a constant force no matter how far away you are? Weird. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
That is long, rambling, and tangential. I wish *I* got paid by the word.
However, he does have a point or two--this is a big deal, because we'll finally get to leave MacOS behind. Say what you will about MacOS X, whether you like the new graphical interface, or cringe at the thought of taking a perfectly good UNIX and ripping stuff out of it and putting a Mac emulation layer into it instead... It still has to be better than MacOS.
However, I'd rather be waiting for the Radiohead CD.
Also, I think Siggy was right about Steve Jobs being able to get people excited--I wish BeOS could have generated this much interest, considering how cool it is, and how much earlier it was released... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
The specs are nice, I wouldn't mind having a device based around the same card. But I could seriously do without the Macrovision (stupid A/V laws:).
However, my big question is, why can't they make this like a VCR? Does your VCR broadcast your information back to anyone? I didn't think so! Well, now that it's a "computer", why does it suddenly have to be networked? Why do I not have faith in some corporate privacy policy?
I, for one, would pay extra up front to not have my information broadcasted back to people. Really. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I argue that the crappy stories that are accepted lead to the S/N ratio going to shit; if I were actually *really* interested in this article, would I be posting this? Conversely, if there was a good place for us all to really talk about this, would we be posting here? Like I said, the hidden sid's are worthless these days, so lets just get it out.
The anomalous moderation bugs me, but what bugs me more is that there isn't really a good check against this; metamod is broken, too. Also, I wonder where these people get all their mod points; do they just have a few accounts they switch between and imitate "regular slash user" behavior, or do they have scripts to do this now?
The corporate influence might be to blame for some of 1-3, as well; the slash people have known that there are better solutions to these problems; heck, there are better *implementations* out there, too. But do they change this? Nooo...
I think a bit more user control over the submission queue might help, but ultimately I don't think mob rule is really the answer, especially when it comes to moderation. Heck, I'd just be happy with an Everything-like interface to slashdot--recent story submissions, popular story submissions...
Anyone who wants to, feel free to continue this discussion in sid=moderation as well; I'm just not enthusiastic enough anymore to think that slashdot users can make a difference on slashdot.
...Oh, and for anyone who is reading this obscure thread in the article and thinking that it's offtopic, or irrelevant, or wants to post a snotty followup...
FUCK YOU, Go back up to the top, sort at +3, Highest Scores First, Flat, read the first two comments, and then shoot yourself. This is pretty deep into a thread that's already pretty low in this pretty crappy story, so stop reading if you aren't interested, or change the damn channel already and lay off the cheap $3 crack, OK??? --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I think Linux is starting to be the victim of its success. I'm running a box with RH 6.2/7.0 and 2.4.0-test8+reiserfs+arla; some things are stable, and some things are flaky. Most notably, gcc and arla are pretty flaky; 2.4.0-test8 is a little flaky; reiserfs and RH 6.2 are pretty stable. But all the new flashy stuff for Linux starts out at almost Windows-level quality, and sometimes worse. Just look at the history of Enlightenment development--always flashy first and stable later.
I've also been here so long that I've been reading it more out of habit than anything else--actually, check out Siggy's piece at Kuro5hin, and ask yourself when Slashdot has had even 1/4 of the enlightened discussion that they have there, every day.
The emu community hid under a rock a long time ago. I loved Node 99, and after that EmuNews was really good too, I remember I asked slashdot to make a slashbox for EmuNews when slashboxes first came out, but they didn't do it. What is the cool Emulation news site now? I always just search when I'm in the mood, or generally use MAME, MESS, Frodo, snes9x and TuxNES...
Tired of computers? Don't say that!:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Wow, I could have sworn you were doing better than that lately.:)
However, if I had mod points, it'd be the least I could do, provided I could have some of that cheap $3 crack too. The market seems to be flooded with it, lately. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I would have to agree, anyone who can't learn how to communicate with their peers by the time they need to get a job is in big trouble; good communication skills and English would obviously be necessary for a job in America.
For that matter, anyone who sends e-mail with Microsoft Outlook or sends out their resume as an attached MS-Word document, or develops web pages with a Microsoft product without demoronizing it first *definitely* has a problem communicating with the rest of the (not entirely owned by Microsoft yet) world.
Unless, of course, you *like* broken MIME attachments, unreadable bloated binary OLE streams of text with attached random hard-drive contents, and undefined UNICODE characters from non-standard character sets, and pandering unsolicited e-mails, or mistake them for "Innovation"...
Why can't we have a country of standards-compliant people? If we could do that, I'd break ties with Microsoftia, and move to RFCville, right across the way from POSIX-land. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I'd hate to find myself on the wrong side of a 96-1 vote.
Once faced with an up-and-down vote on H-1B visas alone, only one Democrat--Ernest Hollings of South Carolina--voted against the legislation, without citing why.
That poor bastard.:)
Now if only there was a requirement that additions to a bill had to be ON TOPIC! Adding in stuff about immigration in this bill isn't that bad, but when they sneak in random riders about internet freedom and crop subsidies in with legislation about crime legislation or trade agreements... Well, after a while it just gets silly.
The topic should be established at the top, and anything that doesn't fit shouldn't be allowed in the bill. Vote on one issue at a time, guys. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I read the rant on your user page, and I'm sorry you feel this way; I just have one question for you, so feel free to reply by e-mail if necessary.
How did you manage to take this site seriously for so long?
I started trolling with a fake account somewhere around UID# 140,000; all the posts from that account wouldn't easily pass the lameness filter now, but some of them were really quite funny.
OOG THE CAVEMAN is a more successful example of a smart caveman that would be censored by modern-day slashdot, but I'm certainly not taking credit for that one; he's a genius!:)
More recently, I created another troll account that was quite successful, but also rather unfairly moderated down.
Somewhere in between, since Rev told me how well I was doing in 'Fantasy Karma Whore', (I wasn't really keeping track until then, but I was so proud...) I've tried my hand at Karma Whoring lately, just for the love of the game. There's nothing wrong with posting something that's moderately insightful or informative, but you're right, with slashdot it has much more to do with being in the right place at the right time, and getting your opinions seen and making them seem catchy; this is all just social engineering.
However, I've been here since before we had moderation, and I loved the quality of both the news and the discussion; that has done nothing but degrade since I got here, and I don't see it getting better in the foreseeable future. The admins have refused to tackle both the simple problems (eliminating duplicate links, checking their spelling, finding and fixing dead links -- this could *easily* be automated) and the hard ones; (the incredibly broken moderation system, the incredibly broken karma system, and don't even get me started about metamod) slashdot needs to admit it has a problem and ask for help.
So although it's still fun to post here, and every once in a while I'll see a glimmer of intelligent discussion, other sites like kuro5hin and half-empty will definitely be looking up in the future unless slashdot's admins wake up and see what their site has become. And with people like Signal 11 posting to the other sites, well, maybe we'll have some more intelligent conversations and honest opinions for a while, since these are often not welcome here at slashdot anymore.
They're in favor of dragging their feet whenever possible. If they really thought they could win this, they would have been pushing for the speediest trial possible. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Um... yeah. If you say so. Generating the output string, eh?
Ah well, I can still write the other version at my leisure, since your optimized version won't help me figure out the algorithm.;) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Yet another Napster article; nothing to see here. Could we please have that "beaten dead horse" icon for this story?
Again, the record companies don't need more money, they can do that all by themselves. They just want control.
The interesting thing here, though is that the judges sound sympathetic to Napster's plight. The RIAA is making the same tired old arguments without regard to what the law really says, or how Napster really works.
Thanks, Joe; that's also what I've heard from other people. I've lost about 37 points so far; good thing high karma doesn't matter...
I never did code that depth-first approach. I guess I'll see how it's *really* done soon enough, though?:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
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I've been running 2.4.0-test8, and most of the 'test' patches have been *big* patches. Along with that, I've also patched in support for reiserfs, arla, and ALSA.
:)
Since the filesystem code has been overhauled somewhat, the first patches I got broke, and I had to fix them; alsa was fine (sound code), reiserfs was fairly stable, and arla was just broken. After waiting a bit longer, I got the latest patches; it all compiled cleanly, and reiserfs is solid, the kernel is a little less stable, and arla is still somewhat buggy, but much improved.
So half the reason for delaying a kernel release is to fix bugs, but the other half is to make sure that everyone else relying on the kernel has time to catch up and write for the new API. OpenWall will have their patch for 2.4 when it's stable, which they predict to be around 2.4.10.
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Of *course* it's bizarre. It's just that your disbelief is supposed to be suspended in sci-fi novels. :)
I suppose it's easier in space when you don't really have gravity in the way, but still... a constant force no matter how far away you are? Weird.
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I hope you were talking about how mature you weren't being in your original reply. This reply isn't very mature, either.
On slashdot, your glass house has long since been destroyed.
If you don't understand it, please don't reply.
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This sounds *bizarre*.
:)
However, the proof is in the pudding. Since I find it hard to believe everything in this article, I'll wait until 2001 and see if it happens.
If it does, then I'll say "Wow..." again.
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Actually, RMS will be the first to tell you that he had nothing to do with the Open Source movement; he's staunchly behind the Free Software movement.
Of course, a lot of this is semantics, definitions, smoke and marketing anyhow.
Red Hat was probably one of the first "Open Source" companies that both used the words in their marketing material *and* fit the bill in real life.
Personally, I'd have to credit ESR as chief Open Source advocate, and Bruce Perens for the DFSG.
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Hey, at least the link about SAP is in English, eh?
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That is long, rambling, and tangential. I wish *I* got paid by the word.
However, he does have a point or two--this is a big deal, because we'll finally get to leave MacOS behind. Say what you will about MacOS X, whether you like the new graphical interface, or cringe at the thought of taking a perfectly good UNIX and ripping stuff out of it and putting a Mac emulation layer into it instead... It still has to be better than MacOS.
However, I'd rather be waiting for the Radiohead CD.
Also, I think Siggy was right about Steve Jobs being able to get people excited--I wish BeOS could have generated this much interest, considering how cool it is, and how much earlier it was released...
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Sounds like another Tivo waiting to happen.
:).
The specs are nice, I wouldn't mind having a device based around the same card. But I could seriously do without the Macrovision (stupid A/V laws
However, my big question is, why can't they make this like a VCR? Does your VCR broadcast your information back to anyone? I didn't think so! Well, now that it's a "computer", why does it suddenly have to be networked? Why do I not have faith in some corporate privacy policy?
I, for one, would pay extra up front to not have my information broadcasted back to people. Really.
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I argue that the crappy stories that are accepted lead to the S/N ratio going to shit; if I were actually *really* interested in this article, would I be posting this? Conversely, if there was a good place for us all to really talk about this, would we be posting here? Like I said, the hidden sid's are worthless these days, so lets just get it out.
The anomalous moderation bugs me, but what bugs me more is that there isn't really a good check against this; metamod is broken, too. Also, I wonder where these people get all their mod points; do they just have a few accounts they switch between and imitate "regular slash user" behavior, or do they have scripts to do this now?
The corporate influence might be to blame for some of 1-3, as well; the slash people have known that there are better solutions to these problems; heck, there are better *implementations* out there, too. But do they change this? Nooo...
I think a bit more user control over the submission queue might help, but ultimately I don't think mob rule is really the answer, especially when it comes to moderation. Heck, I'd just be happy with an Everything-like interface to slashdot--recent story submissions, popular story submissions...
Anyone who wants to, feel free to continue this discussion in sid=moderation as well; I'm just not enthusiastic enough anymore to think that slashdot users can make a difference on slashdot.
...Oh, and for anyone who is reading this obscure thread in the article and thinking that it's offtopic, or irrelevant, or wants to post a snotty followup...
FUCK YOU, Go back up to the top, sort at +3, Highest Scores First, Flat, read the first two comments, and then shoot yourself. This is pretty deep into a thread that's already pretty low in this pretty crappy story, so stop reading if you aren't interested, or change the damn channel already and lay off the cheap $3 crack, OK???
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I see...
Interesting => Offtopic
Not Slashdot => Troll
Please teach slashbot-speak! RIAA double-plus-ungood?
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I think Linux is starting to be the victim of its success. I'm running a box with RH 6.2/7.0 and 2.4.0-test8+reiserfs+arla; some things are stable, and some things are flaky. Most notably, gcc and arla are pretty flaky; 2.4.0-test8 is a little flaky; reiserfs and RH 6.2 are pretty stable. But all the new flashy stuff for Linux starts out at almost Windows-level quality, and sometimes worse. Just look at the history of Enlightenment development--always flashy first and stable later.
:)
I've also been here so long that I've been reading it more out of habit than anything else--actually, check out Siggy's piece at Kuro5hin, and ask yourself when Slashdot has had even 1/4 of the enlightened discussion that they have there, every day.
The emu community hid under a rock a long time ago. I loved Node 99, and after that EmuNews was really good too, I remember I asked slashdot to make a slashbox for EmuNews when slashboxes first came out, but they didn't do it. What is the cool Emulation news site now? I always just search when I'm in the mood, or generally use MAME, MESS, Frodo, snes9x and TuxNES...
Tired of computers? Don't say that!
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Thanks for the link, that's interesting.
Kuro5hin is what slashdot should have been; we told them what would happen and how to fix it, and they blew us off and told us there wasn't a problem.
And then they wrote duct tape and bailing wire in Perl and called it a day.
Nope, sorry guys, moderation is broken. See?
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Wow, I could have sworn you were doing better than that lately. :)
However, if I had mod points, it'd be the least I could do, provided I could have some of that cheap $3 crack too. The market seems to be flooded with it, lately.
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I thought it was some kind of *really* high-end network benchmarking utility.
Anyhow, the screenshots look really neat. Hmm...
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I would have to agree, anyone who can't learn how to communicate with their peers by the time they need to get a job is in big trouble; good communication skills and English would obviously be necessary for a job in America.
For that matter, anyone who sends e-mail with Microsoft Outlook or sends out their resume as an attached MS-Word document, or develops web pages with a Microsoft product without demoronizing it first *definitely* has a problem communicating with the rest of the (not entirely owned by Microsoft yet) world.
Unless, of course, you *like* broken MIME attachments, unreadable bloated binary OLE streams of text with attached random hard-drive contents, and undefined UNICODE characters from non-standard character sets, and pandering unsolicited e-mails, or mistake them for "Innovation"...
Why can't we have a country of standards-compliant people? If we could do that, I'd break ties with Microsoftia, and move to RFCville, right across the way from POSIX-land.
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I'd hate to find myself on the wrong side of a 96-1 vote.
:)
Once faced with an up-and-down vote on H-1B visas alone, only one Democrat--Ernest Hollings of South Carolina--voted against the legislation, without citing why.
That poor bastard.
Now if only there was a requirement that additions to a bill had to be ON TOPIC! Adding in stuff about immigration in this bill isn't that bad, but when they sneak in random riders about internet freedom and crop subsidies in with legislation about crime legislation or trade agreements... Well, after a while it just gets silly.
The topic should be established at the top, and anything that doesn't fit shouldn't be allowed in the bill. Vote on one issue at a time, guys.
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Bye, bye, Bojay.
:)
I read the rant on your user page, and I'm sorry you feel this way; I just have one question for you, so feel free to reply by e-mail if necessary.
How did you manage to take this site seriously for so long?
I started trolling with a fake account somewhere around UID# 140,000; all the posts from that account wouldn't easily pass the lameness filter now, but some of them were really quite funny.
OOG THE CAVEMAN is a more successful example of a smart caveman that would be censored by modern-day slashdot, but I'm certainly not taking credit for that one; he's a genius!
More recently, I created another troll account that was quite successful, but also rather unfairly moderated down.
Somewhere in between, since Rev told me how well I was doing in 'Fantasy Karma Whore', (I wasn't really keeping track until then, but I was so proud...) I've tried my hand at Karma Whoring lately, just for the love of the game. There's nothing wrong with posting something that's moderately insightful or informative, but you're right, with slashdot it has much more to do with being in the right place at the right time, and getting your opinions seen and making them seem catchy; this is all just social engineering.
However, I've been here since before we had moderation, and I loved the quality of both the news and the discussion; that has done nothing but degrade since I got here, and I don't see it getting better in the foreseeable future. The admins have refused to tackle both the simple problems (eliminating duplicate links, checking their spelling, finding and fixing dead links -- this could *easily* be automated) and the hard ones; (the incredibly broken moderation system, the incredibly broken karma system, and don't even get me started about metamod) slashdot needs to admit it has a problem and ask for help.
So although it's still fun to post here, and every once in a while I'll see a glimmer of intelligent discussion, other sites like kuro5hin and half-empty will definitely be looking up in the future unless slashdot's admins wake up and see what their site has become. And with people like Signal 11 posting to the other sites, well, maybe we'll have some more intelligent conversations and honest opinions for a while, since these are often not welcome here at slashdot anymore.
Mob rule != Intelligent conversation.
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Ah, I remember fondly the days of running netrek on a crappy black and white Mac, drooling at the graphics...
...and it looks like it has only gotten better.
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Yeah, I noticed that later...
:)
Great minds, eh?
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They're in favor of dragging their feet whenever possible. If they really thought they could win this, they would have been pushing for the speediest trial possible.
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Is anyone surprised?
They're using a development version of gcc, for one thing; it complains about all sorts of random things.
I haven't installed it all, mind you, because I just got my system halfway stable with 2.4.0-test8. (with arla, reiserfs, and whatnot...)
There's nothing wrong with being bleeding-edge, but I'm at least waiting for the updates...
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Um... yeah. If you say so. Generating the output string, eh?
;)
Ah well, I can still write the other version at my leisure, since your optimized version won't help me figure out the algorithm.
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Yet another Napster article; nothing to see here. Could we please have that "beaten dead horse" icon for this story?
Again, the record companies don't need more money, they can do that all by themselves. They just want control.
The interesting thing here, though is that the judges sound sympathetic to Napster's plight. The RIAA is making the same tired old arguments without regard to what the law really says, or how Napster really works.
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Hey, don't blame it on the DSP!
I think the same thing when I read what you code in C!
I mean, really, who else does stuff like this?
L[j] = "ZYXWVUTSRQPONMLKJIHGFEDCBA9876543210"[i];
Well, ok, I would, now that I know it's legal...
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Thanks, Joe; that's also what I've heard from other people. I've lost about 37 points so far; good thing high karma doesn't matter...
:)
I never did code that depth-first approach. I guess I'll see how it's *really* done soon enough, though?
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