C-- was somewhere between C and assembler, x86-only, and great for writing demos. ax, bx, cx, dx, et. al. were predefined variables that went directly to the registers, etc., etc.
I remember the "Under 4k Starfield Demo" it compiled.:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Maybe I did come off as being somewhat elitist. Unfortunately, I'm not uninformed here, either. Powerful and easy-to-use in the Microsoft sense of the terms seems to have to do with providing simple scripting functions for dangerous OS-level operations that anyone can get access to...
Also, this seems to be their design methodology. Either that, or they leave that part of the design process up to Marketing or Sales so they can get some coding done, and let Legal take care of the bugs so they can get some more features in. That's the only way I can explain their products without mentioning the phrase "criminal negligence".
I'm sorry I confused you using common terms; I was using the Microsoft Meaning(tm) of those terms.
Hey, a powerful and easy to use language is a GREAT thing. But what's wrong with Assembler? It is at the least very powerful and flexible. Didn't you mean to say COBOL, or DOS Batch files, or machine-code-on-punch-cards, or something?:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Read these, and think "Word Macros", or "ILoveYou"...
..."intended to drastically simplify and speed up software development"...
Good intentions, yep. Sounds about right.
"Microsoft has its own unique programming model with Visual Basic..."
That's putting it mildly.
"Combine it with the Web services (Microsoft) is announcing and you get powerful stuff.
Oh no!
Okay, I'm stopping right here.
Powerful + Easy-to-use => Dangerous
Anything about "Security" has to be marketing. If it's Powerful, and it's Easy-to-use in the Microsoft sense, and on the web... then you're going to be in BIG trouble, Real Soon Now. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I seem to remember it, because it caused some problems of its own.:)
Did it eat itself on Microsoft's site, never to be seen again, much like the Linux version of their NetShow player that I can't find? --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I used to think the same thing, until I saw them contributing to the Wine project. Now they've also put together a great distro (or so I hear) and are bringing new applications to Linux.
Say what you want about their motivations or business savvy; they're definitely contributing, regardless. Wine has gone a long way, no one has forced them to take any patches, but many of them needed to be done. (the "boring" stuff--it might help you run MS-Word instead of StarCraft:)
I'm sure Corel will provide support for their products, too. (now that people charge for that...) Heck, they might do that for their distro, I don't know... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Actually, depending on how you look at it, Corel is doing some of Adobe's work for them.:)
Adobe dropped support for UNIX a long time ago, around Photoshop 3.x
However, Photoshop 3.0 for Windows 3.1 runs beautifully on my Linux box, thanks to WINE. It's really speedy, and I haven't had any problems with it lately.
But, the damage is done, we already have The GIMP, which has great support for.PSD's, scripting, transparent compression, and all kinds of other stuff Adobe missed out on. (how about a decent JPEG encoder? If I'm paying hundreds of dollars, you could at least find one!)
So, the bottom line for Linux will be... sure, you could use Photoshop, but why would you want to?;)
(yeah, I know, Pantone and CMYK support. My mom is a screenprinter. But most people aren't, most of them think they're web developers, and wouldn't know a Pantone Blue from a #0000FF...) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
The only thing worth getting CorelDraw for is the vector editing features, at least on Linux. Maybe it'd be more comfortable or reassuring for the novice, though.
However, I have to thank Corel for their work on the Wine project; things are really looking up there. Although CorelDRAW 9 might not be quite production quality yet because it uses WINE, it would also never be on Linux if it didn't. And it isn't like I haven't seen a "sluggish" or "flickering" GTK application before--that doesn't mean it's GTK's fault! That sort of behavior is as often a problem with the application as it is with the library, and Windows has some very different ideas on how to implement graphics that I'd be happy to deal with just a little flickering for now.
However, chew on this. If this is successful, then perhaps CorelDRAW 10 will be equivalent to--or better than--the Windows version. And if so, maybe all your Windows apps will run natively or get ported to Linux.
All thanks to WINE and Corel.
So I'll think about buying a copy, if I can afford it. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Here's where software projects go when they die...
Most of these don't look too impressive, which is good, because I'd hope the decent software projects could find maintainers. (i.e. Everybody loves Mozilla, DOSEmu 1.0 is finally out now, and Wine got some more developers, thanks to Corel...)
Also, all the games are rogue or nethack based; please add Angband-Tk for Unix to that list, 'cause I want it!;) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Heh heh. Yeah, the cool games would support that too, along with Tandy Sound. Sort of a consolation for owning a Tandy, I guess. (I had an old one with a Monochrome monitor and a 10MB HD...)
Since my 386 got stolen, my XT donated, and my C64 sold, I guess that old SVGA card is my oldest video card...
MEEPT was funny and witty and controversial, and generally entertaining. So much of that is lost now, mostly replaced with lamers. OOG was fun, too, but ever since they started filtering posts in ALL CAPS (not hard to get around, actually) I haven't seen him.
Ah well, enough reminiscing, back to posting.:) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I'm sorry, Mr. Incredibly-Anal-But-Correct Anonymous Coward: what I meant to say is as follows:
1) All interpreted language implementations in this test were slower, often much slower than a compiled C implementation on the same platform.
2) Most programmers tend to assume reasonably optimized interpreters and compilers as tools for their host language. Given the indicated specifications on this benchmark, this seems to be a reasonable assumption. (unreasonable assumptions would include proper tail recursion handling in all cases under C, for instance...)
3) A lot of sleep() calls everywhere under C and not under the other languages would be a false test; also, your feeble attempt at trickery would show using the time system utility, as the actual CPU usage under a reasonably optimized version of a UNIXish Operating System would be much lower than the execution time.
4) A gcc compiled executable runs faster than a gcc compiled interpreter running similar code in this test. There. I said it. What a surprise.
5) Piss off, I'm not in the mood to be this anal over a fine point of nerd language usage, even if I am on slashdot.
I hope that clears things up for you. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Starting DOJ-OS... C:/> DIR Volume in drive C is JANETRULEZ Volume Serial Number is C0ED-BABE Directory of C:/ MICROS~1 6.66E666 01-01-80 12:00a Microsoft C:/> DEL MICROS~1 Corrupt File Microsoft (A)bort (R)etry (I)gnore (F)ail? R Error Reading File Microsoft (A)bort (R)etry (I)gnore (F)ail? I Unprintable Error In File Microsoft (A)bort (R)etry (I)gnore (F)ail? F Error On INT 24 C:/>
--- Some things never change, as much as we would like them to...
Wow, interpreted languages are slower than C! Who woulda thunk it...
I tried to do some ackerman(sp?) tests in several scheme and lisp environments; I ran out of memory for ackerman 6 6 in Chez Scheme (the interpreted version), and had the lisp compilers crash and burn on me (fast, but not really arbitrary precision for the power functions, I guess...)
Oh, and Timothy: leave the Quickies to CmdrTaco, okay? So people can filter the Quickies instead of you? Thanks. --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I probably won't see D2 for a while, but if the merchants still say "What can I do for you?", I'll still say "YOUR MOM!":) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
(it sure beats the CGA card I had for it before, and it plays Lightspeed in VGA!!)
I've been on slashdot easily since before logins, but I don't think I've been on there as long as FinkPloyd, so I hope he's got at least an EGA card lying around. (so he can play Tangled Tales! Rock on!)
And yes, this is proof that slashdot will continue to suck at the regular downward spiral. This merger is probably what MEEPT was talking about, before he went insane or got abducted by his home planet. (read his posts lately, geez...) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I beta-tested and got the retail version of Heroes III, and I've recently finished all the campaigns: it's well worth the money!
I'm probably going to get a Matrox G400 for my next computer, in anticipation of future Linux games, so keep porting them, Loki, and we'll keep buying them.
Now if only I could get FF VII or VIII working, or Ultima IX... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Also, good work posting this at night, you may escape the Evil Romulan Moderators yet.
(Oh NO, they were just cloaked a short distance away! My karma will be gone too, if I can't say anything about "Knives Crafted From Meteorites" in the next 30 seconds!!!)
Um... ummm...
Hey, isn't all the metal on Earth that's heavier than Lead or so from Supernova residue anyhow? Wouldn't that be pretty old too? Actually, isn't it all the same age, and just tossed around for a while longer? Hey, why not harass a comet and sell dirty ice while you're at it? Capitalist pigdogs... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
I say, screw 'em. What a dumb name. We can set up our own @#*( domain servers, to ensure that little kids, Scottish clans, and small countries (who have already sold their TLD's and pocketed the cash) can get their names before the big corporations do. Nyah nyah.
...or, we could just get a monarchy there, and let Al Gore decide! After all, if we let the Slashdot community run this instead, you know Alan Cox and Hemos would be running the show. (darn slashdot polls!) --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Everyone on slashdot should know by now that the penguin/Tux/flightless bird and Daemon/devil/beatific background process are by now.
If it bugs you, well, go hit your head into a wall a few times. Because that's what I do every time someone points out a stupid correction to some commonly-used slang for an informal mascot that we all already know about in the first place.
Can I read slashdot with -Wall -pedantic disabled now, or do I have to recompile with -DNOT_ANAL -DNO_MORONS too? --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Actually, I know MacOS *and* Windows pretty well. I believed I mentioned that there are multiple, different ways to do the same thing.
In Windows, you'd right-click the background and go to "Properties", and it magically gives you the Display Properties. Is this "Intuitive"? Maybe if you knew to right-click.
On the Macintosh, *if* you see a Control Strip in the bottom left-hand corner of the screen (if it's there), or a little tab, and you click on it, and it zooms out to the right, and you figure out what the little pictures represent, then yes, you can change the resolution there, too. I believe they first included that thing on laptops, and it wormed its way into regular MacOS on the desktop. But you can't rely on it always being there, *or* in the same place, because it's "customizable". If you put it wherever it is, that's fine. Otherwise, well, you'll have to figure it out...
The mechanism I described in my post is fairly consistent on *two* platforms, which is impressive. (or shows just how much Windows copied MacOS...:)
I never mentioned that a MacOS user should resort to keyboard controls, although often they have to. Many's the time when I've had to force-quit a program, yea even the Finder, and had MacOS hang on me. More's the pity.
Here's something non-intuitive for you: how do you turn off a Mac? I was *so* confused when I first found a Mac that didn't have a power button. It was even worse when I got it into DOS mode (it had a separate Pentium chip in it, to run Windows) and couldn't get info on how to get back. The "Quick Reference Guide" wasn't any help. I pulled the plug on it, and it bitched at me. Later, I found out that that particular Mac powers down by pressing the power button on the keyboard, and only if it wants to!!! (therefore, even knowing that button *was* the power button wouldn't have helped me any in DOS-mode...)
To this day, I hate soft power buttons on any computer, and power buttons on the keyboard triply so. The Macintosh is a tribute to inconsistent design and marketing, at both the hardware and the software level. The software sucks, the hardware configuration is funky, the actual hardware is pretty good, and the package is overpriced. Yay, Apple.
Darwin even has some Open-Source licensing. I would rather have something Unix-y than MacOS any day. Segmented memory architectures should already have gone the way of the Dodo, when better alternatives have been available for so long.
Now... next time, before you flame someone, do a little research. Please, don't make assumptions outside of the information in the post! It would be hard to defame the name "Anonymous Coward" much more, but you're not helping... --- pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
Slashdot Mirror
C-- exists, is old, and is not by Microsoft.
:)
I bet this "C--" just stole the name.
C-- was somewhere between C and assembler, x86-only, and great for writing demos. ax, bx, cx, dx, et. al. were predefined variables that went directly to the registers, etc., etc.
I remember the "Under 4k Starfield Demo" it compiled.
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Wow, Enoch Root! I haven't seen you in a while...
:)
Maybe I did come off as being somewhat elitist. Unfortunately, I'm not uninformed here, either. Powerful and easy-to-use in the Microsoft sense of the terms seems to have to do with providing simple scripting functions for dangerous OS-level operations that anyone can get access to...
Also, this seems to be their design methodology. Either that, or they leave that part of the design process up to Marketing or Sales so they can get some coding done, and let Legal take care of the bugs so they can get some more features in. That's the only way I can explain their products without mentioning the phrase "criminal negligence".
I'm sorry I confused you using common terms; I was using the Microsoft Meaning(tm) of those terms.
Hey, a powerful and easy to use language is a GREAT thing. But what's wrong with Assembler? It is at the least very powerful and flexible. Didn't you mean to say COBOL, or DOS Batch files, or machine-code-on-punch-cards, or something?
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Read these, and think "Word Macros", or "ILoveYou"...
..."intended to drastically simplify and speed up software development"...
Good intentions, yep. Sounds about right.
"Microsoft has its own unique programming model with Visual Basic..."
That's putting it mildly.
"Combine it with the Web services (Microsoft) is announcing and you get powerful stuff.
Oh no!
Okay, I'm stopping right here.
Powerful + Easy-to-use => Dangerous
Anything about "Security" has to be marketing. If it's Powerful, and it's Easy-to-use in the Microsoft sense, and on the web... then you're going to be in BIG trouble, Real Soon Now.
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I think you were looking for >this page</A>.
Windows 3.1:
#include <windows.h>
int PASCAL WinMain(HINSTANCE, HINSTANCE, LPSTR, int)
{
return MessageBox(NULL, "Hello World", "", MB_OK);
}
Windows 95/NT:
#include <windows.h>
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
return MessageBox(NULL, "Hello, world!", "", MB_OK);
}
Compare to Motif:
#include <ltXm/XmAll.h>
void main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
Widget toplevel, main_w, button;
XtAppContext app;
XtSetLanguageProc(NULL, NULL, NULL);
toplevel = XtVaAppInitialize(&app, "main", NULL, 0,
&argc, argv, NULL, NULL);
main_w = XtVaCreateManagedWidget("main_w", xmMainWindowWidgetClass,
toplevel, XmNscrollingPolicy,
XmAUTOMATIC, NULL);
button = XtVaCreateWidget("Hello World", xmLabelWidgetClass, main_w, NULL);
XtManageChild(button);
XtRealizeWidget(toplevel);
XtAppMainLoop(app);
}
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Actually, wasn't there a USB update for W95OSR2?
:)
I seem to remember it, because it caused some problems of its own.
Did it eat itself on Microsoft's site, never to be seen again, much like the Linux version of their NetShow player that I can't find?
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I used to think the same thing, until I saw them contributing to the Wine project. Now they've also put together a great distro (or so I hear) and are bringing new applications to Linux.
:)
Say what you want about their motivations or business savvy; they're definitely contributing, regardless. Wine has gone a long way, no one has forced them to take any patches, but many of them needed to be done. (the "boring" stuff--it might help you run MS-Word instead of StarCraft
I'm sure Corel will provide support for their products, too. (now that people charge for that...) Heck, they might do that for their distro, I don't know...
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Actually, depending on how you look at it, Corel is doing some of Adobe's work for them. :)
.PSD's, scripting, transparent compression, and all kinds of other stuff Adobe missed out on. (how about a decent JPEG encoder? If I'm paying hundreds of dollars, you could at least find one!)
;)
Adobe dropped support for UNIX a long time ago, around Photoshop 3.x
However, Photoshop 3.0 for Windows 3.1 runs beautifully on my Linux box, thanks to WINE. It's really speedy, and I haven't had any problems with it lately.
But, the damage is done, we already have The GIMP, which has great support for
So, the bottom line for Linux will be... sure, you could use Photoshop, but why would you want to?
(yeah, I know, Pantone and CMYK support. My mom is a screenprinter. But most people aren't, most of them think they're web developers, and wouldn't know a Pantone Blue from a #0000FF...)
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The only thing worth getting CorelDraw for is the vector editing features, at least on Linux. Maybe it'd be more comfortable or reassuring for the novice, though.
However, I have to thank Corel for their work on the Wine project; things are really looking up there. Although CorelDRAW 9 might not be quite production quality yet because it uses WINE, it would also never be on Linux if it didn't. And it isn't like I haven't seen a "sluggish" or "flickering" GTK application before--that doesn't mean it's GTK's fault! That sort of behavior is as often a problem with the application as it is with the library, and Windows has some very different ideas on how to implement graphics that I'd be happy to deal with just a little flickering for now.
However, chew on this. If this is successful, then perhaps CorelDRAW 10 will be equivalent to--or better than--the Windows version. And if so, maybe all your Windows apps will run natively or get ported to Linux.
All thanks to WINE and Corel.
So I'll think about buying a copy, if I can afford it.
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Who's the white writin' geek that's a superstar to all the freaks?
KATZ!
Darn right!
Who is the man that would write a book for his brother man?
KATZ!
Can you dig it?
Who's the cat that won't stop yakkin' when there's evil people hackin'?
KATZ!
Right On!
They say this cat Katz is a bad writer...
SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
I'm only talkin' 'bout Katz.
THEN WE CAN DIG IT!
He's a complicated man but no one understands him like his fan club.
JOHN KATZ!
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How did you find out about my She-Hulk collection!!!
Oh well, you know this wouldn't affect Captain Kirk: he's got that fetish for blue women...
So where's the web filter that filters out stupid e-censorship ideas?
Oh. It filtered itself. Never mind...
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Here's where software projects go when they die...
;)
Most of these don't look too impressive, which is good, because I'd hope the decent software projects could find maintainers. (i.e. Everybody loves Mozilla, DOSEmu 1.0 is finally out now, and Wine got some more developers, thanks to Corel...)
Also, all the games are rogue or nethack based; please add Angband-Tk for Unix to that list, 'cause I want it!
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What the man is trying to say is, you can install Linux on one of these things.
NOT that Compaq can do it for you. Do-it-yourself.
Shouldn't be too hard, as it runs on a StrongArm...
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Heh heh. Yeah, the cool games would support that too, along with Tandy Sound. Sort of a consolation for owning a Tandy, I guess. (I had an old one with a Monochrome monitor and a 10MB HD...)
:)
Since my 386 got stolen, my XT donated, and my C64 sold, I guess that old SVGA card is my oldest video card...
MEEPT was funny and witty and controversial, and generally entertaining. So much of that is lost now, mostly replaced with lamers. OOG was fun, too, but ever since they started filtering posts in ALL CAPS (not hard to get around, actually) I haven't seen him.
Ah well, enough reminiscing, back to posting.
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I'm sorry, Mr. Incredibly-Anal-But-Correct Anonymous Coward: what I meant to say is as follows:
1) All interpreted language implementations in this test were slower, often much slower than a compiled C implementation on the same platform.
2) Most programmers tend to assume reasonably optimized interpreters and compilers as tools for their host language. Given the indicated specifications on this benchmark, this seems to be a reasonable assumption. (unreasonable assumptions would include proper tail recursion handling in all cases under C, for instance...)
3) A lot of sleep() calls everywhere under C and not under the other languages would be a false test; also, your feeble attempt at trickery would show using the time system utility, as the actual CPU usage under a reasonably optimized version of a UNIXish Operating System would be much lower than the execution time.
4) A gcc compiled executable runs faster than a gcc compiled interpreter running similar code in this test. There. I said it. What a surprise.
5) Piss off, I'm not in the mood to be this anal over a fine point of nerd language usage, even if I am on slashdot.
I hope that clears things up for you.
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Starting DOJ-OS...
C:/> DIR
Volume in drive C is JANETRULEZ
Volume Serial Number is C0ED-BABE
Directory of C:/
MICROS~1 6.66E666 01-01-80 12:00a Microsoft
C:/> DEL MICROS~1
Corrupt File Microsoft
(A)bort (R)etry (I)gnore (F)ail? R
Error Reading File Microsoft
(A)bort (R)etry (I)gnore (F)ail? I
Unprintable Error In File Microsoft
(A)bort (R)etry (I)gnore (F)ail? F
Error On INT 24
C:/>
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Some things never change, as much as we would like them to...
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Wow, interpreted languages are slower than C! Who woulda thunk it...
I tried to do some ackerman(sp?) tests in several scheme and lisp environments; I ran out of memory for ackerman 6 6 in Chez Scheme (the interpreted version), and had the lisp compilers crash and burn on me (fast, but not really arbitrary precision for the power functions, I guess...)
Oh, and Timothy: leave the Quickies to CmdrTaco, okay? So people can filter the Quickies instead of you? Thanks.
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I loved the merchants in Diablo...
:)
I probably won't see D2 for a while, but if the merchants still say "What can I do for you?", I'll still say "YOUR MOM!"
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Shut up, man, I've got one of those in my 286!
(it sure beats the CGA card I had for it before, and it plays Lightspeed in VGA!!)
I've been on slashdot easily since before logins, but I don't think I've been on there as long as FinkPloyd, so I hope he's got at least an EGA card lying around. (so he can play Tangled Tales! Rock on!)
And yes, this is proof that slashdot will continue to suck at the regular downward spiral. This merger is probably what MEEPT was talking about, before he went insane or got abducted by his home planet. (read his posts lately, geez...)
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I beta-tested and got the retail version of Heroes III, and I've recently finished all the campaigns: it's well worth the money!
I'm probably going to get a Matrox G400 for my next computer, in anticipation of future Linux games, so keep porting them, Loki, and we'll keep buying them.
Now if only I could get FF VII or VIII working, or Ultima IX...
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Excellent, my man, simply excellent.
Also, good work posting this at night, you may escape the Evil Romulan Moderators yet.
(Oh NO, they were just cloaked a short distance away! My karma will be gone too, if I can't say anything about "Knives Crafted From Meteorites" in the next 30 seconds!!!)
Um... ummm...
Hey, isn't all the metal on Earth that's heavier than Lead or so from Supernova residue anyhow? Wouldn't that be pretty old too? Actually, isn't it all the same age, and just tossed around for a while longer? Hey, why not harass a comet and sell dirty ice while you're at it? Capitalist pigdogs...
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That's right, it's all Army of Darkness, baby!
What a wonderfully horrible movie; I just got it on VHS the other day.
Hey Apogee: "You got real ugly, real fast."
I can't buy your games anyhow; they don't have them at my local S-Mart!
"Shop smart; shop S-Mart."
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Sour grapes, anyone?
Who wants to get elected?
"I think ICANN, I think ICANN"...
I say, screw 'em. What a dumb name. We can set up our own @#*( domain servers, to ensure that little kids, Scottish clans, and small countries (who have already sold their TLD's and pocketed the cash) can get their names before the big corporations do. Nyah nyah.
...or, we could just get a monarchy there, and let Al Gore decide! After all, if we let the Slashdot community run this instead, you know Alan Cox and Hemos would be running the show. (darn slashdot polls!)
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Just a minor clarification:
Everyone on slashdot should know by now that the penguin/Tux/flightless bird and Daemon/devil/beatific background process are by now.
If it bugs you, well, go hit your head into a wall a few times. Because that's what I do every time someone points out a stupid correction to some commonly-used slang for an informal mascot that we all already know about in the first place.
Can I read slashdot with -Wall -pedantic disabled now, or do I have to recompile with -DNOT_ANAL -DNO_MORONS too?
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Actually, I know MacOS *and* Windows pretty well. I believed I mentioned that there are multiple, different ways to do the same thing.
:)
In Windows, you'd right-click the background and go to "Properties", and it magically gives you the Display Properties. Is this "Intuitive"? Maybe if you knew to right-click.
On the Macintosh, *if* you see a Control Strip in the bottom left-hand corner of the screen (if it's there), or a little tab, and you click on it, and it zooms out to the right, and you figure out what the little pictures represent, then yes, you can change the resolution there, too. I believe they first included that thing on laptops, and it wormed its way into regular MacOS on the desktop. But you can't rely on it always being there, *or* in the same place, because it's "customizable". If you put it wherever it is, that's fine. Otherwise, well, you'll have to figure it out...
The mechanism I described in my post is fairly consistent on *two* platforms, which is impressive. (or shows just how much Windows copied MacOS...
I never mentioned that a MacOS user should resort to keyboard controls, although often they have to. Many's the time when I've had to force-quit a program, yea even the Finder, and had MacOS hang on me. More's the pity.
Here's something non-intuitive for you: how do you turn off a Mac? I was *so* confused when I first found a Mac that didn't have a power button. It was even worse when I got it into DOS mode (it had a separate Pentium chip in it, to run Windows) and couldn't get info on how to get back. The "Quick Reference Guide" wasn't any help. I pulled the plug on it, and it bitched at me. Later, I found out that that particular Mac powers down by pressing the power button on the keyboard, and only if it wants to!!! (therefore, even knowing that button *was* the power button wouldn't have helped me any in DOS-mode...)
To this day, I hate soft power buttons on any computer, and power buttons on the keyboard triply so. The Macintosh is a tribute to inconsistent design and marketing, at both the hardware and the software level. The software sucks, the hardware configuration is funky, the actual hardware is pretty good, and the package is overpriced. Yay, Apple.
Darwin even has some Open-Source licensing. I would rather have something Unix-y than MacOS any day. Segmented memory architectures should already have gone the way of the Dodo, when better alternatives have been available for so long.
Now... next time, before you flame someone, do a little research. Please, don't make assumptions outside of the information in the post! It would be hard to defame the name "Anonymous Coward" much more, but you're not helping...
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