I am officaly decalring this sentence a Eringestably sentence, full of all the things all right thinking critics would classify as belonging to such a school.
Now I officaly decalre this sentence a PostEringestably sentence...because, well, because it came after the other one.
A scholarly sounding thesis and five 8 part books of critisism will follow ----------------------------------------------
Folks, just say no to the POstPReAntIPro syndrome of literature. Look back onthe years and decades of this blah blah blah and realise its full of sound and fury signifying monkey.
Devoid of anything interesting to say many great authors and more worthless critics will drege up this tired old chestnut to make print. Its all about seeing one self look semi intelligent now and again.
File under Masterbation
(thinks to self waits for applause, not even a sausge)
I thik using IRC as a testbed for testing this would be great.
Have the applicants join on a channel thats used a bit, say #hotjaurez or #3l3tn3ss and see how it fares in converstaion. Then have them , with nick changes, move over to a more constrained channle, like #mindvox or #youngpoetsinheat.
The truck would not only to be able to pickout the bots, but to pick out the humans as well.
Im bettng the bots would have better cahnce of being dubbed Human than many of the genetic slush bags.
Now playing on WSMF shoutcast stream, 60 hours of Goon shows, played in order of thier broadcast avialable for the next 4 or 5 days at least.
Listen to the folks Monty Python cite as being one of thier inspirations.
Web to www.live365.com and head over to the Talk section. or tune in with your shout/ice cast capable listener to 216.32.166.89:32024 Theres roomfor 100 listeners, so fill up the slots.
To capture these streams for your very own use Winamp 2.09 or earlier and set up the Save Stream option. Other methods can apply, your milage may vary.
As if yesterdays travesty in reporting on tech wasn't enough we now have a second day oj Jon "I want to control it all" Katz come at us. What is great solution to his problem?
KONTROL
"Intervention Software isn't a fantasy. It's a practical possibility with the advent of intuitive software technology and AI computing advances. "
Jon Katz wants to filter your world. To save your poor little pea brain he is now going to set the standards so that you never again need to worry about a headache. In his quest to quiet the voices in his head Katz is willing to lobotomize a large chunk of the little he has.
The only difference between Jon Katz and the folks in the Congress looking to filter kids, "For their own good", is that we are stuck with Katz on slashdot and not voting on legislation. Yet.
Clotho is example, but the function is all too clear. Imposed limits on exploration, mediocrity so that every one has the same playing field, the squelching of excelling or excellence. This is much like the system in a few Kurt Vonnegut books. Fast runners will need to wear leg weights, good singers would need to sing through bad mikes, the smart will be mad dumb, and now the net will be made into a pabulum of easily digested sameness.
It is the final call to arms not of a Geek Nation, but its mortal enemy, The Mediocre Nation.
The best filter I can think of is my mind. I have some helpers, junk busters, mail filters, some news groups, moderated email groups. At the end of the day though there is no substitute for the human brain your born with. Making INFORMED filters from choices borne of intelligence is one thing, sheeple using pre-canned happy filters to make the bad noises stop is not.
What we have outlined here is a cop out for any half way thoughtful human. It speaks to the lazy reliance on other minds to make up yours for you. Katz wants to employ these mental saving devices not to build up intelligent agents but to close off venues of information.
Katz uses Ludites as if they are a group to be listened to. They are not. Those who live in fear and ignorance need to be show the reason. If they then fail to act on that reason, whether pro or con, they are to be pitied as evolutionary throw backs. You don't raise a self imposed mental midget to a standing of setting policy or dictating the progress. Relegated to the clean safe rubber rooms of the happy farms they can live out their live in self imposed ignorance. Hopefully they can be potty trained, probably not but it would cut down on the maintenance costs.
Their patron saint is Jon Katz, the now Proclaimed Hero of the Losers. With these two articles out in the open he can now finally be seen to hold no care for Geeks other than to filter them out of his life. His articles are null and void. The ideas in them may hold some worth once they are taken out of the context of his name, but with the name attached they are no more than false shadows of ignorance.
Which equtes JK with being a newibe amature himself. Given the last dozen or so posst from him, can this be said to be proven false?
Rather it would seem his posting and sources point out some of the very core problems with his thinking.
If you remeber back to his Blair Witch Project article he lays on heavy about Indi Cinema while short changing some of the greatest works done in the last 5 years out of, what seems at best to be, ignorance.
Looking for JK to use relevant sources is like looking for lemonade drikinge non smokers at teh Space Room.
Latz's "No one is to blame" attitude seems to fall well in the camp of the latter day saints of Pomo Shmos who see all the wrongs and rights as a matter of little concern.
Blame is for those who have differing opinions , those who dont hold to the central dogma. thus Blame is a weapon that cant backfire, since it has no value in the system other than to cast outwards.
If nothing is to blame, and no one who follows the dogma is ever held accountable, thenit must be the OTHERS, ThEM, who are at fault.
Simply put its a 4 year old's mental state thats been used for over 20 years and now has a PhD's stamp of approval.
Im rubber and your glue what ever you say bounces off me and sticks to you
First off, Sun is a for profit company. Can you image a for profit company NOT pulling MS style tactics? Of course nto, its how they make profit.
Second, any one touting SUN as the great liberator from MS is about as washed up silly as the standard MSheeple saying that they have no problems.
Third, have you used star office and compared it to MS Office? Most folks have not, and after doing so need to resort to name calling and rhetoric waving as thier only resort to looking like an idiot for endorsing Star OFfice.
Fourth, When this all gets out to teh consumer public, do you really want to be a supporter for that level of hype? Do you really want your name attached with either side of the media mess?
That leaves most of us holding the bag, confronted with two noxious choices: to fall back with the hare-brained Luddites who want to return to the sylvan forests, or to follow the Techno-Utopians on their runaway CyberBinge
And here we see it, in the stark black and white of truth...Jon Katz is no freind to slash dot, hes no seer of the way or a guide of the day. Hes a snivling scared child who sees the potetnial of all this around him and is afraid, mortaly afraid, of the power he can never control.
Katz, and those of his mindset, are not into advocating the possibilites of tech or the geek mindset of exploration, they seeking to slow it down, chain it up, and hobble its progress so that the mediocre will not feel threatened by it.
The potential of the tech today is scary, it has a potential for great things, both evil and good. Does this mean we cower back from it, lay ourselves has helpless on its altar screaming "Do not crush us oh great cuthulian godhead"?
NO
We take the example of folks like TimBL, of Wozniak, of PARC, or MIT labs, of the hundereds of developers and creatotrs of Linux and countless other programs and systems.
In short we grasp firmt he contols and navigate or ships across this vast ocean of discovery. Yes the waves will roll high and the weather may turn foul, but with a clear mind and a firm understanding we will make our way forward and NOT fall off the edge of the world.
Jon Katz and the FLat Web Society need to go cower in a nice cave and leave the exploration and discovery to those that can handel it. They will come crawling out of thier caves when the hard work is done and the way has been paved.
Look at Jon Katz's writtings of the last few years. It is all there to see. he waits for the way to be paved and the safe houses made..THEN he struts in and proclaims himself a seer of the future. He leads the tourists buses thru the creations and nods at each site as if to say "my hands did hew these once rough rocks to tower so high"
In this age of exploration there is no doubt we will have detractors and soldiers of mediocracy to hold back the progress.
Once we had the Inquistion, burning and torturing all that was unkown to them. We have had the Dark ages and its supporters. We have had Churches and Religious Instituions hampering anything that would detract from its glory. We have had Political Correct Facists and Concerned Parents seeking to control that which did not conform to thier Barneyeqsue view of the world.
Now we have the updated version, The Lucid Ludite, the Concerened Powerless, the Saviour of the Mediocre..Yes Jon Katz is no Cyber Spokesperson..he is the Salieri to the genius of the Net's Mozarts.
The best and only way to counter his brand of retarded developement is to SHINE SHINE SHINE on , to blot out his limp mediocracy with brillant progression.
The war of ignorance is never over, the soldiers of stupiity never truly vanquished. So long as there is a force that counters its dark regression we are and shall ever more be victrious.
you got to be kidding. SOme idleminded fool thinks that admentment is Trollage or flame bait? That goes a logn way into understanding why people are so easily swayed by McCains rhetoric and not his actions. When folks start dismissing the core rules as irrelevant is when we have goen so far as to be deeep in the lands of ignorance. Ill take the -1 not as a sign that the post was not valid, but that the reviewer has little grasp on the foundations of the US system.
"we don't even NEED public schools. As a product of private schools, I am living proof. "
Let me get this straight: because YOU were a product of private schools, we (or anyone else subject to the American system) don't even need public schools.
Are you saying that only those people whose parents can afford to get them a private education actually need one? Or that everyone can make do with a private education at your school as long as it deigns to let them in?
I'm not sure what your private school taught you, but I can point out several things you might perchance go back and learn: Compassion - Jesus said, "that which you have done unto the least of mine, you do unto me." A society's degree of civilization is largely determined by the quality of life of its poorest citizens.
The 14th Amendment to the Constitution, Section 1. This has been used not only to establish the right to public education, but to enforce equal funding between the rich and the poor school districts. As a citizen (I'm presuming of the US), the government has the right to charge you money for the services it provides. Many more and wiser people than you have decided that educating our youth is a state need in order to train them to become proper citizens. They're correct. You'd do well to understand that.
The Declaration of Independence, which says in part that all men are created equal, and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Education, even for those who can't afford it, is absolutely necessary for citizens to live, be free, and pursue happiness in America.
A Basic Logic Class, starting with the premise that you are not the only person on the planet who is 'entitled' to anything.
Frankly, I don't know whether to blame you, your parents, or your school, for your selfish and poor attitude. Regardless of how you feel about taxing the Internet, you're not making anyone very proud to be American.
What we need to have one line, ala Thomas, is a list of folks seeking our vote and where they stand on the net in ACTION, not jsut in Word. (does this already exists?)
Lets not forget
Mr Gore and his stabs at crypto and the net
Mr. FRANKS , Mr. PICKERING, Mr. OXLEY for H. R. 543
Mr. MCCAIN and Mr. HOLLINGS for S. 97
Mr. KLINK, Mr. DINGELL, Mr. STUPAK, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. GREEN , Mr. BRADY, Mr. KANJORSKI,Mr. DOYLE for H. R. 2763
You do realize that some states dont have ANY sales tax?
Oregon is one of them.
Yes i know tht in some states its hard to belive that it could actualy happen. Being rasied in New York City I was hard pressed to belive this could possibly be, but low and behold thre is life beyond the Tax Till They Bleed mentality of some states.
Those who look to taxes as the sole source of funding will find themsels addicts to the very system that seeks to do away with them. Yes there are good uses for money collected from the states, schools, roads, education, infrastructure, care of the needy, etc etc. There are many great programs along side the many rotten apple fund wasters.
One of the key ingredients of a proper govermnetal system, that being Accountability, is lacking. Programs are funded that show NO value of return, no help to its inteded cause and a rise in profitability for those who would lien thier pockets with the welath of the taxed states.
This issue is never raised, no valuation or accountability is set forth in these well intentioned programs. Its simply enough to hold up a starving child, an impoverished mind, a wail of guilt and then the wait till flow of money begins.
Every time a program or a tax is called for , ask yourself "Whos is it aimed for, is there a need, and what percentage of that money ever see its target?" then, afterthe program is running, ask yorself "Is this working, could it be done better, wher are teh roadblocks"?
It is no longer enough to toss the collected money of the populace at a problem, it is time to acces and readjust
Amendment XVI (1913) The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census of enumeration.
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
To establish post offices and post roads;
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And
To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
Section 9. The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person.
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.
No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state.
No preference shall be given by any regulation of commerce or revenue to the ports of one state over those of another: nor shall vessels bound to, or from, one state, be obliged to enter, clear or pay duties in another.
No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law; and a regular statement and account of receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time.
No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
Yep Murry Turrof and the folks at the EIES labs (not to mention TIES) did some great far reaching stuff back in the day.
I had an account on the system for a while thru several freinds who were going to NJIT, the place where EIES was housed. It was amazing. There were tie ins to several Virtual classes, and as i remenber they even used the VCO stuff to do first gen icon/avatar interfacing.
I sat in on several classes and support forums. It was pretty well run and most everyone "got" the concepts the class was teaching. It was a far better thing than most TA's could pull off.
Also on EIES was the ever so popular Childish Bickering 101(aka the I hate al freund forum).
EEIES was a great bit of work way ahead of its time. You dont hear much about it when the whole BIG PICTURE is talked about. Any one know what happend to the EIES system and Prof Turrof?
Two years ago the NET all its various ideas where not nearly as wide spread as they are today. I would venture to say that this study is as relevant as Education Studys of the 1950's are to planning for a classroom of 1999.
Time is a fluid beast and on the net we have seen it more fluid than ever. In 1997 the average citizen still was nto as infused into teh nets as the 1998 citizen. In 1999 the transmigration is even more so.
So what does this say of the study?
First, that the time frame and education level of net understanding is vastly different.
Second , that much of the frustration of net users can is now partialy cured due to constant exposure.
Third, when doing reports on or about emerging tech keep in mind that the time it takes you to formalize a paper is about the same time it takes in make its findings out of date.
Its great that these things are being looked at, but let us call for more relevant means than those used in the well intentioned paper.
Yes folks, for those not already hip to this sort of trip, this is just Biz As Usual....menaing each biz is out to maximize profits and minimize the other guy.
For all the Linux Jihaders out there who praise sun and talk about them as some sort of comrade in arms this will be dismissed as MScentric bashing of thier freinds. Cool. I like it when clueless folks walk zombie like thru life only to be rudely backstabed.
When Scott McBucktooth twists the knife in the sacred penguin, where ya gonna be on the lines?
So now Jons on to the poltical aspects of the net. Funny that he should do this in near syncopation with other Journalists.Not funny ha ha but more funny like "so katz is skimming other bad works for use on slash dot now?"
Now lets strip away the layer of Netsaviour Jon coats everything with. The net is just another tools to politicians. It will not turn the corkked straight or the devious rightious. Much to Jons stunned realization the Net will not be the baptizmal bath to wash away all the sins of the system.
In point of fact the body politcs HAS already come to grips with its veiws on the net, and it surprises me Jon is over looking this. Thier view is "we need to control it NOW".
The proof is int he pudding, and the just desserts of the net being entered in by politicians has been more about LAws, Regulations, Censorships, Denial of Service, Reduction of Creativity, and CONTROL then it is about canidates web pages or cute cmapiagn reform sites.
Lets face teh bare facts here, no decetn power structure will sit back for long in the face of something as potentialy unstablizing as the NET and NOT seek to control it. It is the envitable expression of the worlds leaders to smother that which they public cliam to embrace.
So we are, now, in the beginings of the great bear hug of the body politcs embracement of the net.
Who the fuck is going to fucking censor our fucking words? The fucking euros? Fucking congress? Fucking fuck those fuckers, they can suck my fucking white munchole before I start wearing a fucking Yellow Triangle on my tshirts.
We havent fucking learned dick about this shit in the last 1000 years? Tiem to stand up and lift one finger in the air and the other on pen and say "You want my fucking tax money, then fucking blow me and your censorshit crap you god damn over blown american euro ausy whatever mother fucking fucker"
Yes web design is not a job that is known for its thanks, often it can be said "no good job will go unpunished".
Mainly though, and i think you will bear me out on this, its mor to do with the fact that the people up top in Da Big Orfice in Da Sky have all the web savy of Jon katz on Prodigy. In short, the job is doomed to a certian amoutn of suckage becuase the bosses are mentaly retarded imac loving image crazy bloat vicitims.
The old yankees site was way way way cooler, much more useable, and a order of magnitude faster. Yes i love my yankees, i was born and raised on 207th street in da bronx so thats the way it is. It pains me to see Jon Katz pushing a crap site. Well actualy it just pains me to see jon Katz on slash dot, but thats beside this point.
An interesting thing that you pointed out to me, that the Yanks are going to be an ISP and Sell content....Hello..sell content? Where the fuck have they been recetnly. Go check the recetn fiascos when places try to sell content areas.
I wonde if Jon katz "missed" this in his in depth research onthe yankees site, or if maybe hes down for a percetentage of the gate. Nah, taht would require brains, and...well you know the rest.
Jon Katz on the web? Call the media!! JOns found the web, well welcome to the 90's son. HEs found that its NEAT and can bring people TOGETHER. WOW!!!!!!!
Even for katz this article is lame, it is like an excuse to fill space.
I have a simple request, as we are able from time to time to moderate each other as posters, can we moderate the articles? I think it would go a long way in showing this kind of pablum for its worth.
As to the yankees site.. Its a web site that has faults, that needs some work, but in the end is about the Yanks, so it cant be all bad.
Jon Katz, the loosingest writter on the net writes about the Yanks, the winningest team in all of baseball. Isnt it ironic, dont ya think?
The Rio was a neat gizzmo, a cute little geek toy to further ones hip style statements...but it was an idea simply filling in a transition gap.
Rio costs a shit load of cash to get a mere hour worth of music. It costs me $1.50 (at most) to get at least 10 hours on a cd, 50 hours if im burning my old time radio stuff. You do the math, its not all that hard.
The one thing that has stopped us from having this is the litigious record companies and the fear they are spreading across the globe. Even Rio is bowing to the new "laws" set down by the recording industry, the next version will start in on stoping the play of certian files.
Yes a solid state device has its places, having no moving parts makes it ideal for joggers and the like. The option is there, expensive and all. For most every other use though the CD is still the best cost media around.
Slashdot Mirror
(thinks to self "silly thoughts may follow")
I am officaly decalring this sentence a Eringestably sentence, full of all the things all right thinking critics would classify as belonging to such a school.
Now I officaly decalre this sentence a PostEringestably sentence...because, well, because it came after the other one.
A scholarly sounding thesis and five 8 part books of critisism will follow
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Folks, just say no to the POstPReAntIPro syndrome of literature. Look back onthe years and decades of this blah blah blah and realise its full of sound and fury signifying monkey.
Devoid of anything interesting to say many great authors and more worthless critics will drege up this tired old chestnut to make print. Its all about seeing one self look semi intelligent now and again.
File under Masterbation
(thinks to self waits for applause, not even a sausge)
Ying Ti IddleI Pooo
I thik using IRC as a testbed for testing this would be great.
Have the applicants join on a channel thats used a bit, say #hotjaurez or #3l3tn3ss and see how it fares in converstaion. Then have them , with nick changes, move over to a more constrained channle, like #mindvox or #youngpoetsinheat.
The truck would not only to be able to pickout the bots, but to pick out the humans as well.
Im bettng the bots would have better cahnce of being dubbed Human than many of the genetic slush bags.
just my tunie
Now playing on WSMF shoutcast stream, 60 hours of Goon shows, played in order of thier broadcast avialable for the next 4 or 5 days at least.
Listen to the folks Monty Python cite as being one of thier inspirations.
Web to www.live365.com and head over to the Talk section. or tune in with your shout/ice cast capable listener to 216.32.166.89:32024
Theres roomfor 100 listeners, so fill up the slots.
To capture these streams for your very own use Winamp 2.09 or earlier and set up the Save Stream option.
Other methods can apply, your milage may vary.
Todays Subtext "The benign dictator"
As if yesterdays travesty in reporting on tech wasn't enough we now have a second day oj Jon "I want to control it all" Katz come at us. What is great solution to his problem?
KONTROL
"Intervention Software isn't a fantasy. It's a practical possibility with the advent of intuitive software technology and AI computing advances. "
Jon Katz wants to filter your world. To save your poor little pea brain he is now going to set the standards so that you never again need to worry about a headache. In his quest to quiet the voices in his head Katz is willing to lobotomize a large chunk of the little he has.
The only difference between Jon Katz and the folks in the Congress looking to filter kids, "For their own good", is that we are stuck with Katz on slashdot and not voting on legislation. Yet.
Clotho is example, but the function is all too clear. Imposed limits on exploration, mediocrity so that every one has the same playing field, the squelching of excelling or excellence. This is much like the system in a few Kurt Vonnegut books. Fast runners will need to wear leg weights, good singers would need to sing through bad mikes, the smart will be mad dumb, and now the net will be made into a pabulum of easily digested sameness.
It is the final call to arms not of a Geek Nation, but its mortal enemy, The Mediocre Nation.
The best filter I can think of is my mind. I have some helpers, junk busters, mail filters, some news groups, moderated email groups. At the end of the day though there is no substitute for the human brain your born with. Making INFORMED filters from choices borne of intelligence is one thing, sheeple using pre-canned happy filters to make the bad noises stop is not.
What we have outlined here is a cop out for any half way thoughtful human. It speaks to the lazy reliance on other minds to make up yours for you. Katz wants to employ these mental saving devices not to build up intelligent agents but to close off venues of information.
Katz uses Ludites as if they are a group to be listened to. They are not. Those who live in fear and ignorance need to be show the reason. If they then fail to act on that reason, whether pro or con, they are to be pitied as evolutionary throw backs. You don't raise a self imposed mental midget to a standing of setting policy or dictating the progress. Relegated to the clean safe rubber rooms of the happy farms they can live out their live in self imposed ignorance. Hopefully they can be potty trained, probably not but it would cut down on the maintenance costs.
Their patron saint is Jon Katz, the now Proclaimed Hero of the Losers. With these two articles out in the open he can now finally be seen to hold no care for Geeks other than to filter them out of his life. His articles are null and void. The ideas in them may hold some worth once they are taken out of the context of his name, but with the name attached they are no more than false shadows of ignorance.
Let THINK FOR YOURSELF be the whole of the law
Which equtes JK with being a newibe amature himself. Given the last dozen or so posst from him, can this be said to be proven false?
Rather it would seem his posting and sources point out some of the very core problems with his thinking.
If you remeber back to his Blair Witch Project article he lays on heavy about Indi Cinema while short changing some of the greatest works done in the last 5 years out of, what seems at best to be, ignorance.
Looking for JK to use relevant sources is like looking for lemonade drikinge non smokers at teh Space Room.
Nolo Contendere
Latz's "No one is to blame" attitude seems to fall well in the camp of the latter day saints of Pomo Shmos who see all the wrongs and rights as a matter of little concern.
Blame is for those who have differing opinions , those who dont hold to the central dogma. thus Blame is a weapon that cant backfire, since it has no value in the system other than to cast outwards.
If nothing is to blame, and no one who follows the dogma is ever held accountable, thenit must be the OTHERS, ThEM, who are at fault.
Simply put its a 4 year old's mental state thats been used for over 20 years and now has a PhD's stamp of approval.
Im rubber and your glue
what ever you say bounces off me
and sticks to you
First off, Sun is a for profit company. Can you image a for profit company NOT pulling MS style tactics? Of course nto, its how they make profit.
Second, any one touting SUN as the great liberator from MS is about as washed up silly as the standard MSheeple saying that they have no problems.
Third, have you used star office and compared it to MS Office? Most folks have not, and after doing so need to resort to name calling and rhetoric waving as thier only resort to looking like an idiot for endorsing Star OFfice.
Fourth, When this all gets out to teh consumer public, do you really want to be a supporter for that level of hype? Do you really want your name attached with either side of the media mess?
That leaves most of us holding the bag, confronted with two noxious choices: to fall back with the hare-brained Luddites who want to return to the sylvan forests, or to follow the Techno-Utopians on their runaway CyberBinge
And here we see it, in the stark black and white of truth...Jon Katz is no freind to slash dot, hes no seer of the way or a guide of the day. Hes a snivling scared child who sees the potetnial of all this around him and is afraid, mortaly afraid, of the power he can never control.
Katz, and those of his mindset, are not into advocating the possibilites of tech or the geek mindset of exploration, they seeking to slow it down, chain it up, and hobble its progress so that the mediocre will not feel threatened by it.
The potential of the tech today is scary, it has a potential for great things, both evil and good. Does this mean we cower back from it, lay ourselves has helpless on its altar screaming "Do not crush us oh great cuthulian godhead"?
NO
We take the example of folks like TimBL, of Wozniak, of PARC, or MIT labs, of the hundereds of developers and creatotrs of Linux and countless other programs and systems.
In short we grasp firmt he contols and navigate or ships across this vast ocean of discovery. Yes the waves will roll high and the weather may turn foul, but with a clear mind and a firm understanding we will make our way forward and NOT fall off the edge of the world.
Jon Katz and the FLat Web Society need to go cower in a nice cave and leave the exploration and discovery to those that can handel it. They will come crawling out of thier caves when the hard work is done and the way has been paved.
Look at Jon Katz's writtings of the last few years. It is all there to see. he waits for the way to be paved and the safe houses made..THEN he struts in and proclaims himself a seer of the future. He leads the tourists buses thru the creations and nods at each site as if to say "my hands did hew these once rough rocks to tower so high"
In this age of exploration there is no doubt we will have detractors and soldiers of mediocracy to hold back the progress.
Once we had the Inquistion, burning and torturing all that was unkown to them. We have had the Dark ages and its supporters. We have had Churches and Religious Instituions hampering anything that would detract from its glory. We have had Political Correct Facists and Concerned Parents seeking to control that which did not conform to thier Barneyeqsue view of the world.
Now we have the updated version, The Lucid Ludite, the Concerened Powerless, the Saviour of the Mediocre..Yes Jon Katz is no Cyber Spokesperson..he is the Salieri to the genius of the Net's Mozarts.
The best and only way to counter his brand of retarded developement is to SHINE SHINE SHINE on , to blot out his limp mediocracy with brillant progression.
The war of ignorance is never over, the soldiers of stupiity never truly vanquished. So long as there is a force that counters its dark regression we are and shall ever more be victrious.
Once more into the breech!!
you got to be kidding. SOme idleminded fool thinks that admentment is Trollage or flame bait?
That goes a logn way into understanding why people are so easily swayed by McCains rhetoric and not his actions.
When folks start dismissing the core rules as irrelevant is when we have goen so far as to be deeep in the lands of ignorance.
Ill take the -1 not as a sign that the post was not valid, but that the reviewer has little grasp on the foundations of the US system.
"we don't even NEED public schools. As a product of private schools, I am living proof. "
Let me get this straight: because YOU were a product of private schools, we (or anyone else subject to the American system) don't even need public schools.
Are you saying that only those people whose parents can afford to get them a private education actually need one? Or that everyone can make do with a private education at your school as long as it deigns to let them in?
I'm not sure what your private school taught you, but I can point out several things you might perchance go back and learn:
Compassion - Jesus said, "that which you have done unto the least of mine, you do unto me." A society's degree of civilization is largely determined by the quality of life of its poorest citizens.
The 14th Amendment to the Constitution, Section 1. This has been used not only to establish the right to public education, but to enforce equal funding between the rich and the poor school districts. As a citizen (I'm presuming of the US), the government has the right to charge you money for the services it provides. Many more and wiser people than you have decided that educating our youth is a state need in order to train them to become proper citizens. They're correct. You'd do well to understand that.
The Declaration of Independence, which says in part that all men are created equal, and are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Education, even for those who can't afford it, is absolutely necessary for citizens to live, be free, and pursue happiness in America.
A Basic Logic Class, starting with the premise that you are not the only person on the planet who is 'entitled' to anything.
Frankly, I don't know whether to blame you, your parents, or your school, for your selfish and poor attitude. Regardless of how you feel about taxing the Internet, you're not making anyone very proud to be American.
(does this already exists?)
Lets not forget
- Mr Gore and his stabs at crypto and the net
- Mr. FRANKS , Mr. PICKERING, Mr. OXLEY for H. R. 543
- Mr. MCCAIN and Mr. HOLLINGS for S. 97
- Mr. KLINK, Mr. DINGELL, Mr. STUPAK, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr. GREEN , Mr. BRADY, Mr. KANJORSKI,Mr. DOYLE for H. R. 2763
- Mr. SANTORUM for S. 1545
Etc etc...Time for a real Thomas Search.
You do realize that some states dont have ANY sales tax?
Oregon is one of them.
Yes i know tht in some states its hard to belive that it could actualy happen. Being rasied in New York City I was hard pressed to belive this could possibly be, but low and behold thre is life beyond the Tax Till They Bleed mentality of some states.
Those who look to taxes as the sole source of funding will find themsels addicts to the very system that seeks to do away with them. Yes there are good uses for money collected from the states, schools, roads, education, infrastructure, care of the needy, etc etc. There are many great programs along side the many rotten apple fund wasters.
One of the key ingredients of a proper govermnetal system, that being Accountability, is lacking. Programs are funded that show NO value of return, no help to its inteded cause and a rise in profitability for those who would lien thier pockets with the welath of the taxed states.
This issue is never raised, no valuation or accountability is set forth in these well intentioned programs. Its simply enough to hold up a starving child, an impoverished mind, a wail of guilt and then the wait till flow of money begins.
Every time a program or a tax is called for , ask yourself "Whos is it aimed for, is there a need, and what percentage of that money ever see its target?" then, afterthe program is running, ask yorself "Is this working, could it be done better, wher are teh roadblocks"?
It is no longer enough to toss the collected money of the populace at a problem, it is time to acces and readjust
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Amendment XVI
(1913)
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census of enumeration.
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
To establish post offices and post roads;
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
To provide and maintain a navy;
To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And
To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
Section 9. The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person.
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.
No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
No capitation, or other direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.
No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state.
No preference shall be given by any regulation of commerce or revenue to the ports of one state over those of another: nor shall vessels bound to, or from, one state, be obliged to enter, clear or pay duties in another.
No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law; and a regular statement and account of receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time.
No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
Talk about a relevant blast from the past!
Yep Murry Turrof and the folks at the EIES labs (not to mention TIES) did some great far reaching stuff back in the day.
I had an account on the system for a while thru several freinds who were going to NJIT, the place where EIES was housed. It was amazing. There were tie ins to several Virtual classes, and as i remenber they even used the VCO stuff to do first gen icon/avatar interfacing.
I sat in on several classes and support forums. It was pretty well run and most everyone "got" the concepts the class was teaching. It was a far better thing than most TA's could pull off.
Also on EIES was the ever so popular Childish Bickering 101(aka the I hate al freund forum).
EEIES was a great bit of work way ahead of its time. You dont hear much about it when the whole BIG PICTURE is talked about. Any one know what happend to the EIES system and Prof Turrof?
I wish I could remeber what my user number was:)-
Two years ago the NET all its various ideas where not nearly as wide spread as they are today. I would venture to say that this study is as relevant as Education Studys of the 1950's are to planning for a classroom of 1999.
Time is a fluid beast and on the net we have seen it more fluid than ever. In 1997 the average citizen still was nto as infused into teh nets as the 1998 citizen. In 1999 the transmigration is even more so.
So what does this say of the study?
First, that the time frame and education level of net understanding is vastly different.
Second , that much of the frustration of net users can is now partialy cured due to constant exposure.
Third, when doing reports on or about emerging tech keep in mind that the time it takes you to formalize a paper is about the same time it takes in make its findings out of date.
Its great that these things are being looked at, but let us call for more relevant means than those used in the well intentioned paper.
that go great togther...
Yes folks, for those not already hip to this sort of trip, this is just Biz As Usual....menaing each biz is out to maximize profits and minimize the other guy.
For all the Linux Jihaders out there who praise sun and talk about them as some sort of comrade in arms this will be dismissed as MScentric bashing of thier freinds. Cool. I like it when clueless folks walk zombie like thru life only to be rudely backstabed.
When Scott McBucktooth twists the knife in the sacred penguin, where ya gonna be on the lines?
(sig to be sung out loud)
So now Jons on to the poltical aspects of the net. Funny that he should do this in near syncopation with other Journalists.Not funny ha ha but more funny like "so katz is skimming other bad works for use on slash dot now?"
Now lets strip away the layer of Netsaviour Jon coats everything with. The net is just another tools to politicians. It will not turn the corkked straight or the devious rightious. Much to Jons stunned realization the Net will not be the baptizmal bath to wash away all the sins of the system.
In point of fact the body politcs HAS already come to grips with its veiws on the net, and it surprises me Jon is over looking this. Thier view is "we need to control it NOW".
The proof is int he pudding, and the just desserts of the net being entered in by politicians has been more about LAws, Regulations, Censorships, Denial of Service, Reduction of Creativity, and CONTROL then it is about canidates web pages or cute cmapiagn reform sites.
Lets face teh bare facts here, no decetn power structure will sit back for long in the face of something as potentialy unstablizing as the NET and NOT seek to control it. It is the envitable expression of the worlds leaders to smother that which they public cliam to embrace.
So we are, now, in the beginings of the great bear hug of the body politcs embracement of the net.
Dont You Feel The Love???
Who the fuck is going to fucking censor our fucking words? The fucking euros? Fucking congress? Fucking fuck those fuckers, they can suck my fucking white munchole before I start wearing a fucking Yellow Triangle on my tshirts.
We havent fucking learned dick about this shit in the last 1000 years? Tiem to stand up and lift one finger in the air and the other on pen and say "You want my fucking tax money, then fucking blow me and your censorshit crap you god damn over blown american euro ausy whatever mother fucking fucker"
Or words to that intent.
Long live eBounty
Im in!
Of course eBounty(tm) would use SSL and Stronghold with some nice anon fullfillment system for the "participants".
50 qutaloos on the head of the New Riech Marshal.
"Katz-hating, Spanky-loving New Yorker friend.."
...well you know the rest.
Yea, so whatcha gona make of it bub?
Yes web design is not a job that is known for its thanks, often it can be said "no good job will go unpunished".
Mainly though, and i think you will bear me out on this, its mor to do with the fact that the people up top in Da Big Orfice in Da Sky have all the web savy of Jon katz on Prodigy. In short, the job is doomed to a certian amoutn of suckage becuase the bosses are mentaly retarded imac loving image crazy bloat vicitims.
The old yankees site was way way way cooler, much more useable, and a order of magnitude faster. Yes i love my yankees, i was born and raised on 207th street in da bronx so thats the way it is. It pains me to see Jon Katz pushing a crap site. Well actualy it just pains me to see jon Katz on slash dot, but thats beside this point.
An interesting thing that you pointed out to me, that the Yanks are going to be an ISP and Sell content....Hello..sell content? Where the fuck have they been recetnly. Go check the recetn fiascos when places try to sell content areas.
I wonde if Jon katz "missed" this in his in depth research onthe yankees site, or if maybe hes down for a percetentage of the gate. Nah, taht would require brains, and
Jon Katz on the web?
Call the media!!
JOns found the web, well welcome to the 90's son. HEs found that its NEAT and can bring people TOGETHER. WOW!!!!!!!
Even for katz this article is lame, it is like an excuse to fill space.
I have a simple request, as we are able from time to time to moderate each other as posters, can we moderate the articles? I think it would go a long way in showing this kind of pablum for its worth.
As to the yankees site.. Its a web site that has faults, that needs some work, but in the end is about the Yanks, so it cant be all bad.
Jon Katz, the loosingest writter on the net writes about the Yanks, the winningest team in all of baseball.
Isnt it ironic, dont ya think?
The Rio was a neat gizzmo, a cute little geek toy to further ones hip style statements...but it was an idea simply filling in a transition gap.
Rio costs a shit load of cash to get a mere hour worth of music. It costs me $1.50 (at most) to get at least 10 hours on a cd, 50 hours if im burning my old time radio stuff. You do the math, its not all that hard.
The one thing that has stopped us from having this is the litigious record companies and the fear they are spreading across the globe. Even Rio is bowing to the new "laws" set down by the recording industry, the next version will start in on stoping the play of certian files.
Yes a solid state device has its places, having no moving parts makes it ideal for joggers and the like. The option is there, expensive and all. For most every other use though the CD is still the best cost media around.
I had pretty much the same rig...and it played nice in multi.
sometimes the problem is right over the keyboard