That would be a very expensive exercise for Apple, given that the encryption we're talking about is baked right into the silicon.
What seems more likely is that they would just stop selling iphones on UK soil. They can still sell all their other stuff, macs and apple TVs and so-on, even though they do use 'unbreakable encryption' to some extent. And then, when the UK government aren't able to buy new iphones anymore, I suspect the law might be quietly changed.
Note that it's not just iphones that are at issue in the UK situation. There are several Android devices that have similar levels of security, not to mention every HTTPS connection on the planet. Every private key anywhere owned by anyone that qualifies as a "communication service providers" under the bill is forfeit to the UK government.
Slightly more complexified, it actually determines the difference in time between the signals, which places you on parabolas or something, not spheres. It doesn't know the absolute distance, since it doesn't contain its own atomic clock.
Bingo. Your tax laws are owned by your rich people, your copyright laws - and hence your cultural freedoms - are owned by other rich people. If you were going to use your guns to 'rise up', which in real life would fail with catastrophic loss of life, then it's getting a little bit too late.
Good luck going up against the US military with your handguns.
Australia is basically uninhabitable. It's too hot, too dry, quite often on fire, and full of poisonous insects. The fact that the government appears to consist of strange right-wing fools is just another reason for sensible people to leave.
I think that on the 5C and earlier, the key portions that a required to perform a brute-force on the PIN are available on the flash. But it's hard to find accurate information on this. Certainly, on the 5S and later, reading the flash memory won't help you.
Not correct. It can be compromised by $100k of development by an organisation in possession of Apple's private signing keys, will only work on older phones, and can be defeated even on those simply by having a longer passphrase.
Incorporates advertising into the shell.... This is a surprise how?
It's a surprise to me. When did we start accepting advertising into our lives like this? It's an outrage that software that costs money should display advertisements. The money goes to MS, right? That's just not acceptable.
This is no longer true. It is possible to download open source iOS apps, and build and install them into your iOS device. That whole $$$ required to get a developer certificate quietly went away a while back.
To be sure, you do need an apple account to get the now free device cert, and so this doesn't quite qualify as 'opening up their devices', but at least it no longer costs cash. That said, there are few iOS open source apps, since the vast majority of people don't seem to mind paying a bit of money for an app. They also don't mind that they're being 'tracked', whatever that might mean in the context of installing applications. If I visit a website, I am constantly bombarded by ads from that site until I go and delete the tracking cookies. If I install an iOS app, this doesn't happen (of course). So while they know I've installed an app - a good thing, by the way, since the purchase can be restored if you lose the device, and even installed on what appears to be an unlimited number of additional iOS devices - they don't appear to do anything with that information.
For OSX of course, there has never been any restriction beyond having to turn off gatekeeper. The dialog that pops up and complains that you're trying to run unsigned software even directs you to the appropriate place in the system settings.
The authorities are sure that a phone contains information that would thwart an imminent attack?
They 'know' the information is in there? But they don't know what it is? Sounds pretty unlikely to me.
The world is full of people, and those people don't always behave themselves. Sometimes, due to their bad behavior, good people get hurt. At some point to have to limit the governments powers, even though it may be true that one could conceive of a scenario under which such powers would save people. It's a balance, between the likelihood of the scenario, and the societal burden of the power. The argument here is not that such a scenario doesn't exist, even if your example is especially unlikely, but that the societal cost is too high. That the government should not have to power to inspect every aspect of your life is the issue here.
For instance, an acquaintance of mine once argued that the police should be empowered to come into your house and search it without probable cause, because "a little girl was missing". Well, for one thing, there's always a little girl missing. And for another, the cost of this power is too high.
anyone with the Apple signing key can sign firmware
Yes, of course.
which can then be loaded onto the phone without unlocking the phone first
Is this true? I've heard both this claim, and its counter-claim, and I'm not sure which is true. I think you would at least need physical access though, right?
This custom firmware can then defeat the measures designed to prevent brute forcing of the users passcode.
True, unless you have a nice long passcode (I don't, personally).
Thank you, that was extremely informative - I'd mod you up, but obviously can't due to my posts.
Is Ableton that different? I should try it out, since the traditional workflows seem very much oriented around the physical design of a mixing desk, which I'm not sure is optimal for a laptop. There must be a better way.
It's a shame that you say that no-one is making much money - I'd always harbored some kind of vague hope that I would work on audio software as profitably as I work on, er, regular old boring software today. I wish I had enough time and energy to devote effort to the open source projects instead of just moaning about them on slashdot, but I'm just too fond of drinking beer in the evenings I'm afraid.
I don't wish for one moment to diminish the huge efforts of the open source community to try to create a software solution for Linux. But you're up against well-funded teams of software engineers who create software that the recording industry pays significant cash to acquire. The same problem exists for Photoshop vs. The GIMP, and Avid vs. whatever video editing software exists for Linux. And Blender vs. Renderman + Maya etc.
It's interesting that open source has succeeded with the OS (for its warts, Linux is extremely widespread), but failed with applications. A shame, but there it is.
If anybody found a direct solution, I'd like to know.
Use something else?
Sorry. But the point is that you're right, real-time effects is hard, although in the context of a modern PC the CPU requirements aren't that huge if you're only talking a handful of effects and tracks. Logic can do multiple convolution reverbs in real-time, for instance. It's hard to do, and this is why we end up having to pay for the software. It escapes me why people don't like this. They'll drop several hundred dollars on a good USB audio interface, and then moan about buying some decent software.
The software I'd like to see would allow me to chop and change audio clips, drag them around some kind of desktop area, apply and automate effects anywhere, and play them back together or separately without all this hassle of 'tracks' and so-on. That would be awesome.
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That would be a very expensive exercise for Apple, given that the encryption we're talking about is baked right into the silicon.
What seems more likely is that they would just stop selling iphones on UK soil. They can still sell all their other stuff, macs and apple TVs and so-on, even though they do use 'unbreakable encryption' to some extent. And then, when the UK government aren't able to buy new iphones anymore, I suspect the law might be quietly changed.
Note that it's not just iphones that are at issue in the UK situation. There are several Android devices that have similar levels of security, not to mention every HTTPS connection on the planet. Every private key anywhere owned by anyone that qualifies as a "communication service providers" under the bill is forfeit to the UK government.
Fellas. Good luck with that.
The FBI lying is pretty plausible.
The FBI being smart enough to bypass the hardware security on an iphone, not so much.
Slightly more complexified, it actually determines the difference in time between the signals, which places you on parabolas or something, not spheres. It doesn't know the absolute distance, since it doesn't contain its own atomic clock.
A gun is a very handy device for stopping a lynching
Oh. Is that what you guys are using them for? Okay then...
Bingo. Your tax laws are owned by your rich people, your copyright laws - and hence your cultural freedoms - are owned by other rich people. If you were going to use your guns to 'rise up', which in real life would fail with catastrophic loss of life, then it's getting a little bit too late.
Good luck going up against the US military with your handguns.
We did we do that?
To be fair, those cat pictures were pretty distracting.
Cool.
Quick: What's in those 150 tabs? What, you can't remember them all?
Tabs are mostly just places to put web pages that you forgot to close. A hundred and fifty of them? Across twenty windows? What are they all for?
And they said algebra wasn't useful
I wish Blacks had never been brought in as slaves.
I rather think that they wish they'd never been slaves too.
Australia is basically uninhabitable. It's too hot, too dry, quite often on fire, and full of poisonous insects. The fact that the government appears to consist of strange right-wing fools is just another reason for sensible people to leave.
Welcome to Australia....
Australia has just recovered from the damage caused by refugees settled here in the 1980s.
Australia never recovered from the refugees that settled there in the mid 1800's. Before that, the place was perfectly fine.
the sun explodes.
Careful, making threats like that on a public forum could get you on a no fly list.
I think that on the 5C and earlier, the key portions that a required to perform a brute-force on the PIN are available on the flash. But it's hard to find accurate information on this. Certainly, on the 5S and later, reading the flash memory won't help you.
can be compromised by $100k of development.
Not correct. It can be compromised by $100k of development by an organisation in possession of Apple's private signing keys, will only work on older phones, and can be defeated even on those simply by having a longer passphrase.
Apple's signing keys.
You mean, everyone's signing keys.
Incorporates advertising into the shell .... This is a surprise how?
It's a surprise to me. When did we start accepting advertising into our lives like this? It's an outrage that software that costs money should display advertisements. The money goes to MS, right? That's just not acceptable.
You get ads on your phone the same way
I don't. :)
This is no longer true. It is possible to download open source iOS apps, and build and install them into your iOS device. That whole $$$ required to get a developer certificate quietly went away a while back.
To be sure, you do need an apple account to get the now free device cert, and so this doesn't quite qualify as 'opening up their devices', but at least it no longer costs cash. That said, there are few iOS open source apps, since the vast majority of people don't seem to mind paying a bit of money for an app. They also don't mind that they're being 'tracked', whatever that might mean in the context of installing applications. If I visit a website, I am constantly bombarded by ads from that site until I go and delete the tracking cookies. If I install an iOS app, this doesn't happen (of course). So while they know I've installed an app - a good thing, by the way, since the purchase can be restored if you lose the device, and even installed on what appears to be an unlimited number of additional iOS devices - they don't appear to do anything with that information.
For OSX of course, there has never been any restriction beyond having to turn off gatekeeper. The dialog that pops up and complains that you're trying to run unsigned software even directs you to the appropriate place in the system settings.
So, arguably, Bitcoin is an equally terrible currency as gold.
Yes. Alot of people do argue that. What happens when we hit peak bitcoin?
The authorities are sure that a phone contains information that would thwart an imminent attack?
They 'know' the information is in there? But they don't know what it is? Sounds pretty unlikely to me.
The world is full of people, and those people don't always behave themselves. Sometimes, due to their bad behavior, good people get hurt. At some point to have to limit the governments powers, even though it may be true that one could conceive of a scenario under which such powers would save people. It's a balance, between the likelihood of the scenario, and the societal burden of the power. The argument here is not that such a scenario doesn't exist, even if your example is especially unlikely, but that the societal cost is too high. That the government should not have to power to inspect every aspect of your life is the issue here.
For instance, an acquaintance of mine once argued that the police should be empowered to come into your house and search it without probable cause, because "a little girl was missing". Well, for one thing, there's always a little girl missing. And for another, the cost of this power is too high.
anyone with the Apple signing key can sign firmware
Yes, of course.
which can then be loaded onto the phone without unlocking the phone first
Is this true? I've heard both this claim, and its counter-claim, and I'm not sure which is true. I think you would at least need physical access though, right?
This custom firmware can then defeat the measures designed to prevent brute forcing of the users passcode.
True, unless you have a nice long passcode (I don't, personally).
Thank you, that was extremely informative - I'd mod you up, but obviously can't due to my posts.
Is Ableton that different? I should try it out, since the traditional workflows seem very much oriented around the physical design of a mixing desk, which I'm not sure is optimal for a laptop. There must be a better way.
It's a shame that you say that no-one is making much money - I'd always harbored some kind of vague hope that I would work on audio software as profitably as I work on, er, regular old boring software today. I wish I had enough time and energy to devote effort to the open source projects instead of just moaning about them on slashdot, but I'm just too fond of drinking beer in the evenings I'm afraid.
I don't wish for one moment to diminish the huge efforts of the open source community to try to create a software solution for Linux. But you're up against well-funded teams of software engineers who create software that the recording industry pays significant cash to acquire. The same problem exists for Photoshop vs. The GIMP, and Avid vs. whatever video editing software exists for Linux. And Blender vs. Renderman + Maya etc.
It's interesting that open source has succeeded with the OS (for its warts, Linux is extremely widespread), but failed with applications. A shame, but there it is.
If that's the case, why are we having this conversation? The drivers might be fine for the device, but the software just isn't there for Linux.
If anybody found a direct solution, I'd like to know.
Use something else?
Sorry. But the point is that you're right, real-time effects is hard, although in the context of a modern PC the CPU requirements aren't that huge if you're only talking a handful of effects and tracks. Logic can do multiple convolution reverbs in real-time, for instance. It's hard to do, and this is why we end up having to pay for the software. It escapes me why people don't like this. They'll drop several hundred dollars on a good USB audio interface, and then moan about buying some decent software.
The software I'd like to see would allow me to chop and change audio clips, drag them around some kind of desktop area, apply and automate effects anywhere, and play them back together or separately without all this hassle of 'tracks' and so-on. That would be awesome.