No inconsistency: It's a tool in the battle for marketshare; but not Java-marketshare. The goal is to have them run your OS (and hardware, in SUN's case) - that's where the money is made.
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You're misunderstanding something, or you're a microsoft advocate. Java is not a goal, it's a tool.
Sun is a commercial company, just like MS. They care a lot about targets, shareholdervalue, etc. Why do they develop and give a away something like Java?
The wintel platform is growing into the server market. Actually or potentially eating away SUN's marketshare. MS profits a lot from it's available software base: Why do people buy and install MS? Because there's loads of software for MS. Why do developers create software for MS? Because there's loads of people buying and installing MS.
If people develop or use a lot of Java software, they don't need to run a certain OS. Making them potential SUN customers. And if SUN operates from the (likely) point of view that their hardware/OS combination superior to the wintel combo, they would consider them likely customers.
If MS includes a fully comliant java implementation with their OS, they increase the likelyhood of a 'write once run anywhere' idea appealing to people, making them less dependant on MS. If, however, they include incompatible java-like implementations with their OS, they probably won't attract the Java-loving-crowd, but they still attract a lot of MS-loving-crowd trough the channels they already have. They are not going to explain to them that their product is not Java; even though their product is not Java they create diversion and inoperability in the Java-field. And if they play it smart enough they might even make people prefer te MS-Java-lookalike, because it's the only one compattible with with the MS-Java-lookalike software. This is why SUN is eager to fight lawsuits against MS.
Both introducing/supporting Java and introducing/supporting the non-Java could be valid business tactics. However, the MS-monopoly gives them the chance to pull their trick of; I don't know if using a monopoly to keep and increase a monopoly is evil, but it doesn't sound likely to be benefitting consumers.
In this case, we go from "bacteria can survive acceleration and radiation" to "therefore life may have originated on Mars"
Yeah - I can just see that: Couple of your local scientists, researching the after-diner-smoking-behaviour of various bacteria, accidentally stumbling upon a tribe that can handle 35,000g and cosmic radiation, leading to the conclusion that life as we know it may have started on mars...
Or maybe it was the other way around: Couple of your local scientsts having some beers after their annual seminair, getting a bit pillowsofical, popping up a question like 'if life started somewhere, does that somewhere neccesarily have to be earth?'. After sobering up and going trough the hangover, they figure they'd better come up with a plausible 'somewhere' and 'means of travel', to avoid looking like complete idiots.
They find a convienient planet called Mars, that cooled down to CTFC[TM] (Correct Temperature For Creation, sometimes mistaken for Correct Temperature For Cpu's by overclockers), long before Earth did, and substitute this for 'somewhere'. They find these scheduled rock-flights going back and forth between these planets troughout the bilennea, which they substitute as their meas of travel.
After some more beer to celebrate, they figure their idea might even sound more plausible if they were able to find a primitive lifeform that was potentionally capable of making the trip. And whee - guess what the article is all about.
No, they did not prove that life originated on mars, and no, they probably did not find the bacteria that started the whole thing.
Maybe they proved we're not letting minors have beer for the wrong reasons?
Purdue's case in court is weak IANAL, but I searched the web a bit and I don't agree. First of all it seems to be pErdue chicken, not pUrdue. Except for Purdue Pharma the word purdue seems to be almost exclusively used in the context 'Purdue University'.
He is a student at the Purdue University, so it's pretty obvious where he got the inspiration for his domainname. They are accusing him of trademark infringement. If there are no states, rivers, companies named 'Purdue something', I'd say they'd judge that he is indeed using a derivate of their name, and I'd say they can make him stop.
Some people mentioned that he's not making money of the domainname, that he didn't buy it in an attempt to sell it later, and that the school should get a.edu domain. That all seems completely irrelevant to me if they're out to stop him using the name based on trademark infringement.
But then again - I'm not a U.S. citizen, and I am not very familiar with U.S. laws. If I were you I'd consult a lawyer, rather asking the/. community.
One of the most sensible definitions I've seen so far.
The JRE (Java Runtime Environment) does manage resources, load code, run it, provide hardware abstraction, API, etc... JRE part of the OS?
MAME (multiple arcade machine emulator) does load software in Ram, and runs it. It gives that software access to resources (CPU, RAM, monitor, keybd). Would that make MAME an OS, or part of the OS?
PCs usually implement a 33MHz, 32bit PCI bus, SUN-E450 also offers 66MHz and 64-bit PCI slots, which allows for 2x2=4 times as much bandwith (per PCI bus, the E450 has multiple). The only reason I can see why PCs don't implement these is because there is no need for them; the 33MHz/32bits PCI bus is fast enough for almost all applications (Except for video/3D cards, but they plug into the AGP bus, or the UPA bus on a E450). Until faster devices become commonplace for average Joe, I guess there is no need for a faster bus in average Joes machine.
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No inconsistency: It's a tool in the battle for marketshare; but not Java-marketshare. The goal is to have them run your OS (and hardware, in SUN's case) - that's where the money is made.
You're misunderstanding something, or you're a microsoft advocate. Java is not a goal, it's a tool.
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Sun is a commercial company, just like MS. They care a lot about targets, shareholdervalue, etc. Why do they develop and give a away something like Java?
The wintel platform is growing into the server market. Actually or potentially eating away SUN's marketshare. MS profits a lot from it's available software base: Why do people buy and install MS? Because there's loads of software for MS. Why do developers create software for MS? Because there's loads of people buying and installing MS.
If people develop or use a lot of Java software, they don't need to run a certain OS. Making them potential SUN customers. And if SUN operates from the (likely) point of view that their hardware/OS combination superior to the wintel combo, they would consider them likely customers.
If MS includes a fully comliant java implementation with their OS, they increase the likelyhood of a 'write once run anywhere' idea appealing to people, making them less dependant on MS. If, however, they include incompatible java-like implementations with their OS, they probably won't attract the Java-loving-crowd, but they still attract a lot of MS-loving-crowd trough the channels they already have. They are not going to explain to them that their product is not Java; even though their product is not Java they create diversion and inoperability in the Java-field. And if they play it smart enough they might even make people prefer te MS-Java-lookalike, because it's the only one compattible with with the MS-Java-lookalike software. This is why SUN is eager to fight lawsuits against MS.
Both introducing/supporting Java and introducing/supporting the non-Java could be valid business tactics. However, the MS-monopoly gives them the chance to pull their trick of; I don't know if using a monopoly to keep and increase a monopoly is evil, but it doesn't sound likely to be benefitting consumers.
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Yeah - I can just see that:
Couple of your local scientists, researching the after-diner-smoking-behaviour of various bacteria, accidentally stumbling upon a tribe that can handle 35,000g and cosmic radiation, leading to the conclusion that life as we know it may have started on mars...
Or maybe it was the other way around:
Couple of your local scientsts having some beers after their annual seminair, getting a bit pillowsofical, popping up a question like 'if life started somewhere, does that somewhere neccesarily have to be earth?'.
After sobering up and going trough the hangover, they figure they'd better come up with a plausible 'somewhere' and 'means of travel', to avoid looking like complete idiots.
They find a convienient planet called Mars, that cooled down to CTFC[TM] (Correct Temperature For Creation, sometimes mistaken for Correct Temperature For Cpu's by overclockers), long before Earth did, and substitute this for 'somewhere'. They find these scheduled rock-flights going back and forth between these planets troughout the bilennea, which they substitute as their meas of travel.
After some more beer to celebrate, they figure their idea might even sound more plausible if they were able to find a primitive lifeform that was potentionally capable of making the trip. And whee - guess what the article is all about.
No, they did not prove that life originated on mars, and no, they probably did not find the bacteria that started the whole thing.
Maybe they proved we're not letting minors have beer for the wrong reasons?
IANAL, but I searched the web a bit and I don't agree. First of all it seems to be pErdue chicken, not pUrdue. Except for Purdue Pharma the word purdue seems to be almost exclusively used in the context 'Purdue University'.
He is a student at the Purdue University, so it's pretty obvious where he got the inspiration for his domainname. They are accusing him of trademark infringement. If there are no states, rivers, companies named 'Purdue something', I'd say they'd judge that he is indeed using a derivate of their name, and I'd say they can make him stop.
Some people mentioned that he's not making money of the domainname, that he didn't buy it in an attempt to sell it later, and that the school should get a .edu domain. That all seems completely irrelevant to me if they're out to stop him using the name based on trademark infringement.
But then again - I'm not a U.S. citizen, and I am not very familiar with U.S. laws. If I were you I'd consult a lawyer, rather asking the /. community.
The JRE (Java Runtime Environment) does manage resources, load code, run it, provide hardware abstraction, API, etc... JRE part of the OS?
MAME (multiple arcade machine emulator) does load software in Ram, and runs it. It gives that software access to resources (CPU, RAM, monitor, keybd). Would that make MAME an OS, or part of the OS?
PCs usually implement a 33MHz, 32bit PCI bus, SUN-E450 also offers 66MHz and 64-bit PCI slots, which allows for 2x2=4 times as much bandwith (per PCI bus, the E450 has multiple). The only reason I can see why PCs don't implement these is because there is no need for them; the 33MHz/32bits PCI bus is fast enough for almost all applications (Except for video/3D cards, but they plug into the AGP bus, or the UPA bus on a E450). Until faster devices become commonplace for average Joe, I guess there is no need for a faster bus in average Joes machine.