I'm seriously sick and tired of the "this new technology is a dumb idea and here's my baseless argument to support that opinion" posts on/.
Me too, but you have to admit sometimes the neighsayers are right and the new technology or idea is crap. Not in this particular case, imo. I'm still waiting for the cell phone fad to die.
The same experiment can probably be performed with cars (unmarked versus squad car); people are more careful around cops. Plenty of people try to kill me as I drive my car (I be sure to return the favor). Maybe the difference is more striking with motorcycles, though.
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Mind you, most of them are considered 'bad'. Maybe that's what you're objecting to, having copyright infringement lumped in there with all those other bad things?
Again, you apear to be trying to implicate me. I've never said whether I think copyright violation is bad or not. Similarly I've never said whether I think rape is bad or not. Only a bastard would take those ommissions to mean that I think either one is good. "Lump" is a great word - that's what you want to do - lump everything together, things are bad or good, theft == copyright violation == crime == bad mmmkay. I'm telling you all these things are different in many ways. To threat them interchangeably is an error.
Look, we're talking about legal terms, or at least terms with legal meanings, not about who's the best boy band out there. Even if most people for some reason think that theft == copyright violation (which you assert, but provide no evidence for), this doesn't make the crimes somehow equivalent. I'll admint that the word theft can be acceptable in a vernacular sense when discussing some of these things (stole ideas, eg.) but some uses are clearly inaccurate.
If someone kills another person, that makes them a murderer (ignoring legal defenese). If I kill your spirit or innocence, does that make me a murderer? Maybe in some flowery poetic flexible-english sense, but not in any real sense, and certainly not in any sense with legal bearing.
Word usage is great and all, but when words are used in such a way that implies technical meaning or legal meaning, popularity doesnt't make a whit of difference about how the word is properly used.
This is a very important point: people who use the words thief or theft when describing copyright violation are most certainly implicating wrong doing in the legal sense. Afterall, it's primarily a legal infraction rather than a moral infraction, at least it doesn't carry the same moral weight as theft or murder. So if they're implying legal wrongdoing, they're.....
... wait for it....
using the wrong fucking word because they're describing the wrong fucking crime.
And by the way, I find it amusing and telling that you don't see any difference between illegally copying music and rape. An especially interesting problem, given that you're clearly in favor of being able to copy music freely. Makes me wonder what else you're in favor of.
Way to try to put words in my mouth. That's about the most offensive stawman attack I've seen in a while, so I'll just forgoe with civility in the rest of my reply.
Nowhere do I claim I think that rape is the same as copyright violation. That's the entire point, you ignrant fuck. Go back and read it again. Those are all different categories of legally proscribed acts. I'm not claiming any of them are the same. You and a band of other morons are though: you seem to have some unsupported notion that violation of laws relarding the temporary monopoly of ideas is somehow equivalent to stealing real property. Or you have a notion that flexibilities in the english language extend to appropriate descriptions of illegal acts.
Get this into your thick fucking skull. These are way different things. They are so goddamned different it's not even funny. We need whole different sets of laws to deal with them. We have differnt words to describe them. They have different histories, different protection, different real world effects, different rules for scarcity, etc., etc.
People who use the word "theft" with respect to copyright violation are not using it in some colorful way akin to "stealing her virtue". They either are explicitly trying to elevate the public opinion of something, or just convenient twits like yourself.
If you "steal some girl's virtue". People aren't going to call you a thief. They'll call you a rapist. Similarly, they wouldn't call you a murderer because you "killed her virtual", or "destroyed her innocence" or any other nonsense.
People can say "you stole my idea" all they want. It still doesn't make you a thief or the act theft. What's so inadequate about the current provisions for copyright protection and enforcement that you feel the need to elevate the crime?
Fortunately, US Copyright law does not in fact ever call any of the violations outlined "theft" or "larceny" or similar. There's a good reason for this. In the eyes of the law, the two are different. I can't believe you would bring up US copyright law in order to support an assertion that copyright violation == theft. Go read the laws if you don't believe it. If you get convicted for copyright violation, no codes relating to theft or larcency will ever be brought up. Similarly, if you are convicted for criminal tresspass, you won't be tried for theft. Etc. Etc. ad nausem.
Here's a clue for you. Theft is not a generic term for any act of wrong-doing.
I think it is quite scary that so many people believe that copyright violation == theft or piracy.
Why don't you just call it "rape" or "murder" or "terrorism" or "genocide" or "necrophilia" as long as you're redefining terms to suit your needs? We all don't "know that it's theft". It might be wrong or illegal, but that doesn't mean your slippery terminology is correct.
Is someone that trespasses on your property a "thief"? If no why not and in what way does your vague definition not apply? They are after all "stealing" your right to not have people come onto your property.
Is someone that slanders you a "thief"? If no why not and in what way does your vague definition not apply? They are after all "stealing" your good reputation.
Is someone that rapes you a "thief"? If no why not and in what way does your vague definition not apply? They are after all "stealing" your viture or perhaps even virginity.
Is someone who speeds on the highways a "thief"? If so why not and in what way does your vague definition not apply? The are after all "stealing" your right to safe passage on the nations highways.
Is someone that doesn't agree to have unprotect farm sex with you a "thief"? If so why not and in what way does your vague definition not apply? They are after all "stealing" your right to "the pursuit of happiness".
The problem with you "copyright violation" == "thievery" people is that you either willingly or unwillingly help the english language to become less precise in order to bolster a particular socioeconomic interest group. You're a tool and a fool. Call a spade a spade. Argue with the accepted legal terms rather than using smear tactics. I might agree that copyright violations should be illegal and punished, but I'll call a dishonest tactic when I see one.
I really don't think subscribing to a mailing list should have to be a pre-requisite for installing & properly using a modern OS
Why not? Think about what you're saying for a minute. Perhaps if you quailified this stupid statement, e.g. "Moderm Consumer OS", or "Modern Commercial OS", you might make a little sense. Fedora is a community project, if you don't want to be part of the community, use some pre-shrunk or pre-installed Product. Don't be an asshat.
I think the situation is more like we've seen the messenger's history of messages, and based on that history, we'll make assumptions about the quality of her present message. This is completely legitimate. If you claim you don't do this, you're either a fool or a liar.
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You couldn't be more wrong. Go read the copyright laws. No where in them do they equate copyright violation with theft.
First Slashborg post - nice work!
Eventually, you'll just have two keyboard that slide around on your desk on little balls. 8 buttons? Wow - what do you do, CAD work?
The cell phone bit was a joke. It's funny, laugh.
Me too, but you have to admit sometimes the neighsayers are right and the new technology or idea is crap. Not in this particular case, imo. I'm still waiting for the cell phone fad to die.
The same experiment can probably be performed with cars (unmarked versus squad car); people are more careful around cops. Plenty of people try to kill me as I drive my car (I be sure to return the favor). Maybe the difference is more striking with motorcycles, though.
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Again, you apear to be trying to implicate me. I've never said whether I think copyright violation is bad or not. Similarly I've never said whether I think rape is bad or not. Only a bastard would take those ommissions to mean that I think either one is good. "Lump" is a great word - that's what you want to do - lump everything together, things are bad or good, theft == copyright violation == crime == bad mmmkay. I'm telling you all these things are different in many ways. To threat them interchangeably is an error.
Look, we're talking about legal terms, or at least terms with legal meanings, not about who's the best boy band out there. Even if most people for some reason think that theft == copyright violation (which you assert, but provide no evidence for), this doesn't make the crimes somehow equivalent. I'll admint that the word theft can be acceptable in a vernacular sense when discussing some of these things (stole ideas, eg.) but some uses are clearly inaccurate.
If someone kills another person, that makes them a murderer (ignoring legal defenese). If I kill your spirit or innocence, does that make me a murderer? Maybe in some flowery poetic flexible-english sense, but not in any real sense, and certainly not in any sense with legal bearing.
Word usage is great and all, but when words are used in such a way that implies technical meaning or legal meaning, popularity doesnt't make a whit of difference about how the word is properly used.
This is a very important point: people who use the words thief or theft when describing copyright violation are most certainly implicating wrong doing in the legal sense. Afterall, it's primarily a legal infraction rather than a moral infraction, at least it doesn't carry the same moral weight as theft or murder. So if they're implying legal wrongdoing, they're .....
using the wrong fucking word because they're describing the wrong fucking crime.
Jesus you people are stupid.
Way to try to put words in my mouth. That's about the most offensive stawman attack I've seen in a while, so I'll just forgoe with civility in the rest of my reply.
Nowhere do I claim I think that rape is the same as copyright violation. That's the entire point, you ignrant fuck. Go back and read it again. Those are all different categories of legally proscribed acts. I'm not claiming any of them are the same. You and a band of other morons are though: you seem to have some unsupported notion that violation of laws relarding the temporary monopoly of ideas is somehow equivalent to stealing real property. Or you have a notion that flexibilities in the english language extend to appropriate descriptions of illegal acts.
Get this into your thick fucking skull. These are way different things. They are so goddamned different it's not even funny. We need whole different sets of laws to deal with them. We have differnt words to describe them. They have different histories, different protection, different real world effects, different rules for scarcity, etc., etc.
People who use the word "theft" with respect to copyright violation are not using it in some colorful way akin to "stealing her virtue". They either are explicitly trying to elevate the public opinion of something, or just convenient twits like yourself.
If you "steal some girl's virtue". People aren't going to call you a thief. They'll call you a rapist. Similarly, they wouldn't call you a murderer because you "killed her virtual", or "destroyed her innocence" or any other nonsense.
People can say "you stole my idea" all they want. It still doesn't make you a thief or the act theft. What's so inadequate about the current provisions for copyright protection and enforcement that you feel the need to elevate the crime?
Here's a clue for you. Theft is not a generic term for any act of wrong-doing.
I think it is quite scary that so many people believe that copyright violation == theft or piracy.
Is someone that trespasses on your property a "thief"? If no why not and in what way does your vague definition not apply? They are after all "stealing" your right to not have people come onto your property.
Is someone that slanders you a "thief"? If no why not and in what way does your vague definition not apply? They are after all "stealing" your good reputation.
Is someone that rapes you a "thief"? If no why not and in what way does your vague definition not apply? They are after all "stealing" your viture or perhaps even virginity.
Is someone who speeds on the highways a "thief"? If so why not and in what way does your vague definition not apply? The are after all "stealing" your right to safe passage on the nations highways.
Is someone that doesn't agree to have unprotect farm sex with you a "thief"? If so why not and in what way does your vague definition not apply? They are after all "stealing" your right to "the pursuit of happiness".
The problem with you "copyright violation" == "thievery" people is that you either willingly or unwillingly help the english language to become less precise in order to bolster a particular socioeconomic interest group. You're a tool and a fool. Call a spade a spade. Argue with the accepted legal terms rather than using smear tactics. I might agree that copyright violations should be illegal and punished, but I'll call a dishonest tactic when I see one.
Written like someone who learned to program with MS Visual Studio 6.
1. you probably won't find this, though it could happen
3. won't compile
6. won't compile
Don't worry, I think your code is safe from copying by anyone.
Thanks
Why not? Think about what you're saying for a minute. Perhaps if you quailified this stupid statement, e.g. "Moderm Consumer OS", or "Modern Commercial OS", you might make a little sense. Fedora is a community project, if you don't want to be part of the community, use some pre-shrunk or pre-installed Product. Don't be an asshat.
I think the situation is more like we've seen the messenger's history of messages, and based on that history, we'll make assumptions about the quality of her present message. This is completely legitimate. If you claim you don't do this, you're either a fool or a liar.
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Wow - I guess you're correct!
VC weenie: What's your business plan?
Darl McB: Pay people to switch from an OS we don't own to others we don't own.
VC weenie: Here's 5 million dollars - can I be on your board?