What's the worst that can happen? You will end up homeless? Believe me, the FUD isn't what it's made out to be. There are the share of nuts, vagrants, and criminals, but no moreso than you experience when you enter your local McDonald's.
Where's your sense of justice? If your employer is willing to sell you out and screw you over then, by all means, screw them back just as hard. The only way we're going to reach any sort of equilibrium in this battle is if we refuse to take the sticking from them without sticking it back.
Stand up for yourself. Have some self respect. Do not train your replacements. Let the company find out the hard way how difficult it is to replace trained and valuable employees. Let the company find out the hard way the lessons it needs to learn for mistreating its employees.
it doesn't make the activity legal Assuming that the copyright law itself is legal to begin with.
From the Constitution:
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries Current copyright law does nothing to protect authors and inventors from profiteers.
FUD. Nobody is going to starve to death. Hungry, maybe, and listening to kids crying because they're hungry can be trying on the patience--but nobody is going to starve to death.
Re:Read it! That was taken way out of context.
on
Google's Evil NDA
·
· Score: 1
Getting fired makes you eligible for unemployment benefits No. It doesn't.
In the proper context, can you define and describe a purely altruistic action? Yes. This is not the proper context.
Is a percentage of the rest of the group significant or not? No.
I have yet to see you exercise your mental faculties Your inflammatory rhetoric is highly juvenile.
The resentment is mutual You have much anger and pain which you brought to the table. My anger and pain was inspired by you. It is your problem.
More like 'oops, wrong person'. Not their fault they were given the wrong information. Ooops. Sorry about sending you to Guatanamo. We had the wrong info. No blood, no foul, right? No hard feelings? Just sign this release form.
Oh? Did you have a promising career all planned out just before this little mishap? Sorry about that. No blood, no foul, right? We're sure your home country will have some nice relief services for people who are down on their luck.
While I don't have a quote on hand I'm almost certain that GW Bush has often asserted that we will not back down from Iraq.
Maybe Thao was in league with someone who was file-sharing. Guilt by association is enough to start a war and kill thousands: why shouldn't it be good enough for the RIAA?
What's the worst that can happen? Everyone could benefit from spending a few years as a homeless person.
Re:And Yet... You Only Have Yourself to Blame
on
Google's Evil NDA
·
· Score: 1
If you are that far gone economically and have only a place like Google as your option left, you have far larger problems than just being homeless On the contrary--I have never had the opportunity to wait for a better job offer. When I graduated college there was one job offer on the table with a company which had about 200 employees. The offer came gift-wrapped with a blanket "we own your ass" employee agreement--though I wasn't actually presented with the agreement until the second day of work, after relocating, after signing on. I am currently homeless because I have made a conscious decision to no longer accept that standard, non-negotiable agreement as acceptable terms of employment.
Take mine - there are about 40 employees. My agreement covers work-related stuff only I do not know which professional sector you work in. In health care, mechanical engineering, military subcontractors, chemical engineering, and even in temp-to-placement agencies serving those industries, the "we own your ass" employment agreement is standard and non-negotiable. Recent reports suggest that, if you work in a computer science related industry and do not have this sort of heavy handed agreement, you are part of a lucky, and diminishing, population.
I have met people who have struggled with all manner of addictions and abuses. Deeper investigation of their individual situations has led me back to my original point. The root cause of their problems is not the abuse or addiction to a particular substance. Rather the root cause of their problems was initiated by lack of education, lack of drive, lack of motivation, and, most importantly, lack of financial resources. Quite often the social gossip which follows them has been more damaging, and isolating, than any self-inflicted addicted. Isolating the supposed addict only encourages them to turn more completely to their one perceived source of reward--yet that isolation is precisely what society effects once the authoritarians and gossips begin passing around their ignorant opinions. Since the authoritarians and the gossips are frequently the same people who control the distribution of financial resources (the largest contributing factor to the success or failure of an individual) they cause the perpetuation of the very problems which they purport to seek the conclusion of.
1. Can you define and describe a purely altruistic action? Within the original context of a large corporation in modern society I cannot describe a purely altruistic action because they do not exist. This explains the observation that no organization of more than ten people exists which hasn't been compromised by at least one person's greed and self-interest. Often the greed and self-interest works to create misery for the rest of the organization.
2. What percentage of the rest of the group is significant? The percentage of the rest of the group is itself insignificant. Even one person, carefully manipulating the flow of resources through the group, can milk the organization dry and even destroy it. We've seen examples of the destructive consequences of graft and corruption since the earliest historical records.
3. What's in it for you to answer me? I'm homeless and unemployed. My boredom is assuaged by engaging in a mental exercise.
I resent the inflammatory rhetoric with which you began your comment but, in the interest of altruism, I am not using inflammatory language in reply.
From personal experience I can tell you that people who stand up for a higher ethos are rarely given the opportunity for a next job unless they have preexisting superior social connections or are able to start their own company. I feel that, if a greater percentage of the population were to take a firm stand for a higher set of values, it is still possible to turn the ship around and set it on the right course. Doing so will very likely cause a considerable shakeup in both government and industry, though, and most people are not willing to take that kind of a chance.
In this respect our society is a disappointment. We only live once: why do so many people acquiesce to self-compromise just to satisfy neurological reward receptors for a few years?
The interpretation is obviously wrong since it has led to laws which do not serve the original purpose. I can't help that. The US government has been infiltrated and overtaken by profiteers. What else is new?
Re:Read it! That was taken way out of context.
on
Google's Evil NDA
·
· Score: 1
I've heard stories such as yours but I often think they're fiction. Nobody I know has ever gotten so much as a single change on an employment agreement. Corporations are well aware that their employees rely on their paychecks more than the company relies on a particular employee. Questions about the employment agreement have always been "no changes allowed. sign it or leave."
Leaving, of course, is always treated as being fired and never eligible for unemployment benefit.
Re:And Yet... You Only Have Yourself to Blame
on
Google's Evil NDA
·
· Score: 1
You've obviously never had to choose between the job offer (with NDA) and losing everything you have and becoming homeless. Maybe your family was more supportive or maybe you just got lucky.
There are a LOT of companies...that don't require more than a standard "don't give our trade secrets away" to work there Other than those people who come from families which are already wealthy, nobody I know wastes their money on a college education so that they can work in manual labor or minimum wage. Blanket "we own your ass" employment agreements have become the standard in every professional industry with a history longer than fifty years--and the IT industry is fast adopting the practices of its more venerable predecessors.
people can and do have their lives ruined by drug use You mean people can and do have their lives ruined by ignorant crowds of suspicion filled hatemongers?
I've never seen anyone's life ruined by drug use. Those whose lives were "ruined by drug use", most often, never had much of a life to begin with--and drug use was the least of the problems plaguing them. Lack of education, lack of drive, lack of motivation, and, most importantly, lack of financial resources has stranded more people in the backwaters of society than drug use ever has.
I have, on the other hand, seen reports of careers which have been ruined by gossip.
Is it the bridge between taxes and social programs? The really long one that runs between Washington DC and Wall Street? The one that passes by the mansions and estates of the investment bankers, energy tycoons, and federal politicians?
I agree with "don't bite the hand that feeds", but what if the same person is feeding you (poorly) with one hand and, with the other hand, waving people with better food away?
Kudos to the editor for not buckling to the financial conflict of interest.
Otherwise known as the authoritarian "We know what's good for you" push that's been going on since homo sapiens evolved into a society. The defining characteristic is at no other point in history has it been possible to tax the oppressed, automatically, and use their own labor against them.
Re:Jonestown: The Life and Death of Peoples Temple
on
Google's Evil NDA
·
· Score: 1
It's simple: If you can't leave, or if you attempt to leave and they think they're justified in going after you when your only "crime" is that you want to separate yourself from it, it is a cult Does that explain the animosity coming from my former employers after I left?
Re:Of course you can talk about it at interviews
on
Google's Evil NDA
·
· Score: 1
What rationalization do you use to trust my former employer? For the greater good of society, if my former employer was a coalition of modern day closet communists, shouldn't you expect me to ignore agreements that I had with them so that, as a social whole, we can weed out the bad and promote the good?
You cannot make anyone promise anything. A person willingly gives their allegiance or they do not. Signing a piece of paper does not guarantee allegiance any more than signing a bill of sale for the Brooklyn bridge guarantees that the seller actually owned it.
The questions that you ask are, in the real world, the very reason why security is so important. You cannot invite a hacker into your system and then ask them to promise not to tell anyone else about it. In today's world it has become common practice to enforce fraudulent laws and fraudulent agreements because no large corporation ever wants to admit that they made a serious mistake.
With the Declaration of Independence as background, though, it is clear that the authors of the Constitution were trying to avoid the overreaching and infinitesimal overregulation of the industry which existed in the British laws that they were trying to escape from.
To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries I see "authors and inventors". I do not see "copyright owners". In practice our current system of copyright is doing nothing to protect authors and inventors from profiteers.
Slashdot Mirror
What's the worst that can happen? You will end up homeless? Believe me, the FUD isn't what it's made out to be. There are the share of nuts, vagrants, and criminals, but no moreso than you experience when you enter your local McDonald's.
Where's your sense of justice? If your employer is willing to sell you out and screw you over then, by all means, screw them back just as hard. The only way we're going to reach any sort of equilibrium in this battle is if we refuse to take the sticking from them without sticking it back.
Stand up for yourself. Have some self respect. Do not train your replacements. Let the company find out the hard way how difficult it is to replace trained and valuable employees. Let the company find out the hard way the lessons it needs to learn for mistreating its employees.
From the Constitution: To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries Current copyright law does nothing to protect authors and inventors from profiteers.
Step 1: Create broken legislation
Step 2: Appeal to government funded institutions to provide free customer service
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!!!
These guys might know something about embedded Linux. The info page says uCLinux.
FUD. Nobody is going to starve to death. Hungry, maybe, and listening to kids crying because they're hungry can be trying on the patience--but nobody is going to starve to death.
Oh? Did you have a promising career all planned out just before this little mishap? Sorry about that. No blood, no foul, right? We're sure your home country will have some nice relief services for people who are down on their luck.
Have a nice day!
While I don't have a quote on hand I'm almost certain that GW Bush has often asserted that we will not back down from Iraq.
Maybe Thao was in league with someone who was file-sharing. Guilt by association is enough to start a war and kill thousands: why shouldn't it be good enough for the RIAA?
What's the worst that can happen? Everyone could benefit from spending a few years as a homeless person.
I have met people who have struggled with all manner of addictions and abuses. Deeper investigation of their individual situations has led me back to my original point. The root cause of their problems is not the abuse or addiction to a particular substance. Rather the root cause of their problems was initiated by lack of education, lack of drive, lack of motivation, and, most importantly, lack of financial resources. Quite often the social gossip which follows them has been more damaging, and isolating, than any self-inflicted addicted. Isolating the supposed addict only encourages them to turn more completely to their one perceived source of reward--yet that isolation is precisely what society effects once the authoritarians and gossips begin passing around their ignorant opinions. Since the authoritarians and the gossips are frequently the same people who control the distribution of financial resources (the largest contributing factor to the success or failure of an individual) they cause the perpetuation of the very problems which they purport to seek the conclusion of.
I resent the inflammatory rhetoric with which you began your comment but, in the interest of altruism, I am not using inflammatory language in reply.
From personal experience I can tell you that people who stand up for a higher ethos are rarely given the opportunity for a next job unless they have preexisting superior social connections or are able to start their own company. I feel that, if a greater percentage of the population were to take a firm stand for a higher set of values, it is still possible to turn the ship around and set it on the right course. Doing so will very likely cause a considerable shakeup in both government and industry, though, and most people are not willing to take that kind of a chance.
In this respect our society is a disappointment. We only live once: why do so many people acquiesce to self-compromise just to satisfy neurological reward receptors for a few years?
The interpretation is obviously wrong since it has led to laws which do not serve the original purpose. I can't help that. The US government has been infiltrated and overtaken by profiteers. What else is new?
I've heard stories such as yours but I often think they're fiction. Nobody I know has ever gotten so much as a single change on an employment agreement. Corporations are well aware that their employees rely on their paychecks more than the company relies on a particular employee. Questions about the employment agreement have always been "no changes allowed. sign it or leave."
Leaving, of course, is always treated as being fired and never eligible for unemployment benefit.
I've never seen anyone's life ruined by drug use. Those whose lives were "ruined by drug use", most often, never had much of a life to begin with--and drug use was the least of the problems plaguing them. Lack of education, lack of drive, lack of motivation, and, most importantly, lack of financial resources has stranded more people in the backwaters of society than drug use ever has.
I have, on the other hand, seen reports of careers which have been ruined by gossip.
Is it the bridge between taxes and social programs? The really long one that runs between Washington DC and Wall Street? The one that passes by the mansions and estates of the investment bankers, energy tycoons, and federal politicians?
I agree with "don't bite the hand that feeds", but what if the same person is feeding you (poorly) with one hand and, with the other hand, waving people with better food away?
Kudos to the editor for not buckling to the financial conflict of interest.
Otherwise known as the authoritarian "We know what's good for you" push that's been going on since homo sapiens evolved into a society. The defining characteristic is at no other point in history has it been possible to tax the oppressed, automatically, and use their own labor against them.
What rationalization do you use to trust my former employer? For the greater good of society, if my former employer was a coalition of modern day closet communists, shouldn't you expect me to ignore agreements that I had with them so that, as a social whole, we can weed out the bad and promote the good?
You cannot make anyone promise anything. A person willingly gives their allegiance or they do not. Signing a piece of paper does not guarantee allegiance any more than signing a bill of sale for the Brooklyn bridge guarantees that the seller actually owned it.
The questions that you ask are, in the real world, the very reason why security is so important. You cannot invite a hacker into your system and then ask them to promise not to tell anyone else about it. In today's world it has become common practice to enforce fraudulent laws and fraudulent agreements because no large corporation ever wants to admit that they made a serious mistake.