Whoa, wait a minute...are you insinuating that there are no active marijuana activist groups that are politically active?
That's almost as ignorant as saying pot is as dangerous as cocaine.
Obviously, NORML and MPP are the two biggest...but there are literally HUNDREDS of them. Spend a couple minutes with some searches on Google...what you find will surprise you.
Don't forget to tighten up the coolant filter. Oh, and naturally you remembered the Loctite for the gas cap! I mean...we wouldn't want it coming loose while driving, now would we?
We need more complaining, not less. By using silverlight netflix has screwed over their customers. Unless we complain, no lesson will be learned. If you don't want silverlight crammed down your throat, get out and complain!
Netflix streams just fine on my Windows XP box, my 360, my PS3, and soon my Wii...if I had a Roku or any number of Blu-Ray players or TVs designed for it, those would stream Netflix just fine as well. All of this is done at ZERO additional cost to my Netflix subscription, despite the substantial additional cost for Netflix to run the service and pay the licensing fees. What do I have to complain about? That I can't stream Netflix on my Dell Mini 9 or HTPC because they have Ubuntu 9.10 installed? That Netflix is providing me additional services at no additional cost? Oh noes...big deal.
We highly enjoy the service they provide, so we give them our money. If you don't like the service they provide, then don't give them your money.
Sounds like someone needs to call the waaaaaaaaambulance.
The vast majority of the time, I would agree with you...but in this instance, considering the majority of Netflix's streaming services used Silverlight when Netflix Streaming arrived on the 360, this didn't suprise me at all.
Not saying it's right, just saying I understand why it happend in this case.
What he says is FUD. The reason he says that entire thing is to try and confuse people out of the real issue. Of course reencoding the entire library would be cost prohibitive and expensive. Of course doing it that way would annoy the rest of the population. Of course, that is not the way that captions are done, so his entire point is moot.
Did you ever stop to consider he may have been addressing an issue raised by multiple people that don't have an understand about the technology the way you do? Netflix has literally millions of subscribers...they aren't all geeks, you know.
If the captions were encoded along with the video stream, then they would be subject to compression artifacts and buffering issues and all sorts of other problems. No other captioning technology works that way. You simply read the time encoded text file and display the text on the screen at the appropriate time in the movie. It's easy, most everyone does it.
And most everyone doesn't have to get it to work on multiple devices that use different delivery methods.
He hasn't found the technology available for what he describes because that's not the way it's done. If he doesn't know that, it's because he hasn't researched the issue beyond a 5 minute conversation with someone who has.
So, adding the text to a secondary stream, overlaying it onto the video stream, and giving the user an option to turn it on or off isn't how it's done?
In the tech demo SDK for silverlight there is an example for placing text on top of video. I don't need to submit any grand idea to them. Netflix is not an Open Source company, and as such is not looking for code submissions.
If it really were that simple, why do you think they haven't done it then? There is obviously a demand for it, and I wouldn't be surprised if some people dont use Netflix because of this very reason. Come on, the way you are talking about it you are making it sound like they are deliberately NOT doing it.
I'm sure they have more pressing things to attend to than ignoring potential new customers on purpose. That's what the kids call "bat-shit crazy".
As stated above, most Netflix streaming content is in standard def still. They are adding more HD content on a regular basis, but the amount of HD content is still miniscule compared to the amount of SD content they offer for streaming.
Gee thanks. It's not like I haven't already researched the issue.
No need to be sarcastic or rude, I was just trying to help.
If you read that post, it's a bunch of nonsense gobbleygook and FUD that works out to, we don't want to do it.
I did read the post, and that is not at all what it sounds like. It sounds like they have to figure out a way to overlay a secondary stream on top of the video stream. Obviously, you seem think this is easy to accomplish, so why don't you contact them and tell them how to do it?
He says they would have to reencode the entire library with subtitles enabled in order to stream the captions. This is of course BS because the captions are not video data and do not need to be encoded.
That is the exact opposite> of what he says. He says that reencoding the entire library would be time and cost prohibitive, as well as angering a lot of non-hearing-impaired english speakers. As a result, they are working on laying a secondary stream that contains only the subtitles over the video stream. He also says that they looked around for existing tech to do this, and found nothing.
Did you even read it, or did you just skim over it because you are pissed off?
He says that they are developing special display technology that would display the text as a separate stream in silverlight. Again FUD, I have written programs that display text in silverlight. It's quite easy, as you would expect.
As I said, if you already have the answer, why not stop bitching and contact them with the solution so they can implement it faster?
The data for all of the captions for a movie is usually around 100 KB and is freely available for use on nearly every dvd.
See above comments about submitting your idea.
The bottom line is that they do not care to have their programmers waste even 10 minutes on the Deaf community
The bottom line is that unless they release something RIGHT NOW, you are going to be pissed off. Calm down, read and understand what is written, and stop with the knee-jerk reaction.
They are going to give you what you want, and likely at no additional cost to you. Either submit your grand idea to them or stop complaining.
Looking forward to this, it will mean we will have Netflix streaming on all floors in our townhouse (PCs upstairs, 360/PS3 in the living room, Wii in the basement).
You may not get Netflix up there, but you DO get Showcase, which means you get to watch the new Pure Pwnage series without having to sulk around the Internet to find a mirror:/
I would say because the bulk of what Netflix currently streams is only available in standard-def anyways...the amount of HD content they stream grows on a regular basis, but it is still a small percentage of their overall offerings.
To add to this, it's also possible that since Silverlight is currently used for streaming except to the PS3, there is a technology issue. Streaming to PS3's currently uses the BD-Live protocol, hence the need for a disc. Once either the exclusivity deal runs out or they implement a different streaming solution for the PS3, the disc will be no longer needed.
I hate the four-letter words you mentioned as much as the next guy, but they aren't the cause of everything.
I think the only tv/entertainment laws you can push on Seinfeld are its own. What works for other shows would never have worked for Seinfeld, and vice versa.
I don't mean this as an insult...it's just that people calling visuals in movies "graphics" irks me the same way as people who say PIN Number, or ATM Machine...it just isn't right.
No offense to your (extremely impressive) low user ID, but the fact that you refer to visuals as "graphics" in a movie pretty much negates anything you have to say on the subject.
Ah yes, the sand "man"...how could I have forgotten?
Seriously GP, Spider Man 3 was just a big pile of crap. Considering how decent Spider Man 1 and 2 were, this was a bit suprising. They should have cut out all the crying bullshit, given Venom more screentime, gotten rid of sandman-man, and included Carnage.
I think the fact that your post got modded Flamebait should give you a clue about the answer.
As for myself, I think Spider Man 3 sucked on many levels and for many different reasons (not giving Venom enough screentime and Peter Parker crying like a bitch for half of it certainly didn't help.)
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Whoa, wait a minute...are you insinuating that there are no active marijuana activist groups that are politically active?
That's almost as ignorant as saying pot is as dangerous as cocaine.
Obviously, NORML and MPP are the two biggest...but there are literally HUNDREDS of them. Spend a couple minutes with some searches on Google...what you find will surprise you.
Dude. That was awesome :-)
Don't forget to tighten up the coolant filter. Oh, and naturally you remembered the Loctite for the gas cap! I mean...we wouldn't want it coming loose while driving, now would we?
Why, the same way you would use it to check your blinker fluid level!
We need more complaining, not less. By using silverlight netflix has screwed over their customers. Unless we complain, no lesson will be learned. If you don't want silverlight crammed down your throat, get out and complain!
Netflix streams just fine on my Windows XP box, my 360, my PS3, and soon my Wii...if I had a Roku or any number of Blu-Ray players or TVs designed for it, those would stream Netflix just fine as well. All of this is done at ZERO additional cost to my Netflix subscription, despite the substantial additional cost for Netflix to run the service and pay the licensing fees. What do I have to complain about? That I can't stream Netflix on my Dell Mini 9 or HTPC because they have Ubuntu 9.10 installed? That Netflix is providing me additional services at no additional cost? Oh noes...big deal.
We highly enjoy the service they provide, so we give them our money. If you don't like the service they provide, then don't give them your money.
Sounds like someone needs to call the waaaaaaaaambulance.
The vast majority of the time, I would agree with you...but in this instance, considering the majority of Netflix's streaming services used Silverlight when Netflix Streaming arrived on the 360, this didn't suprise me at all.
Not saying it's right, just saying I understand why it happend in this case.
What he says is FUD. The reason he says that entire thing is to try and confuse people out of the real issue. Of course reencoding the entire library would be cost prohibitive and expensive. Of course doing it that way would annoy the rest of the population. Of course, that is not the way that captions are done, so his entire point is moot.
Did you ever stop to consider he may have been addressing an issue raised by multiple people that don't have an understand about the technology the way you do? Netflix has literally millions of subscribers...they aren't all geeks, you know.
If the captions were encoded along with the video stream, then they would be subject to compression artifacts and buffering issues and all sorts of other problems. No other captioning technology works that way. You simply read the time encoded text file and display the text on the screen at the appropriate time in the movie. It's easy, most everyone does it.
And most everyone doesn't have to get it to work on multiple devices that use different delivery methods.
He hasn't found the technology available for what he describes because that's not the way it's done. If he doesn't know that, it's because he hasn't researched the issue beyond a 5 minute conversation with someone who has.
So, adding the text to a secondary stream, overlaying it onto the video stream, and giving the user an option to turn it on or off isn't how it's done?
In the tech demo SDK for silverlight there is an example for placing text on top of video. I don't need to submit any grand idea to them. Netflix is not an Open Source company, and as such is not looking for code submissions.
If it really were that simple, why do you think they haven't done it then? There is obviously a demand for it, and I wouldn't be surprised if some people dont use Netflix because of this very reason. Come on, the way you are talking about it you are making it sound like they are deliberately NOT doing it.
I'm sure they have more pressing things to attend to than ignoring potential new customers on purpose. That's what the kids call "bat-shit crazy".
As stated above, most Netflix streaming content is in standard def still. They are adding more HD content on a regular basis, but the amount of HD content is still miniscule compared to the amount of SD content they offer for streaming.
Gee thanks. It's not like I haven't already researched the issue.
No need to be sarcastic or rude, I was just trying to help.
If you read that post, it's a bunch of nonsense gobbleygook and FUD that works out to, we don't want to do it.
I did read the post, and that is not at all what it sounds like. It sounds like they have to figure out a way to overlay a secondary stream on top of the video stream. Obviously, you seem think this is easy to accomplish, so why don't you contact them and tell them how to do it?
He says they would have to reencode the entire library with subtitles enabled in order to stream the captions. This is of course BS because the captions are not video data and do not need to be encoded.
That is the exact opposite> of what he says. He says that reencoding the entire library would be time and cost prohibitive, as well as angering a lot of non-hearing-impaired english speakers. As a result, they are working on laying a secondary stream that contains only the subtitles over the video stream. He also says that they looked around for existing tech to do this, and found nothing.
Did you even read it, or did you just skim over it because you are pissed off?
He says that they are developing special display technology that would display the text as a separate stream in silverlight. Again FUD, I have written programs that display text in silverlight. It's quite easy, as you would expect.
As I said, if you already have the answer, why not stop bitching and contact them with the solution so they can implement it faster?
The data for all of the captions for a movie is usually around 100 KB and is freely available for use on nearly every dvd.
See above comments about submitting your idea.
The bottom line is that they do not care to have their programmers waste even 10 minutes on the Deaf community
The bottom line is that unless they release something RIGHT NOW, you are going to be pissed off. Calm down, read and understand what is written, and stop with the knee-jerk reaction.
They are going to give you what you want, and likely at no additional cost to you. Either submit your grand idea to them or stop complaining.
Actually, the PS3 currently uses BD-Live to stream Netflix, but other than that I fully agree with what you say.
Looking forward to this, it will mean we will have Netflix streaming on all floors in our townhouse (PCs upstairs, 360/PS3 in the living room, Wii in the basement).
You may not get Netflix up there, but you DO get Showcase, which means you get to watch the new Pure Pwnage series without having to sulk around the Internet to find a mirror :/
I would say because the bulk of what Netflix currently streams is only available in standard-def anyways...the amount of HD content they stream grows on a regular basis, but it is still a small percentage of their overall offerings.
Wrong.
From a previous post of mine: "Microsoft has an exclusivity deal with Netflix for the time being. Either due to technical or legal reasons, requiring the disc is a way to get around this. Considering Sony has already said the required disc is temporary, this implies the exclusivity deal is nearing its end. This also implies any disc required for the Wii would be temporary as well."
To add to this, it's also possible that since Silverlight is currently used for streaming except to the PS3, there is a technology issue. Streaming to PS3's currently uses the BD-Live protocol, hence the need for a disc. Once either the exclusivity deal runs out or they implement a different streaming solution for the PS3, the disc will be no longer needed.
I hate the four-letter words you mentioned as much as the next guy, but they aren't the cause of everything.
I Googled "why no captions netflix streaming". Here is the very first entry listed in the results:
http://blog.netflix.com/2009/06/closed-captions-and-subtitles.html
You're welcome :-)
...Microsoft has an exclusivity deal with Netflix for the time being. Either due to technical or legal reasons, requiring the disc is a way to get around this. Considering Sony has already said the required disc is temporary, this implies the exclusivity deal is nearing its end. This also implies any disc required for the Wii would be temporary as well.
Calm down people. Jeebus.
Agreed.
I think the only tv/entertainment laws you can push on Seinfeld are its own. What works for other shows would never have worked for Seinfeld, and vice versa.
It took verifying it from four different sources before I believed that number...I was figuring it was at least in the 90/100 million range. Insanity.
The Blu-Ray transfer is also one of the best I've ever seen.
AUGH! ::asplodes from his own contradiction::
Honestly, I don't care, lol.
You have to admit though...District 9, on its own, definitely looks like it cost far more than $30 million to make.
No! I forbid it!
Ground is outside, floor is inside...ATM machine means Automated Teller Machine Machine...and effects in movies are "effects", not "graphics"!
Rawr!
Thought I should come back and clarify:
I don't mean this as an insult...it's just that people calling visuals in movies "graphics" irks me the same way as people who say PIN Number, or ATM Machine...it just isn't right.
No offense to your (extremely impressive) low user ID, but the fact that you refer to visuals as "graphics" in a movie pretty much negates anything you have to say on the subject.
Eh...on its own, X-Men 3 was ok, but when compared to the first two, it was by far the weakest of the trilogy.
I like it...the story and style is reminiscent of Bone. Good, good stuff.
Ah yes, the sand "man"...how could I have forgotten?
Seriously GP, Spider Man 3 was just a big pile of crap. Considering how decent Spider Man 1 and 2 were, this was a bit suprising. They should have cut out all the crying bullshit, given Venom more screentime, gotten rid of sandman-man, and included Carnage.
Now THAT could have been crazy.
I think the fact that your post got modded Flamebait should give you a clue about the answer.
As for myself, I think Spider Man 3 sucked on many levels and for many different reasons (not giving Venom enough screentime and Peter Parker crying like a bitch for half of it certainly didn't help.)