I had say they probably can't enforce this kind of nonsense. Considering at least 10 thousand companies using this technique in their code. Are they gonna sue all 10 thousand? If they do someone is going to notice something is just NOT right. If they don't they will probably get sued for being biased.
Trademark? Copyright? Hey you twit companies listen up: QuickTime Excel Word Paperclip ICQ Windows 95/98/NT OS/2 Powerpoint Athlon Coppermine Celeron Xeon Winzip My Ass... Sue me? Why not some fool patent the word "a" or the letter "e". And employ half of the world's population to monitor the other half of the world for what they say.
you bet, someday when Microsoft gets bored of bugging software, they will. What is wrong with all these companies? Techniques like these I'm sure most people can think of while sleeping. So what are they gonna do? Sue the world? All the companies that rely on senseless patents are forcing inventors to patent their work, before someone else patent it for them. Thus we see a cycle where everyone patents everything. I long for the day someone twit patent speech.
Gawd, reminds me how junked PCs are. Maybe someday prices of workstations will reach our grasp:P Then we can observe the real power of computers, not some silly gaming machine.
I see lots of people now despising Slackware just because Patrick increase the version big time from 4 to 7. But hey everything has to have a reason. So I quote this post by Patrick himself from the slackware.com forum:
===== Author: Patrick J. Volkerding Date: 10-10-1999 21:43
I've stayed out of this for now, but I do think I should lend a little justification to the version number thing.
First off, I think I forgot to count some time ago. If I'd started on 6.0 and made every release a major version (I think that's how Linux releases are made these days, right?;), we would be on Slackware 47 by now. (it would actually be in the 20s somewhere if we'd gone 1, 2, 3...)
I think it's clear that some other distributions inflated their version numbers for marketing purposes, and I've had to field (way too many times) the question "why isn't yours 6.x" or worse "when will you upgrade to Linux 6.0" which really drives home the effectiveness of this simple trick. With the move to glibc and nearly everyone else using 6.x now, it made sense to go to at least 6.0, just to make it clear to people who don't know anything about Linux that Slackware's libraries, compilers, and other stuff are not 3 major versions behind. I thought they'd all be using 7.0 by now, but no matter. We're at least "one better", right?:)
Sorry if I haven't been enough of a purist about this. I promise I won't inflate the version number again (unless everyone else does again;)
Pat ====
Meaning? We are seeing more sad people who have been dumb down by other brain dead over commercialised distributions. Not that they should not commercialise, but they are overdoing it.
Hey as some have mentioned above no hacking was done! Look at the new Slackware site. It got a refreshing new look, but I actualy prefer the previous black background. White background gives me a headache with all the glare.
Regarding the IIS pages, did Patrick and friends actually bought NT and fooled around with it for this page? Or they just rip it off a NT hosted site elsewhere? Anyway nice joke.
Heck I think this "hacked Slackware.com" is probably a joke. At the time of writing Attrition.org's Mirror Index says 10-28 for the newest entry, whereelse URL in the post above says 10-29.
Could be Attrition.org noticed this weird change and is trying to mirror it, and IIS kinda supply a default page for them first.
Serious? From what I see on attrition.org they supposedly "hacker" replaced their site with a IIS page. Now which no brainer hacker would support Microsoft by replacing a hacked site with their stuff? And furthermore he replaced not just the default first one page, but even all the link pages!! Anyone figured this out?? Could be true with the stupid dinner notice now up there...
Hey agreed! I've tried Caldera, Debian and Slackware. And I still prefer Slackware due to it minimalist design. It doesn't pretend to be user friendly and do stupid things you don't want it to do. Debian's dselect package installation was a little pain but otherwise, the vast programs available rules.
Worst of all Redhat and Caldera like distributions are gradually stripping away those items hardcore users have grown so fond to, and leave us with just the GUI install and maintainence.
No I'm not against Caldera and any other GUI user friendly distributions, just that they should keep the "hardcore user" option available and not try to hide things from the user.
Could Microsoft be having some tricks up it's sleeves yet again? By allowing direct and easy porting of closed-source Windows program over to Linux, it is introducting more and more close-source influence in Linux, and open-sourced in particular. These programs already have a good fame coming from users in Windows, so they are going to sell good under Linux. More and more Linux users migrate over to these closed-source programs, and BINGO! Open-source development and usership under Linux dies down. Nobody no longer sees it worthwhile to develope under open-source as real good alternatives now exist under this porting layer.
Microsoft probably considers open-source to be a big competitior, and headache. To stamp out competition, as it always does when it can't handle that tweeeeeny bit of competition, the application world returns to the closed-source high price licensing nonsense.
Maybe Microsoft can start learning how to handle competition without resorting to low-down tactics such as buying the new company over, or introducing FUD? We could start by providing EXORBITANT psychiatric session for Bill Gates and fellow colleagues?
Slashdot Mirror
Ah.. prove that their legal department is high on crack. Did they bother to look up a couple pieces of popular software out there?
:P
Maybe they are trying to sue Microsoft
I had say they probably can't enforce this kind of nonsense. Considering at least 10 thousand companies using this technique in their code. Are they gonna sue all 10 thousand? If they do someone is going to notice something is just NOT right. If they don't they will probably get sued for being biased.
Just a bunch of no-nut low IQ workers.
Trademark? Copyright? Hey you twit companies listen up: QuickTime Excel Word Paperclip ICQ Windows 95/98/NT OS/2 Powerpoint Athlon Coppermine Celeron Xeon Winzip My Ass ... Sue me? Why not some fool patent the word "a" or the letter "e". And employ half of the world's population to monitor the other half of the world for what they say.
you bet, someday when Microsoft gets bored of bugging software, they will. What is wrong with all these companies? Techniques like these I'm sure most people can think of while sleeping. So what are they gonna do? Sue the world? All the companies that rely on senseless patents are forcing inventors to patent their work, before someone else patent it for them. Thus we see a cycle where everyone patents everything. I long for the day someone twit patent speech.
Gawd, reminds me how junked PCs are. Maybe someday prices of workstations will reach our grasp :P Then we can observe the real power of computers, not some silly gaming machine.
Well... We trust most open-source programs because we trust the authors. But there is this little thingie called obfuscated code
a=1;a++;b=2;c=b-a;c=c+a;a--;b=b-a;c=a;
delete file no. a;
Of course with the vast number of initial users, someone is bound to figure out what the code is hiding.
Just curious how long did the cracking process take?
I see lots of people now despising Slackware just because Patrick increase the version big time from 4 to 7. But hey everything has to have a reason. So I quote this post by Patrick himself from the slackware.com forum:
;), we would be on Slackware 47 by now. (it would actually be in the 20s somewhere if we'd gone 1, 2, 3...)
:)
;)
=====
Author: Patrick J. Volkerding
Date: 10-10-1999 21:43
I've stayed out of this for now, but I do think I should lend a little justification to the version number thing.
First off, I think I forgot to count some time ago. If I'd started on 6.0 and made every release a major version (I think that's how Linux releases are made these days, right?
I think it's clear that some other distributions inflated their version numbers for marketing purposes, and I've had to field (way too many times) the question "why isn't yours 6.x" or worse "when will you upgrade to Linux 6.0" which really drives home the effectiveness of this simple trick. With the move to glibc and nearly everyone else using 6.x now, it made sense to go to at least 6.0, just to make it clear to people who don't know anything about Linux that Slackware's libraries, compilers, and other stuff are not 3 major versions behind. I thought they'd all be using 7.0 by now, but no matter. We're at least "one better", right?
Sorry if I haven't been enough of a purist about this. I promise I won't inflate the version number again (unless everyone else does again
Pat
====
Meaning? We are seeing more sad people who have been dumb down by other brain dead over commercialised distributions. Not that they should not commercialise, but they are overdoing it.
look at the ftp.cdrom.com site. There is an ISO image for Slackware 7
Hey as some have mentioned above no hacking was done! Look at the new Slackware site . It got a refreshing new look, but I actualy prefer the previous black background. White background gives me a headache with all the glare.
Regarding the IIS pages, did Patrick and friends actually bought NT and fooled around with it for this page? Or they just rip it off a NT hosted site elsewhere? Anyway nice joke.
Heck I think this "hacked Slackware.com" is probably a joke. At the time of writing Attrition.org's Mirror Index says 10-28 for the newest entry, whereelse URL in the post above says 10-29.
Could be Attrition.org noticed this weird change and is trying to mirror it, and IIS kinda supply a default page for them first.
Shrugs
Serious? From what I see on attrition.org they supposedly "hacker" replaced their site with a IIS page. Now which no brainer hacker would support Microsoft by replacing a hacked site with their stuff? And furthermore he replaced not just the default first one page, but even all the link pages!! Anyone figured this out?? Could be true with the stupid dinner notice now up there...
Hey agreed! I've tried Caldera, Debian and Slackware. And I still prefer Slackware due to it minimalist design. It doesn't pretend to be user friendly and do stupid things you don't want it to do. Debian's dselect package installation was a little pain but otherwise, the vast programs available rules.
Worst of all Redhat and Caldera like distributions are gradually stripping away those items hardcore users have grown so fond to, and leave us with just the GUI install and maintainence.
No I'm not against Caldera and any other GUI user friendly distributions, just that they should keep the "hardcore user" option available and not try to hide things from the user.
Could Microsoft be having some tricks up it's sleeves yet again? By allowing direct and easy porting of closed-source Windows program over to Linux, it is introducting more and more close-source influence in Linux, and open-sourced in particular. These programs already have a good fame coming from users in Windows, so they are going to sell good under Linux. More and more Linux users migrate over to these closed-source programs, and BINGO! Open-source development and usership under Linux dies down. Nobody no longer sees it worthwhile to develope under open-source as real good alternatives now exist under this porting layer.
Microsoft probably considers open-source to be a big competitior, and headache. To stamp out competition, as it always does when it can't handle that tweeeeeny bit of competition, the application world returns to the closed-source high price licensing nonsense.
Maybe Microsoft can start learning how to handle competition without resorting to low-down tactics such as buying the new company over, or introducing FUD? We could start by providing EXORBITANT psychiatric session for Bill Gates and fellow colleagues?